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Have the opportunity to share my htc touch pro 2 with a toshiba tg01.
I have heard the battery performance is poor, and is the most important thing is a long music playback..
So, how long can the toshiba?
2 days if very light use, 1 day or less if your making a lot of calls and using wireless etc, there are 3rd party batteries by Mugen that can extend battery life massively
Should you buy a TG01? As a owner of a Tg01, and having just paid to get it unlocked, i think you are better off looking elsewhere, this is because Toshiba offer terrible customer support, zero useful software updates for their products, zero fixes for known issues, terrible battery life, and the fact there are better, albeit more expensive options, like say, the HTC HD2
As a TP2 and TG01 owner I tend to agree.
The TG01 has a beautiful screen and is super-fast, but it has too many flaws to recommend. Poor battery life and terrible in-call quality being the main ones.
Loconinja said:
As a TP2 and TG01 owner I tend to agree.
The TG01 has a beautiful screen and is super-fast, but it has too many flaws to recommend. Poor battery life and terrible in-call quality being the main ones.
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for battery life , i expected much worse tbh ... my tg01 holds out only about 10-20% less than my xperia x1* i had despite the double screen and cpu witch really gets stuff done faster so u can put da fone to rest earlier
(*x1 has 1500mah battery , also got a 1800mah cuz it wasnt enuff)
but would i recommend it generally , no i wouldnt , and i wouldnt recommend any winmo phones to anyone unless they already had one in the past and know what kind of bug fest theyre looking into
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i wouldnt recommend any winmo phones to anyone unless they already had one in the past and know what kind of bug fest theyre looking into
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Well said
Agree no more Toshiba..
Try anything else without TG01: you have Iphone, Htc and a lot of support for them.
But let us not forget the price peoples!
It seems that I'm the only person that would recommend buying the TG01.
In my opinion, you get a good phone for the money you pay (should be around 200 till 250 Euro max.).
You get a phone with a big screen and a good touchscreen (yes I think it's sensitive enough). You get Wi-Fi and GPS.
What more do you want to a price that is that low at the moment?
And if cedesmith suceeds with the project TG01 going to WM6.5.3 then the TG01 will even have less bugs.
In my opinion it's worth a try.
Maybe the battery is a little bit to weak, but for me that's not a problem. The battery remains two days for me...again...enough for me
I only hope, that our TG01 community gets bigger. The phone is worth it.
If you get a good offer, you should buy it I think.
Best regards,
DunkDream
Nikwalter said:
Have the opportunity to share my htc touch pro 2 with a toshiba tg01.
I have heard the battery performance is poor, and is the most important thing is a long music playback..
So, how long can the toshiba?
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Personally, I would highly recommend the TG01 for the use you appear to be wanting. It has excellent audio performance and with a Mugen 1.1 AH battery will happily last a full day commuting including maybe 3-4 hours use as a music player.
There is a discussion on MoDaCo about the audio side of things here which may be of interest.
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Personally, I would highly recommend the TG01 for the use you appear to be wanting. It has excellent audio performance and with a Mugen 1.1 AH battery will happily last a full day commuting including maybe 3-4 hours use as a music player.
There is a discussion on MoDaCo about the audio side of things here which may be of interest.
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After 9 months with it, this device exceeds my expectations. I'm a smartphone user since 2005, (My first one was a primitive Palm Treo 270 and some Windows devices after it) and this is the best device never tested. But you must understand that a Windows device is not easy to manage.(and they never will be if Mr. Gates boys doesn't change it....)
It's true that the TG01 hasstill some unsolved problems, as most of new devices in their first age. It's also true that Toshiba is absolutelly useless in giving support to the TG01
Pros:
-Thickness
-Great screen
-Best device for the money that you pay
-The best Video player never seen . You can play mostly everything on it and with the best benchmark values in the market.
-Great Sound Quality. With SRS Wow it's a dream.
-Host USB!!!!!! You can use USB keyboards, game pads, mouse, bar code, hdu, pen drive, .... Remind: HTC can't do it!!
Cons:
(Design)
-Too small battery
-No separated headphones connector
-You can't charge it and connect USB at the same time
-Stupid SD position. You must disconnect the battery to change it
-No TV Out
(Software)
-Call quality (sometimes)
-Sometimes freezes a bit (as other WM devices)
-Stupid Toshiba's limitations when talking, when battery it's under 20%...
-Still no software for movement sensor
I think that if you have a good opportunity, you must take advantage of it. And if at the end you don't like it, you can always sell it on Ebay for instance.
I wonder if these lines will be useful for you . Tell us about your last decision!
Cheers
wait for tgo2 ot ko1
Hey thanx.. I get the message that the xperia x10 is aviable in 2 weeks..
TG01 or TP2
Talking from Experience, TP2 is the better phone, my cousin owns the TP2 which I have played around with a lot and I own a TG01.
TP2 is an all in one complete solution.
TG01 is very nice, but HTC Touch Sense Pro is just too good. And unless you know much about Manila, I wouldn't look at a TG01.
I used to have WM phones before (x220, SE X1), so let's say I know the basics. After a year of struggle with Android (Desire, SE X10), I'm back to where I feel at home; WM. But this time with a brand new HD2 (German T-mobile had them on stock at a very nice price). I already flashed a custom rom (Basic Energy 29.... C2.0) without any problems. I like the speed and the looks, but I am disappointed with battery life. So now I'm at trying tweaks. And here I feel a bit stuck. Apparently I forgot things.
So here are the questions;
What is the expected average battery life on HD2 on idle with all wireless connections, except GSM, turned off, and with all auto update things turned off also? (it is understandable that there is no fix value here. I'd like to hear few thoughts and experiences on this)
Is there a custom ROM that is generally known as a battery saver?
Is there some kind of a (virtual) map to show which radio is best for which region? (Croatia for instance)
Is there a specific radio which is gentle on the battery?
Is there an application to show what is (Cell, Display, Wi-Fi, CPU...) draining the battery in % like "Battery Use" on Android?
Is there an application like CPU Spy on Android?
In the tweaks, somebody mentioned the term "find battery saving wallpaper". What is this? I couldn't find it anywhere on the forum.
Is there a CPU managment application to manage (downclock) the CPU manualyl or automatically?
Is there an application similar to the Gesture search in Android (the only besides the implemented Battery Use and CPU Spy, that I miss form the Android)?
Is there a custom camera with less artificial noise reduction (I find it to be way too excessive)?
Is there a way to fit excellent X1 in ear earphones properly on the HD2. THe stoch HD2 heaphones are awful like on Desire too, and I still have those X1 earphones. The porblem is, the sound is skewed if I don't hold the answer button constantly pressed on the earphone's handsfree, so I used some tape and fixed it. However this way, I cannot use the handsfree. Can this somehow be adjusted?
Why do some part of the UI and some parts of apps look like they are scaled up to WVGA? This wasn't so on SE X1.
These are only the questions from the 36hours of use, so there could be more.
I did try to search and read about it before asking, but I couldn't find answers so fast, as the HD2 threads are really massive.
Thank you!
1... a day, day N a half.
2 ...not to my knowledge
3 ... no, what works for one wont necessarily work for the next.
4... not really, the latest supposedly has better power management, but I've not seen any evidence of that, PLUS the reception / stability is shocking on that radio, at least for me. Ask ten people you will get 8 different answers.
I'm thinking of buying a GS2 and was curious when I read the review below on Amazon. In particular, the comments in points 1 and 3 regarding CPU/battery usage are a little worrying. Does anyone here agree/disagree with this?
**** 8 WEEK UPDATE ****
Having had this phone for two months now I thought I'd update this. There are several things now about Android and the GS2 in general that are now apparent to me and may be deal-breakers for some of you, though it should be noted that most of these are applicable to all Android phones, and not just the GS2:
1. If you use your phone as your primary music player (e.g. like an iPod) then this is NOT the phone for you - it (as far as I can determine) has no dedicated hardware to decode audio and so it uses a lot of CPU power to play music. The phone will get very hot in your pocket from the CPU heat and within 4 hours the battery will be completely dead. This turned out to be a deal breaker for me as I use my phone extensively for music playback, and the iPhone is still the only phone I know of that gives 40 hours playback.
2. Gapless audio playback is not supported by Android, though some players buffer the next track to simulate the feature (e.g. PowerAmp) if you're willing to pay for them. Gapless playback may be supported in future Android versions, though I don't know how or when one could find out exactly what version of Android will support it.
3. There is a very common bug in the GS2 whereby an application called 'Wifi Sharing' will randomly start itself in the background and consume a huge amount of CPU power (doing nothing) and drain your battery SEVERELY. Your battery will be dead in 6 hours if you don't 'force close' the application. The only solution at the moment if you have this problem is to install something like WatchDog Lite and set up an 'alert' to warn you when Wifi Sharing starts to overtake your CPU so that you can 'force close' it.
4. For all of Android's beauty and the Touchwiz inteface Samsung has put on top of it, I've become aware of some quirks of Android, especially relating to the (VERY) inconsistent use of the menu button. Many applications use this button differently (or not at all), showing different menu items on this button depending on what screen/section you are in on the application. It's definitely not intuitive in this regard compared to iOS, though some applications do use it appropriately and in a logical manner. On the other hand, the 'back' button is fantastic and I think Apple should employ one in their phones, too.
5. Screen burn-in. I've not seen many posts about this around the intertubes, but there is what can only be described as burn-in visible on the notification/status bar of the phone when you are using an application that hides the bar (e.g. having a white section where the status bar would otherwise be displayed). It looks exactly the same as burn-in looks on a plasma television; a slightly dark/grey area where the reception indicator, clock, and other indicators normally display. I suspect this is related to the super AMOLED plus screen technology though most people will probably never notice it - if they did it would be discussed in forums all over the internet.
6. Complications with applications are frequent. Unfortunately it would seem the Android market is severely fragmented due to the shear variety of different Android hardware (i.e. handsets) available. Almost every app you download will have comments attached saying things like 'won't work on HTC Desire... ' or 'If you get the so-and-so issue then uninstall, reset and reinstall' etc., etc., Coming from iOS, this is rather jarring and definitely does not fly on a 500GBP product. Furthermore, with the exception of the very common/popular applications, you are very likely to encounter flakey apps that consume too much battery power or randomly crash/force close (or 'FC' as it's commonly called in the Android community)
7. Speaking of battery power... In my initial review (below) I mentioned how awesome it is to have widgets on the home screen. This remains true, but generally at the expense of battery life. This, combined with the battery drain experienced when using the phone for audio playback will very quickly drain your battery. You will be lucky to last the working day if you also use the phone on the road to receive and respond to emails in addition to your music, surfing, widgets, etc. This may be considered an acceptable trade-off, but no one warns you of it beforehand (at least I wasn't aware of it, and just assumed I'd still get at least a full day out of the battery). I've since learned Android phones have a horrible reputation for poor battery life. Expect to last around 12 hours with medium-light use.
With all the above said, this remains an outstanding phone and by all accounts one of the very best phones available on the market. It is super-fast - faster than my laptop - and the physical design is beautiful. For any existing Android user this phone is a dream. For people coming from iOS, I hope the above update has warned you of some of the limitations on this otherwise outstanding product.
i read it on amazon and laughed my sgs2 is the best phone ive owned if you read the futher reviews people argue his points mate
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i read it on amazon and laughed my sgs2 is the best phone ive owned if you read the futher reviews people argue his points mate
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Is the comment regarding audio playback accurate? (i.e. the lack of dedicated hardware results in excessive CPU usage and battery drain)?
Sounds like an apple employee got bored...
The SGS2 is great for music playback. I use mine every day in work, for 8 hours and only ever get down to about 50%, and that's with some web browsing thrown in and texting.
Also, i thought it decoded most if not all audio formats fine? I have mp3, wav and flac files in my playlists and no problems there at all.
On my one hour daily commute..i listen to music plus screen on time at like 60% full brightness when i switch between songs whilst browsing between my news and football apps..and i probably use about 10-15%.
Wifi sharing annoys me..but i didnt notice extra large battery drops.. when i first got my phone i had wifi on all the time and it was fine. Since then i rooted my phone and 'froze' wifi sharing...so when my wifi is on...i don;t have to worry about it.
The super amoled screen gives this phone an edge on battery life above other android phones even though it still isn't as good as i hoped. And the standby time is really good.
Remember iphone battery is not removable so once you ruin it with the inevitable half charges and overnight charges your in the sh*t. You can atleast buy a spare battery for androids and keep it in your back pocket. lol jus read what i wrote...this phone has turned me into a bit of a fan boy
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Is the comment regarding audio playback accurate? (i.e. the lack of dedicated hardware results in excessive CPU usage and battery drain)?
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i dont understand this the sgs2 has a dedicated yamaha audio chip it isnt running as good as the wolfson from the sgs1 but it is still pretty decent in terms of audio quality
as for cpu useage and excessive drain on the battery i use music all day at work and its fine , it doesnt get hot , it doesnt drain battery badly , it doesnt run cpu at maximum
i use my sgs2 as my main audio device as i have bluetooth stereos in the car and home and some ok headhones from work and i dont have his troubles at all
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Is the comment regarding audio playback accurate? (i.e. the lack of dedicated hardware results in excessive CPU usage and battery drain)?
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The sound card is different from the SGS1, which was considered more efficient. This is why a few sound amplifier apps refuse to work with the SGS2 (Voodoo Sound) etc.
Obviously Samsung decided to cheap out on that aspect.
I have not seen any color burn ins, or anything like that.
You have to remember that people who dont like a product are more likely to write a review .Saying that i use Amazon reviews to get an idea about a product or alternatives a lot before buying .
jje
Hello, i'm looking to buy a new phone and the nokia lumia has caught my attention.
I've been reading about it and understand that we'll be seeing 2 major updates this year.
Will the lumia 800 support the new windows mobile 8 platform?
I expect it to support Tango, but what about Apollo?
Or should i just wait for next generation nokia?
No one knows the answer to that question yet. But if any current wp7 device is going to get that update, the Lumia 800 is probably it. It is almost a wp7 equivalent of a nexus device.
But if you don't want this phone as it is now, don't buy it ;-)
I'm just waiting for nokia to start pushing out the current firmware update to my Cyan... Still only got the 7740 firmware with 8107.79 OS.
What are your experiences with the phone?
Do the phones that sell here in Denmark also have issues with batterylife, random reboots etc.?
I'm experiencing pretty bad battery time now. Yesterday I had to charge it twice to get through a full day. That is unacceptable! My old X10 holds battery for a day and half easily doing the same tasks.
I hope Nokia is very very aware of these issues and is working their asses off to get it solved.
I bought mine in Germany back in November. Kept it on 2G here in Denmark until the update that fixed the battery issues (last update).
After that update I have kept it on 3G and gotten about one and a half or two days of battery life from it.
I don't know about the status of the battery fix in Denmark. They may very well be on the phones in store (go check ). I found the demo fw for Denmark on the fw site Nokia has.
BUT if you want the phone look outside Denmark.. They are horribly overpriced here.. Some places twice the price of the same phone in Germany or England.
Regarding update to Apollo.. I see no technical reason for lumia 800 not to receive the update.
Hahah slap af en dansker tråd
Translation: "For danes only"
Roughly the same story as jlor except I bought mine in Denmark. Like arkedk, I had very poor battery life on my first phone so I returned it. The new one has up to around one and a half day of battery life with normal use. Roughly the same as with the old iPhone 3GS. I think there is a very high error rate on this battery type.
And yeah, it must be pretty popular here in Denmark
Although I'm not so sure that I should have bought this phone.
Microsoft have confirmed that all current wp7 handsets will get apollo in a response to Eldar (aka the spaz idiot who sould be shot). Tango int going to be that big really just about adding more languages and cheaper hansets to get a wider market. Apollo on the other hand looks to be even bigger than mango
Thanks for them answers.
Definatly gonna get me a winphone one day. But i'll wait a bit longer until either a new version of Lumia 800 comes out or nokia/ms whichever it is releases a firmware that fixes all these issues. Battery and camera in particular.
I'll stick to my damaged htc hero for now
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Although I'm not so sure that I should have bought this phone.
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Ok, I'm going to elaborate this a bit.
Why I am disappointed:
This phone is supposed to be Microsofts and Nokias big gamble to reclaim the mobile phone market. Nokia economic situation isn't very good to say the least but they are still the largest manufacturer of mobile phones world wide. However Apple is close behind and so is HTC and Samsung and they are gaining market shares.
So I had expected this phone to be Microsofts version of a nexus phone. A showcase phone if you like to benchmark other Windows phones against. In my oppionion they failed to do this by rushing it to the market. There are just too many flaws for me to be completely happy with it.
I read a lot of good reviews of WP7 devices regarding their battery life. It is supposed to lightweight and without the pletora of third party battery draining services running in the background. And it is. Many WP7 devices get great battery life. But this phone does not have good battery life. Hands down, you are not going anywhere over night with this phone without a charger. Even if you dont use it at all, you will still be cutting it very close. Even with my SGS 2 running overclocked at 1600 MHz I could easily go up to 3 days if I was mindful of battery my usage.
The camera is usable. It's not great but good enough if the motive is more important than the quality of the picture. But it's not going to wow anyone. I had expected more from Nokia though. I am used to Nokia cameras beeing the best on the market from previous experience.
Sound quality in the jack stick is an insult. It's horrible even if you have very low standards and it will hurt your ears. If you buy this phone, go to a Telenor store and get the black BH-111 bluetooth headset for 199 kr. It has a decent sound output if you throw away the earbuds that come with it and get some better ones. (The tranciever is detachable and has a mini-jack output and a build in microphone)
But there are some good things about the phone too:
WP7 is an absolute joy to use. I love it. I come from the SGS 2 and I did a lot of modding, exceeding 2 GB of custom firmware downloads each month. But I don't miss that at all with this phone, because everything just runs smoothly. I have had a few app crashes, mainly starting settings and the browser, but I can live with that.
I like the design and the build quality is pretty good although the buttons do feel flimsy on some devices. I am not too fussed about that though. The curves makes the phone nice to hold, but the 4 corners aren't that comfortable when you hold it for longer periods of time like 5 minutes plus. The curved glass is great though and it sits close to flush with the rest of the phone. The plastic feels nice when you hold it and looks pretty good too.
Call quality is pretty good in my oppinion and so is the antenna. I get better signal strength with this phone than I did with the SGS 2.
Bottom line: I expected a better device from Nokia. There is no way in h*** this phone will last for two weeks on stand by which is in fact what they claim on their web site and even if you call Nokia Care.
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I'll stick to my damaged htc hero for now
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Good idea ;-)
The batter is bad compared to other devices yes. My Xperia Play I could easily get two days out of. Even three. Even so I charged every single night because I want full juice at the start of every day. So the worse battery life does not really affect me even though I know it's there. The camera and audio is confirmed by Nokia to be adressed on future seperate updates that hopefully will fix the issues.
But whats the point really if the majority of the userbase are still complaining about bad batterylife.
I'd say camera/audio comes in second until the phone can last more than 24hours on whats supposed to be regular usage. I hope its faulty software and not hardware.
For all 3 parts, battery/audio/camera
Amen.
I'm not too optimistic about the battery issue being software related.
I agree the battery is very bad. I'm coming from a phone that used 1% battery in 3 hours standby time. With very minimal use I could use that phone for a week without charge but I charged it every night anyway. Coming to this is a world of difference.
I'm just saying that I can live with it.
With light to medium use I am getting one and a half days use on 3G. My LG 900 struggled to last 10 hours.
got this phone 3 days ago and experiencing absolutely retarded battery life. not getting more than 6-7 hours with MINIMAL usage and all chats logged off. WTF Nokia?
PS: My other phone is the Galaxy Note which has phenomenal battery life.
Im not from Denmark...but I am close enough
I bought the NL800 a few days ago with fw 11501, and have no problems with battery at all, and I am on 3g all the time, I play music, surf, update for email every 1 hour, and my battery last aprox. 1 and a half day..And that is what I would expect from this device with my use.
Only thing bugging me right now, is of course the brightness bug and the poor quality in music playback. But those are scheduled to be fixed, so if that don't take forever, then the NL800 is a keeper for me.
But on another side..the screen is a tad small, but I will get used to it...if not, I will probably get the NL900/910 or w/e they decide to call it in europe
Same as above, i have firmware 11501, and at first battery was bad. But the more i use the phone let it go right down and charge it seems to have been last longer. So far i have been using it for 15 hours. Listening to music, facebook, emails as soon as they come in. 3G, texts, facebook chat. I am a really heavy user just now as its the honeymoon period. But anyway, the only thing that is really annoying me is the camera and the audio. I listen to my audio with headphones on (Dr. Dre Beats) so i get the base im after. But it shouldn't take a £80 pair of headphones to get the audio quality im after. Nokia get an update out now!
my lumia will arrive tomorrow, and then i will test the battery life agains my radar and my titan, my titan's battery last for atleast two days with minimal usage. same goes for the radar.
Hello, I am a Contractor out of California and am looking at the Lumia 920. I've been using android for a couple of years, and while its fine; I think that windows phone might be a better choice for me. I am buying a W8 Tablet for using on estimates, job sites, etc. and I think having the same software on my phone will be beneficial.
Anyways....Just a few questions to help seal the deal or make me change my mind.
1. Is the real world battery life good enough that I can use it for an 18 hour day with approximately 2 hours of call time and some texting/emailing? Just as a phone mostly with minimal "computer" usage.
2. Has anyone figured out how to tether on the straight talk network? Just in case I need to email from the tablet while on a jobsite. I can always bluetooth a pdf over (I think) and email from the phone, but it would be easier to tether.
3. What is the real world battery life if I have the music app playing through the speaker? I can go a few hours on my android phone and still be above 60% battery life. It's nice to be able to turn on some music at a lower volume and not disturb the homeowner.
4. How easily does this phone sync with Google Calendar and contacts? I'm currently not using it, and could probably just switch to an outlook calendar instead of google, but it might be easier to use google for employees with android phones.