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HI,
realise the pocket pc software are quite expensive... Anyone want to share their license copy, games, utility etc. I guess all can benefit right?... Rather we all purchase on our own.
Or may be we can all chip in to buy.... We can use services like Paypal to remittance money to each other.
Me interested in the Age of Empires Gold Edition. Anyone got a full license one. Nyditot Virtual Display 3.01 ?...
Warezzzz
I'm just speaking for myself here...
I have no major moral objections against copying copyrighted software, but I can also see the point of software companies trying to make a buck. I even co-own a small software company that will be trying to make a buck soon. But please believe me when I say that this is not the reason I'm posting this message.
I would hate to see warez being traded on this system. I've seen what frequent warez trading does to the atmosphere of communities like ours. Before long, professional traders will post requests. People will offer to pay for stuff, warez ftp server addresses 'for-the-day' will be posted, etc. etc. etc.
There's plenty of good forums on Usenet that have plenty of (alt.binaries.)warez posted to them. They have much less good productive atmosphere to waste and they work well.
Omigosh...
Well I don't think warezing software is something terribly wrong (it's not a theft usually), but if somebody likes the software, he should buy it. However, nobody can expect a 18 year old czech student to spend 80 bucks for SSH client he uses once a week.
I think those who use software to make money (companies, managers etc...) should buy the software. Those who just "play" with software and install and deinstall applications 5 times a day can get a warez copy. But if I find a great piece of soft I want to keep (forever), I buy it.
(I don't buy software, I'm a poor student and the software fee doesn't repay itself).
And another thing... I would never trade software here - in public, in a tech forum with guest access...
If you can afford an XDA and the phone contracts that go with it, you can afford the software - most programs are only 10-15 USD. A few like AoE are more, and I can tell you worth the extra money.
Regards
Tim
Basically, i find it rather amusing the comments given. Anyway, my intention is not to spread the so called 'piracy'. The intention was to share files with your so called neighhours. If you think my sharing for example DVD - THe spider man to let the neighhour watch or use, then the whole world must be pracitising that, even your neighhouhood video store is spread 'piracy'. I mean people can always rent it and duplicate at their home right?......
Furthmore, forum is more less like a obtaining information, sharing etc. That's why I use the words like sharing. Wanna to charge those sharing information. If you think this kind actions is bad, I think this forum shall stop hacking the XDA stuff..
I got my new 02 XDA 64MB at US$500 only.... Spend so much $$$ on electronic stuff for what?........ Earniing money is not an easy task. and for you info only a few program is US$10/= Most are more that U$20/=. IF you get 10 how much will it be, and the money is only for 1 version. don;t forget the accessories thats comes with it. If you think u have extra $$$ to spend on this software. Share with it someone who is not as rich as u.
there is loads of free stuff out there if you want it a forum like this is brillant for info but there is a wide range of others out there
My two cents in what seems to become a long thread.
First to answer mac's orignal question. I can't help you (currently :lol: )
In response to XDA developer Peter Poelman's response I want to submit that in order to keep this forum alive we certainly don't need the professional traders.
As for software licensing. I have been/am on both sides. User and author. It's annoying if people just copy whatever they like, especially if they make a lot of money with it.
My justification so far has been. I use 'evaluation copies' for 2 or 3 weeks or so and if it is still in use I buy the software. Is it legal? Probably not? Is this wrong? Probably yes, but I can sleep at night.
We all invent 'our rules' for the world. If you want to be safe, stick with the rules. If not just be prepared to have your [email protected]# kicked every now and then.
Although I sympathise with the argument of being a student, etc etc, that doesn't justify it (nor do my own 'rules' do that). What would you charge someone with 5 children and being a single parent?
And most of the times there are alternatives. For instance in the windows space there is a lot of free software around and some of them are real jewels. If you are curious: www.nonags.com.
Industry responds with free software containing banners and adds, we all hate them, install cracks/patches to get rid of them. Wake up guys. They give it away for free and still we whine. (yes, I hate adds and banners to and I kill them whenever possible). I think we shouldn't whine about initiatives like Palladium if we copying everything we can get our hands on.
Overall my advise is: don't use THIS forum for conducting that behaviour and for the rest live and let live. In my opinion its a forum for undertanding the XDA and its technology. I don't even have one yet ( :evil: ) but I have learned a lot already. One could argue about some of the things tht could be done with the XDA (un-simlocking of accidently locked phones) but it's mainly discussing the device, software and accessoiries.
Being nosy is not a crime.
Having knowledge is not a crime.
But using knowledge could be a crime.
And even the first 2 can be a crime depending on where you live.
Pfffffffffft, I must be PMS'ing. Sorry people :wink:
Robert
I think games should be paid for....
but as far as tools etc goes I think it would be fair to follow the GPL...
You pay for what you make money with.
I'm a frequent visitor to alt.binaries....pocketpc and I've probaly downloaded 700mb or so in pocketpc warez since I bought my XDA...
I have an easynews account which archives newsgroup posts from the last 30 days.
That software I downloaded because I thought it looked interesting; not because it was there. Out of those god knows how many programs I have 12 programs that I keep on my xda at all times... these I have registered:
Battery Pack 2003 <<< really good
Resco Explorer 2003
Lextionary <<< prolly the best dictionary tool
Snails
Marble Worlds
Diamond Mine <<< addictive as hell
Speedball 2 << we love the Amiga !!
Pocket C64 <speaks for itself>
Dockware
Small menu <<< damn good btw
Rhinostats
Truefax
The others I played with for a while and then dumped because they were errr CRAP ? or there were other better alternatives (atleast in the power monitoring area)
Diamond mine I downloaded months ago... and only registered yesterday.
I dont believe in buying stuff I dont need.. and downloading them gives me more time to decide whither I'm going to keep it... or fire it onto a DVDRW and forget about it after a month.
I also have a wares copy of Autocad Studio Max 5 on my computer... $5k to buy in the shops...
most people dont learn this program at Uni (atleast the good ones anyways). Most of them pick up a copy when they are in their early teens and continue to learn with it till they master the techniques. After doing so they go to Uni and get the bit of paper... later on they get a job with a company which has bought a license to the application.
Autocad arent missing out on my license... I'd have never considering paying the $5,000 in the first place.
Some people say that 3D Animation is a craft. I've known people who have been 'learning' it for the past 7 years. Where would Autocad get its budding new business licenses if the 3D warez market dried up and only the large software houses could afford them?
Games are different, you cant make money from them.
I bought StarScape the other day for the PC.
http://www.moonpod.com/English/about_ss.php
download the demo and give it a go
I normaly run games in 1600x1200 or above... but the fact this runs in 640x480 makes no difference.
You might also want to check this site out for some more quality game play... and best of all they are free 8)
http://www.tierraentertainment.com/ (reworked kings Quest I&II)
http://www.back2roots.org/ (shtuff from eons ago)
games from the era of when gaming had gameplay, hand drawn graphics and not just a billion polygons fired at it.
Strange comment from a 3D artist.
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hi mac
try bear share there is loads of software on there i dont think we should trade games on here i used to use another site for my nokia communicator and it started to trade software and now it gives very little free and has turned into a business venture about selling software and not the product which it was originally meant to help promote amongst fellow users
Well, we'll be relasing a game soon aswell and i would like to think that if people download the demo and they are happy with it, that they would then go on to buy the full version. Its not like the average pocket pc game costs a fortune.
The way I look at it is if people dont buy software, people will stop writing it, I have purchased many games/apps, and am glad i supported the writers of such software. As a result newer and better versions are released, i prime example is Battery Bar along with Journal Bar, fantastic bit of software.
My upgrade t610 will arrive later this week. Must be a good phone, as its been out of stock.. A few instability issues with the XDA have made my mind up. This is what I now choose:
t610 - main mobile (like normal people..)
XDA - as a PDA. (like a posh git!)
Can anybody who has gone this illogical way back in time also, please give some advice, and comments. Is it easy to cope going back to an ordinary mobile handset again? Or did you move back to the XDA . .
All comments very welcomed please.
MArtin
hi i dunno what id do without my XDA lol
i was like this with nokias when the 3510i was 1st released i had one of the 1st units out i thought it was the dogs bollocks then the 7210 ect.. came out i was like um im bored of this so i was gonna get a big pda phone i though......
7210 i could only just afford, 7650 i want badly and i can only just afford, p800 out my league, spv i want but id like the XDA more but XDA was way way out my price range
so i was going to get the spv as my mate had the spv and another had the 7650 i was impressed by both....
but one day browsing ebay i found an XDA for £190 buy it now so i got it and i was like damn being with nokia all that time and moving to another make is a big step....
but after
XDA>All
nokia are cheaply made peices of ****e :| now campared to the XDA
but now i have kinda like taken a fancy to the 6600 and 3650 but the thing that sucks about them is no SD slot :| only mmc and only 128mb tops which plain sucks.
so i want the XDA 2 when its out but i know im not gonna be able to afford that.
but if the XDA1 had bluetooth i would keep but i really want bluetoohe
this has made me thought of getting a 3650 and then a ipaq 3870 so i can use the net on the move using bluetooth and also have a mobiule phone/camera to take pics and put them on my ipaq.
but im not too sure as i love the XDA lol
sorry for the comfusion just i wont be able to move down from XDA to a normal phone it would have to be PDA style or ahve PDA features atleast
gaz
once you have tasted the cream how can you go back to uht long life milk on your corn flakes? just buy jeans with big pockets.
The Xda promises me a mobile office and to a certain
extend it has. I no longer feel guilty sitting in a coffee bar when I should be behind a desk
I can envisage working well into my old age too if it means I can sit in a beach somewhere instead of behind a desk. And when my memory finally goes....
speaking as an XDA newbie - I've had mine about a month now - and not to mention the CPW billing issues :evil: ... I personally have to agree, but that there is a time and a place for each unit. Let's face it there are times when the XDA is just a bit inconvenient and you wish you had a sturdy little nokia in your pocket.
The beach thing sounds great, but do you really want to use the unit in that environment ? that's when your digi fun-cam-fone comes in handy for me.. 8)
I've also suffered a few glitches which make me wonder if they haven't got the application quite "right" yet ? (a la 3..) for true mobile comms - certainly the costs are prohibitively expensive, i.e. the service providers need to drop costs to consumers and speed up the service. But also the phone software doesn't seem to work too well with the PC side ? Or is that me ? :wink:
So in summary I think there's a place for the XDA, e.g if my music career takes off I can be fully mobile with all my demos in tow etc - the possibilitys are endless, but for now I'll keep checking my pop mail from work, playing pacman in meetings, getting annoyed that I can't get through the company firewall to get work e-mails (bugger that one!)
he he I dont actually take my xda to the beach.
What I am trying to say is that I am more in love with the concept of mobile computing and how it can change the way we work.
I mean why retire when you can continue "working" at the beach if you know what I mean.
To free us from the tyranny of being tied to our desk or office thats the promise.
This is very exciting and I am looking forward
to seeing what came out in this type of devices.
There is of course a portion of the population (even a majority) that cannot be bother with the complexity
or for whom voice call reliability is absolutely critical and lets face it the xda is not quite "there" yet.
Hi All,
It's an interesting argu ... however, let me remind you all how we can now have a tablet PC instead of the old days when I was lucky to get XT with 20MB HD PC on my desk. I believe the XDA (as a concept) is still a baby. It has its own challenges (battery life for now). Also, the wireless comm is evolving too fast (GSM -> GPRS -> UMTS -> ... ??? ) ... I can see that day comming when you will no longer be able to say is it a phone or computer :wink:
For now, one have to decide: either you need a mobile computer, or a computerized mobile
Hmmmm...something to make you think here:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/952420.asp?0si=-
'tis true alquerty - I myself did a support job where I was laptop based, and found myself working from home due to the timings of various procedures. The line started becoming blurred for me then.. checking logs whilst shaving and all sorts..
Going back to the previous point about the XDA being a baby. Absolutely. The idea of us having a mobile unit that does everything has surely been around for yonks. Thunderbirds, Joe 90 - video watches and all that. We're getting there, that's what I meant about the application, it just hasn't been fully realised yet - give 3G a little while and we'll all be there soon anyway :lol:
Bring the points together and you could end up with this nightmare-ish vision of the future, with no communicative boundaries. You can always be found. But I guess the question you have to ask is "do you want to"? - Which is where I think the doubters come in - I guess they just like their privacy, and regard voice as definitive ? (i.e. "if I'm speaking to them then I'm available")
Interesting debate !
nokia
The Nokia Communicator has a good principal. I think these things go back to the nineties? Anyway, the office away from the desk.. You open up the communicator, and there it all is waiting for you. qwerty keyboard, reasonable screen, and some useful apps.
I remember the best thing that nokia did with that was the fax. You were able to send and recieve faxes with that thing superbly.
From memory this might have been the first mobile with speaker phone as well. Stick the phone on the kitchen table and sit round it having a conversation. Pioneering days.
Yes ppc has come a long way. Playing strip poker on the sly and such is great. But the fundamentals of the business users are not forfilled. For this market a reliable functioning piesce of equipment is required. Nokia seem to have this side covered?
Anybody ever seen a nokia communicator (9190 I think...) being used with a pocket pc? How daft would that be!!!
well my XDA is now sold ill miss it getting a 3650 to try out.
if i dont like it then straight back to the XDA but ill get a 64mb version this time round thats if i dont like the 3650.
if i like the 3650 ill get an ipaq with built in bluetooth and a gps unit so that way i can still use the net using 3650's bluetoohte and have a cam and pics in instant + mms and reliable signal on the phone
shame bout it being a sybian phone and not CE
>>shame bout it being a sybian phone and not CE
If its CE then it wouldnt be reliable would it and you are back to square one? HaHa
ok ok its getting better with each rom update
Must be a good phone, as its been out of stock.
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Don't delude yourself. A year ago I wanted a T68 badly to use with my Jornada via Bluetooth. Must be a good phone--it was back-ordered three weeks, right? First one was DOA. Second one lost the "up" direction on the joystick in about a week. Third one went two months before it just started rebooting itself. Replacement for that was DOA.
Meanwhile I moved up to the XDA and cannot imagine going back. I had to use a regular phone for most of a day when I hosed up a radio stack update and thought I was going to lose my mind.
OK..... As some of you know I own a deli/restaurant. We were broken into recently (no I don't have a security system and yes I'm a dope), luckily they only got us for $200-$300. I understand all of the obvious options we have for a system and I will be putting those in place asap.
Here's the thing.... there was no sign of forced entry. I have business partners (wasn't them) and 2 employees with keys (really don't think it was them) but possibly someone that knows any of the above got their key. None of that matters (my tiny brain will investigate that)....
Is there a security system or cams that could be linked to any of my android phones or tablets? If anyone knows of a system anything close to what I'm talking about, that would be really cool.
I'll be meeting with Time Warner and my wife just mentioned adt about a system but..... if I could any how have cams going to my tablets or phones that would be even more helpful, if it was an inside job.... and I hardly EVER think that way but there was no sign of forced entry. Also it happened the day of the Hurricane so the cops said anything outside with finger prints wouldn't show a thing.
Just saw something similar on the Nook Color forum and was wondering why I didn't ask this question to you guys the day it happened.
Money is somewhat of an option (as it is to most people) but having something feeding to my android devices would be priceless.
If this is an obvious answer please let this thread sink but if there is a way to have security running to my phones or tablets please speak up.
Thanks,
Chef
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Costco has an 8 camera dvr system for~ $300. Web accessible...I am getting one for my home.
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There are plenty of systems that will link to your devices, aft included. I will go find some for you
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Everfocus brand dvr systems have a free app called mobile focus, links in to dvr for realtime, also supports ptz over WiFi, 3g, or 4G... I've installed tons of them
http://www.everfocus.com/product.cfm?productid=165
And u can use any camera that is bnc or composite with bnc converters
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Wow guys! Thank you for the quick informative responses. This is a serious matter to me and really means a lot.
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bigsc said:
There are plenty of systems that will link to your devices, aft included. I will go find some for you
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phreezex said:
Everfocus brand dvr systems have a free app called mobile focus, links in to dvr for realtime, also supports ptz over WiFi, 3g, or 4G... I've installed tons of them
http://www.everfocus.com/product.cfm?productid=165
And u can use any camera that is bnc or composite with bnc converters
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im4Christ92 said:
Costco has an 8 camera dvr system for~ $300. Web accessible...I am getting one for my home.
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Thanks to everyone else that posts. Lol
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f#cken BUMS !!!
any suggestions for those that want the wireless route of camera? where I want to mount mine I wont have any existing cabeling for video and even getting power to it is gonna be tricky.
Really want remote viewing control on phone, recording dvr either onsite or in the cloud. most seem to be hardline cameras still except for the IP cameras which dont work with most typical dvr's ive seen at first glance. I know they make transmitters to convert the wired camera to wireless but thats adds a ton of clutter too as ones ive seen are bulky.
Try logitech alert 750e on Google.
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HTC EVO 3D @ 1.7GHz running silverneedle kernel and viperROM
Go to android market and download alarm. Com, but you need to have vivet alarm system. I have them and with this app I can see my front of house with the cam I have placed inside the bird house. Lol
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I can also monitor who goes in and out the front door or and window that is opened, I can adjust my ac system and lock or unlock the from door. Lol
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I hate geovision dvr cards, but they have an android app finally. Most systems can be viewed from a web browser, but you'll want to make sure that there is an app for them as it makes viewing the video remotely much easier.
If you don't want to worry about finding an app for a specific brand go with wireless cameras. Don't get the kind that need a base unit. Get some that can be linked to a wireless router. You can then setup an existing computer to record the video or get a new computer dedicated for just this. Since each camera uses its own up address you can use one of the many ip camera apps in the market.
If you need help with anything send me a pm. I do camera installs and repair as a side job.
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unCoRrUpTeD said:
I hate geovision dvr cards, but they have an android app finally. Most systems can be viewed from a web browser, but you'll want to make sure that there is an app for them as it makes viewing the video remotely much easier.
If you don't want to worry about finding an app for a specific brand go with wireless cameras. Don't get the kind that need a base unit. Get some that can be linked to a wireless router. You can then setup an existing computer to record the video or get a new computer dedicated for just this. Since each camera uses its own up address you can use one of the many ip camera apps in the market.
If you need help with anything send me a pm. I do camera installs and repair as a side job.
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Let me talk to my business partners and wife tonight or tomorrow morning and I'll shoot you a pm after I talk to them. This seems to be a fairly cheap option w/out monthly fees or a base. I also have a sneaky suspicion that maybe someone is going in after we close and eating or feeding their friends and family like kings.
I work 7 days a week and close the business quite a few of the days. Sometimes I get a gut feeling that things weren't the wah they were when I left the night before. Soooo..... If I could be watching my business at night while yucking it up on xda, that's a win/win.
WINNING!
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I don't have any information for you, but just want to show my sympathy toward your situation. It would be terrible if someone you trusted with the keys was doing it or even giving the key to their friends to do it. I am a Union Committeeman at the shop I work at and I just had to sit in with a maintenance man of ours while he got fired for stealing from the company. He was using his key to come in after hours and stealing copper wire and brass fittings and taking them to the scrap yard for money. The Plant manager was suspicious that it was an inside job and took pictures of the cars and people he suspected and took them down to the local scrap yard. They identified the guy and his car and even gave him a copy of the invoice he signed himself(dumbass). He lost a decent job over $76. There was nothing the Union could do to fight it because he was basically caught red handed. The Plant Manager gave him the option to either resign his position on the spot, or he could try to fight it and he would get the cops involved. He admitted doing it and resigned. Anyway, I hope you can catch whoever is doing it. I hope it's not the people you have trusted with keys, but it just sounds strange to me that there are no signs of forced entry. It may cost you now to install a camera system, but will save you $ in the long run. Good Luck bro.
http://www.cctvcamerapros.com/Internet-Video-Surveillance-DVR-s/424.htm
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I don't have any information for you, but just want to show my sympathy toward your situation. It would be terrible if someone you trusted with the keys was doing it or even giving the key to their friends to do it. I am a Union Committeeman at the shop I work at and I just had to sit in with a maintenance man of ours while he got fired for stealing from the company. He was using his key to come in after hours and stealing copper wire and brass fittings and taking them to the scrap yard for money. The Plant manager was suspicious that it was an inside job and took pictures of the cars and people he suspected and took them down to the local scrap yard. They identified the guy and his car and even gave him a copy of the invoice he signed himself(dumbass). He lost a decent job over $76. There was nothing the Union could do to fight it because he was basically caught red handed. The Plant Manager gave him the option to either resign his position on the spot, or he could try to fight it and he would get the cops involved. He admitted doing it and resigned. Anyway, I hope you can catch whoever is doing it. I hope it's not the people you have trusted with keys, but it just sounds strange to me that there are no signs of forced entry. It may cost you now to install a camera system, but will save you $ in the long run. Good Luck bro.
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Thanks! I tried doing a little detective work myself but lead me nowhere. They got me for the $100 bucks I leave in the till everynight to start the next day with and got my change box (roughly $200) where I keep all my rolled quarters, dimes etc to make change for the register ( this is where my detective work came in) . I went to a local change for dollars machine vendor but so many people use those daily (including myself when our home change cup gets full) that it would be impossible. I went to local stores and told them to keep an eye on anyone paying with rolled change. That's about the extent of my detective abilities. If I knew any crack dealers they would be the first ones I would ask if anyone's has been buying crack with rolled quarters (haha) .
As for food possibly missing at night is weighing heavy on my mind due to the whole trust issue when you hand a key to your business to someone you trust. I really don't think its anyone with the keys but maybe someone they know grabbing the key while they're sleeping or whatever.
I'll get the bastard whoever it is.
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First... let's start with a a few definitions.
com·put·er - n.
1. An electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program.
2. Also called processor. an electronic device designed to accept data, perform prescribed mathematical and logical operations at high speed, and display the results of these operations.
3. A device that computes, especially a programmable electronic machine that performs high-speed mathematical or logical operations or that assembles, stores, correlates, or otherwise processes information.
tel·e·phone - n.
1. An instrument that converts voice and other sound signals into a form that can be transmitted to remote locations and that receives and reconverts waves into sound signals.
SO... I was browsing around XDA, and I couldn't help but notice all of talk we have accumulated over this whole HBoot 1.5 deal, not have the NAND unlocked, crummy source code releases from phone companies, sprint and many other phone companies monitoring every little thing we do, people's contracts being terminated for "accessing torents".... a whole laundry list of problems people are having with various aspects of owning their "phone" and not having freedom to truly do whatever they want with it.
I started pondering the idea that cell phones, tablets, the whole scene, are slowly starting to replace the use of a personal lap top or desk top. Many people, such as myself, use their "phone" as a very handy mobile business tool - much like you would a computer - checking/sending emails, downloading music, managing bank accounts, keeping up with the latest news on facebook, recording/sharing/editing high quality media, playing games, programming and testing software, composing and looking at word, excel, powerpoint, adobe... just to name a few... documents. Oh, and making phone calls.
Back to the "thought" that came to mind as I was contemplating this, it occurred to me that my phone, is becoming much less of a phone to me, and more like a computer, and just like my computer it is something I have paid and continually pay good money for...
My question, then, is would the free world (society) ever tolerate the limitations, and obnoxious "control" over their personal computers that we are all rolling over on our backs and accepting from phone companies? Could this idea that phones are becoming, and ARE, more a computer than a phone in the year 2012 and furthermore at what point will we stop accepting this type of tyranny from the dealers of these devices? Could this not be comparative to best buy selling you a laptop, then the cable company telling you exactly what you are and aren't allowed to do with said laptop, simply because they are providing you the PAID FOR service of their internet? Where and when are we going to draw the line with this type of double standard and make a valiant effort to bring this to the attention of people who are walking in blindness, with their little computers in their pockets, with their big phone company telling them exactly what they can and cannot do with their phone? If I want to buy a lap top, then turn around and rebuild it to my liking, knowing the warranty may be void if something goes wrong, and maybe over something as simple as not liking the color of the menu screen, do I not have that ability? Likewise, if I pay hundreds of dollars for a portable computer, which fits conveniently in my pocket, and I decide I want to tear apart the software simply to rebuild it or improve on things that do not fit to my needs EXACTLY, am I not allowed to do this simply because I am paying for internet and radio reception and the company selling me such service says "no, that is not allowed" because they say so? If this type of control or dictatorship was ever forced upon our personal computers, there would be riots on the doorsteps of the people selling us the computers and internet service. Why then do we tolerate this bull**** with something cell phone companies call a "phone" but something we all know is just as useful, and extremely more convenient than, a lap top.
Why is there no freedom to do whatever we please with our pocket sized computers? Why do cell carriers tell us what we can and cannot do with the devices they sell us, then make us pay for continually? The average person will spend approximately $1,800 dollars on "cell phone" services over the course of a contract. By the time that contract is up, their hardware is outdated, and needs replacing to keep up with the software and hardware advancement in the mobile electronic world. Does that wreak of computer or phone to you? My parents have had the same house phone in their living room for the past 10 years, and it does exactly what it was always designed to do, and does not need "upgrading". Why are "cell phones" being called cell phones by Sprint, Verizon, T Mobile, and many other companies that sell these devices by the millions when they are hardly phones at all? If my laptop has an application on it, which it does - skype, that is designed to simply make a phone call every now and then among the hundred of other things I use it for, does that mean I should call my lap top a cell phone? Simply because I can talk to cell phones from it? Or is it a computer, because it's primary function is to compute data that I store on it, and read that data back to me in millions of different ways and interact with me based on what data I decide to access/store in it? "Cell phones" are not cell phones, and why are we allowing people to tell us otherwise, simply so they can dictate to us what we do with them? I think it is time we start bringing this to people's attention. I think it is time to start raising this question to "cell phone" companies and manufacturers of these expensive devices, then turn around and tell us what we can and cannot do with our "cell phone." I say we start giving a big fat middle finger to this injustice and go on the offense here about this huge issue. I don't want your spyware bull **** on my computer, I don't want to be told what websites I am allowed to visit/not visit, I don't want you locking me out of my computer's OS, I don't want you collecting random statistical data about what apps I use, I don't want you invading my privacy. I just want to buy my damn computer, pay for your radio service like I do with my laptop and comcast, and not have any other relationship with you other than a monthly payment. I am one of those who enjoys freedom. And if I want to pick apart the software that you pre-loaded into my device, for learning experience, for ****s and giggles, for the pure sake of not being bored, give me the freedom to do it ENTIRELY... Not in some half ass way.
Our "phones" are not phones. Make this known the next time a "phone" company calls you with their ridiculous "rate your experience at our store" phone calls. In fact, request that they do call. Write a letter. Hell, copy and paste this entire rant and email it to [email protected]... whatever the hell you do, stop letting people walk all over you by feeding you lies about what that device in your hand truly is, which you are reading this post from.
Be vocal, and be defiant with this major invasion of privacy and freedom. It will turn heads and cause people to question the powers that be. Does ANYBODY have a right to tell me what I do with MY computer? Hell no they don't.
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You sir, a a born philosopher.
Nicely said.
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PS. The first one to flame should get banned from XDA! and their phone removed by the FBI...
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Meh, its still just a phone, the "phone" has just evolved. All technology has a 2 year cycle. And as long as you have to go through a carrier, they will be able to tell you what you can and cannot do.
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Cool Story Bro. Now seriously, you may have a point there athough if this did happen we would probably end up laying full price for our phones. Where do you ever see a desktop with 250 instant savings if you setup Verizon home and phone service in your area. It's an iffy situation. Once we call these "phones" computers they will end up being treated as such. I can't imagine how much the cost of an app would go up just because my phone is no longer considered a mobile platform.
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The phone is simply no longer a phone. With the recent software that allows us to run x86 OS's in your hand with nothing more than a disk image and a text edit, the term "PC in your hand" is indeed a reality. As this wonderful visionary has so stated in so many words, where does the line that separates computer and phone begin and end. And the simple answer is, it doesn't begin or end because it doesn't exist.
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ha, if you think you aren't paying full price for your phone through the back door (your monthly bill) you are fooling yourself. they compensate themselves greatly with that little rebate you "save"
my point is simply that our "phones" are not phones anymore. they are computers. i have a phone, at my house, and it makes phone calls. what it doesn't do is keep me logged into skype, facebook, twitter, my email accounts, my netflix account, my pandora account, my bank account, or record pictures, videos, then allow me to do much of that stuff at the same time and in a timely manner.... much like my lap top does.
i was on a little bit of a stick it to the man kick last night i'll admit...lol... but really ask yourselves, "is he right here?" i think so. it would not be a stretch at all to say our personal mobile computers are being monopolized and freedoms are being infringed upon simply because we have been told to call these mobile computers "phones"...
have they evolved from what they were? certainly. i remember when my cell phone was simply a cell phone. the reality is that i use my phone for things i used to use my computer for.... as somebody said before, that line between phone and computer has been quickly fading and is nearly gone, so why treat our phones any different than we would a computer? and why shouldn't we expect nothing less than complete and utter personal privacy for these devices? and just as you buy a desktop or lap top and have entire administrative control over it, why is this not being allowed on these ones that are hand held? it is a sick double standard that is there to simply control what you do with the device. the fact is, people would be in an uproar if companies such as dell, or gateway, or apple, or comcast, etc treated you and your desk top the way you are being treated with your "cell phone"
Dude, you're absolutely right! If anyone disagrees, its because they have been brain washed for so long they don't know any better. Come to think of it, I hardly use my "phone" to make phone calls. The sad reality, though, is that I don't see change any time soon. We have given the carriers too much power and, just like government, they never give that power back.
But I mean, this if what the man is good at, like for real. They sell us on an idea, put the product in our hand, say "do anything you can imagine with it" and out in the fine print "but only do what we allow you to imagine, nothing more!" For example, just because it plugs in, in a sense anyway. I have a NextBook Premium 7 tablet. I have also started developing roms. The problem my partners and I ran into was the limitation of space on the thing (210 mb after root, 160 mb before root), after converting the file system from the manufacturer version to a version that the typical phone runs (ext3) and editing the parameters, the thing has a gigabyte of free space. To plug this into the topic at hand, what the electronic market does by limiting the possibilities of what our devices can do is keep money in their pockets, because they (for example) release a 3vo with a 1 gHz processor, the release a sensation with a 1.2 GHz, putting emphasis on the ".2" for $100 more. Then come back and sound the release of a quad core 1.5 GHz phone, again putting emphasis on the ".5" and are going to throw ANOTHER $100 on to of the sensations price tag after rebate. When in fact, the 3vo can be over clocked to 1.5 and be stable, the sensation can hit that 1.8 with its eyes closed, and I'm quite sure a quad core can push 2.0 GHz plus on a bad day. The average consumer doesn't know this though, and the average consumer happens to be pretty much 95% of society with an Android phone smartphone, and unfortunately the consumer market plays on this lack of knowledge.
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This should at the very least concern some of you. The way the technological world is headed, lap top and desk top computers could very well be obsolete in a few years. Entirely obsolete. Your “phone” will do all of the things your computer does, and dell will be in the “phone” business, not the PC business. Who is going to be in control of your “phone service”….??
Sprint, Verizon, T mobile, etc… turning a blind eye to this unfolding before our very eyes is ignorant and foolish. They will have us all by the testicles.
so my car is also a computer? Its got multiple CPU's, a place to watch dvds, and a 7" monitor with android OS on it. I drive a computer! sweet!
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so my car is also a computer? Its got multiple CPU's, a place to watch dvds, and a 7" monitor with android OS on it. I drive a computer! sweet!
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well you are obviously out of your element here.
what is the MAIN function of your car? to drive. technically your brain is a computer. don't be a moron.
a hand held camera for example, has a speaker phone on it for recording sound with the video? correct? does it also have an image processor? yes it does. do we call it a voice recorder? no. we call it a camera.
my whole point is that our "phones" are far more similar to our "computers" and labelling them "phones" and treating them as such, by controlling them and monopolizing them and dictating what we are not allowed to do with them, is none of anybody's ****ing business but ours - much like what you do with your computer is nobody's business but yours. if i download torrents on my lap top, does dell and comcast walk in and remove the service i am paying for? no, they don't, because it is unlawful and not their element. furthermore, phone companies do not treat these devices with the respect they deserve, hence all the security flaws we uncover in the dev community. this needs to change.
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This should at the very least concern some of you. The way the technological world is headed, lap top and desk top computers could very well be obsolete in a few years. Entirely obsolete. Your “phone” will do all of the things your computer does, and dell will be in the “phone” business, not the PC business. Who is going to be in control of your “phone service”….??
Sprint, Verizon, T mobile, etc… turning a blind eye to this unfolding before our very eyes is ignorant and foolish. They will have us all by the testicles.
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The phone "will" do nothing, cause it already does.! And though I agree that the ideal "desktop or laptop" will fade, the touchscreen PC will shine through eventually just as the phone did, I doubt regular computers will fade away at anytime in the near future.
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1. The code for phones is written on supercomputers, so you'll likely not see the complete dismantling of them in general. Maybe a huge drop off of personal (at home) computers/laptops, but not full scale pc absence.
2. Its the desire of the users to have the latest and greatest things to play with that feeds cell phone companies and allows them to control the experience.
3. The only true way to revolt against the companies, is don't buy the latest and greatest, or don't buy at all. We're only subject to our own temptations. You have to eliminate your dependence on your smartphone, and retract back to "the old way" (only make phone calls, write letters, etc). Its because you (general you) have allowed yourself to be reliant on your phone for so many aspects of your life that phone companies (manufacturers and cell service providers alike) have you by the balls.
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The phone "will" do nothing, cause it already does.! And though I agree that the ideal "desktop or laptop" will fade, the touchscreen PC will shine through eventually just as the phone did, I doubt regular computers will fade away at anytime in the near future.
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why would you want a touch screen PC when tablets and ipads and phones are already there? and what makes you think the technology will stay restricted to a display screen? virtual displays are already in the works and these will be implemented as soon as they can be. your "phone" could very likely one day fulfill every aspect of entertainment and communication that your standard home computer does. how do you not see this trend already taking a sharp rise over the last two years compared to the last 4 or 5? sprint and other carrier's line up of devices has taken a major overhaul over merely the last 5 years, and you think that trend is suddenly going to come to a screeching halt and dual core, 1 gig RAM, and 4 inch displays will be the standard for the next century or even 5 years? you are mistaken.
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Hey, I wanted to know if it's possible to mod a server sided game to instead of connecting to the game developer server, connect to your own server, so you can reward yourself with anything you want.
I'm playing this game called deck heroes for a while and I really don't care about the pvp, I just want to finish the single player campaign but it's impossible without spending a couple hundred dollars
I prefer to buy a server or pay a hacker instead of spending 500$ for just a chance of getting better cards
is the idea possible?
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Hey, I wanted to know if it's possible to mod a server sided game to instead of connecting to the game developer server, connect to your own server, so you can reward yourself with anything you want.
I'm playing this game called deck heroes for a while and I really don't care about the pvp, I just want to finish the single player campaign but it's impossible without spending a couple hundred dollars
I prefer to buy a server or pay a hacker instead of spending 500$ for just a chance of getting better cards
is the idea possible?
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Of course you can connect to an other server if you have root and know what files to mod. The only thing is that probably (not surely) your game stats will be reverted to the old ones, because theres a backup kept on the server. If that's not the case, you could also simply mod the local databases.
Ehsanelite said:
Hey, I wanted to know if it's possible to mod a server sided game to instead of connecting to the game developer server, connect to your own server, so you can reward yourself with anything you want.
I'm playing this game called deck heroes for a while and I really don't care about the pvp, I just want to finish the single player campaign but it's impossible without spending a couple hundred dollars
I prefer to buy a server or pay a hacker instead of spending 500$ for just a chance of getting better cards
is the idea possible?
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Technically this would be circumventing paying for things which discussion of is against the XDA rules under rule 6o not post or request warez, I am not a moderator but please don't talk about these things on XDA just a friendly reminder :good:.