Oh great and wise of you out there, a question,
Just like you can expand your number of USB ports on a PC by using a hub is it possible to expand your number of SDIO slots on your Hima (as per the idea of internal dual SIM holders)?
I came across this "mod" where somebody has obviously tried to double up on slots.
Would the concept work for the Hima or as per dual SIM holders does anyone know if there is a product out there already (failled to find on by googling).
FYI I'd love to add WIFI, Storage and GPS to my Hima but don't really want to be forever swapping cards or having combo cards wifi/storage where I'd be stuck once say storage ran out).It would be great to have my current 1G SD storage side by side with a new wifi card both flat against the back of the hima (inside or out space allowing) then I could pop the GPS SD into the top since that's the bulky one).
Thoughts/ insights much appreciated.
Regards - Mallow1
PS posted this over in buzzdev too and the feedback seemed to be positive on the theory but nothing re a product out there already or anybody else trying the same thing.
xda's cant host other usb devices
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=13031&highlight=usb+host
Hi Rudegar,
Thanks for the reply but I think you miss understand me. did you follow the link embedded in the "mod" text in my post above?
I'm not wanting to connect USB devices to my Hima. Instead I'm wanting to connect multiple SDIO cards at the same time (e.g. Wifi, Memory and GPS). The link I supplied showed how this was done on another pda via an aweful hack of the hardware. It seemed to work (albeit messy and probably not very robust) so I'm trying to see if there is a product or procedure out there which will work for our Hima's.
Suggestions so far have been to use a miniSD adapter to help bring the SDIO contacts out from inside the Hima (hnce hosting a splitter connection), strip a muliple card reader to donate card hardware or try to utilise the other I/O connections that the backpack uses. All of this is beyond my scope so I'm seeing if anyone else has contemplated adding more than 1 SDIO card to their hima simultaneously.
My analogy was to refer to a PC's ability with only one USB port to use multiple USB devices simultaneously via a USB hub. I'm not looking to attached USB devices to my Hima.
Any thoughts on the multi-SDIO idea?
Regards - Mallow1
any luck yet?
Hi Mallow,
I understand your question and I am also looking for a way to extend the number of sdio slots on my Acer N35. About a year ago I found such an sdio hub. Unfortunately I cannot find it anymore.
I hope you found a solution. I am very interested.
Regards,
Steve.
Mallow1 said:
Hi Rudegar,
Thanks for the reply but I think you miss understand me. did you follow the link embedded in the "mod" text in my post above?
I'm not wanting to connect USB devices to my Hima. Instead I'm wanting to connect multiple SDIO cards at the same time (e.g. Wifi, Memory and GPS). The link I supplied showed how this was done on another pda via an aweful hack of the hardware. It seemed to work (albeit messy and probably not very robust) so I'm trying to see if there is a product or procedure out there which will work for our Hima's.
Suggestions so far have been to use a miniSD adapter to help bring the SDIO contacts out from inside the Hima (hnce hosting a splitter connection), strip a muliple card reader to donate card hardware or try to utilise the other I/O connections that the backpack uses. All of this is beyond my scope so I'm seeing if anyone else has contemplated adding more than 1 SDIO card to their hima simultaneously.
My analogy was to refer to a PC's ability with only one USB port to use multiple USB devices simultaneously via a USB hub. I'm not looking to attached USB devices to my Hima.
Any thoughts on the multi-SDIO idea?
Regards - Mallow1
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Ok, I just ordered a 32GB USB Flash Drive.
Some people report that the Athena recognizes some flash drives so I was thinking...why not remove the MD and take apart the 32GB flash drive and put it inside the Athena. Then solder the USB pins together internally so the USB drive is always connected internally to the device?
I haven't really put serious thought into this but wanted to run it past everyone and those hardware experts to see what every ways.
I have yet to look up the MD power requirements and compare those to the USB power requirements. Either way, if it's recognized it could mean a real upgrade to the device and we could always write a simple program to enable/disable the USB drive if power consumption is too great.
Your thoughts people on this?
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After further thinking I see four obvious obstacles:
- Stripping down the 32GB USB drive so it fits in the device in place of the MD. I'm hoping this isn't that big of an issue but then again I have no idea what i'm talking about. LOL
- 1 have to make sure the Athena recognizes the 32GB USB drive.
- Power Consumption as mentioned above, which might be overcome by utilizing a utility of some sort.
- Since the Athena requires the USB Host cable/adapter to make things like this work, there might need to be some type of mod internally to make this happen. I talking to someone with more knowledge of USB pin outs might help in this area.
-- EDIT: Olipro mentioned that this is most likely a non-issue. That the USB adapter just makes the USB connection a large one so the internal wiring I'm thinking about shouldn't be a problem. This is great news. One obstacle out of the way. Don't you love progress!
ltxda said:
Ok, I just ordered a 32GB USB Flash Drive.
Some people report that the Athena recognizes some flash drives so I was thinking...why not remove the MD and take apart the 32GB flash drive and put it inside the Athena. Then solder the USB pins together internally so the USB drive is always connected internally to the device?
I haven't really put serious thought into this but wanted to run it past everyone and those hardware experts to see what every ways.
I have yet to look up the MD power requirements and compare those to the USB power requirements. Either way, if it's recognized it could mean a real upgrade to the device and we could always write a simple program to enable/disable the USB drive if power consumption is too great.
Your thoughts people on this?
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After further thinking I see four obvious obstacles:
- Stripping down the 32GB USB drive so it fits in the device in place of the MD. I'm hoping this isn't that big of an issue but then again I have no idea what i'm talking about. LOL
- 1 have to make sure the Athena recognizes the 32GB USB drive.
- Power Consumption as mentioned above, which might be overcome by utilizing a utility of some sort.
- Since the Athena requires the USB Host cable/adapter to make things like this work, there might need to be some type of mod internally to make this happen. I talking to someone with more knowledge of USB pin outs might help in this area.
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hehe u know im always behind ur crazy ideas. lets get this to work!
possible incompatibilities of it not detecting the microdrive but should be able to be fixed by software
possibly will need to integrate usb host controller chip and wires inside as well
make sure not to screw up the charger either =p
but other than that it sounds good
Hi, for information: Athena Servicemanual says you need 3 things to replace if you disassemble your device (On-Off Key, CommManager Key and some rubbers).
So if you really get the USB-Flash running then you'll get problems putting everything together again.
I think you'll get errors because the G-Sensor doesn't detect any Microdrive. (maybe freeze or reset or some other issues?). Maybe you have to shorten the G-Sensor somehow. This will need people who own the original plan of the device and also know how to get information out of it.
But great idea!
Ok, just found out that the host adapter just changes the plug to a larger USB plug. So the wiring should be a piece of cake. Let's keep this going...before you know it the team won't have only brought you a great ROM but also provide a way to have a 32GB Athena and storage you no longer have to worry about and with no moving parts!!!
PAPPL said:
Hi, for information: Athena Servicemanual says you need 3 things to replace if you disassemble your device (On-Off Key, CommManager Key and some rubbers).
So if you really get the USB-Flash running then you'll get problems putting everything together again.
I think you'll get errors because the G-Sensor doesn't detect any Microdrive. (maybe freeze or reset or some other issues?). Maybe you have to shorten the G-Sensor somehow. This will need people who own the original plan of the device and also know how to get information out of it.
But great idea!
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Thanks for your feedback. I also think this may work and if not with the drive I've ordered with some other USB. I've seen USB devices as small is a dime so this should work. I'll be happy to purchase a bunch of USB drives to see which work. I probably would like anyone with an Athena and a USB drive to test what they have and post the results.
For the record I ordered a Corsair Survivor 32GB USB Flash Drive model CMFUSBSRVR-32GB.
I think there was a group of people(I couldn't remember who exactly) who already dismantled their athena when it came out to see which micro drives in the market is compatible with the one installed in the athena. I suggest we find the post first before and read through their findings. There might be something there that may help with this project.
If I remember it correctly, there was even a host of pictures and instructions in dismantling the Athena.
I just couldn't remember other details because I was just browsing around and never thought of owning an athena.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=303188
Something I found about USB Drives and the Athena
Wikipedia claims microdrives use more power then flash drives:
"consume more power than flash memory (on the order of 190mA, peak 310mA, at 3.3V) "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microdrive
Good luck to you this would be cool.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298987
HDs that work with the athena
What about a 72GB solid state drive?
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/07/hands-on-with-sandisks-72gb-ssd-and-friends/
eaglesteve said:
What about a 72GB solid state drive?
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/07/hands-on-with-sandisks-72gb-ssd-and-friends/
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Let`s keep this a short term, realistic and affordable goal. ;-p
USB storage is cheap, easily modified, compatible as it`s already recognized by the device both by the software and USB host capabilities of the device board, etc. Also, those drives aren`t yet available and I doubt people will want to spend over $800usd on them for Athena. No?
Well, IMHO there's two alternatives for such a modification:
1 - either use the ATA connection of the micro-drive with the 32 GB pendrive. Adapters exist, wiring should be tricky due to the size requirements (everything has to fit into the space usually used by the micro-drive);
2 - connect permanently the 32 GB USB pen-drive to the USB port. Removal of the micro-drive is in that case optional, maybe in order to make room.
The problem with the second option is that I am pretty sure this will screw-up USB slave connections, and more specifically ActiveSync. Altough, true, one can Sync through Bluetooth.
Two problems with the first alternative:
- G-Sensor, without a md, will no work anymore. BUT it can be disabled in a software manner, so that's no big issue aside from the fact that we won't be able to "tilt'n scroll";
- finding a compatible USB / ATA adapter (those are known to be... "capricious").
I find the first alternative much sexier, personnally... And it DOES get me thinking.
Why not just use one of theose new 16 or 32GB MicroSD/Transflash, or whatever the hell there called cards, just released at CES.. It would save ya
lots of work, and you wouldn't have to crack the Advantage open.
Yep, that's also being discussed on the forum.
But I do agree that having solid-state 32 GB instead of mechanical 8 GB in my Athena would suit me just fine.
Jointly with a 32 GB SDHC card, of course.
:-D lol
I currently have the 8GB SDHC....of course I'm going to buy the 16 and then the 32 as soon as they come out and I can get my hands on it...but my goal here is to replace the MD. After thinking it through even further, we could even setup an internal type of mechanism so as USB drives become larger and cheaper, we could just pop out the old and pop in the new thus continuing to increase the internal storage of our devices.
Maybe I'm just dreaming but replacing the MD seems to be a goal that we can achieve quickly and cost effectively. We've had the discussion of getting larger MD's...but always ran into obstacles we probably couldn't overcome. They are releasing large SSD's but we may have to mod the internal connection, etc. With the USB idea, the connection exists, compatibility is there, and it's very feasible. I'm just excited. LOL
HeartOfDarkness said:
Well, IMHO there's two alternatives for such a modification:
1 - either use the ATA connection of the micro-drive with the 32 GB pendrive. Adapters exist, wiring should be tricky due to the size requirements (everything has to fit into the space usually used by the micro-drive);
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I'm thinking more simplistic. Take out the MD and dock it connect to. This frees up some space. Strip down USB drive as much as possible and hope that it fits some way into the device. If it fits, we can mount it in there in a number of ways. Solder 4 wires from USB drive to USB host interface on the board. Write some software to control (activate/deactivate aka mount/dismount) the USB drive and see how it goes.
2 - connect permanently the 32 GB USB pen-drive to the USB port. Removal of the micro-drive is in that case optional, maybe in order to make room.
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Not sure what you mean exactly but...I want the USB drive to be internal. Of course I could get some velcro and stick a 32GB USB drive to the back of my Athena, etc...but that would just be ugly.
You also need the USB host cable to do this unless you want to solder wires and run them from the outside of the device to the inside USB host pins. Let me know if I got the wrong picture here.
The problem with the second option is that I am pretty sure this will screw-up USB slave connections, and more specifically ActiveSync. Altough, true, one can Sync through Bluetooth.
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You bring up a very good point. I'm going to have to take my 4-in-1 cable and try to run a small USB drive while trying to ActiveSync. I wonder if that will still work. If it fails, the mod I'm proposing may cause a problem with ActiveSync connections. Anyone else have comments and/or ideas on this?
Two problems with the first alternative:
- G-Sensor, without a md, will no work anymore. BUT it can be disabled in a software manner, so that's no big issue aside from the fact that we won't be able to "tilt'n scroll";
- finding a compatible USB / ATA adapter (those are known to be... "capricious").
I find the first alternative much sexier, personnally... And it DOES get me thinking.
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I'm hoping we can do it without any adapters. Just straight soldering of the 4 USB wires needed to communicate. Should suffice. I found that I don't really use nor need the G-Sensor on the MD. For sure can be disabled in the ROM. The Athena Project team would just have to make a Special Edition ROM for those that do the mod.
I posted a few weeks ago about a SSD that Intel will be releasing soon. I believe it will be a drop-in replacement for the existing drive.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=352834
techntrek said:
I posted a few weeks ago about a SSD that Intel will be releasing soon. I believe it will be a drop-in replacement for the existing drive.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=352834
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I actually read that thread a little while ago. Do you know when it will be released and how fast they will get up to larger drives like 8, 16, 32, etc. GB's?
ia ctually dont think you will run into active sync problems...
reason being i remember a special cable that came with my friends hermes that split the usb port into two
one for charging and one for syncing...
so i think if we disable the flash drive when syncing it should be fine
I stumbled on this:
http://www.spectec.com.tw/wlan.htm
Just wanted to know if it is worth it/works good.
I've used the mini version on another phone. It worked pretty good. Unfortunately, it looks like the micro card is longer then a normal card, so the startrek wouldn't have room for it.
Built-in SD can not be used!
That card is too long!
My English is not good!
there is a possibility...
first you have to make sure the port on the startrek is SDIO capable - if it is it looks possible with a little judicious cutting (dremel or something like that) that there is enough room between the battery and the sd port for the WIFI card to fit.
You would need to be *very* careful as there are components under that raised panel and you would also need to talk to a supplier of said card for its exact dimensions.
anyone game to try it?
Jemma xx
Very interesting.
Hey guys, for ages now I've been looking at ways to wirelessly, or at least cleanly upgrading storage on the DNA, considering it has no SD card port, and I've been trying to stay away from Wi-Fi SD card readers considering that I know that if I'm on the road, I wouldn't be able to use internet considering that if I'm connected to the Wi-Fi SD card reader's hotspot, then I'd lose connectivity from LTE.
But, this product here interests me, http://www.kingston.com/us/wireless/wireless_readers#mlwg2 I saw some videos of it on Youtube playing back 4K videos instantaneously on an HTC One M7 with no lag, quality degrading, or anything(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUGSKHQvtyU#t=332), it seems like a really nice product for storing music, hotswapping roms and what not, but, problem is, would there be any way for someone to actually download stuff to it like an actual means of storage?
I know about OTG cables and flash drives, I already have one of those, but I don't want to have this cable just dangling out of my phone as I'm gaming(assuming you can install apps to OTG storage) or listening to music. My question is, is there anyway to get these types of products to show up as ACTUAL SD Card storage in Settings? Or maybe there's some type of bluetooth SD card reader or so that could do so?
If not..my last resort is to actually use one of these things, but another problem is being away from Wi-Fi again. Is there any type of Xposed Module or anything of that nature that I can use to be connected to WiFi, but to use LTE connection instead? Thanks for reading and responses.
Hi everyone and thanks in advance to anyone who can help me!
I hate to be one of those people who asks what might be stupid questions without having any technical expertise. But yeah, I'm pretty clueless and have never really gotten into the inner workings of smart phones. I never really required much from phones before, so I've never had any real issues that bugged me. Some setting-up-the-scenario info: Since I started seeing info about this phone, I was really intrigued - mainly because of its music capabilities, which is what supposedly sets it apart from the rest. I read and heard SO many good things about it, and I've never had a portable music player work as well as I thought it should. So I took the plunge without having the disposable cash to actually buy a new one. I got a "renewed" one from the big A, and even though it was advertised as a T-Mobile version (which is the carrier I use), I received the AT&T version. It works fine on T-Mobile so I'm ok with it despite the AT&T software on it. The phone works well and is in great condition. But this issue I'm having is frustrating me, and I don't think it's carrier-specific (though I know the different versions can have different limitations on what can be done with them).
Here is the issue, and some of what I've dealt with in trying to research and solve it... Whether using the headphone jack (with or without enabling the DAC) or using Bluetooth or the phone's built-in speakers, songs will skip, stutter, stop and start over, move on to another song and then go back to the previous song, then stop and play an entirely different song. Sometimes it will just put out a string of noise for a second like it's on super fast-forward at a painfully loud volume. Some songs will never play properly, which could be a corrupt file issue, but others will often be fine and only mess up occasionally. None of them seem to be immune to it. This is a problem I'd say 80-90% of the time.
I have a lot of music, and I have it all on an SD card. It's a recent, higher quality SD (Samsung or the like) that's 128 GB. I prefer it that way since I don't want to fill up the phone's storage space. I've seen some posts online about this kind of issue on other phones, but not much usable info. Searching here didn't bring any results. One person with a different phone found a fix by moving his music app to the SD card as well, but alas that doesn't seem to be possible with this phone as there seems to be no way to change the download location to the SD card and I can't move the app from the phone's location for it. I've seen info (for other phones) about using the phone to reformat the SD card as "internal storage" to bypass that, but this phone only formats an SD card to be usable for multiple devices and not as part of the phone's internal storage. I'm in the process of trying to copy all of the music files to the phone's internal storage to see if that helps, but it's far from ideal for me and it's taking forever. I will update if it makes a difference, but I really don't want to do it this way because I won't have room for anything else. I guess if anything it might clue me in to whether the card itself has problems, but I'm optimistically doubtful about that. And maybe once I have the files copied I can reformat the SD card with the phone again, retransfer the files and see if that helps. Also doubtful but maybe? Also, the phone will only transfer the files using the Google files app - not the LG files app. Kind of odd, but whatever.
Oh, and I don't have the dual screen, so that wouldn't be a factor in this (if it could have been).
My questions then are:
1. Has anyone dealt with or heard about this music playing problem, and have any ideas about fixing it?
2. Does anyone know how to change the download location on this phone to the SD card?
I'm super frustrated because I really want to like this phone, and so far other than having generally better sound and being a little faster and nicer to look at I was almost just as happy with the crappy old cheap Huawei I had before. Any help would be much appreciated!
It seems to be an audio player problem rather than a phone issue. Try black player, it works very well with all the V serie, had it on the V20, have it on my V60. And its one of the best and good lookin' player in theplay store. The basic version is free and is fully fonctionnal so you can try it and if it does not resolve your issue, desintall it.
Thanks for your reply. I'm not having any luck and I'm thinking it's either just a lousy phone despite all the great reviews out there, or maybe the AT&T version is what's lousy. I pulled out the SD card and loaded a bunch of music directly onto the phone and sill have the problem. I tried Black Player (which I like), and the problem happened on the first song I played and has happened quite a bit since then too. The files are a mix of formats, all higher-quality, and format doesn't seem to make a difference on whether the issues arise or not. Don't know what else to do.