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I'm not discrediting DG in any way, but does anyone think that these leaks for various Galaxy devices were put out by AT&T to the dev scene to find the bugs that aren't spotted in the internal test group.
Maybe we are THE test group, or at least a test group?
hopefully!
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Actually thats exactly what i think...but its a good thing because the majority of the people on the boards are probably better than the shmucks they have to test with
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I know if I was an OEM dev I would follow these forums and CM development pretty closely.
To spot bugs/wants and maybe snipe some talent.
What diff does it make.
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If that's what's happening then its a win win for everyone. The dev community is happy and att can save some cash and get better testing on a large user base.
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I was thinking the samething yesterday. It has to be. Why wouldn't u the development in these forums are way better. We are pretty much R&D for them. It makes their job that much easier.
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Also, anyone that bricks their phone in the process has voided their warranty, so there is no monetary loss on AT&T/Samsung's end.
korngames said:
I'm not discrediting DG in any way, but does anyone think that these leaks for various Galaxy devices were put out by AT&T to the dev scene to find the bugs that aren't spotted in the internal test group.
Maybe we are THE test group, or at least a test group?
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makes sense to me
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I'm expecting a simultaneous ICS rollout across all eligible Samsung devices on AT&T.
This is not the case...
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Maybe we are THE test group, or at least a test group?
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so what?
We are the guinea pigs but Its ok because we got to taste ICS and its yummy!
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
Even if we are a 'test group' that at&t envisioned, and this ICS leak turns out to be basically flawless for most of us, I still wouldn't be surprised to see at&t take forever to do an OTA for this.
OP reads too much into it. Leaks like this is nothing new. We've got many leaks back in Captivate days. Some by Samfirmware.com, some by DesignGears and Some by Chainfire.
It's doesn't mean AT&T is using us to test drive it (imagine all the supporting cost involved if someone bricked the phone by un-successfully flashing the new firmware). It doesn't mean an official release is immenent either. I got Captivate GB leak installed on my Captivate back in Aug. 2011 and yet the offiical GB wasn't released until Feb. 2012.
Rememeber, all the leaks are full ROM. You are not going to keep your existing app and data. Official releases are always upgrades where you get to keep all your apps, settings and data. Such upgrades are never leaked out, only the full ROM.
The man has a source.. Not some random decision by ATT to just hand out beta builds. If it weren't for dg and his people we'd probably still be waiting months for ICS.
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Was going to say... I know that DG speaks the truth there. I dont think samsung is leaking this on purpose for us to test. These are real leaks
Just happy they are here.
I believe these "leaks" are done on purpose. They can only test these things in a lab or on test equipment so much. Companies like AT&T and Samsung need people like us using our phones in the real world for our day to day things to see how good they work. They then read these forums to see what people say about what does and does not work then take that to their labs to "fix". They may not participate in these forums but they do lurk here.
korngames said:
does anyone think that these leaks for various Galaxy devices were put out by AT&T to the dev scene to find the bugs that aren't spotted in the internal test group.
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This wouldn't be the first time. This happened more than you guys think. And it's not necessarily a bad thing either.
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How did ics turn into a conspiracy theory? Does this subject have a point? What is the goal here? Listen we've got Ics to build on... Let's encourage our developers to do just that by not taking shots at them like this...
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tyler79durdan said:
... Let's encourage our developers to do just that by not taking shots at them like this...
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Wtf? What the HELL are you talking about?
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Guys... the development of our phones is coming to an end... we have less and less developers everyday and I don't think I'm good enough to develop anything decent my self.... we need to find people to develop and fast if the future of our phones is to be a bright one....
I agree with you... but I think maybe is time to other people (including us), learn some more and keep doing a nice job. Not as great as some developers I guess, but someone has to do the work. I know, its hard, but what we can do if not is change our phones
Awesome devs, don't leave us hehe.
i agree too. i am learning c++ as i want to compile a ics kernel for our ics roms.
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Yeah, I'm currently attempting to build a rom. (it boots and works almost as well as hephappy's last build) I'm trying to hack omx in. It's very difficult :/ and I haven't had much luck so far.
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i agree too. i am learning c++ as i want to compile a ics kernel for our ics roms.
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Learning C++ doesn't help you to build kernel.... learn C
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Learning C++ doesn't help you to build kernel.... learn C
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i am learning both
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learning programming languages is only needed to understand syntax..rest..code is all of understanding..wat it does
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gymfreak7855 said:
Yeah, I'm currently attempting to build a rom. (it boots and works almost as well as hephappy's last build) I'm trying to hack omx in. It's very difficult :/ and I haven't had much luck so far.
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you cant hack omx..we dont have api's for msm7x227..we need to find a workaround
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williamcharles said:
you cant hack omx..
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I'm feeling like one more week waiting answer from Qualcomm and I will try to do that too >_<
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i am learning both
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Actually i don't learn anything right now... i just know some C....
This is just my two cents worth:
Take a look at the Android Development section. There are many budding developers with their themed roms oh, I mean heavily tweaked and modded roms out there. I'm not sure about the rest of you but I feel that this is simply wonderful. Its a good opportunity for beginners to learn more and serve the online community here. I'm sure in 5/10 years time down the road, some of us will look back and say "Hey the Optimus One was the Android phone that got me so interested into developing and look at much I've learned" or "It was my Optimus One phone that made me love Android".
So alright, our phone isn't considered a legacy device (yet, of course hopefully never) so hang on in there I love my O1!
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Well...I think the developers are enough to build an stable version of ics.For GB,we already have Oxygen which is amazing..or neko's rom if you like some changed graphics.If we'll have stable ICS...I don't think we can request something else from them.Even like this,I'm happy with Oxygen.
The thing is that o1 gets older and older,and resources are very limited.600 mhz...just saying.
The developers will upgrade to better phones.
This phone...I think it was it the top when it comes to developrs support.It was a cheap phone with good performances at that time.Now games,versions of android,apps,all request more resources and in time this phone won't be able to offer enough.
Probably this phone was a challenge for most of developers.We wouldn't have so many roms if this would have...a 1.4 ghz / dual core processor and this stuff.
Don't worry my friends,in time we'll upgrade our phones too.And for most of us,this phone was "first love" ...and you know what they say,you will never forget your "first love"
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This is just my two cents worth:
Take a look at the Android Development section. There are many budding developers with their themed roms oh, I mean heavily tweaked and modded roms out there. I'm not sure about the rest of you but I feel that this is simply wonderful. Its a good opportunity for beginners to learn more and serve the online community here. I'm sure in 5/10 years time down the road, some of us will look back and say "Hey the Optimus One was the Android phone that got me so interested into developing and look at much I've learned" or "It was my Optimus One phone that made me love Android".
So alright, our phone isn't considered a legacy device (yet, of course hopefully never) so hang on in there I love my O1!
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> very well said.. great words from you.. ur absolutely right.
o1
you realize that this phone is 2 years old and most developers have switched to nexus devices.
you realize this will never have an official update ever again
you realize this has an armv6 processor
you realize that we have reached a "glass ceiling" for now maybe quallcomm will be nice or someone comes up with a workaround or we can get a leak
you realize that this phone has no official flash support
you realize that we have an HVGA display
thats why so many devs are leaving and or moving to another phone IE. Nexus
so many devs went to the nexus, franco, milk, bok, dax\
im new here
lupohirp_jr said:
you realize that this phone is 2 years old and most developers have switched to nexus devices.
you realize this will never have an official update ever again
you realize this has an armv6 processor
you realize that we have reached a "glass ceiling" for now maybe quallcomm will be nice or someone comes up with a workaround or we can get a leak
you realize that this phone has no official flash support
you realize that we have an HVGA display
thats why so many devs are leaving and or moving to another phone IE. Nexus
so many devs went to the nexus, franco, milk, bok, dax\
im new here
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DafuQ?
Whats with your Username??
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RockR172 said:
DafuQ?
Whats with your Username??
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haha... lupo junior lol
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This is just my two cents worth:
Bla, bla, bla...
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That isn't development^^
I'd really like to change my Optimus One for a better phone but I really can't spend lot of money for a phone. Android 4 is beautiful but set a LOT of devices apart. Now Android looks like something for the few. I still have to understand what should I do with a dual/quad core phone: my Optimus One is old, armv6, 600mhz but I can still use it with Lightbox, Twitter, FB, G+, gstrings, Maps, Endomondo and a lot of apps with no much lags (and I didn't overlock). I hope Tizen or especially Boot 2 Gecko will be good enough to revive not-so-incredibly-old phones like ours. Android is fantastic but it's going too fast.
this phone is 2 years old
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Lolz, 2 years is such a lotta time My previous phone was 6 years old till I changed it. I bought my O1 last autumn. 6 months is really looong, so I think I gotta buy newer one
I switched to HTC one v but unfortunately there's nothing in development section like O1 has I luv my O1 I'll never forget my first Android phone which was our beloved O1.....
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ok so i have 2 S1 phones and 2 S3 phones. i loved the S1 and has been great to me and i bought the S3's because they are power houses BUT its not comforatble to me and i like the S2 look and feel and size of it is just righ tto me and i know that with so many differnt types which would be best??
i live in the UK so basicly im looking for what you guys thing will be the best version of the S2 to get. i dont play any games on phone, well i have unblock me for times when im bored but mostly its internet surfing, personal money tracking and emails.
anyhow if oyu could haev any S2 which version would you get and Y?? thanks guys/girls
I would say the 9100 is the best variant.
It has a great development section and is a great device
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The i9100
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get the I9100P if you are interest in using the NFC feature in the future.
otherwise the international version is fine.
It truly Depends...
What you need and in what u are interested...
Like SGS II X and HD LTE have greater Hardware... But i9100 have best development support
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http://m.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/sony-xperia-z-1119637/review?src=rss&attr=all
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I just can't wait to buy it...i really think that is gonna be one of the top 3 smartphones of the year.
Here, I want it!!
But I think it won't be cheap...
The hardware is amazing and it's waterproof.
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Xperia z.. Wooh 2 gb ram man.. It ll b the best of all xperias and a renowned flagship from sony. Waiting for it..
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I think it won't be launching in India atleast till June end or so ie post Jelly bean upgrade to all current Xperias!
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It will be equal to an iPhone price in india.. Tax..
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I am definitely not going to buy a sony again.
This time...Samsung.
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U ll regret samsung for sony. Samsung arghhh
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unisol107 said:
I am definitely not going to buy a sony again.
This time...Samsung.
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Go for flagship only in samsung otherwise u won't get anything
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I agree!
Samsung updates only its High -end devices like S3 or Note2 ,etc!
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varunrocks17 said:
Go for flagship only in samsung otherwise u won't get anything
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Bro...why would i migrate from one mid-range to another? If i have to retire my neoV...wont i buy an upgraded phone? Note 2 is my desired phone...and by the time i would be able to spend 35-40k...there would be another samsung flagship in market...so am just waiting.
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Lolz. I bet ull hate samsung. Nd xperia devices jst rock. Although service centres r irritating ones nd ppl der r dumb, bt xperia phones have caliber of dng everything a smartphone can do, example take galaxy s2 it has much better processor then neo v but its stl on ics that also 4.0.3. I guess it was a high end phone. samsung updates only its new flagships asap by d tym u buy note 2 , note 3 will b in market or s4.. Then ur note 2 will stay on jb no longer updates if dey come they ll come rarely. Nd ace plus same processor like neo v and samsung promises jb for it. I wonder hw it ll support jb..
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unisol107 said:
Bro...why would i migrate from one mid-range to another? If i have to retire my neoV...wont i buy an upgraded phone? Note 2 is my desired phone...and by the time i would be able to spend 35-40k...there would be another samsung flagship in market...so am just waiting.
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Then proceed bro......
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Then proceed bro......
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Okk...if you guys say so...i will think about it.
Actually the thing is...updates to a newer android version don't matter if your hardware can't handle it good...what matters is the current firmware should be so refined to exploit the phone's resources at its best...what's the point of adding new features when the basic functionality is suffering.
In our case...our device lacks ram and is single cored...let's put aside the core thing...it simply struggles for ram in ICS and JB. And whatever hardwork teams like cyanogenmod may put into it...they can't provide full functionality that OEM provides...so in my opinion...maintainance updates are much significant...as they bring to you a better phone...not just a new interface with crippled functionality.
You may add various tweaks and improve the firmware to your liking...but the overall experience will not be as the OEM intended to be.
The precis is...even if a manufacturer doesn't update to the latest android version...it provides maintainance updates which are crucial...and samsung does it...and besides the updates...its phones are already loaded with functionality...and a phone with quad-core cpu and 2gb ram is more than sufficient unless one intends to carry a PC in his pocket...which is always thethered to the power outlet.
And the complains about exynos...they have been acknowledged by samsung.
And those who say Sony has ditched 2011 devices...sony has already supported us for long to the extent our devices can handle...it gave us ICS despite the limited resources our device has. And being a global company...it too has to survive. It has to concentrate on the competition. Accusing it of abandoning us is totally unfair. There was no lifetime commitment sony had signed with you...you bought the device and sony supported it as long as the device needed it.
Dont think of me as an advocate for sony...i am simply pointing to the fact that whatever firmware is on the phone...it should be perfect in utilizing phone's resources...not a burden on the phone's head.
Pheeewwwww..........sorry...too long a debate.
These are only my views...those who differ in opinion...simply ignore.
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Okk...if you guys say so...i will think about it.
Actually the thing is...updates to a newer android version don't matter if your hardware can't handle it good...what matters is the current firmware should be so refined to exploit the phone's resources at its best...what's the point of adding new features when the basic functionality is suffering.
In our case...our device lacks ram and is single cored...let's put aside the core thing...it simply struggles for ram in ICS and JB. And whatever hardwork teams like cyanogenmod may put into it...they can't provide full functionality that OEM provides...so in my opinion...maintainance updates are much significant...as they bring to you a better phone...not just a new interface with crippled functionality.
You may add various tweaks and improve the firmware to your liking...but the overall experience will not be as the OEM intended to be.
The precis is...even if a manufacturer doesn't update to the latest android version...it provides maintainance updates which are crucial...and samsung does it...and besides the updates...its phones are already loaded with functionality...and a phone with quad-core cpu and 2gb ram is more than sufficient unless one intends to carry a PC in his pocket...which is always thethered to the power outlet.
And the complains about exynos...they have been acknowledged by samsung.
And those who say Sony has ditched 2011 devices...sony has already supported us for long to the extent our devices can handle...it gave us ICS despite the limited resources our device has. And being a global company...it too has to survive. It has to concentrate on the competition. Accusing it of abandoning us is totally unfair. There was no lifetime commitment sony had signed with you...you bought the device and sony supported it as long as the device needed it.
Dont think of me as an advocate for sony...i am simply pointing to the fact that whatever firmware is on the phone...it should be perfect in utilizing phone's resources...not a burden on the phone's head.
Pheeewwwww..........sorry...too long a debate.
These are only my views...those who differ in opinion...simply ignore.
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Bro with ICS and jb only ram is problem n if u don't mind your sd's life then i have made a thread to expand ram up to 80 mb.If u wan u can try it
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varunrocks17 said:
Bro with ICS and jb only ram is problem n if u don't mind your sd's life then i have made a thread to expand ram up to 80 mb.If u wan u can try it
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Thanks mate...i have already read your thread...and before that i have tried swap on system of about 150mb...multitasking becomes awsome but whatever media you use for swap...be it SDcard/nand...its life degrades eventually.
And i am not that well off to replace my card every 4months...and not to mention the terrible performance hit when the trade over takes place.
Thats why zram is better.
And i think any ram size below 1gb is inadequate for android 4+.
We have cast away from the thread's topic...my apologies guys...continue the original topic.
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Android 5.0 beta is starting to gettin out. Who would like to have it on cooper too? For people that dont know is name: Android KeyLime Pie (Dont know acronim but think will be KP). For our Ace and many other phones KP only will reach us by CyanogenMod 11 (because according to rumors and a quite of logic letter K is 11th on alphabeth).
Xpectating OldDroid or Bieltv.3 start working on it too.
Good luck for them.
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Android 5 hasn't been announced yet
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Yes it is google it
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No. They're just rumours. Google are yet to properly announce it
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It will be out between may 15th an may 17th according to rumors
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It will be out between may 15th an may 17th according to the announce
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Show us a link which says Google had announced it
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Funniest part is 5.0 point 1 :laugh:
Okay.
OP is absolutely clueless.
Jumper62 you're right about rumors I understood that wrong xD but its a start
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if so, i will start definietly working xD
Maybe the 15h is my birthday xD well google that will be the best present ^^
Wow. How will it be android 5.0 in galaxy ace?
Sorry for my english. I am from Spain, xD
They are probably gonna release it on the upcoming Google I/O.
Lets keep our fingers crossed.
Ahahhahhh thats really a good present
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They are probably gonna release it on the upcoming Google I/O.
Lets keep our fingers crossed.
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I hope so .
Android 5.0 key lime pie is predicted to arrive by this October to a new nexus device ( they say Google's next nexus will be in cohesion with the Motorola ). Anyways, it's all prediction. You'll never know anything until it's actually released ! What if android gets cloud backup as icloud in Apple ? Backup all your game data, music, pictures, etc and restore things back on new firmware...! Anytime, anywhere ! But for time being, just dream of it running smooth on ace, be satisfied with 4.2 ! Sad to see pioneers like wayland stop development Can anyone else make it ?! Who knows....?!
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Thats assuming it can work on our device, ACE is already under a big strain running ICS/JB, if the new android is as much a jump as ICS was from GB, we might not actually be able to see it on our phones ever.
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Thats assuming it can work on our device, ACE is already under a big strain running ICS/JB, if the new android is as much a jump as ICS was from GB, we might not actually be able to see it on our phones ever.
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But they still got ics running on ace, didn't they ?! You can never predict what's coming next on the ace forums As far as I'm concerned, our ace forum is one of the busiest ( may be the busiest ! ) and the most active forum ! Our developers are not really developers, they are rock stars !!! Anyways, are developments for nexus 4 and galaxy s2 better than that for ace ? I think these are the only 2 phones that may surpass the magnitude of development in ace.
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Our devs are the best and the most buziest of all times i think
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I agree, those guys are rockstars, nexus 4 and S2 forums devs don't exactly get such challenging jobs because they already have a good enough hardware available, but given the hardware limitations in our phone, its really amazing what our developers have achieved so far.
But still, it was a pretty big jump on hardware requirement when they released ICS, if its the same with Key lime pie, its possible that its requirements would really be out of our reach. Its a 2 year old model after all, and with the rate the technology is evolving, our phone is pretty close to being called ancient.
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Android 5.0 key lime pie is predicted to arrive by this October to a new nexus device ( they say Google's next nexus will be in cohesion with the Motorola ). Anyways, it's all prediction. You'll never know anything until it's actually released ! What if android gets cloud backup as icloud in Apple ? Backup all your game data, music, pictures, etc and restore things back on new firmware...! Anytime, anywhere ! But for time being, just dream of it running smooth on ace, be satisfied with 4.2 ! Sad to see pioneers like wayland stop development Can anyone else make it ?! Who knows....?!
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basically the complete androidarmv6 team, and for samsung devices: me and erikcas, dont forget my friend marcin ^^