Hi everyone,
I've just had a word with O2 xda2 helpdesk and this is their concern towards WM2003SE!
"ANY UPGRADING ROM OTHER THAN THE ONE FROM MYXDA.COM WILL VOID THE WARRANTY OF YOUR XDA COMPLETELY!
This is no matter how new is your device (or just 1 day old only), once you flash it wif an unknown source rom, it will void your valuable local warranty of 1 year!!!
So I'm basically trapped in this situation.....(Just to remind those who intend to do the upgrade of WM2003SE). Nevertheless, you still can wait for the official launch of new rom from www.myxda.com in the 1st quarter of the year!
But if you cant stand the temptation like me, well this is the price to pay. From now on, any defect on the hardware, o2 will no longer give any warranty and i got to dig out my own pocket money.
Lets pray hard for nothing would happend to my device for 1 year.....
Re: Upgrade to WM2003SE will void your local warranty! BEWAR
wm2003SE said:
Hi everyone,
I've just had a word with O2 xda2 helpdesk and this is their concern towards WM2003SE!
"ANY UPGRADING ROM OTHER THAN THE ONE FROM MYXDA.COM WILL VOID THE WARRANTY OF YOUR XDA COMPLETELY!
This is no matter how new is your device (or just 1 day old only), once you flash it wif an unknown source rom, it will void your valuable local warranty of 1 year!!!
So I'm basically trapped in this situation.....(Just to remind those who intend to do the upgrade of WM2003SE). Nevertheless, you still can wait for the official launch of new rom from www.myxda.com in the 1st quarter of the year!
But if you cant stand the temptation like me, well this is the price to pay. From now on, any defect on the hardware, o2 will no longer give any warranty and i got to dig out my own pocket money.
Lets pray hard for nothing would happend to my device for 1 year.....
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Well can't you revert back to the previous rom?!?!?! bcz it's impossible that they will know what you've did unless you told them!
If you can upgrade, you can always downgrade before sending in... don't let those helpdesk people stop you... they are nonsense and knows nothign about their product.
Cheers to these guru here that helps solve most of the issue except hardware parts faulty.
I have tired downgraded from 1.72 to 1.60 vice-versa without any issue. So why bother about them.
Frankly speaking, I would never call their pathetic helpdesk... :roll:
i think most of us here knows that but nice warning anyway
if you're not on 1.06 bootloader, you can just downgrade your ROM and send it in for servicing anyway, they can't tell.
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RamX2 said:
Well can't you revert back to the previous rom?!?!?! bcz it's impossible that they will know what you've did unless you told them!
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Good try there. But by downgrading to 1.72WWE will also considered voiding the warranty. I tried to downgrade to 1.60Asia Rom but failed.
Unless someone can shed some light on how to downgrade it back to 1.60Asia Rom with 1.06 bootloader???
Anyway, the guy in o2 helpdesk said they know how to recognize whether the device is upgraded to any rom before. No way you can run away from them even though you don tell them....
Well, if you are so worried, you are welcome to pass me your device, I can exchange mine with you... :wink:
I can't say nothing but good luck to you my friend :wink:
notepad said:
Well, if you are so worried, you are welcome to pass me your device, I can exchange mine with you... :wink:
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Wow u really a nice bro....Well i'll exchange wif you once i detect any defect or hardware related problem. Is that what you mean?
:lol: Haha! sorry for being so sarcastic. No, i just wanted to remind those who considered the repercussions of upgrading your device if you got the bootloader 1.06.
Nevertheless, cheers on u guys (who owns below 1.06 bootloader). Congratulations! Life is about sharing not to put anyone in trouble!
BTW, how does one check the bootloader anyway? Oops.. forgotten about the clauses that I should only exchange workable device.. heheheh :lol:
notepad said:
BTW, how does one check the bootloader anyway? Oops.. forgotten about the clauses that I should only exchange workable device.. heheheh :lol:
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Good one :lol: lol I'm very glad that we are able to use the Se finally.
DUH! With all due respect, If you wanted to keep your warranty, i doubt if youd be here in xda-dev in the first place! :wink:
ANY upgrade / change to your device other than supplied & approced by the vendor (ie. O2, T-Mobile, Qtek, CDL, Orange and what have you) WILL POSSIBLY VOID WARRANTY.
Of course they will have to have a good story if they withdraw warranty following a app install, but what about unhiding/unlocking the ExtROM and not to mention upgrading os and/or radio stacks.
If you do not want to have any risk: Stay with the original ROM
If you want to have a working device: Upgrade to your liking BUT KEEP A DOWNGRADE PACKAGE / IMAGE AT HAND IN CASE YOU NEED TO RELY ON WARRANTY.
(which does not rescue you if you end up with a dead device)
Whats so different about the bootloader 1.06 anyway. i've upgraded from an 1.66wwe ->1.72wwe--> 2.02WWE then back an 1.72wwe, does that mean that my device will keep a record of my misadventures?
thanks
Pinoy dont worry the here in us they dont know what is new in our device.. my brother upgraded his device to SE then after a day, the vibra is not working then he went to brightpoint to fix it with warranty but still its free. hehehe..
Salaryman, pare have you tried to downgrade back to the 1.66?
i've read that warning quite some time ago.. I guess all of us HERE in this forum knows that.. 8)
Again ...cheers to the knowned and unknown "knights of shining stylus" AKA xda gurus.. they really gave us "working" apps for our device than the "buggy" warranty'd gizmo you're holding the first time.
SALAMAT dudes!
When I had my first XDA I used to have continous crashes where the unit would not charge, switch on until I left the battery out of it overnight at which point if I put it back in it would hard reset itself after the back up battery was emptied.
Returned it within 3 weeks they gave me a new one as they connect fix them where I bought it.
New one had same problem but less frequent.
I started searching the forums and came here and started learning about my unit.
Since my origial 1.66 version I have had 2 versions of 1.72 with my own cooked ext rom. And now am running 2.06 with 1.18 radio and a cooked ext rom.
I've ripped out anything to do with O2 on my unit and it is the most stable it has ever been.
Remember what we have is a Windows operating system which on non phone based pda's works efficiently and faultless. It wasn't till all the phone operators who think they know about software started messing with their customised cabs to make it look like theirs that windows becomes unstable.
I would not be surprised if the 2.06 from mystery man was leaked on purpose, as this is a common thing for large corporations to do if they know there is a problem with previously released operating systems and the manufacturers are not intending to release an upgrade in order to encourage the sale of new hardware.
Remember when your Himalaya unit messes up most people go these Windows Mobile devices are rubbish as this is the name that is embedded on the casings. I'm sure that Microsoft as a corporation are fully aware of this and it is generally in their interest to release more stable ROM's through forums like this.
It's funny how quickly a stable English ROM surfaced once translation started on the Chinese one.
Assuming you are not going to throw your unit at a wall, drop it in the toilet, run over it etc etc then the warranty is not really required. Worse case scenario I report it lost/stolen to my household insurance provider and get a brand new one! At which time I will quite happily rip the rom again
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... It's funny how quickly a stable English ROM surfaced once translation started on the Chinese one....
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Just to clarify slightly - I was working on the update I posted prior to the chinese ROM appearing. In fact the original image I used was months old and was not an installable package, but a memory dump. The mystery man update did appear after the Chinese ROM and was an installation package and therefore was probably posted by a person who thought 'well the chinese one is out officially, so what the heck' after a lot of pressure from pleading XDA II users on this forum
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Salaryman, pare have you tried to downgrade back to the 1.66?
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@mann2
Sorry but no, coz i didn't know how to back up my rom when i first upgraded to 1.72WWE. but i believe its possible.
If it were possible to revert to the 1.66, then problem solved!
Related
On http://www.pocketpc-club.nl/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23379&highlight=dangaard you can see that this user "basile" has gotten hold on a new 1.60.021 ROM Update from Dangaard Telecom, one of the distributors in Europe. It seems that they've seen in their logs that a lot of people were downloading it, and I didn't even get the chance to get a hold of it! So if someone has this version please upload it so everyone can experience the real 1.60 version
Send a e-mail to one of the moderators @ Xda-developers
The old version T-mobile 1.60.006 rom update can still be downloaded @ http://www.xda-developers.com/incoming/rom160wwe/.
Did we already mention that this board now takes up to 50 MB attachments?
roffa said:
On http://www.pocketpc-club.nl/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23379&highlight=dangaard you can see that this user "basile" has gotten hold on a new 1.60.021 ROM Update from Dangaard Telecom, one of the distributors in Europe. It seems that they've seen in their logs that a lot of people were downloading it, and I didn't even get the chance to get a hold of it! So if someone has this version please upload it so everyone can experience the real 1.60 version
Send a e-mail to one of the moderators @ Xda-developers
The old version T-mobile 1.60.006 rom update can still be downloaded @ http://www.xda-developers.com/incoming/rom160wwe/.
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The link has changed in: http://www.pocketpc-club.nl/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22462&highlight=qtek
bump
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(doesn't anyone have this version??)
I actually suspect that the new "Dangaard" Rom is not that interesting. The OS version offered in the package is 1.60.00, the Radio stack is 1.06.1, so both are the same as the T-Mobile upgrade. Only the extended Rom is different (1.60.21 instead of 1.60.06).
Aside from that, all non-qtek devices will encounter the Country ID error, thus preventing the upgrade.
Yes, but i have a Qtek 2020 DK ver. and i would really like that upgrade. I was thinking about writing to user "basile" in the other forum, but maybee some of you people speaking Dutch, could do that
Rgds
Torben
Gtot said:
Yes, but i have a Qtek 2020 DK ver. and i would really like that upgrade. I was thinking about writing to user "basile" in the other forum, but maybee some of you people speaking Dutch, could do that
Rgds
Torben
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I tried but "basile" isn't replying at all...
@ wiz : still, it's nice to have a version without all the t-mobile stuff in your extended rom.
@Roffa: I use the T-Mobile ROM without all the T-Mobile extensions. Simple, after a hard reset, soft reset it at the "3 seconds before customization" screen, customization will not take place anymore. After that, enable the Extended Rom and point and click only the cabs you wish to install .... In my XDA II the word T-Mobile can't even be found in the registry
Wiz said:
I actually suspect that the new "Dangaard" Rom is not that interesting. The OS version offered in the package is 1.60.00, the Radio stack is 1.06.1, so both are the same as the T-Mobile upgrade. Only the extended Rom is different (1.60.21 instead of 1.60.06).
Aside from that, all non-qtek devices will encounter the Country ID error, thus preventing the upgrade.
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So can you up the extended ROM for me to try?
Country error
Hello; for your info, not only non Qtek holders but also Qtek holders having upgraded before to the TmobileNL rom will encounter this error!!
Could someone looki into this and come up with something to get rid of the country error;
So far i tryed to flash two new rom versions on my simfree and not tied to any mobile network Qtek2020 (the new european one and the new imate one) and both had the device display the country error;
It seems that they only rom i could flash would be Tmobile's german rom because when i launch the installer the error message is not displayed and i'm offered to flash the Qtek2020.
As there is no support from Qtek at all, which is not the case for imate's owners, could someone help us definitely get rid of this annoying problem which will prove to be more and more annoying as to the lack of elementary support by Qtek for its customers.
Brgds, Arnaud
Hi Roffa and the rest:
Looks like the link to the 1.60 ROM version has been removed from the nl forum by the moderator (stripped down from basile user post).
Has anybody found that anywhere else? We the Qtek owners seem to be out of luck regarding support issues....
i found it
http://www.ace-hellas.gr/qtek/firmware/ruu16021wwe.exe
Is there really a difference between the 1.6 and the 1.6.xxx???
Are there any real significant changes???
Unable to upgrade
Sorry I tried, unable to upgrade get the country id error.
Currently running the 1.60 T-Mobile NL
But here is the content of the Extended ROM
AutoRun.exe
Broadcast_WWE.sa.CAB
CallerIDRC11_WWE_1.5.sa.CAB
CameraRC131_WWE_1.5.sa.CAB
Config.txt
MIDI56.sa.CAB
MMS1507_WWE.sa.CAB
OEM_4AP_WWE.CAB
OEM_WWE_03122301.sa.CAB
TPDisable.exe
TPEnable.exe
Version_AKU1_160.sa.CAB
Are anybody able to download the file from the www.ace-hellas.gr site ???
Yes, it is possible, just try again just now, I am able to download. :wink:
Dangaard Rom
Yes, per specific request of Dangaard we have removed the link to the download from our forum. Our website, and with us undoubtedly many other websites, depends on good relations with manufacturers and distributors, and we see no use in harming these good relations by making available rom upgrades that are meant for a limited beta-testing group prior to publication.
We do agree, however, that when branding an OEM product, whether it ends up as an i-Mate, a Qtek 2020 or an O2 XDA II for that matter, it deserves good and proper end-user support. In this, I explicitly do see an obligation for Dangaard, as they seem to be the sole (or one of the few) European distributor for the Qtek 2020, to provide support for the machine, and provide the end-user community with updates as an when they become available.
This, however, does not implicate the right to an upgrade when it has not been made publicly available yet. There often is a reason behind this, and frankly, it would not be the first time that I see an upgrade "leaked" that actually does more harm than good. (For instance, there IS an upgrade out there that very radically and permanently nukes the bluetooth stack of an XDA II, never to be fixed again. Would YOU want to run the risk of having your manufacturer tell you that your warranty is void because you put an update on your machine that you are not supposed to have, let alone put on your machine for instance because it’s not device or provider specific?
That is why whenever there’s an upgrade out there, it is best to leave it to the appointed people that test these roms, or the ultimately manufacturer, to decide when and how it becomes available. Until then, it is at your *own* risk that you apply these type of upgrades, and don’t come crying for help when something happens. I actually DO foresee a lot of problems with non-T-Mobile machines that have the first T-Mobile upgrade applied, which most likely will prevent reverting to the proper operator or machine specific update once it becomes available (we have been seeing quite a few “Error 120: Country ID error” messages lately).
There’s a nice saying in Dutch, “Bezint, eer ge begint”, that roughly translates into “Think, before you leap”, and that nicely applies to this situation. Hence, I’d suggest, rather than hunting down an illegal upgrade, we all are better off joining forces in addressing the distributor, in this case Dangaard, and request regular updates, or at least regular status updates on when an where which upgrade will become available.
PS: I too have willingly put my O2 XDA’s warranty on the line by applying the first T-Mobile rom upgrade. ;-)
florin_m said:
i found it
http://www.ace-hellas.gr/qtek/firmware/ruu16021wwe.exe
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It's gone, and I was not able to complete the download
Yes, it's gone, again......
to Wiz:
I absolutly can admit (and understand) whatever YOUR policies are about YOUR web page posting, and your relationship with providers, but please, keep the moral speech for yourself.
We are supposed to know were we are, and be able to understand the implications of upgrades and misbehaved applications, so PLEASE, stop protecting us from ourselves. (or at least don't try to explain your censorship habits, just say you did because it's your policy, that is!)
:wink:
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Wiz said:
Yes, per specific request of Dangaard we have removed the link to the download from our forum. Our website, and with us undoubtedly many other websites, depends on good relations with manufacturers and distributors, and we see no use in harming these good relations by making available rom upgrades that are meant for a limited beta-testing group prior to publication.
We do agree, however, that when branding an OEM product, whether it ends up as an i-Mate, a Qtek 2020 or an O2 XDA II for that matter, it deserves good and proper end-user support. In this, I explicitly do see an obligation for Dangaard, as they seem to be the sole (or one of the few) European distributor for the Qtek 2020, to provide support for the machine, and provide the end-user community with updates as an when they become available.
This, however, does not implicate the right to an upgrade when it has not been made publicly available yet. There often is a reason behind this, and frankly, it would not be the first time that I see an upgrade "leaked" that actually does more harm than good. (For instance, there IS an upgrade out there that very radically and permanently nukes the bluetooth stack of an XDA II, never to be fixed again. Would YOU want to run the risk of having your manufacturer tell you that your warranty is void because you put an update on your machine that you are not supposed to have, let alone put on your machine for instance because it’s not device or provider specific?
That is why whenever there’s an upgrade out there, it is best to leave it to the appointed people that test these roms, or the ultimately manufacturer, to decide when and how it becomes available. Until then, it is at your *own* risk that you apply these type of upgrades, and don’t come crying for help when something happens. I actually DO foresee a lot of problems with non-T-Mobile machines that have the first T-Mobile upgrade applied, which most likely will prevent reverting to the proper operator or machine specific update once it becomes available (we have been seeing quite a few “Error 120: Country ID error” messages lately).
There’s a nice saying in Dutch, “Bezint, eer ge begint”, that roughly translates into “Think, before you leap”, and that nicely applies to this situation. Hence, I’d suggest, rather than hunting down an illegal upgrade, we all are better off joining forces in addressing the distributor, in this case Dangaard, and request regular updates, or at least regular status updates on when an where which upgrade will become available.
PS: I too have willingly put my O2 XDA’s warranty on the line by applying the first T-Mobile rom upgrade. ;-)
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Wrong forum buddy.
This is not The Dutch Pocket PC & Smartphone Club where the majority of visitors have no clue what they are doing and need Evangelists to guide them.
Is it possible?
The new XDA IIs has WM2003SE in the ROM image, so would it be possible to steal it from there and add it to a home cooked XDA II rom?
Is there a ROM Kitchen available for the XDA II, or is it only available for the XDA I?
Thanks in advance for your help.
1. still Not Possible at the moment !
2.
M4io said:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/HimalayaRomkitchen
is a start
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1. It will never be possible to steal the complete ROM, since the hardware is different and unlike PC-operating systems, PocketPC ROMS don't have drivers for multitude of hardware. Hardware independant pieces of software could be chipped out and ported to another, like SRS.
2. :lol:
I've used WM2003SE on my XDA2 & it works fine. In fact seemed to be rather more stable than the one it replaces.
It was a NFR version & I've since gone back to 1.72.181 'cos I want Blackberry
Then you must be one of the lucky few who got their hands on a XDAII WM2003SE Rom.
If NFR means NotForSale, that is why we never saw it.
But if you could share, plz
What I meant was that a WM2003 ROM of an XDAIIs can not be used on a XDAII.
I'm pretty sure I could make you a WM2003SE with blackberry support.
Puff The Magic Wagon! said:
I've used WM2003SE on my XDA2 & it works fine. In fact seemed to be rather more stable than the one it replaces.
It was a NFR version & I've since gone back to 1.72.181 'cos I want Blackberry
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Do you still have any of this ROM???? If so please post it here asap as it means a lot of effort can be saved in trying to rip it.
mr puff, maybe you could share the WM2003Se?
pfft zif he'll share
IF is exists WHY hasnt anyone uploaded a WM2003SE ROM for Himalaya???
This means we get (amongst others) Landscape, plus the Possibilities of using the new Intellidialer
I would very much like to try it!!!
Puff: PLZ upload the rom package. We wont tell anyone! :wink: And we wont resell it. promise!
i'm sure someone would volunteer to get the file and upload it somewhere...
Should be nice to trie ... MR Puff or other nice guy could share your rom ...
:lol:
Is a law problem ? NDA ?
Bye
edsub said:
IF is exists WHY hasnt anyone uploaded a WM2003SE ROM for Himalaya???
This means we get (amongst others) Landscape, plus the Possibilities of using the new Intellidialer
I would very much like to try it!!!
Puff: PLZ upload the rom package. We wont tell anyone! :wink: And we wont resell it. promise!
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I think like edsub.
we will keep a secret and never talk to anyone about it.
People,
You are placing him in very akward position. He is probably under NDA of some kind. Those "releases" usualy very easy to track down to a particular person :roll:
Wait until some kind of "group" will release it. :twisted:
Puff we are all waiting your cooperation
please if you still have the SE ROM. :wink:
Was better don't know that there is this kind of ROM ... now we know ...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Just a thought
Let's assume that this Himalaya SE ROM exists.
All major providers would easily have access to it.
The only reason for not releasing that, and ask people involved to sign NDAs, is to push sales of the newer hardware.
Which is an acceptable policy, from the viewpoint of a single company.
But when the good old competition works as it should, there is always one of the player breaking these situations.
If this does not happen, it is easy to guess that there is an agreement between the providers for not releasing the upgrade.
Now, that is against the law.
Just a thought, in case anyone involved in antitrust commissions would be reading this forum ...
FYI...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=69465#69465
To Puff
could you please upload your ext.ROM ?
I hope it doesn't include in your promise to microsoft.
thank for advanced.
Hi,
New to this site but glad I found it, what a handy resource!
I recently purchased a 2nd user O2 XDA II (about 12 months old) which is current setup in its factory default state. I have been reading allot about users upgrading their Himalya models to Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition and I wanted to know if the same is possible for the UK O2 XDA II's?
Also will this upgrade lock the Phone and/or reduce the functionality of the phone?
What pre-upgrade tasks do I need to perform first e.g apply updates first etc.
Thanks in advance,
Taz
Watch this site carefully to find out about the SE version - there has been a breakthrough in the last few hours in which mamaich has translated the only official SE ROM (a Chinese one) into English. Work continues...
No Himalaya has been sold with an official English WM2003SE ROM as far as we know, but it may be only time....
What is the existing ROM version of your machine? The latest O2 UK ROM version is 1.72 which you can download from http://www.my-xda.com/xda2_soft.html . It's probably worth upgrading to that if your machine is a year old and is still on its original 1.12 (?) ROM.
Upgrading ROM doesn't re-lock an unlocked phone.
Before upgrading the ROM, backup all important data - it'll be lost in the update.
upgrade
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WIN03 UPGRADES ON SITE AT THE MO BUT STILL IN THE TESTING STAGE.
I HAVE USED BOTH BUT THEY ARE NOT, JUST THERE YET.
AT THE MOMENT I'M BACK ON 1.72 WAITING TO SEE DEVELOEMENTS.
NOT SURE YET IF ITS WORTH THE BOTHER TO GHANGE AS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO PROGS APART FROM VISUAL IS KINDA MINIMAL TO USE NON TECHIES, AND THERE IS A SOFTWARE PROBLEM IN THE SENSE THAT SOME PROGS DON'T WORK ON SE THAT DO ON 1.72 AND VISA VERSA SO I'M TOLD. ALTOUGH IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SOFTWARE LOADED THEN NOT A REAL PROBLEM.
BUT HEY WHAT A GREAT SITE, I'M LEARNING NEW STUFF DAILY, SOON I MAY BE A TECHY TOO!
tj
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ukmctc said:
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BUT HEY WHAT A GREAT SITE, I'M LEARNING NEW STUFF DAILY, SOON I MAY BE A TECHY TOO!
tj
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First learn not to type in CAPS, please!
gings
Bad eyesight.............
tj
Ha ha, cheers guys.
Yeah I came across the WM2003SE stuff by accident, was searching the net for some completely unrelated info and came across a link that caught my eye - would you believe it we have not one but two versions to choose from.
I am not too sure if I want to upgrade just yet, one of the reasons I bought a PDA in the first place was to start coding my own apps and as part of a large scale enterprise application I have been developing for over a year now.
If compatibility is an issue then I will hold off for now, I know Microsoft are slowly releasing WM2003SE related development stuff so I don't think it will be long before I take the plunge as I don't mind hacking my PDA's to peices.
As a credit to this site, I was searching various Pocket PC sites on the net (most are to bloated with info or just a bit too American for me) and came across XDA-Developers.com. It was because of the all of the info available on this site that I purchased my XDA II
I have already hacked it apart, I am running the latest 1.72 ROM and 1.17 Radio (is it worth ugrading to 1.18) as well as finally getting Pocket Hack Master to run the thing at 600Mhz with a 200Mhz bus (I will post the correct settings once I have verified that they are indeed the most stable ones).
Thanks again and good luck with WM2003SE!
Taz
I have an AT&T 8525 arriving tomorrow and I'm so excited by the possibilities... but at the same time I'm just by all the different jargon and things that everyone seems to know about. I'm coming from a Blackjack which I've hacked the crap out of but this just seems so much more complicated. Anyway, hello, if you have any suggestions for someone who has never had an HTC before, please post them up for me, because I really just don't know where to start.
Thanks!
Start here, read and learn
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
welcome to the club, please read all the Sticky topics on the main page of HERMES Upgrading ect...
if you still have any questions or concerns then post your next question...
happy reading
Oh god... come in sucker.
First of all, before you even start using your phone, SIM unlock it, super CID it, install Bootloader 1.11 but not 1.04 unless you have Olipro 1.02b or you have acces to KITL, then flash every ROM you can find until sleep deprivation affects your marriage your job and you forget the name of your eldest child.
Then after two months of owning a phone that almost never is in a working state, you'll get it stuck in bootloader mode just after you suffered your first white screen of death, and in desperation you will call your carrier with a string of lies and send it back for a replacement.
Then you start the whole process again...
Have fun... not.
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Oh god... come in sucker.
First of all, before you even start using your phone, SIM unlock it, super CID it, install Bootloader 1.11 but not 1.04 unless you have Olipro 1.02b or you have acces to KITL, then flash every ROM you can find until sleep deprivation affects your marriage your job and you forget the name of your eldest child.
Then after two months of owning a phone that almost never is in a working state, you'll get it stuck in bootloader mode just after you suffered your first white screen of death, and in desperation you will call your carrier with a string of lies and send it back for a replacement.
Then you start the whole process again...
Have fun... not.
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LOL - that is funny, but a little pessimistic.
If you have hacked your Blackjack to shreads, you will have no problem.
Start with MrVanx Upgrade Guides to see the process.
Then, once you have a feel for the bits and pieces of the process, read through the wiki and forums and you will be able to sort through the threds of relavence. It is really not THAT hard once you have done a little homework.
Most important thing - the first thing you should do is upgrade the SPL to Olipro's HardSPLv7 - do that first - that way you can recover from just about anything.
Rest assured, if you have a little experience, educate yourself and follow the guides to get started, your device will work 99% of the time. Don't fret.
I am also one of those new users and my 8525 is coming in a few days but i'm a bit technical about computers so i tend to grab it quickly, i DON'T want to play around with my mobile, i just want to unlock it, then put it to some good windows mobile 6, and then forget about it till windows mobile 7 comes, does that mean i use pof's sim unlocker v3a to unlock my phone...
alternative is Hard-SPL, if thati have seen that making your phone supercid seems dangerous and the safer s true i simply apply hard-spl on my phone? (though i don't even know what it does if its a utility or a piece of code integrated into your phone or a custom bootloader ), after applying hardspl, i simply follow the legitimate official instructions to install TyTN Mobile 6 official rom as if my 8525 was a HTC TyTN?
I just want my final goal to be Mobile 6.0 Unlocked in the safest go...
encryptedmaniac said:
I am also one of those new users and my 8525 is coming in a few days but i'm a bit technical about computers so i tend to grab it quickly, i DON'T want to play around with my mobile, i just want to unlock it, then put it to some good windows mobile 6, and then forget about it till windows mobile 7 comes, does that mean i use pof's sim unlocker v3a to unlock my phone...
alternative is Hard-SPL, if thati have seen that making your phone supercid seems dangerous and the safer s true i simply apply hard-spl on my phone? (though i don't even know what it does if its a utility or a piece of code integrated into your phone or a custom bootloader ), after applying hardspl, i simply follow the legitimate official instructions to install TyTN Mobile 6 official rom as if my 8525 was a HTC TyTN?
I just want my final goal to be Mobile 6.0 Unlocked in the safest go...
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How do you know that WM5 isn't good enough for you? If the only thing you want on your phone is WM6, why didn't you buy one with this pre-installed? Maybe you should spend some more time reading before you get, and break your new toy - all the best links are already posted above and if you'd read them you wouldn't be posting these questions.
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LOL - that is funny, but a little pessimistic.
If you have hacked your Blackjack to shreads, you will have no problem.
Start with MrVanx Upgrade Guides to see the process.
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Pessimistic?
That link lists no fewer than five operating systems, for one device, all WM6!!!
Which one works??? This is ridiculous!
This is worse than linux!
...head...spinning...
Thanks for the advice to everyone who gave it... I got my Hermes at 1 this afternoon and it's been sitting on my desk, charging and keeping me from really getting any work done all afternoon. I'm going to assume that all the acronyms y'all are throwing at me will be explained in the wikis...
Don't freak them out guys , get it unlock it install official go to bed happy, if you want to go crazy over installing different versions of roms all the time do so but check the safety steps first (many guides here, Mr. Vanx's is a great place to start) mind you there is no 100% safe option and most of the roms are more or less the same, you can always add cab files of things you want, it's better to stick to a clean rom. If you play with it there might be a chance you screw it... badly (even if you know what you're doing)
Me I just updated the official WM6 (which was released sooooo long later) thankfully in your case you don't have to wait.
Either way congrads on the phone and enjoy it, some small issues aside you have a great piece of hardware there.
CSMR said:
Pessimistic?
That link lists no fewer than five operating systems, for one device, all WM6!!!
Which one works??? This is ridiculous!
This is worse than linux!
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Nothing is worse than Linux!!!!!
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I have an AT&T 8525 arriving tomorrow and I'm so excited by the possibilities... but at the same time I'm just by all the different jargon and things that everyone seems to know about. I'm coming from a Blackjack which I've hacked the crap out of but this just seems so much more complicated. Anyway, hello, if you have any suggestions for someone who has never had an HTC before, please post them up for me, because I really just don't know where to start.
Thanks!
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welcome... i was like you for a while... i'm a new hermes 8525 owner too... read and learn before you really dive in... understand the terminology and jargon for a while... get used to using your phone in stock mode for a while before moving forward... being familiar with it is important... then the first thing you should install when you decide to is hardspl... good luck...
thanks again to everyone! I have to say that the MrVanx Upgrade Guides link was the best, most helpful thing anyone could have pointed me at - step-by-step instructions to flash my hermes with a new ROM. It was great. The forums also yielded CABs and all sorts of other helpful links that have set me up with a near - perfect phone.
Of course, now I'm bored. what's the next step? 'cooking' my own ROMs? where do I start with that? what are 'kitchens'? I know there's lots out there. thanks again for the help y'all have given!!!
esseff said:
Nothing is worse than Linux!!!!!
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hey now hey now, that's a bit mean. Linux does after all give you the whole house, while Microsoft only gives you the Windows
ok, maybe i'm just causing a bit of trouble hehe... just ignore me hehehe
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thanks again to everyone! I have to say that the MrVanx Upgrade Guides link was the best, most helpful thing anyone could have pointed me at - step-by-step instructions to flash my hermes with a new ROM. It was great. The forums also yielded CABs and all sorts of other helpful links that have set me up with a near - perfect phone.
Of course, now I'm bored. what's the next step? 'cooking' my own ROMs? where do I start with that? what are 'kitchens'? I know there's lots out there. thanks again for the help y'all have given!!!
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So, I can't read your nick without thinking of the Lethal Weapon movie with Chris Rock. He was detective Butters or something. Anywa, I digress...
I think your next logical step is one of two paths:
1. Cooking and coding - either for yourself or for a new release, if you come up with something you think is different or cool for the community - home cooked customization apps are quite popular - settings backup/recover solutions too - fewer options out there for that right now
or
2. Documenting - maybe something you could work with MrVanx on if you want to pick up an area that is not well documented adn try to document it for folks
For cooking, start HERE IN THE WIKI and see what you can figure out. I am not sure if all the latest kitchen releases are in here, but it is a good start. Follow the links then do some additional searches - lot's of cool stuff... enjoy...
Hi there. I have/had wizard g4, but after upgradin' rom by ruu my phone is bricked. he doesn't even respone to charger.
Now technical details: upgrade was done on i/spl 2.21.001/olip, so after hardspl'ing him. Everythin' went just fine, but in 73% i've realised that i'm uploadin' g3 rom... So i let ruu finish his job and now my pda is completly dead.
I won't be askin' for HELP, i will ask for info. Will anyone can tell me: if i take out 'disk on chip' (cause i think that's the flashrom chip), how i can reflash it? I mean: should i just put nk.nbf from 0x0000 or split rom image onto bootloader, radio and os and put it partially? what are adressess of those thinx and lenght of code? and how can i split nk.nbf?
Congrats !
What your are asking is not easy to do,it requires special flashing tools and connectors,which only the manufacturers and vendors have,It needs new bootloaders,you cannot do it yourself.DOC chip might have to be replaced,it means an almost new phone
Btw,have you tried to force it into bootloaders ? might be lucky,if it gets into bootloaders.well there's no harm in trying,if it does,then you might in luck and safe.
whatdy'a mean sayin' 'force it into bootloader'? if you mean pressing cam button while poweing it on- yes i've tried. i even tried to boot linux on desktop computer, connectin' wizard and typin' 'lsusb' in console, hoping that something like 'xxxx:xxxx unkown vendor' occurs. But, still no luck. even linux thoughts that usb port with connected wiz is free.
I know that only vendors and sevice-guyz know 'tricks' about connecting directly to DOC chip... but i'm still hopeing, cause i've found two unused connector places on mainboard(after disassemblin' of corse)- one in the middle, second next to sim card connector and i'm wondering if there's any chance to ommit BGA-welding(sorry 4 my english).
Have you heard about conspiracy theory ? i begun to belive in it... I think that many people know what 2 do, but noone want to help me from one particular reason: if someone helps me, i wouldn't need to pay in service, so someone will not earn money...
anyway, what do you mean about 'force in2 bl'?
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whatdy'a mean sayin' 'force it into bootloader'? if you mean pressing cam button while poweing it on- yes i've tried. i even tried to boot linux on desktop computer, connectin' wizard and typin' 'lsusb' in console, hoping that something like 'xxxx:xxxx unkown vendor' occurs. But, still no luck. even linux thoughts that usb port with connected wiz is free.
I know that only vendors and sevice-guyz know 'tricks' about connecting directly to DOC chip... but i'm still hopeing, cause i've found two unused connector places on mainboard(after disassemblin' of corse)- one in the middle, second next to sim card connector and i'm wondering if there's any chance to ommit BGA-welding(sorry 4 my english).
Have you heard about conspiracy theory ? i begun to belive in it... I think that many people know what 2 do, but noone want to help me from one particular reason: if someone helps me, i wouldn't need to pay in service, so someone will not earn money...
anyway, what do you mean about 'force in2 bl'?
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First,let me clear you here, There's no such "Conspiracy theory" being practiced here in this Forum.It's a development Forum and not a Technical Advisory Service of some sort,where experts give advise and earn money.Its a free forum to help the newbies about the problem regarding their phones,We here believe in "Help & Support".The guys and gurus are not trained technical experts,its a voluntary website,where guys help and advise what they have learned and gained to the new guys joining and asking for help and they do it with honesty and to the best of their knowledge without any monetary benefits.
Secondly,Yes ! thats exactly what I meant for 'Force into booltloaders',cuz,may be if it does boot in the bootloaders,then it might be recovered,just a haunch,but if it doesn't,then its another dead paper weight on the desk.
Cheers!
I think it's a misunderstood there. I mean that maybe someone know what to do, but if it would leak to internet then services can lost money, cause what to pay 50$ i.e. if you can repair PDA by yourself?. I mean also that i've searched whole wide web... My polish sites of electronics, pda forums, even those forums where volunteers helps guys who crashed their bioses on PC's. And nothin', no one replies to mails, and if i ask someone directly they say thats no hope for me and my PDA.
I just cannot believe it... Even old PC had protection, if you uploaded wrong code into BIOS and PC cannot boot you always could ISA graphic card and boot from floppy.
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I think it's a misunderstood there. I mean that maybe someone know what to do, but if it would leak to internet then services can lost money, cause what to pay 50$ i.e. if you can repair PDA by yourself?. I mean also that i've searched whole wide web... My polish sites of electronics, pda forums, even those forums where volunteers helps guys who crashed their bioses on PC's. And nothin', no one replies to mails, and if i ask someone directly they say thats no hope for me and my PDA.
I just cannot believe it... Even old PC had protection, if you uploaded wrong code into BIOS and PC cannot boot you always could ISA graphic card and boot from floppy.
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focus on the problem:
tell me if u can at least see the bootloader ? If yes then u can have a fair chance of bringing urs back to life
It is because you are not supposed to flash a ROM that is not for your device!
For example, what will happen if you flash a AMIBIOS to a motherboard that uses AWARDBIOS (By your own way for sure)? Flashing G3-only ROMs to G4 device is just like that.
The protection for htc device is not letting you to flash a G3 only RUU in the usual way, you cracked to let it allow any ROM is your own problem, not problem of htc, and htc doesn't have to take care of it.
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focus on the problem:
tell me if u can at least see the bootloader ?
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few posts ago i've wrote, that i cannot even see red led when pluggin' onto charger. BL mode doesn't work either (cam+ sr or cam+pwr).
i've found another way to resurrect my wiza200. JTAG.
But ofcoz noone knows where are testpoints located. But i'll find it. BTW someone can e-mail me fubu of working g4 wizard? lis6502 (at) gmail (dot) com
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For example, what will happen if you flash a AMIBIOS to a motherboard that uses AWARDBIOS (By your own way for sure)? Flashing G3-only ROMs to G4 device is just like that.
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yeah, i know what i did. i understand example of bioses misupload. i've explained in that way to some guys who doesn't understand what i did
starkwong said:
The protection for htc device is not letting you to flash a G3 only RUU in the usual way, you cracked to let it allow any ROM is your own problem, not problem of htc, and htc doesn't have to take care of it.
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Do i cracked it? i just found ONE working ruu which allowed me to upload any rom to my device. i've switched nk.nbf files in folder wich ruu was in.
I know also that HTC wouldn't help mi, i'm not counting on warranty or manufacturer help.
No No...
You installed HardSPL to your device, so your device is already cracked (say patched may be better) by you.
starkwong said:
No No...
You installed HardSPL to your device, so your device is already cracked (say patched may be better) by you.
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uhm, it may be infatile question, but is it illegal? i know thah chaging IMEI is illegal, but is hardspl'ing too?
Cracking SPL is not an offense in law, just violate the warranty terms only.
2 starwonk: man, i'm from poland. i've bought my spv on polish eqiuvalent of e-bay. It's o2 xda mini s, so warranty is only valid in UK. i've told that i'm not counting on warranty. i need and must do it all by myself. and i will do it. Wish me luck