Hi,
New to this site but glad I found it, what a handy resource!
I recently purchased a 2nd user O2 XDA II (about 12 months old) which is current setup in its factory default state. I have been reading allot about users upgrading their Himalya models to Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition and I wanted to know if the same is possible for the UK O2 XDA II's?
Also will this upgrade lock the Phone and/or reduce the functionality of the phone?
What pre-upgrade tasks do I need to perform first e.g apply updates first etc.
Thanks in advance,
Taz
Watch this site carefully to find out about the SE version - there has been a breakthrough in the last few hours in which mamaich has translated the only official SE ROM (a Chinese one) into English. Work continues...
No Himalaya has been sold with an official English WM2003SE ROM as far as we know, but it may be only time....
What is the existing ROM version of your machine? The latest O2 UK ROM version is 1.72 which you can download from http://www.my-xda.com/xda2_soft.html . It's probably worth upgrading to that if your machine is a year old and is still on its original 1.12 (?) ROM.
Upgrading ROM doesn't re-lock an unlocked phone.
Before upgrading the ROM, backup all important data - it'll be lost in the update.
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THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WIN03 UPGRADES ON SITE AT THE MO BUT STILL IN THE TESTING STAGE.
I HAVE USED BOTH BUT THEY ARE NOT, JUST THERE YET.
AT THE MOMENT I'M BACK ON 1.72 WAITING TO SEE DEVELOEMENTS.
NOT SURE YET IF ITS WORTH THE BOTHER TO GHANGE AS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO PROGS APART FROM VISUAL IS KINDA MINIMAL TO USE NON TECHIES, AND THERE IS A SOFTWARE PROBLEM IN THE SENSE THAT SOME PROGS DON'T WORK ON SE THAT DO ON 1.72 AND VISA VERSA SO I'M TOLD. ALTOUGH IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SOFTWARE LOADED THEN NOT A REAL PROBLEM.
BUT HEY WHAT A GREAT SITE, I'M LEARNING NEW STUFF DAILY, SOON I MAY BE A TECHY TOO!
tj
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BUT HEY WHAT A GREAT SITE, I'M LEARNING NEW STUFF DAILY, SOON I MAY BE A TECHY TOO!
tj
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First learn not to type in CAPS, please!
gings
Bad eyesight.............
tj
Ha ha, cheers guys.
Yeah I came across the WM2003SE stuff by accident, was searching the net for some completely unrelated info and came across a link that caught my eye - would you believe it we have not one but two versions to choose from.
I am not too sure if I want to upgrade just yet, one of the reasons I bought a PDA in the first place was to start coding my own apps and as part of a large scale enterprise application I have been developing for over a year now.
If compatibility is an issue then I will hold off for now, I know Microsoft are slowly releasing WM2003SE related development stuff so I don't think it will be long before I take the plunge as I don't mind hacking my PDA's to peices.
As a credit to this site, I was searching various Pocket PC sites on the net (most are to bloated with info or just a bit too American for me) and came across XDA-Developers.com. It was because of the all of the info available on this site that I purchased my XDA II
I have already hacked it apart, I am running the latest 1.72 ROM and 1.17 Radio (is it worth ugrading to 1.18) as well as finally getting Pocket Hack Master to run the thing at 600Mhz with a 200Mhz bus (I will post the correct settings once I have verified that they are indeed the most stable ones).
Thanks again and good luck with WM2003SE!
Taz
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Is there any firm news on the likleyhood of a WM2003SE Upgrade for XDAII's (or any of the other versions of this hardware)? I have seen plenty of posts from people who seem to think it will come sometime but nothing official confirming this.
Given that HP have abandined any possibility of an upgrade for existing users I think it unlikley but I guess it only needs one ISP to offer the upgarde for Himalaya hardware and then we should be able to re-work it for the rest of us.
Yes, I'm looking for this too! I was hoping at least the new T-Mo USA iPaq phone edition would have SE! Is there a way to put that OS on my xdaII? -or is that a bad idea? -is it possible to get that ROM anywhere?
Yes, I'm looking for this too! I was hoping at least the new T-Mo USA iPaq phone edition would have SE! Is there a way to put that OS on my xdaII? -or is that a bad idea? -is it possible to get that ROM anywhere?
here is a qoute from http://www.clubimate.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2872 posted by pmanser:
I just talked with the "live support" on this site. This is a copy of the session
Welcome Paul, please wait while we get you in contact with one of our club advisors...
You're now talking to Ali
Ali> Welcome to club i-mate support. My name is Ali, how can I help you today?
Ali> hi
Paul> hi, i wanted to ask about if/when the Windows Mobile 2003 SE update will be available for the imate PPC
Ali> Microsoft have just released Windows Mobile 2003 SE, however we need to add our elements to the operating system to make it into the complete device package.
Paul> is there any guess on time frame, it as been release by microsoft for a couple of months now.
Ali> there is no exact day for that
Ali> this usualy take 2 mounths
Paul> I have a number of friends who are considering purchasing the imate, but not sure if they should wait a bit longer if it wont be getting the landscape support found in SE. Can I at least tell them that it will be supplied sometime (this year)
Ali> yes sure , The Windows Mobile 2003 SE is totally different from the new upgrade currently available on our www.clubimate.com website that updates the current version of Windows Mobile 2003.
Ali> it will have the ability to view the pages in landscape
Paul> I understand that, just wanted to make sure it will be provided. I know a number of manufactureres have said they would not.
Paul> thank-you for your time
Ali> any more quieries ?
Paul> I have noticed that there is a number of questions about this topic on the support message boards on the club imate site. Is it ok if I post this conversation there to the public to answer the question and lay fears at ease?
Ali> ok thats will be fine , as i told you we need to add our elements to the operating system to make it into the complete device package.
Paul> ok, thank alot, you have been very helpful
Paul> bye
Ali> you are most welcome
Ali> bye
So it indeed seems that it is being worked on. And a big thanks to imate for providing that. All we neeed to do is be patient.
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So will they also fix the handsfree blooper for automatic answering with your BT headset?
Hi everyone,
I've just had a word with O2 xda2 helpdesk and this is their concern towards WM2003SE!
"ANY UPGRADING ROM OTHER THAN THE ONE FROM MYXDA.COM WILL VOID THE WARRANTY OF YOUR XDA COMPLETELY!
This is no matter how new is your device (or just 1 day old only), once you flash it wif an unknown source rom, it will void your valuable local warranty of 1 year!!!
So I'm basically trapped in this situation.....(Just to remind those who intend to do the upgrade of WM2003SE). Nevertheless, you still can wait for the official launch of new rom from www.myxda.com in the 1st quarter of the year!
But if you cant stand the temptation like me, well this is the price to pay. From now on, any defect on the hardware, o2 will no longer give any warranty and i got to dig out my own pocket money.
Lets pray hard for nothing would happend to my device for 1 year.....
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wm2003SE said:
Hi everyone,
I've just had a word with O2 xda2 helpdesk and this is their concern towards WM2003SE!
"ANY UPGRADING ROM OTHER THAN THE ONE FROM MYXDA.COM WILL VOID THE WARRANTY OF YOUR XDA COMPLETELY!
This is no matter how new is your device (or just 1 day old only), once you flash it wif an unknown source rom, it will void your valuable local warranty of 1 year!!!
So I'm basically trapped in this situation.....(Just to remind those who intend to do the upgrade of WM2003SE). Nevertheless, you still can wait for the official launch of new rom from www.myxda.com in the 1st quarter of the year!
But if you cant stand the temptation like me, well this is the price to pay. From now on, any defect on the hardware, o2 will no longer give any warranty and i got to dig out my own pocket money.
Lets pray hard for nothing would happend to my device for 1 year.....
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Well can't you revert back to the previous rom?!?!?! bcz it's impossible that they will know what you've did unless you told them!
If you can upgrade, you can always downgrade before sending in... don't let those helpdesk people stop you... they are nonsense and knows nothign about their product.
Cheers to these guru here that helps solve most of the issue except hardware parts faulty.
I have tired downgraded from 1.72 to 1.60 vice-versa without any issue. So why bother about them.
Frankly speaking, I would never call their pathetic helpdesk... :roll:
i think most of us here knows that but nice warning anyway
if you're not on 1.06 bootloader, you can just downgrade your ROM and send it in for servicing anyway, they can't tell.
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RamX2 said:
Well can't you revert back to the previous rom?!?!?! bcz it's impossible that they will know what you've did unless you told them!
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Good try there. But by downgrading to 1.72WWE will also considered voiding the warranty. I tried to downgrade to 1.60Asia Rom but failed.
Unless someone can shed some light on how to downgrade it back to 1.60Asia Rom with 1.06 bootloader???
Anyway, the guy in o2 helpdesk said they know how to recognize whether the device is upgraded to any rom before. No way you can run away from them even though you don tell them....
Well, if you are so worried, you are welcome to pass me your device, I can exchange mine with you... :wink:
I can't say nothing but good luck to you my friend :wink:
notepad said:
Well, if you are so worried, you are welcome to pass me your device, I can exchange mine with you... :wink:
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Wow u really a nice bro....Well i'll exchange wif you once i detect any defect or hardware related problem. Is that what you mean?
:lol: Haha! sorry for being so sarcastic. No, i just wanted to remind those who considered the repercussions of upgrading your device if you got the bootloader 1.06.
Nevertheless, cheers on u guys (who owns below 1.06 bootloader). Congratulations! Life is about sharing not to put anyone in trouble!
BTW, how does one check the bootloader anyway? Oops.. forgotten about the clauses that I should only exchange workable device.. heheheh :lol:
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BTW, how does one check the bootloader anyway? Oops.. forgotten about the clauses that I should only exchange workable device.. heheheh :lol:
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Good one :lol: lol I'm very glad that we are able to use the Se finally.
DUH! With all due respect, If you wanted to keep your warranty, i doubt if youd be here in xda-dev in the first place! :wink:
ANY upgrade / change to your device other than supplied & approced by the vendor (ie. O2, T-Mobile, Qtek, CDL, Orange and what have you) WILL POSSIBLY VOID WARRANTY.
Of course they will have to have a good story if they withdraw warranty following a app install, but what about unhiding/unlocking the ExtROM and not to mention upgrading os and/or radio stacks.
If you do not want to have any risk: Stay with the original ROM
If you want to have a working device: Upgrade to your liking BUT KEEP A DOWNGRADE PACKAGE / IMAGE AT HAND IN CASE YOU NEED TO RELY ON WARRANTY.
(which does not rescue you if you end up with a dead device)
Whats so different about the bootloader 1.06 anyway. i've upgraded from an 1.66wwe ->1.72wwe--> 2.02WWE then back an 1.72wwe, does that mean that my device will keep a record of my misadventures?
thanks
Pinoy dont worry the here in us they dont know what is new in our device.. my brother upgraded his device to SE then after a day, the vibra is not working then he went to brightpoint to fix it with warranty but still its free. hehehe..
Salaryman, pare have you tried to downgrade back to the 1.66?
i've read that warning quite some time ago.. I guess all of us HERE in this forum knows that.. 8)
Again ...cheers to the knowned and unknown "knights of shining stylus" AKA xda gurus.. they really gave us "working" apps for our device than the "buggy" warranty'd gizmo you're holding the first time.
SALAMAT dudes!
When I had my first XDA I used to have continous crashes where the unit would not charge, switch on until I left the battery out of it overnight at which point if I put it back in it would hard reset itself after the back up battery was emptied.
Returned it within 3 weeks they gave me a new one as they connect fix them where I bought it.
New one had same problem but less frequent.
I started searching the forums and came here and started learning about my unit.
Since my origial 1.66 version I have had 2 versions of 1.72 with my own cooked ext rom. And now am running 2.06 with 1.18 radio and a cooked ext rom.
I've ripped out anything to do with O2 on my unit and it is the most stable it has ever been.
Remember what we have is a Windows operating system which on non phone based pda's works efficiently and faultless. It wasn't till all the phone operators who think they know about software started messing with their customised cabs to make it look like theirs that windows becomes unstable.
I would not be surprised if the 2.06 from mystery man was leaked on purpose, as this is a common thing for large corporations to do if they know there is a problem with previously released operating systems and the manufacturers are not intending to release an upgrade in order to encourage the sale of new hardware.
Remember when your Himalaya unit messes up most people go these Windows Mobile devices are rubbish as this is the name that is embedded on the casings. I'm sure that Microsoft as a corporation are fully aware of this and it is generally in their interest to release more stable ROM's through forums like this.
It's funny how quickly a stable English ROM surfaced once translation started on the Chinese one.
Assuming you are not going to throw your unit at a wall, drop it in the toilet, run over it etc etc then the warranty is not really required. Worse case scenario I report it lost/stolen to my household insurance provider and get a brand new one! At which time I will quite happily rip the rom again
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... It's funny how quickly a stable English ROM surfaced once translation started on the Chinese one....
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Just to clarify slightly - I was working on the update I posted prior to the chinese ROM appearing. In fact the original image I used was months old and was not an installable package, but a memory dump. The mystery man update did appear after the Chinese ROM and was an installation package and therefore was probably posted by a person who thought 'well the chinese one is out officially, so what the heck' after a lot of pressure from pleading XDA II users on this forum
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Salaryman, pare have you tried to downgrade back to the 1.66?
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@mann2
Sorry but no, coz i didn't know how to back up my rom when i first upgraded to 1.72WWE. but i believe its possible.
If it were possible to revert to the 1.66, then problem solved!
Hi,
I'm the proud owner of a T-Mobile MDA II with vga camera. Half an hour ago I happend to find this interesting forum.
What is this Windows Mobile 2005? I've never heard of it. I searched the Microsoft website, but I didn't find anything.
I have no idea which OS is installed on my MDA... the ROM version is 1.72.01GER (in case that helps).
So... in case I want to upgrade my MDA.... what do I have to do, where do I get the files from etc. And, what is this upgrade all about? Is it a totally new OS, or what is it? I have no idea
Thanks for your help
Bye
*push*
Hi Bauer,
I too am a newbee. Just joined this forum about a month ago. If I may give you a clue ( though I'm not an expert in it), the Windows Mobile 2005 is supposed to be the next mobile phone OS from Microsoft. It is said to have many more user-friendly features than the one you are currently using. However it has not yet been officialy released in the market (I even doubt if its ready yet). But thanks to our great Buzz Lightyear (http://buzzdev.net) we are fortunate to get the taste of the new promised features. Buzz had managed to create his own version of the said OS and named it the Magneto. Why don't you try to drill further into other area of this forum or go to http://buzzdev.net. I'm sure you'll get the idea, and as it happened to me I'm sure you'll like it too. Good Luck.
Hi again Bauer,
Regarding the question as to where to get ROM upgrade, you can try this link http://www.buzzdev.net/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=124&Itemid=32 to get the copy of the new ROM upgrade. However you are supposed to register yourself first to be able to access the link. There (and in this forum too) you will get a clear description & instruction for the ROM upgrade.
I would also like to get this opportunity to apologize to the forum (especially to Buzz and the development team) for not being polite enough to say 'thank you' for all the work you've done. I've had no significant problem with either the upgrading process or the tweaking around with both hardware and software (incl. 3rd parties). Everything works fine with my machine since day one I did the upgrade. I love the work. Thank you all, and have a nice day.
Hi Bauer,
Spend time reading the wiki site too which will provide you with a lot of background about your new toy and the sort of things you can tweak/ develop or pick up that others have done.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/
Also learn to use the search function of this website as you can find most of the answers for yourself without relying upon good folk to give the same advice to the next newbee in the queue asking the same questions ('nuff said, we've all been newbees at sometime).
Once you've read relevant parts of the wiki and are comfortable that you want to risk changing your ROM (there are numerous pitfalls you risk (e.g. warrantee invalidation) and ultimately totally killing your machine if you have two left feet/ power surge/ massive bad luck etc) search these forums will educate you to the experiences of others developing/ beta testing/ exploring. Buzz's versions of WM5 are narrated a:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=23151&highlight=
Remember to pay due homage to all his hard work.
Beyond that enjoy.
Viel Glück - Mallow1
Well, after a heap of emails to ANZ (australian service agent for Dopod) i got the following response:
Dear Michael,
The 838pro ROM code is AKU2.X. I checked our schedule and there would not be any new ROM update in future. AKU 2.X supports WPA only. Unfortunately, it will not support WPA2. You might consider some of our other products like D810 with AKU 3.X
Thanks.
Kind regards,
ANZ Service
Dopod International (Australia New Zealand) Pty Ltd
ABN 48 119 011 639
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So, basically release a full featured phone, then do nothing for it at all, and have it somewhat crippled.
Bad form on Dopods part, and if no other manufacturer updates theres, well, will be the last time i get a HTC PDA. Considering my Mio A701 is currently running a version of crossbow on it, or a choice of an AKU3.5 ROM as well...
Anyway, thought i'd share for those wth dopods that theres no updates coming, at all
omg is this going to be the same with all of the hermes versions? i'm hoping not or my jasjam is never gonna see the light of AKU3.xx or Crossbow.
mxlaser said:
Well, after a heap of emails to ANZ (australian service agent for Dopod) i got the following response:
So, basically release a full featured phone, then do nothing for it at all, and have it somewhat crippled.
Bad form on Dopods part, and if no other manufacturer updates theres, well, will be the last time i get a HTC PDA. Considering my Mio A701 is currently running a version of crossbow on it, or a choice of an AKU3.5 ROM as well...
Anyway, thought i'd share for those wth dopods that theres no updates coming, at all
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The crossbow version and the aku3.x version for the Mio A701 are also not official... the comunity has made the rom updates!!
I hope dat "Pof" or others create some custom upgrades voor the hermes!
I like my hermes much more then the teribble mio A701!! (what a buggy phone with worse phone sound!!)
The Mio is actually a very good phone. Look at reviews all over the net at rspected places, and it scores even, or higher than the Hermes based phones.
However, its a "diffent" needs pda, and not for everyone, the same as the hermes isnt fo everyone. having both, i assure you they cater for very different needs, and are both excellent.
mxlaser said:
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Bad form on Dopods part, and if no other manufacturer updates theres, well, will be the last time i get a HTC PDA. Considering my Mio A701 is currently running a version of crossbow on it, or a choice of an AKU3.5 ROM as well...
Anyway, thought i'd share for those wth dopods that theres no updates coming, at all
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I have the same feeling,too. There is no reason the spend money on HTC PDA again if there is not even a minor update after the release date. Given that we no longer can modify/cook our own ROM on HTC PDA due to the certificate protection, owning an HTC PDA is not that worth anymore...
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Given that we no longer can modify/cook our own ROM on HTC PDA due to the certificate protection, owning an HTC PDA is not that worth anymore...
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Fun has been increased with this, now we have to think of a way to circumvent signature checking... and be sure we'll do it
pof, honestly in your opinion, what the chances you think of either yourself or another cracking it relatively soonish??
Probably an isolated incedent, but interesting just the same -- In Taiwan, where the TyTN made it's world debut 03-July as the CHT9000, the TyTN has been pulled and is no longer available for purchase.
Dopod has a less than ideal record of supporting Chinese language devices in Taiwan (they're made here, so go figure). I think they tried, failed, and so decided to cut their losses. I tried the Chinese OS for a few days and my impression was it was clunky as compared to the English language ROM. Maybe that's also why it never made it into the China market as a native Chinese language OS.
So, I suspect the TyTN will live on as the Cingular 8525, dopod 838pro, or HTC TyTN... but the CHT9000 is no more..
Me... I'm very happy with my CHT9000... but, running the v1.35ROM of course... cheers.
@mxlaser: see my comment here regarding this.
Thanks pof.
Ever helpful as usual.
Shame theres hesitation on the commnity banding together on this on. 6 months is a long time to worry about updates as WM6/crossbow devices will be here by then...
Hope it goes well... Wish i knew more about it all to help in the end...
I am struggling with my 2-day-old Sprint Touch Pro 2 and to the eye of the newbie I am, it has been crippled so badly, I'm on the verge of canceling the contract. I was patient enough to wait for about 4 months without a phone until Sprint releases this one but now I am so p1553d off I may switch back to iPhone (and before that I was an Sprint user again). Before all these stories I had (and I still have it on my desk) a WM5 iMate Jamin and it worked well without any need for upgrade (well, at least for ME).
But Now: Except for the start menu and and the one that closes the appz I can't use e.g. the battery indicator and sound volume icon on top of the Today screen. Plus I can't install 'advanced configuration tools' and a couple of other appz that used to work smoothly on my WM5. It feels like Sprint have totally butchered the OS; I mean I shoulda been able to do ordinary stuff at least. Paid 450 (no rebate yet) and it's a pile of shame.
Now the question: is there any step by step ROM upgrade process available for this special device, cuz I am afraid I mess up the whole thing upon upgrade.
PS: My ROM version is 1.21.651.3 for that matter.
Thank you in advance.
first you are in the wrong forum... you need the rhodium forum.
since this is primarily a gsm site i would head over to ppc geeks and check out the tp2 forum there.
as far as i know they are still waiting for a unlocker for your phone so no custom roms yet.
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first you are in the wrong forum... you need the rhodium forum.
since this is primarily a gsm site i would head over to ppc geeks and check out the tp2 forum there.
as far as i know they are still waiting for a unlocker for your phone so no custom roms yet.
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Thank you so much for your both corrections and directions. I am gonna keep an eye on that topic out there. Hopefully something comes out in coming weeks..