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Hi,
New to this site but glad I found it, what a handy resource!
I recently purchased a 2nd user O2 XDA II (about 12 months old) which is current setup in its factory default state. I have been reading allot about users upgrading their Himalya models to Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition and I wanted to know if the same is possible for the UK O2 XDA II's?
Also will this upgrade lock the Phone and/or reduce the functionality of the phone?
What pre-upgrade tasks do I need to perform first e.g apply updates first etc.
Thanks in advance,
Taz
Watch this site carefully to find out about the SE version - there has been a breakthrough in the last few hours in which mamaich has translated the only official SE ROM (a Chinese one) into English. Work continues...
No Himalaya has been sold with an official English WM2003SE ROM as far as we know, but it may be only time....
What is the existing ROM version of your machine? The latest O2 UK ROM version is 1.72 which you can download from http://www.my-xda.com/xda2_soft.html . It's probably worth upgrading to that if your machine is a year old and is still on its original 1.12 (?) ROM.
Upgrading ROM doesn't re-lock an unlocked phone.
Before upgrading the ROM, backup all important data - it'll be lost in the update.
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THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WIN03 UPGRADES ON SITE AT THE MO BUT STILL IN THE TESTING STAGE.
I HAVE USED BOTH BUT THEY ARE NOT, JUST THERE YET.
AT THE MOMENT I'M BACK ON 1.72 WAITING TO SEE DEVELOEMENTS.
NOT SURE YET IF ITS WORTH THE BOTHER TO GHANGE AS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO PROGS APART FROM VISUAL IS KINDA MINIMAL TO USE NON TECHIES, AND THERE IS A SOFTWARE PROBLEM IN THE SENSE THAT SOME PROGS DON'T WORK ON SE THAT DO ON 1.72 AND VISA VERSA SO I'M TOLD. ALTOUGH IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SOFTWARE LOADED THEN NOT A REAL PROBLEM.
BUT HEY WHAT A GREAT SITE, I'M LEARNING NEW STUFF DAILY, SOON I MAY BE A TECHY TOO!
tj
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ukmctc said:
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BUT HEY WHAT A GREAT SITE, I'M LEARNING NEW STUFF DAILY, SOON I MAY BE A TECHY TOO!
tj
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First learn not to type in CAPS, please!
gings
Bad eyesight.............
tj
Ha ha, cheers guys.
Yeah I came across the WM2003SE stuff by accident, was searching the net for some completely unrelated info and came across a link that caught my eye - would you believe it we have not one but two versions to choose from.
I am not too sure if I want to upgrade just yet, one of the reasons I bought a PDA in the first place was to start coding my own apps and as part of a large scale enterprise application I have been developing for over a year now.
If compatibility is an issue then I will hold off for now, I know Microsoft are slowly releasing WM2003SE related development stuff so I don't think it will be long before I take the plunge as I don't mind hacking my PDA's to peices.
As a credit to this site, I was searching various Pocket PC sites on the net (most are to bloated with info or just a bit too American for me) and came across XDA-Developers.com. It was because of the all of the info available on this site that I purchased my XDA II
I have already hacked it apart, I am running the latest 1.72 ROM and 1.17 Radio (is it worth ugrading to 1.18) as well as finally getting Pocket Hack Master to run the thing at 600Mhz with a 200Mhz bus (I will post the correct settings once I have verified that they are indeed the most stable ones).
Thanks again and good luck with WM2003SE!
Taz
I have an AT&T 8525 arriving tomorrow and I'm so excited by the possibilities... but at the same time I'm just by all the different jargon and things that everyone seems to know about. I'm coming from a Blackjack which I've hacked the crap out of but this just seems so much more complicated. Anyway, hello, if you have any suggestions for someone who has never had an HTC before, please post them up for me, because I really just don't know where to start.
Thanks!
Start here, read and learn
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
welcome to the club, please read all the Sticky topics on the main page of HERMES Upgrading ect...
if you still have any questions or concerns then post your next question...
happy reading
Oh god... come in sucker.
First of all, before you even start using your phone, SIM unlock it, super CID it, install Bootloader 1.11 but not 1.04 unless you have Olipro 1.02b or you have acces to KITL, then flash every ROM you can find until sleep deprivation affects your marriage your job and you forget the name of your eldest child.
Then after two months of owning a phone that almost never is in a working state, you'll get it stuck in bootloader mode just after you suffered your first white screen of death, and in desperation you will call your carrier with a string of lies and send it back for a replacement.
Then you start the whole process again...
Have fun... not.
esseff said:
Oh god... come in sucker.
First of all, before you even start using your phone, SIM unlock it, super CID it, install Bootloader 1.11 but not 1.04 unless you have Olipro 1.02b or you have acces to KITL, then flash every ROM you can find until sleep deprivation affects your marriage your job and you forget the name of your eldest child.
Then after two months of owning a phone that almost never is in a working state, you'll get it stuck in bootloader mode just after you suffered your first white screen of death, and in desperation you will call your carrier with a string of lies and send it back for a replacement.
Then you start the whole process again...
Have fun... not.
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LOL - that is funny, but a little pessimistic.
If you have hacked your Blackjack to shreads, you will have no problem.
Start with MrVanx Upgrade Guides to see the process.
Then, once you have a feel for the bits and pieces of the process, read through the wiki and forums and you will be able to sort through the threds of relavence. It is really not THAT hard once you have done a little homework.
Most important thing - the first thing you should do is upgrade the SPL to Olipro's HardSPLv7 - do that first - that way you can recover from just about anything.
Rest assured, if you have a little experience, educate yourself and follow the guides to get started, your device will work 99% of the time. Don't fret.
I am also one of those new users and my 8525 is coming in a few days but i'm a bit technical about computers so i tend to grab it quickly, i DON'T want to play around with my mobile, i just want to unlock it, then put it to some good windows mobile 6, and then forget about it till windows mobile 7 comes, does that mean i use pof's sim unlocker v3a to unlock my phone...
alternative is Hard-SPL, if thati have seen that making your phone supercid seems dangerous and the safer s true i simply apply hard-spl on my phone? (though i don't even know what it does if its a utility or a piece of code integrated into your phone or a custom bootloader ), after applying hardspl, i simply follow the legitimate official instructions to install TyTN Mobile 6 official rom as if my 8525 was a HTC TyTN?
I just want my final goal to be Mobile 6.0 Unlocked in the safest go...
encryptedmaniac said:
I am also one of those new users and my 8525 is coming in a few days but i'm a bit technical about computers so i tend to grab it quickly, i DON'T want to play around with my mobile, i just want to unlock it, then put it to some good windows mobile 6, and then forget about it till windows mobile 7 comes, does that mean i use pof's sim unlocker v3a to unlock my phone...
alternative is Hard-SPL, if thati have seen that making your phone supercid seems dangerous and the safer s true i simply apply hard-spl on my phone? (though i don't even know what it does if its a utility or a piece of code integrated into your phone or a custom bootloader ), after applying hardspl, i simply follow the legitimate official instructions to install TyTN Mobile 6 official rom as if my 8525 was a HTC TyTN?
I just want my final goal to be Mobile 6.0 Unlocked in the safest go...
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How do you know that WM5 isn't good enough for you? If the only thing you want on your phone is WM6, why didn't you buy one with this pre-installed? Maybe you should spend some more time reading before you get, and break your new toy - all the best links are already posted above and if you'd read them you wouldn't be posting these questions.
todd_jg said:
LOL - that is funny, but a little pessimistic.
If you have hacked your Blackjack to shreads, you will have no problem.
Start with MrVanx Upgrade Guides to see the process.
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Pessimistic?
That link lists no fewer than five operating systems, for one device, all WM6!!!
Which one works??? This is ridiculous!
This is worse than linux!
...head...spinning...
Thanks for the advice to everyone who gave it... I got my Hermes at 1 this afternoon and it's been sitting on my desk, charging and keeping me from really getting any work done all afternoon. I'm going to assume that all the acronyms y'all are throwing at me will be explained in the wikis...
Don't freak them out guys , get it unlock it install official go to bed happy, if you want to go crazy over installing different versions of roms all the time do so but check the safety steps first (many guides here, Mr. Vanx's is a great place to start) mind you there is no 100% safe option and most of the roms are more or less the same, you can always add cab files of things you want, it's better to stick to a clean rom. If you play with it there might be a chance you screw it... badly (even if you know what you're doing)
Me I just updated the official WM6 (which was released sooooo long later) thankfully in your case you don't have to wait.
Either way congrads on the phone and enjoy it, some small issues aside you have a great piece of hardware there.
CSMR said:
Pessimistic?
That link lists no fewer than five operating systems, for one device, all WM6!!!
Which one works??? This is ridiculous!
This is worse than linux!
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Nothing is worse than Linux!!!!!
d.butters said:
I have an AT&T 8525 arriving tomorrow and I'm so excited by the possibilities... but at the same time I'm just by all the different jargon and things that everyone seems to know about. I'm coming from a Blackjack which I've hacked the crap out of but this just seems so much more complicated. Anyway, hello, if you have any suggestions for someone who has never had an HTC before, please post them up for me, because I really just don't know where to start.
Thanks!
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welcome... i was like you for a while... i'm a new hermes 8525 owner too... read and learn before you really dive in... understand the terminology and jargon for a while... get used to using your phone in stock mode for a while before moving forward... being familiar with it is important... then the first thing you should install when you decide to is hardspl... good luck...
thanks again to everyone! I have to say that the MrVanx Upgrade Guides link was the best, most helpful thing anyone could have pointed me at - step-by-step instructions to flash my hermes with a new ROM. It was great. The forums also yielded CABs and all sorts of other helpful links that have set me up with a near - perfect phone.
Of course, now I'm bored. what's the next step? 'cooking' my own ROMs? where do I start with that? what are 'kitchens'? I know there's lots out there. thanks again for the help y'all have given!!!
esseff said:
Nothing is worse than Linux!!!!!
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hey now hey now, that's a bit mean. Linux does after all give you the whole house, while Microsoft only gives you the Windows
ok, maybe i'm just causing a bit of trouble hehe... just ignore me hehehe
d.butters said:
thanks again to everyone! I have to say that the MrVanx Upgrade Guides link was the best, most helpful thing anyone could have pointed me at - step-by-step instructions to flash my hermes with a new ROM. It was great. The forums also yielded CABs and all sorts of other helpful links that have set me up with a near - perfect phone.
Of course, now I'm bored. what's the next step? 'cooking' my own ROMs? where do I start with that? what are 'kitchens'? I know there's lots out there. thanks again for the help y'all have given!!!
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So, I can't read your nick without thinking of the Lethal Weapon movie with Chris Rock. He was detective Butters or something. Anywa, I digress...
I think your next logical step is one of two paths:
1. Cooking and coding - either for yourself or for a new release, if you come up with something you think is different or cool for the community - home cooked customization apps are quite popular - settings backup/recover solutions too - fewer options out there for that right now
or
2. Documenting - maybe something you could work with MrVanx on if you want to pick up an area that is not well documented adn try to document it for folks
For cooking, start HERE IN THE WIKI and see what you can figure out. I am not sure if all the latest kitchen releases are in here, but it is a good start. Follow the links then do some additional searches - lot's of cool stuff... enjoy...
First I would like to thank the community it is by following your amazing posts that I have been able to get my phone upgraded to windows mobile 6.1 with gps and rev A.
1. I would like to know is there a easy way to flash just the boot splash back to verizon in case of warranty.
2. Is that a way to change the number of the bootloader and current rom number to match what you find on a stock verizon phone.
as when I took for phone in to swap it out because of a defective keyboard the checked the boot up number be did not notice it was wm6.1 lol
thanks again
sorry If this has been answer else where I did a Google search for here and ppx ggeks
Guys, you really should start using the wiki as that's what it's there for. There are stickies at the top of the forum and nobody uses them.
Every single one of your questions is answered in the wiki.
sorry still new around did not mean to be a noob
hey sreed77, welcome to the community!
gc14 is right, they are answered on the wiki but sometimes its tough to find info there, we understand that.
both of your questions can be summed up simply with one statement: dont return your phone for replacement if it is not stock. Its very easy to return your phone back to the stock config. If you ever need to, just download the SPL relocker. there are tons of links around here for that. Its made by the same guy that makes the original unlocker (2.4 HARD-SPL) and it basically changes that fancy multicolor screen back to the one that HTC originally shipped. at that point just go to htc's website and download the newest verizon rom. www.htc.com/us/ i think is the address and then click on support.
actually i take that back. install the new verizon rom from htc first then relock it. (it really shouldnt matter but sometimes installing roms will give you issues if you are not unlocked).
i have done this twice to my modded 6.1 phones. once you have downloaded the new roms from HTC, those will flash the current (non hacked) radios as well as the roms. everytime i have sent mine in, i dont even bother setting up the device. the first time the warranty people see my phone, they have to do the screen calibration if you have any other questions, just ask. this is a community of people who all started out not knowing jack at one point or another
Hi,
I'm in Aus and has touch pro (Three Australia) upgraded to Cooked ROM (DNS v15 or something like that) a couple months back and since i haven't visited this site... and now i'm thinking of upgrading (just checking if it's worth doing it) and all i see is FUZE FuZE fUzE everywhere....
I have been researching and it seem they're the same but ATT in USA called it Fuze... am i correct? what is the different? If i upgrade the ROM to fuze will my network still working oketc? what is the benefit and disadvantage of upgrading?
Much appreciated guys!
The Fuze doesn't have the front camera and it works with the US 3G bands.
"The invention of the flame-thrower suggest that someone thought, "you know, I'd really like to set that stuff on fire over there, but I just can't be bothered to walk.""
Hahahahaha So true...
x-online said:
Hi,
I'm in Aus and has touch pro (Three Australia) upgraded to Cooked ROM (DNS v15 or something like that) a couple months back and since i haven't visited this site... and now i'm thinking of upgrading (just checking if it's worth doing it) and all i see is FUZE FuZE fUzE everywhere....
I have been researching and it seem they're the same but ATT in USA called it Fuze... am i correct? what is the different? If i upgrade the ROM to fuze will my network still working oketc? what is the benefit and disadvantage of upgrading?
Much appreciated guys!
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This has been covered many times before and a simple search would have answered your question. The fuze is the alias given by AT&T for the 3G (GSM) touch pro. You CAN flash a fuze rom on a TP as long as it is GSM not CDMA and all you will need is a keyboard fix to revert the keyboard to the TP keyboard. The benefits of upgrading differ from rom to rom. I personally use the PROven ROM which is unprotected so you can recook the rom but have used the NATF ROM and they both work great. The Da_G ROM is great if you are looking for a clean rom.
x-online said:
Hi,
I'm in Aus and has touch pro (Three Australia) upgraded to Cooked ROM (DNS v15 or something like that) a couple months back and since i haven't visited this site... and now i'm thinking of upgrading (just checking if it's worth doing it) and all i see is FUZE FuZE fUzE everywhere....
I have been researching and it seem they're the same but ATT in USA called it Fuze... am i correct? what is the different? If i upgrade the ROM to fuze will my network still working oketc? what is the benefit and disadvantage of upgrading?
Much appreciated guys!
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Just as a caution I suggest you read the rom specs prior to loading. Some of the US "Fuze" Roms do not do Video calling. Not really a big thing in the USA. So strongly suggest you do some research and ensure what you download has the functionality that you require. Da_G's Roms seem to have video dialing if you require it and I'm sure some of the others do too. If you like what you get a donation to the chef always goes a long way.
Hi,
I did a 15 minutes searched based on google and xda forum and only 'some' of the post that make sense. anyhow thank you for explaining. I hardly ever use the video call. Normal phone call and VOIP and GPS is probably the most thing i use in the phone
thanks again everyone for the replied, have a great x'mas and new year
Hi,
I did a 15 minutes searched based on google and xda forum and only 'some' of the post that make sense. anyhow thank you for explaining. I hardly ever use the video call. Normal phone call and VOIP and GPS is probably the most thing i use in the phone
thanks again everyone for the replied, have a great x'mas and new year
Hi there, I'm a Dream and Desire owner who has rooted both handsets and I'm reasonably confident I can follow instructions
A colleague at work has just ordered the Hero on Orange (UK), and she's gone online and started reading up on it - first mistake! She's come across a few complaints concerning the Orange ROM and she's asked me "the phone guy" how easy it is to load the HTC ROM onto her phone.
I was caught on the hop, having never even seen a Hero in real life, nor followed the XDA forums for this particular handset. I have a few questions for you guys, if you don't mind - will likely save me hours of reading
1. What version of Android are Orange dishing out on their Heros atm? Donut or Eclair?
2. Depending on the answer to above, please point me in the direction of a rooting guide for the thing.
3. If I can root, what's the best developer ROM around for SPEED and STABILITY? This is a one time thing, I don't want her running back to me every other week, with problems that I can't solve there and then without flashing the thing all the time.
4. If root can't be achieved, can I use a goldcard method to load up the HTC ROM instead? Show me where/how please.
5. What are the known problems with the Orange ROMs - is it even worth me going to the trouble? Will loading up the HTC ROM make a noticeable difference for her?
Finally, she hasn't even got the thing yet, and since I've never had it I can't imagine what probs she may run into. It would be nice to educate her and get on these forums reading and doing stuff herself, but I don't think that will happen tbh. With that in mind I'm looking for suggestions to optimise the thing for permanent daily use. I don't want bleeding edge, just as much performance as I can squeeze out of it without compromising reliability.
Many thanks for your replies - don't be afraid to get technical with me!
setspeed said:
Hi there, I'm a Dream and Desire owner who has rooted both handsets and I'm reasonably confident I can follow instructions
A colleague at work has just ordered the Hero on Orange (UK), and she's gone online and started reading up on it - first mistake! She's come across a few complaints concerning the Orange ROM and she's asked me "the phone guy" how easy it is to load the HTC ROM onto her phone.
I was caught on the hop, having never even seen a Hero in real life, nor followed the XDA forums for this particular handset. I have a few questions for you guys, if you don't mind - will likely save me hours of reading
1. What version of Android are Orange dishing out on their Heros atm? Donut or Eclair?
2. Depending on the answer to above, please point me in the direction of a rooting guide for the thing.
3. If I can root, what's the best developer ROM around for SPEED and STABILITY? This is a one time thing, I don't want her running back to me every other week, with problems that I can't solve there and then without flashing the thing all the time.
4. If root can't be achieved, can I use a goldcard method to load up the HTC ROM instead? Show me where/how please.
5. What are the known problems with the Orange ROMs - is it even worth me going to the trouble? Will loading up the HTC ROM make a noticeable difference for her?
Finally, she hasn't even got the thing yet, and since I've never had it I can't imagine what probs she may run into. It would be nice to educate her and get on these forums reading and doing stuff herself, but I don't think that will happen tbh. With that in mind I'm looking for suggestions to optimise the thing for permanent daily use. I don't want bleeding edge, just as much performance as I can squeeze out of it without compromising reliability.
Many thanks for your replies - don't be afraid to get technical with me!
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1) Should be 1.5 (can't remember codename) as I don't think they have finished customising their own 2.1 ROM.
I doubt many carriers will do 2.1 on shipped phones, as hero is at end of life tbh and likely won't be made in large enough quantities to justify using new ROM.
2) http://www.villainrom.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=375
3) VillainROM 12 or any other final GSM WWE should be fine. Just test if a little and it should be fine. Watch out for OC settings if you want it to be noob-proof. Go for safe settings.
4) That guide explains all methods
5) No idea. IMHO carrier ROMs are all crap, just like stock ones. No root is the big one for me.
Just install a decent ROM for this last point. Anything recent that's been up for a while without many updates should be fine
Thanks anon2122, that helps me out a lot
setspeed said:
Hi there, I'm a Dream and Desire owner who has rooted both handsets and I'm reasonably confident I can follow instructions
A colleague at work has just ordered the Hero on Orange (UK), and she's gone online and started reading up on it - first mistake! She's come across a few complaints concerning the Orange ROM and she's asked me "the phone guy" how easy it is to load the HTC ROM onto her phone.
I was caught on the hop, having never even seen a Hero in real life, nor followed the XDA forums for this particular handset. I have a few questions for you guys, if you don't mind - will likely save me hours of reading
1. What version of Android are Orange dishing out on their Heros atm? Donut or Eclair?
2. Depending on the answer to above, please point me in the direction of a rooting guide for the thing.
3. If I can root, what's the best developer ROM around for SPEED and STABILITY? This is a one time thing, I don't want her running back to me every other week, with problems that I can't solve there and then without flashing the thing all the time.
4. If root can't be achieved, can I use a goldcard method to load up the HTC ROM instead? Show me where/how please.
5. What are the known problems with the Orange ROMs - is it even worth me going to the trouble? Will loading up the HTC ROM make a noticeable difference for her?
Finally, she hasn't even got the thing yet, and since I've never had it I can't imagine what probs she may run into. It would be nice to educate her and get on these forums reading and doing stuff herself, but I don't think that will happen tbh. With that in mind I'm looking for suggestions to optimise the thing for permanent daily use. I don't want bleeding edge, just as much performance as I can squeeze out of it without compromising reliability.
Many thanks for your replies - don't be afraid to get technical with me!
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1. 1.5 ROM version 2.73.61.5
More info here :
http://www.htc.com/uk/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=283&cat=2&dl_id=675
2. rooting guide use the unlockr :
More info :
http://theunlockr.com/2009/08/27/how-to-root-your-htc-hero-in-one-click/
3. I my self use Sensehero ( only as i am to use to Sense Ui ) Nothing against VillainROM its a nice fast rom,
4. No need for goldcard if you follow the unlockr how to,
5. There is not many issues with the orange rom, i only changed for apps to sd (a2sd) and wanted root access,
But thats just my self.
Regards
Steven
there are some htc hero orange users who are having problem in debranding it due to some radio issues.
As im new to this forum im not aloowed to post linkes i guess
but here it is androidforums.com/htc-hero/112255-guide-beat-wait-2-1-branded-phones-uk.html
agarp said:
there are some htc hero orange users who are having problem in debranding it due to some radio issues.
As im new to this forum im not aloowed to post linkes i guess
but here it is androidforums.com/htc-hero/112255-guide-beat-wait-2-1-branded-phones-uk.html
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True, but there's a working radio on the VillainROM site for orange users which came out just days before the GSM WWE ROM
anon2122 said:
True, but there's a working radio on the VillainROM site for orange users which came out just days before the GSM WWE ROM
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ohh i see can you give me a link, because im also interested.
agarp said:
ohh i see can you give me a link, because im also interested.
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Unfortunately not right now, as the server appears to be down
But it will be back soon. When it is, go to development forum, then in the list of announcements is one for radio rom download links.
Click that, and take the second newest one iirc. Or read the later posts for people confirming which version works on which network.
www.villainrom.co.uk
anon2122 said:
Unfortunately not right now, as the server appears to be down
But it will be back soon. When it is, go to development forum, then in the list of announcements is one for radio rom download links.
Click that, and take the second newest one iirc. Or read the later posts for people confirming which version works on which network.
www.villainrom.co.uk
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thnxx alot ill try it out