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Hi Guys!
First of all thanks to all the folks out there who posted these ROMS etc. Keep up the good work.
Like to share my experience with the upgrade from 1.72.00 WWE / 1.14 to 2.06.00 WWE / 1.18.00. My bootloader is 1.03.
1. The update went smooth using step by step instructions by DCS and Mystery Man's ROM file (it gave an error at first '...cannot continue the upgrade. Restart the PDA and reconnect...' which I did and it worked fine from there on. I upgraded again a second time and it worked fine at first attempt.
2. The applications are all working although some icons/shortcuts have disappeared:
a) The File Explorer was there initially but after some time (or probably after installing some package) it just disappeared. I have installed the FREE Pocket Explorer in its place although I still wish I could restore the original. Any ideas? :?
b) I can launch Contacts from Phone application but there is no icon/shortcut for it anywhere else. It is not even available in Assign Buttons application and thus I have assigned Photo Contacts instead to the button. :roll:
c) Similarly Calendar items are available in Today screen and opens the calendar but the icon/shortcut is not available anywhere. Not even in Assign Buttons. :roll:
d) The Bluetooth connection icon in Taskbar is not available. Although the properties can be handled through Start->settings etc. :?
e) Camera does NOT work smoothly in Landscape mode. Well, its a bit tricky. If I first switch to Landscape and then turn on the camera, it opens in portrait mode. Now if I click the Contacts button, it switches to landscape. Good enough for me tough.
I will post more comments when I have more experience with SE.
Meanwhile, I will appreciate any help regarding the problems I am facing. :!:
Cheers!
Anyone here who stick and use WM2005 and no any plan of reverting it back to 2003se? i need your opinion why do you want stick with 2005 instead of se.
Becouse some of you dont have problems running 2005 some have and i have.
Well its my first ever post on here tho ive bben lurking for a year or so.ive done all the upgrades over the last year for the XDAII and i got to say the recent WM2005 O2 version found on here is perfect.
however like all new os'S there is alway going to be something that wont work correct.but this version of WM2005 is very good,for the first time ive got MSN,OUTLOOK EMAIL,O2 EMAIL,SMS,MMS all fully working without any glitches through my mobile phone isp O2-UK.
I had patiently waited for someone to crack the RAM problem and now they have id say go for it.
one tip put the HimaClearJumpCode file from a previous rom in the same directory b4 upgrading it saves having to configure it to in bootloader screen.basically just click your mouse and following the onscreen instructions!.
brian
I am currently using Wm2003se2.2.0.7WWE I think it is, but since it was translated from Chinese, there are a few bits that don't look right, but other than that, it's fast, supports handsfree, and is the most stable 2003se ROM I have tried out of about 3 so far.
I am very tempted to try 2005, I even downloaded it yesterday in case I feel adventurous later.
I have AS4 running on my PC already, and although avantgo doesn't work, it seems much faster.
But since you are so happy with it on a UK network, I may well give it a try later on today after some meetings are out of the way, and I have some time to kill.
I installed WM5.0 a week ago and I already know that I won't be looking back to old OSes.
It's simply the best ever (I've been using Pocket PC since 2000) so I know what I'm talking about.
I can live with the few incompatibility problems I have encountered because I know they will be fixed soon by the talented people of XDA-Developers.com. They always do.
At first I installed WM5.0 to "test it" and to see what was all the "Buzz" about... (got that? hehehe)
But since that day, I noticed how quickly Buzz, Toe, JoJo and the gang fixes the "problems" so I more o less feel complete.
The overall performance of the PDA and the Phone is impresive!
The only thing I miss from previous versions is the Video Capture quality. This one simply sucks, but I'm confident that the gang will fix this soon!
P.S.- Again, I would like to thank Buzz, Toe, JoJo, mamiach and the rest of talented people for this marvelous release!
Best regards,
Rayan
OK, so far, I love it, but there are a couple of things that are proving to be a pain for me.
1) I can't install TomTom 3, need to find some GPS software that will work by the end of this week if I am going to keep 2005 on this device.
2) I don't know if my Socket BT GPS works because I have no GPS software to test it with.
Anyone got any suggestions for UK GOS software that works?
I'm sticking with WM2005
Since I installed it I have noticed the following benifits:
Performance is noticeably improved over any 2003/2003se roms I've run.
The anoying tendency to have both the BlueTooth Headset and the built-in speaker/microphone live during a call has been resolved.
My Frogpad BT keyboard is also natively supported. Overall a great experience!
The only problem I have encountered is the tendency of the MSN messenger piece to behave oddly. It'll sign on, get presence information for people, then when I try to start a conversation it will give me the conversation screen then take about 60 seconds while it claims it is 'connecting' In addition on occasion it will come back and state that a IM could not be delivered, but if I copy and paste it back in it works. It also has decided to put my e-mail attachments on the NAND partition rather than the SD partition.
I brought these issues up with my Microsoft TAM yesterday and he laughed.... Perhaps I should not have phrased it as 'Do you think it would be OK for me to open a ticket for my non-release beta copy of WM2005 that I got over the internet?'
Robert Harrold
I-Mate Pocket PC (AKA XDA II)
Rom Version 1.50f.b WWE
Radio version 1.18.00
Installed programs:
Microsoft Reader
Adobe Reader for Pocket PC 2.0
OK, I love this, and I would really like to keep it, but, my Stowaway XT keyboard doesn't want to work either. I know it's only a driver issue, but it's still an issue for me.
I haven't even tried the VGA backpack yet :/
after all the xda is working for my every-day needs i will stay with buzzmobile 2005
I have used the wm2005, but the big thing that bothers me is that xbackup and spb pocketplus doesn't work. (battery indicator bar at the top, I love it! I first though it was some kind of bug, but now I never want any other battery level indicator.
For tomtom3 i'm using tomtom 4.40 now (works also with wm2005).
But there is nothing more worse then a sudden hard reset, and you can't restore any contacts because xbackup doesnt work.
Also I tried almost all of the roms here, and in my opinion the diamondrom 1.2 is the best complete and stable rom around here.
As long as xbackup isnt fixed on wm2005 i can't use it. Don't want to install all kinds of backup and restore programs. After a hard reset start xbackup and make a call.
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But there is nothing more worse then a sudden hard reset, and you can't restore any contacts because xbackup doesnt work.
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As long as xbackup isnt fixed on wm2005 i can't use it. Don't want to install all kinds of backup and restore programs. After a hard reset start xbackup and make a call.
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What are you talking about?
Isn't persistant memory one of Windows Mobile 5.0 main features?
I have performed a couple of Hard Resets on purpose just to see if the whole system survives and let me tell you that it works flawlessly.
I can live without Sprite Backup for the time being!!!.... :lol:
I successfully upgraded to WM2005 but am unable to get the hardreset to work (the key sequence I am using is power button + record button + camera button + soft reset hole, all at the same time). I have verified that each of these buttons works individually. Any ideas what I could be doing wrong?
Also, when my xda is off, there is sometimes a pattern of faint black vertical lines on the screen which disappear when its turned on. I hadn't seen them before I upgraded to 2005.
Any help would be appreciated!
re WM2005
I found the hard reset combination quite tricky to do, took me a few tries to do it. Just hold the camera and record buttons very firmly, press the the power button and also stick the stylus in the reset hole. Keep holding the buttons for 3 seconds after you've felt the stylus nudge the reset button.
I'm using WM2005 and have found ActiveSync using GPRS to be a little less reliable than before. I have had to soft-reset 2x in the last 24hours to get GPRS working. It simply fails to connect when requested and says cannot find www.vodafone.net.nz (the APN for Vodafone NZ). When I reset it works beautifully.
Also it seems to me to be slightly slower than 2003SE. I don't know if it's the extra animations making it *appear* slower but it does feel less reponsive. Particularly opening messages and moving them. I was using 2003SE 2.06 and then 2.20-translated prior.
However, the extra ease of use that 2005 gives makes up for this by being more productive with the time I do spend on the device.
SPB Pocket Plus definitely does not work as I'd like it to and I miss the battery meter on the top bar, plus the multiple IE windows. The IE browser is much better on 2005 though and is quicker overall.
It works great with my Bluetrek G2 headset, no change in audio quality over 2003SE.
The Pocket MSN integration with Hotmail, MSN etc is amazing and very well done. If you use Hotmail and/or MSN Messenger a lot you'll love 2005.
I'm just doing some testing to see if Intellipad is losing my predictive text words. It seems like every time I soft-reset the words I manually added disappear
Intellidialer is a big loss too which I really miss. Can't wait for the 2005 port.
All in all, a good OS and major improvements, but yep a little buggy still. I'd recommend it if you don't mind soft resetting often and living with a few quirks, for the sake of improved useability and a better (in most places) interface.
My record + camera buttons don't work either in 2005 btw.
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Forgot to mention -- RemotelyAnywhere doesn't work with Remote control either.
The ActiveX control that is designed for PocketPCs only works on PPC2002 or 2003, not 2005.
If you need to remotely control a PC or server then you will be stuck.
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Also, when my xda is off, there is sometimes a pattern of faint black vertical lines on the screen which disappear when its turned on. I hadn't seen them before I upgraded to 2005.
Any help would be appreciated!
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Yeah! I noticed the lines today... Any other people with the same artifacts on the screen? :?:
Been using Buz-an-Co mobile 2005 for a while now, absolutely no intention of removing at all. Fair enough somethings dont work, but on the whole, its more stable, i find it faster, BT works the way its ment to, and it looks just so cool! i sync my contacts in outlook and store all my data on the Rom OR SD-Card so i'll never actualy lose anything of importance..... AND and by far the most important reason......I can give me mates with the XDA IIi the two fingers! ahh u may have wifi but u cant get 2005 working!! )
My only serious gripe is MSN messanger not working (fixed by using Agile messanger) and Tomtom 3's total refusal to install. (on that note i was able to start the install process and just before it crashes find the cab files in a temp directory and install them manually, it installed but when you run it, it comes up with "voice files not installed, blar blar" then the program runs for a second before crashing to desktop.)
Rayan said:
reachhusain said:
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Also, when my xda is off, there is sometimes a pattern of faint black vertical lines on the screen which disappear when its turned on. I hadn't seen them before I upgraded to 2005.
Any help would be appreciated!
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Yeah! I noticed the lines today... Any other people with the same artifacts on the screen? :?:
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Yup, occasionally
dazza8082 said:
Been using Buz-an-Co mobile 2005 for a while now, absolutely no intention of removing at all. Fair enough somethings dont work, but on the whole, its more stable, i find it faster, BT works the way its ment to, and it looks just so cool! i sync my contacts in outlook and store all my data on the Rom OR SD-Card so i'll never actualy lose anything of importance..... AND and by far the most important reason......I can give me mates with the XDA IIi the two fingers! ahh u may have wifi but u cant get 2005 working!! )
My only serious gripe is MSN messanger not working (fixed by using Agile messanger) and Tomtom 3's total refusal to install. (on that note i was able to start the install process and just before it crashes find the cab files in a temp directory and install them manually, it installed but when you run it, it comes up with "voice files not installed, blar blar" then the program runs for a second before crashing to desktop.)
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Agile messenger works a treat on WM2005, and you can connect to MSN, AOL, ICQ etc...
Apparently WM2005 is smartphone compatible, so you could try TomTom mobile, I've heard it works, but the touch-screen doesn't (as it's built for phones). Haven't tried it myself though.
I will also not go back to 2003SE.
I'm using the full version since Saturday and I have no issues at all. All my buttons work. OK, once in a while the XDA freezes and I need a softreset, but that's more likely from the applications I installed which are maybe not 100% Magneto compatible. Also, I'm still trying to get the USB syncing to work. So far I sync via bluetooth.
I love that Contacts syncs the picture from Outlook on the PC. Much better than all the picture-caller ID software.
But really best of all: I don't have to be scared of hardresets anymore and I can use the XDAII until the battery is down.
I was thinking about buying the Mini or maybe the XDA IV when it comes out later this year. But I have decided to continue using my XDAII since it is just great with Magneto.
Cheers
Pat
I am interested to see why people think that they don't have to be scared of hard resets?
The Himalaya does *not* support persistant storage, unless you choose to save something to the flash rom, or SD card, you *will* lose it after a hard reset.
The OS does not give you the safety of the new features, that's still a hardware issue, so don't think you have persistant storage because the OS supports it.
WM2005
Hi,
I have installed WM2005 and fall back to WM2003SE twice.
1st: the chinese software CEstar cause the touch screen to hang (no respond) when I install it. Reinstall the WM2005 still face the same problem, so 1st fall back to WM2003SE.
2nd: After installing the WM2005, my Spectec SDIO wifi don't seem to be able to have the transmitter on. Able to see network available but cannot connect. Tried reinstall the driver but no result. Waiting for Spectec to reply regards to the driver. So 2nd fall back to WM2003SE.
Ric
but it does support a form of persistant storage as in permenent save / storage on the old roms
not really enough though.......
and if the persistant storage of newer devices save the data in flash then could it not be troublesome in the long run since flash have a limited times you can write on it before it goes belly up
much like a cd-rw or dvd-rw disc
I'm running the DCD WM6.1 ROM for my Mogul along with SPB Pocket Plus 4.0.2.
I've noticed that often the device hangs after a reboot while loading the plugins if I have Pocket Plus enabled.
However, if I use the SPB Mobile Shell 2.0 plugin, which allows you to embed today plugins into tabs but not shortcuts and embed the Pocket Plus plugin into the Mobile Shell plugin, it works fine. (Sorry that sentence seems a little confusing.)
Anyone else have problems with Pocket Plus? Do you have any work arounds? I read something about applications all starting at the same time can result in problems but I couldn't find a way to delay the startup of a Today plugin...
I'd just use Mobile Shell but you can't put shortcuts into it's tabs other than "Home."
I have WM 6.1 & Pocket Plus 4.0.2 as well & run it with no problems. I integrate a lot of the Mobile Shell plugins into the Pocket plus tabs with no problems. DO you have the same problem when you run Pocket plus with the default tabs, i.e., no extra plugins running?
no problems
I have no problems with PP. Is it installed on the phone not the card?
I as well have the 6.1 + Pocket Plus 4.0.2, and I have had problems. Something is just not right. Usually, after a soft reset, it does hang. Takes just about 5 resets till it comes back. But, fortunate for me, I play around with a lot of different programs and have found these facts: 1) If Pocket Plus 4.0.2 is installed on the today screen, it would therefore be in the start up folder. And this is where the problem is. 2) But, if it is installed into another program that plays well with startup then, Pocket Plus is not the initial startup program and all works! So, as stated, SPB Mobile Shell is an excellent fix. But, I personally use Ultimate Launch. That program is the $*it! If your not willing or don't want neither programs this, I'm afraid will always happen. Maybe it's something with the rom or perhaps, Pocket Plus but, never the less it's there but, can be avoided.
yeah, i have the same issue, it keeps part of the green wm6.1 spash and the pp plugin is non responsive, if i let it sit it will lock up the entire device, if i hit the start menu key and launch something from there liek file explorer then close it right away its fine
In startup not the problem
I have alsways have Pocket plus in my startup. It is the core of my Home screen. It loads with no problems at all. There must be something else interfering as that is not the problem.
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I have alsways have Pocket plus in my startup. It is the core of my Home screen. It loads with no problems at all. There must be something else interfering as that is not the problem.
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ive only had the problem with wm6.1, are you running 6.0 or 6.1?
6.1
I am running 6.1 Professional.
With which kitchen did you compile your 6.1 rom?
Hmmm... I have personally had this problem since gettin the DCD 6.1 kitchen with Pocket Plus. And so have many others. I can not possibly see how your not having the same exact issue unless you are cooking in a different kitchen or someone else compiled the rom (using a different kitchen).
kitchen
Flashed mine a while ago, but I am fairly sure that it was Randomize. It is called Storm 2.1
Hi guys, I have been going thru tis forum for quite sumtime now and i must tell u that it is the most comprehensive forum dedicated to xda range of fonez.
I'l be picking up a HTC P3400i tomorrow. I remember seeing a thread on installing a software similar to the htc touch flow onto a P3400i.
But sumhow, i cant find it no more. I would be amazing greatful to whoever can get me the link to that thread.
I kno im in for alot of flak for posting tis thread, but i really did search the whole forum but codnt find anytin.
Again, im sorry for wasting a thread.
Apologize!
Hi did you get it ? even i am looking for the same . Can you please mail me the link if you get it . My id is [email protected]
Thanks
There are 3 ways to get TouchFlo on P3400i:
1. Upgrading to a Windows Mobile 6.1 ROM with TouchFlo Embedded : TouchFlo performs best when it is embedded in a ROM. Study about rom flashing a bit and the pros and cons associated with a particular ROM and then upgrade to a windows mobile 6.1 ROM with touchflo embedded. That will give improved performance along with the goodies.
Be warned that its a dangerous process so take utmost care. Plus before flashing a ROM make sure its for your phone or not, plus if there are any limitations with it, if any. For P3400i, only one ROM is available as of now and that is Lomlom's fusion 9.0 ROM for new gene. The thread for that is in this part of the forum itself.
2. Installing the original TouchFlo (Manilla 2D): Original Touchflo that comes with HTC Viva, Touch Diamond etc is known by the name Manilla 2D, so search for this name. You can find it on this forum, but beware, in case of a P3400i, it makes the phone very, very , very slow and you will have only 9 MB of phone memory remaining after installing it. Plus, you cannot uninstall it fully without doing a Hard Reset. Simply saying, its not usable.
3. ThrottleLauncher : is a great app that works and looks almost same like the original Manilla 2D but its not that fast too. the good thing with it is that it wont make your phone very slow, although it will be slower than default. This is the safest way to try TouchFlo technology ion your phone. Otherwise, upgrading the ROM is the best possible way, albeit a dangerous one.
Thanks for the quick response I appreciate it very much
I am new to PDA phones and p3400i is my first one and so I don't have much idea about the technical aspects like ROM. So, I would like to try out the safer throttleLauncher i have gone through their website and i have few basic doubts can you please clarify
1) what is soft reset ?
2) To do soft reset do i have to install a new software ? where can i get it and how to install it?
Pardon my ignorance
Thanks a lot
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Thanks for the quick response I appreciate it very much
I am new to PDA phones and p3400i is my first one and so I don't have much idea about the technical aspects like ROM. So, I would like to try out the safer throttleLauncher i have gone through their website and i have few basic doubts can you please clarify
1) what is soft reset ?
2) To do soft reset do i have to install a new software ? where can i get it and how to install it?
Pardon my ignorance
Thanks a lot
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1.Soft reset mean press a very little button that beside the USB port of your gene...it's a reset buton like your PC.
2.up 2 you... you can soft reset by many way install program that make your gene has a soft reset button on the gene screen.
Yes, as PlaiNutto stated, soft reset means to restart your device using the reset button provided at the bottom of the phone, beside the miniusb port that we use to connect data cable and headfone. Its a small hole near it and the button is inside so that it is not pressed accidently. You can press it by using your stylus.
Soft Reset is same is restarting your phone after shutting it down by power key, but it doesnt gives the applications running inside your phone a chance to respond or shut down. Power key provides a little time for apps to shutdown. So Soft Reset button is used when because of a faulty app, the whole OS is stuck and power button is not working.
Soft Reset does not removes any data at all from your device.
In addtion to that, there are many apps available that provide you to soft reset your phone just by running them. But they are only useful if your phone is not hung.
I hope this will clear out all your doubts.
One thing about throttle launcher, install the app only in phone memory, even if it prompts you to select a location at the time of setup. And after installation, goto Start Menu> Settingd> Today and here on the items tab, select only ThrottleLauncher as today item and unselect all other.
Rest you can customize using the configuration utility provided. Please read the documentation about this application from its website to get full benefit from it.
In case of any furthur queries, you are most welcome.
Thanks a lot for the explanation.
I understand it perfectly now
I have another doubt
The second step in the installation procedure is
" Unselect the today plugin if you have it activated "
(http://www.throttlelauncher.com/portal/downloads/34-public-releases/84-094k)
How do i do it ?
In Menu > Setting > Today there is no option to unselect any plugin. There are options only to select a theme and picture and there is a tab for selecting items. So how do i unselect the plugin ?
And also before installing any applications the programme memory is 55 % full so if i install throttle launcher will it slow down my mob drastically ? Is there a way to free the programme memory?
Thanks a lot.
The Items tab that you are talking about is the one used to unselect today plugins. Actually, Today is the screen that you see after exiting all the apps on your phone, the Desktop. On this today screen, there can be various items running like the HTC home plugin, Tasks plugin etc. These items are called Today plugins and can be selected or deselected from that tab. Since throttle launcher uses the entire today screen for itself so there is no space for other plugins. Thats why it is adviced to unselect all the items on the Items tab except for Throttle Launcher.
Filling up of phone memory does not slows down your phone abnormally, but ya, this memory is needed for contacts, sms, mms, email etc so exhausting it completly will cause problems. Also note that since throttle launcher is a processor intensive app, it will make your phone a bit slower.
I would recommend that you stay away from throttle launcher or Manilla like apps. They are not worth so much of the effort. And since you are very new to Windows Mobile, you wont be able to configure throttle launcher easily to get full benefit of it. The best option for you is Manilla 2D cooked into the ROM of your mobile, but since you are a newbie, i wont recommend that too. I think you should enjoy your mobile with its original capabilities and later when you become more confident with the internals of the WIndows Mobile OS, you can flash your phone with a good ROM. I too used a Manilla 2D cooked ROm on my gene for sometime, but none of these custom ROM provide as good functionality as the original one, there are errors here and there on all of them.
Rest is upto you, you decide yourself. Enjoy Windows Mobile buddy and keep exploring it, there's an ocean of possibilities inside this OS
krazy...THANKS FOR THE INFO..
Hi All,
I'm seeking the opinion of current Rose owners.
The north american version of the Rose is about to be released in Canada (labelled as HTC S743) It looks to be identical in all respects to the S740 except that the radio is adjusted for north american 3G frequencies.
I'm currently using the S730 and I used to have a VOX until my wife decided that she liked it. When I look at the specs for the S743 and the reviews online, my initial reaction is that I MUST have one. But before I go out and spend that kind of money, my questions for you Rose owners are:
Do you find it more responsive than its predecessors? (Wings, Vox)
Does it fit comfortably in your pocket or would you recommend getting a belt-case?
How is the battery life given moderate use? (~1 hour talking each day, bluetooth always on, Directpush mail enabled during working hours)
If you could change one thing about your Rose, what would it be?
I appreciate any opinions you have to offer.
Thanks,
Canuk
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Hi All,
I'm seeking the opinion of current Rose owners.
The north american version of the Rose is about to be released in Canada (labelled as HTC S743) It looks to be identical in all respects to the S740 except that the radio is adjusted for north american 3G frequencies.
I'm currently using the S730 and I used to have a VOX until my wife decided that she liked it. When I look at the specs for the S743 and the reviews online, my initial reaction is that I MUST have one. But before I go out and spend that kind of money, my questions for you Rose owners are:
Do you find it more responsive than its predecessors? (Wings, Vox)
Does it fit comfortably in your pocket or would you recommend getting a belt-case?
How is the battery life given moderate use? (~1 hour talking each day, bluetooth always on, Directpush mail enabled during working hours)
If you could change one thing about your Rose, what would it be?
I appreciate any opinions you have to offer.
Thanks,
Canuk
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Not sure if i am a good reference, since i am absolutely in love with this device. am still trying to answer your questions:
More responsive? absolutely so. owned a vox before that, and these two devices are worlds apart. both processor power and ram wise (ran out of ram on the vox on several occasions resulting in program crashes when simultaniously running nav software and pocket player for example. never happened with the rose so far, and doubt it ever will. not even gonna start talking about lockups on the vox because of the rather feeble processor.)
Will it fit a pocket? depends on your pocket i suppose. fits fine in mine (i do not wear baggy pants. its not really that large anyways. compared to the vox: same depth, slimmer, but a bit longer.)
battery life moderate use? mine lasts for about 24 hours. not sure if that could be a reference point tho: fairly heavy browsing, 3g and bluetooth and ActiveSync push on 24/7, tons of progs running in the background, a2dp stream for 2-3 hours, sometimes some wifi. itll definately last from morning till sometime around midnight.
if i could change one thing? acquiring my baby ripped quite a big hole into my pocket back then...
hope that helps,
.-ombre-.
Released in Canada by whom, and where???
I just got one last week. If you like the Vox & Wings then you'll absolutely love the Rose.
This phone is very responsive. The typical annoyance of HTC smartpones like: unresponsive keypad, d-pad that occasionally missed when action key is pressed are gone. The addition of GPS is a big welcome.
Regarding the size, It's a bit longer but narrower, so it felt good on the palm and can be easily slipped into the pocket. I use a landyard and carry it naked.
Regarding battery life: I push my email and let my messanger on all day and the battery can last for the whole day. So the battery is good.
If I could change one thing: I wish it has video call ability like the wings.
Thanks for your feedback. I really appreciate it and you have helped me make my decision.
Ombre - I share your pain on the cash outlay! Fortunately this would qualify as a legitimate business expense for me so I don't have to shoulder the entire $$ burden myself.
Kardboard - It was supposed to be released on Expansys this Monday, but I've just checked the site and it seems we are going to have to wait for a couple more weeks.
Thanks again!
Canuk
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I'm using HTC S740 for two months now. It is polish language version(I'm from Poland) and there are few things a bit irritating.
First of all, the WM6.1 apps, like Comm Manager, IE, QuickGPS and such, can't be closed other way, than by using task manager. There is an option in Comm Manager labelled "Close" but it doesn't work.
Office, which was installed by HTC, is useless: I can't copy text from any text files. Yesterday I wrote long letter to my friend using Office, I wanted to send it via MMS. I couldn't copy the text, and when I sent her the whole file as attachment to MMS, she got some squares instead of letters.
IE and Opera are terribly slow. Opera is also terribly unstable. I can't login to some sites because even if I select the "log in" button, I can't "click" it. Odd.
CHome Configurator can't edit most of panels on my screen. I can't either add new panels.
And there is also battery cover, which is not holding to the phne well enough, but I think it's only in my phone. Besides, the plastic lens protector is often hard to clean-up and is distorting the photos. It should be made of glass...
And it would be nice to have push-to-talk available as it is rather software-made. The commercial software for PTT can't interface with standard protocol used by my GSM operator, because it uses its own standards and can work only with other phones with proper software installed. And because my friends are using Nokias with native PTT support, I can't communicate with them via PTT...
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I'm using HTC S740 for two months now. It is polish language version(I'm from Poland) and there are few things a bit irritating.
First of all, the WM6.1 apps, like Comm Manager, IE, QuickGPS and such, can't be closed other way, than by using task manager. There is an option in Comm Manager labelled "Close" but it doesn't work.
Office, which was installed by HTC, is useless: I can't copy text from any text files. Yesterday I wrote long letter to my friend using Office, I wanted to send it via MMS. I couldn't copy the text, and when I sent her the whole file as attachment to MMS, she got some squares instead of letters.
IE and Opera are terribly slow. Opera is also terribly unstable. I can't login to some sites because even if I select the "log in" button, I can't "click" it. Odd.
CHome Configurator can't edit most of panels on my screen. I can't either add new panels.
And there is also battery cover, which is not holding to the phne well enough, but I think it's only in my phone. Besides, the plastic lens protector is often hard to clean-up and is distorting the photos. It should be made of glass...
And it would be nice to have push-to-talk available as it is rather software-made. The commercial software for PTT can't interface with standard protocol used by my GSM operator, because it uses its own standards and can work only with other phones with proper software installed. And because my friends are using Nokias with native PTT support, I can't communicate with them via PTT...
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Maybe you're using Opera 9.5 for the PPC and not the SP one (there's no opera 9.5 for the SP).
Just use Iris Browser, latest versions are very good.
Urgon said:
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I'm using HTC S740 for two months now. It is polish language version(I'm from Poland) and there are few things a bit irritating.
First of all, the WM6.1 apps, like Comm Manager, IE, QuickGPS and such, can't be closed other way, than by using task manager. There is an option in Comm Manager labelled "Close" but it doesn't work.
Office, which was installed by HTC, is useless: I can't copy text from any text files. Yesterday I wrote long letter to my friend using Office, I wanted to send it via MMS. I couldn't copy the text, and when I sent her the whole file as attachment to MMS, she got some squares instead of letters.
IE and Opera are terribly slow. Opera is also terribly unstable. I can't login to some sites because even if I select the "log in" button, I can't "click" it. Odd.
CHome Configurator can't edit most of panels on my screen. I can't either add new panels.
And there is also battery cover, which is not holding to the phne well enough, but I think it's only in my phone. Besides, the plastic lens protector is often hard to clean-up and is distorting the photos. It should be made of glass...
And it would be nice to have push-to-talk available as it is rather software-made. The commercial software for PTT can't interface with standard protocol used by my GSM operator, because it uses its own standards and can work only with other phones with proper software installed. And because my friends are using Nokias with native PTT support, I can't communicate with them via PTT...
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To do Cut/Paste, switch/Kill taks, use Smart Tool Kit, it's free:
http://smarttoolkit.wordpress.com/download/
About CHome, I can add windows Live, Contacts (several pages) without any problems.
Opera for smartphone is only version 8.5. Use OperaMini, it's really good and free.
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This program is great. Thank you.
And yes, I used wrong version of Opera. But for now I'll use Iris...
There are also two programs I wish to recommend for any Rose user:
Mobipocket Reader - for ebooks;
Palringo - for IM.
I used Mobipocket Reader before with Nokia E50(Symbian s60v3) and I must tell you: it's very good piece of freeware.
On the other hand Palringo has limited functionality. It can connect with many IM protocols(unfortunately not with Gadu-Gadu), but it has some functions I like: it can send voice messages and photos to anyone on IM contact list and it works well with Jabber transports. I tried few Jabber clients, but they didn't worked well enough...
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To do Cut/Paste, switch/Kill taks, use Smart Tool Kit, it's free:
http://smarttoolkit.wordpress.com/download/...QUOTE]
I must say, also for me is it a nuisance (and incomprehensible) that you can't select text in Word Mobile to copy/cut/paste it.
Actually it makes Word Mobile a useless app.
So I tried Smarttoolkit, but I have a few major problems when running Smarttoolkit (S740 often slows down / freezes, programs folder is empty) and I can't find the edit function.
So, while it seems to have some nice tools, is seems an unfinished product and the option I installed it for doesn't seem to work (or maybe I'm a bit stupid).
Anyone have another solution to select text in Word Mobile ?
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I'm fresh from a nokia e61, here's my take after about a week's worth of use:
Responsiveness is as fast as most smartphones on the market today. Not exactly dumbphone-snappy, but not nearly slow enough to get in your way. The only thing that might bug you is the one-second delay you get when you slide the thing open and shut on anything except the home screen; personally, I didn't mind it that much.
Does it fit comfortably in your pocket or would you recommend getting a belt-case?
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Funny you should ask that…when I first cracked the box open, it had a sticker on the screen that said, I quote, "remove phone from pants pocket before sitting down." Found it kinda ironic, as it's not nearly hefty or bulky enough to actually warrant such a label. To be fair, it's rather hefty compared to most phones, and in fact about as thick as a whiteboard marker. I've found the design hides its bulk quite well (the faceted back cover in fact makes it look slimmer than it is).
Battery life was disappointing, frankly, but as a disclaimer, my previous phone had a ridiculously long-lasting battery for a smartphone. I'm able to pull about a day's worth of usage with auto-checking email every 5 minutes, about 8 texts in and out, 3G on, and light wifi browsing.
Change? I only wish there was some kind of quick-launch panel on the main menu that would let me scroll through and fire up any application I want. Also, kinda ties into the previous point, but a more efficient task-switcher would be welcome. I've noticed the home button doesn't do much else aside from…well…take you home. It would be nice if they mapped a long press of that button to some kind of juiced up task manager.
Another thing that bugs me is the inconsistent function of the "back" button. In some apps it deletes, in other times (like menu navigation) it takes you to the previously viewed menu/app, some other times it serves as a back button from within an application.
As for fortes, I think the best feature would be HTC's homescreen GUI overlay. It's extremely functional and logical, listing clock, calendar, missed calls and alerts, messaging, mail, etc, etc. I've found it to be so functional, in fact, that I hardly ever dive into the (admittedly rather unsightly) underlying WinMo menus. For most information you might need at-a-glance from your mobile, the homescreen certainly delivers.
Just my take. Hope it helps you, or if not, some other forum-lurker or prospective buyer.
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[email protected] said:
To do Cut/Paste, switch/Kill taks, use Smart Tool Kit, it's free:
http://smarttoolkit.wordpress.com/download/...QUOTE]
I must say, also for me is it a nuisance (and incomprehensible) that you can't select text in Word Mobile to copy/cut/paste it.
Actually it makes Word Mobile a useless app.
So I tried Smarttoolkit, but I have a few major problems when running Smarttoolkit (S740 often slows down / freezes, programs folder is empty) and I can't find the edit function.
So, while it seems to have some nice tools, is seems an unfinished product and the option I installed it for doesn't seem to work (or maybe I'm a bit stupid).
Anyone have another solution to select text in Word Mobile ?
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Try Vito CopyPaste.
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Hi ninethreetwo,
Thanks for the input. I definitely prefer to carry the phone in my pocket. I've had some larger phones in the past that were too big for pockets (Blue Angel, Harrier, Palm 700wx) and I just couldn't find a convenient place to put the belt case. I was always catching in on things or crushing it when I got in to the car. One of the reasons for buying a Vox was the compact and "pocket friendly" form factor.
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Change? I only wish there was some kind of quick-launch panel on the main menu that would let me scroll through and fire up any application I want. Also, kinda ties into the previous point, but a more efficient task-switcher would be welcome. I've noticed the home button doesn't do much else aside from…well…take you home. It would be nice if they mapped a long press of that button to some kind of juiced up task manager.
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I can relate. My one complaint about many of the smartphone interfaces is that it oftentimes takes too many clicks to get what I want. On the Wings I modificed the HTC interface slightly to include the recent apps gui (like in the default interface) which helped tremendously.
Thanks again for your feedback! I appreciate the time that you and the other contributers to this thread have taken to provide such considered and detailed responses.
Thanks,
Canuk
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I must say, also for me is it a nuisance (and incomprehensible) that you can't select text in Word Mobile to copy/cut/paste it.
Actually it makes Word Mobile a useless app.
So I tried Smarttoolkit, but I have a few major problems when running Smarttoolkit (S740 often slows down / freezes, programs folder is empty) and I can't find the edit function.
So, while it seems to have some nice tools, is seems an unfinished product and the option I installed it for doesn't seem to work (or maybe I'm a bit stupid).
Anyone have another solution to select text in Word Mobile ?
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You can select text in Word Mobile. As Master Yoda would say: "use the [shift] key, Luke". Simply open file, select EDIT, place cursor where you want to start your selection, hold down [shift] and scroll down with D-Pad.
Next, for SmartToolkit work you must install RC8 version. Also in Control Panel>General set "On Homescreen" to be "SmartToolkit Taskbar", and in Control Panel > Hotkeys set [Clipboard] to be your D-Pad button. This way you will be able to use your standard options on Homescreen made by HTC and in the same time use SmartToolkit. And in Control Panel > Gadgets you can create easy-accessed shortcuts and Pop-up Launcher lists with your programs, it's very useful.
It looks like this:
ninethreetwo said:
Change? I only wish there was some kind of quick-launch panel on the main menu that would let me scroll through and fire up any application I want. Also, kinda ties into the previous point, but a more efficient task-switcher would be welcome. I've noticed the home button doesn't do much else aside from…well…take you home. It would be nice if they mapped a long press of that button to some kind of juiced up task manager.
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You can use CHome Configurator (grab the CAB from the Excalibur board) to add shorcuts to favorite applications at the home panels (See attached screenshot). It's very easy, here are the steps:
1. Open CHome Configurator
2. Show 'CLinks' and hilight it and press action to customize
3. Then Go to 'Menu/Page/New'
4. Then in the new page, click 'Menu\Template\Application Launcher'
5. Select the application that you want, set the name & icon
6. Repeat the procedure for as many shortcut as you like
7. Once finished, save at exit.
Other alternative is to use quick launcher application like xBar, RightMenu, SmartToolKit or just use a different theme which use rjshorcut plugins. The best place to get S740 themes is here:
http://www.nectun.com/galerie.php?langue=en&id_type_skin=-1&id_type_tel=15
Use this free Theme Changer to compliment the themes that you download:
http://www.ifihadadollarforeverytimesomeonesaidthatiwouldhavemyownwebsite.com/ThemeChanger/
To remapped the home key, you can use software like AEButtonPlus or Hotbutton Plus
Cheers!
Thenext1 and Urgon, thank you for your replies.
I downloaded Vito CopyPaste version 1.3 and installed it.
It does work (e.g. in Mail), however for some reason doesn't in Word Mobile.
Very disappointing
The selection method of shift+D-pad works, so at last I can edit text afterwards.
However copy/cut/paste with ctrl+C/X/V doesn't work in Word Mobile.
This (regular) option however works in other apps (e.g. Mail, SMS, Contacts).
I also installed SmartToolkit RC08 and changed the settings as suggested.
It certainly works now very well and isn't intrusive for the Home screen with HTC sliding panels. It also (for now) doesn't slow down or freeze (like I experienced with RC09).
But, while I can get copy/cut/paste working in other applications, also this doesn't work in Word Mobile.
Is somehow in Word Mobile the possibility of using copy/cut/paste blocked ?
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It shall work, certainly works for me. You have to hold down the D-pad button for 0,5 seconds to access clipboard menu. It may be also required to restart your phone in order to make it work.
Below you can see my clipboard menu in Word Mobile.
BTW, the whole Office package is useless, because you can't create new documents.
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It shall work, certainly works for me. You have to hold down the D-pad button for 0,5 seconds to access clipboard menu. It may be also required to restart your phone in order to make it work.
Below you can see my clipboard menu in Word Mobile.
BTW, the whole Office package is useless, because you can't create new documents.
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I agree, especially Word mobile is completely useless, even for opening documents created on a PC.
Excel sort-of works when opening documents.
Powerpoint instead is near-perfect.
Well, I tried copy/paste again with SmartToolkit in Word Mobile and now it worked. Must have done something wrong before.
That Word Mobile is a very crippled text editor is certainly true.
But sometimes you really need a text-editor and beggars can't be choosers.
On my reliable iPAQ hx4700 I use Textmaker, almost as powerfull as the Windows version, which is one of the best alternatives for MS Word. The same is true for Planmaker (PPC an Windows versions) as alternative for Excel.
The problem of not being able to create a new document or worksheet in WinMo 6 Standard can be solved easily bij copying an empty .doc and an empty.xls file from your PC to your Smartphone. Use these files and save them as another file afer editing (so you keep the empty files unchanged)
A more elegant solution is the free donew (I believe I saw this tip in one of the threads in this Rose forum, so credits where they are due): it creates 2 extra links in "Office Mobile" to an empty Word and empty Excel file.
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Do you find it more responsive than its predecessors? (Wings, Vox)
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I only had a few moments with Vox, but I would say that difference is quite noticable. Especially RAM is an overkill on Rose.
Canuk said:
Does it fit comfortably in your pocket or would you recommend getting a belt-case?
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I always carry it in my pocket without a problem. It isn't the thinniest phone in the world, though.
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How is the battery life given moderate use? (~1 hour talking each day, bluetooth always on, Directpush mail enabled during working hours)
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I would say 1.5 day on average. Mine lasts between 1 to 3 days depending on usage.
Canuk said:
If you could change one thing about your Rose, what would it be?
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Hard to say really, it doesn't miss much. I would like it a little bit thinner.