does the cingular rom for the 8525 include Push To Talk?? If so, is it in the extended rom as a cab file?
No PTT in the initial release. I'm (just) now hearing that Cingular's PTT feature will be 3G based. It will be included in a subsequent 8525 update. No doubt, this will be tied in part to general 3G availability on Cingular's network.
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No PTT in the initial release. I'm (just) now hearing that Cingular's PTT feature will be 3G based. It will be included in a subsequent 8525 update. No doubt, this will be tied in part to general 3G availability on Cingular's network.
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Thanks for the reply... i will just have to keep an eye out for it... i really wanna try to get this ported out to the 8125
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Thanks for the reply... i will just have to keep an eye out for it... i really wanna try to get this ported out to the 8525
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By all early estimates you WON'T be able to use PTT on 8125, as it will be leveraging the Cingular 3G network...
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By all early estimates you WON'T be able to use PTT on 8125, as it will be leveraging the Cingular 3G network...
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there should be a way to fix that somehow.. just need to play with it... all of the "regular" phones that have PTT are not using the umts network.. i believe its all on edge.. anything could be possible.. im sure that if i cant figure it out that someone is bound to be able to figure out.. there is a smart bunch on here
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By all early estimates you WON'T be able to use PTT on 8125, as it will be leveraging the Cingular 3G network...
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That's one of the dumbest damned things I have ever heard.
Cingular's PTT only uses data to get the "buddy list" the rest travels as voice.
The phone knows no difference wap.cingular is wap.cingular regardless of the data, and with as small as the footprint is for 3G you would only be able to use it in about 10% of Cingular's coverage area which doesn't seem too good for a hyped feature.
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That's one of the dumbest damned things I have ever heard.
Cingular's PTT only uses data to get the "buddy list" the rest travels as voice.
The phone knows no difference wap.cingular is wap.cingular regardless of the data, and with as small as the footprint is for 3G you would only be able to use it in about 10% of Cingular's coverage area which doesn't seem too good for a hyped feature.
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Interesting observation ... but then in a 3G network .. the voice is also over WCDMA and hence much better quality .. and reduce the load on the GSM network ..
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Interesting observation ... but then in a 3G network .. the voice is also over WCDMA and hence much better quality .. and reduce the load on the GSM network ..
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regardless of that... the regular "dumb" phones with the PTT feature do not utilize a 3G network... i guess the only way to really settle this is to get it and play with it on my 8125... im willing to try and i know a few others are as well... doesnt hurt to try, either we can make it work or we cant... no use in quivling over something that hasnt been released yet..... why dont we all agree to just wait and see what happens?!?
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That's one of the dumbest damned things I have ever heard.
Cingular's PTT only uses data to get the "buddy list" the rest travels as voice.
The phone knows no difference wap.cingular is wap.cingular regardless of the data, and with as small as the footprint is for 3G you would only be able to use it in about 10% of Cingular's coverage area which doesn't seem too good for a hyped feature.
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What makes you even think that PTT will be supported on WAP.CINGULAR? Cingular will be selling the 8525 as a premium device highlighting their 3G capabilities. There is also a strong likelihood that this phone (when sold) will be offered with PDAConnect (generally using ISP.CINGULAR) and not with a Media Net plan...
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What makes you even think that PTT will be supported on WAP.CINGULAR? Cingular will be selling the 8525 as a premium device highlighting their 3G capabilities. There is also a strong likelihood that this phone (when sold) will be offered with PDAConnect (generally using ISP.CINGULAR) and not with a Media Net plan...
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i have the old school unlimited media net plan for $20 a month.. and i can use both connection, wap.cingular and isp.cingular on my 8125, and so can everyone else i know with no extra data charges... if you ask me people with pda connect are getting ripped off since its so much more expensive
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What makes you even think that PTT will be supported on WAP.CINGULAR? Cingular will be selling the 8525 as a premium device highlighting their 3G capabilities. There is also a strong likelihood that this phone (when sold) will be offered with PDAConnect (generally using ISP.CINGULAR) and not with a Media Net plan...
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Cingular is not going to change their entire PTT setup over this phone. All the phones that use PTT use wap.cingular to get it. It may be accessable through isp.cingular as well, never really cared engough to provision someone only with isp.cingular for anything to find out.
Also on a 3G network, the voice is not transmitted over UMTS through Cingular. That will be implemented late next year. Until then UMTS is used for data only. Cingular doesn't want to flood the system with VOIP as well as excessive data use.
Drive from a 3G market to a non 3G area while on the same call. When you lose 3G you will not drop the call. With UMTS you cannot handoff from 3G to GSM on a call.
This is why PTT isn't operational yet: not enough 3G coverage. It's going to be a 3G only feature I'm afraid.
why do you all figure its going to be based on 3G? Cingular currently does not even offer any phone that is 3G and PTT capable (granted there is only 2 listed on the cingular premier site)... they arent even all EDGE.. all the ones i have seen are all EDGE except the SE Z525a .... the PTT only uses the internet to grab the buddy list, the rest is done over the gsm voice transmission same as a 3g network
actually, its not. 3G voice is WCDMA. That's why simulaneous voice/data can occur on a 3G network. Here's a great post from RF9 on HoFo explaining the differences between WCDMA and GSM.
EDGE/GRPS is an overlay of GSM (a TDMA technology.)
HSDPA/UMTS is on W-CDMA (a CDMA technology.)
W-CDMA and GSM are completely different networks and technologies.
W-CDMA is more like Sprint & Verizon's CDMA (or more like an improved version) but obviously not the same thing (and not compatible.)
W-CDMA is intended to replace GSM eventually and is being built out as a new totally separate network. So 3G phones basically have two radio devices in them, a W-CDMA and a GSM. So when W-CDMA is not in range, you fall back to GSM.
Separate radio networks that they are, they are glued together on the back end making hand offs from W-CDMA to GSM seamless.
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3G phones such as the TyTN have two completely different networking technologies in them you see. Each network handles both voice and data.
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actually, its not. 3G voice is WCDMA. That's why simulaneous voice/data can occur on a 3G network. Here's a great post from RF9 on HoFo explaining the differences between WCDMA and GSM.
3G phones such as the TyTN have two completely different networking technologies in them you see. Each network handles both voice and data.
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[email protected] it, i forgot about that... And that is the only feasible answer on why it might not be possible.. except i doubt cingular is only going to make it work in a 3G area since its coverage is so small... but i guess we will have to wait and see what happens.....
PTT and 3G
I admit I really don't know how PTT works. But I would think that they'd be able to get it to work with both GSM and W-CDMA on the same phone. W-CDMA an GSM are separate air interfaces, but at some point it all glues in to the same network, which is why a call can hand off from W-CDMA to GSM.
But I'm sure it's not trivial, and PTT is a totally different animal since it's really VOIP if I understand correctly.
Here's an interesting post from Howard Forums from kribo20
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?p=7974811#post7974811
This is the line of interest: "• All of the capabilities of a phone with Push-to-Talk (service will require a software upgrade in 2007), camera (Cingular 8525) or no camera (Cingular 8500) and many accessories"
So it appears that, according to Cingular University, the plan is to release it with PTT broken and make you upgrade it.
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With UMTS you cannot handoff from 3G to GSM on a call.
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While I have no confirmation either way, I'm told otherwise. I'm told you can "soft hand-off" from UMTS to GSM, but not GSM to UMTS. Once you hadn off to GSM, you can only return to UMTS once your call is complete (the next call can be back on UMTS)
But I'm just telling you what the Cingular people told me.
(Just for reference for other readers HSDPA/UMTS=W-CDMA if I'm using too many terms.)
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This is why PTT isn't operational yet: not enough 3G coverage. It's going to be a 3G only feature I'm afraid.
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You really got beat with the stupid stick didn't you? PTT has been available for almost a year and it yet to be available on any 3G phones.
Please do some research (i.e. go to Cingular.com) before typing any further responses.
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While I have no confirmation either way, I'm told otherwise. I'm told you can "soft hand-off" from UMTS to GSM, but not GSM to UMTS. Once you hadn off to GSM, you can only return to UMTS once your call is complete (the next call can be back on UMTS)
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I've been employed with the company over 3 years, I am one of the few that have a clue as to what is going on within the company. You cannot handoff from one tech to another, just like with GSM-TDMA. Currently however 3G is for data only and voice still falls back on GSM and honestly I don't think it will ever really change because Cingular does not plan on extending it's 3G footprint much outside of metropolitan areas. By mid-2007 you will see where 3G is and where it isn't and it won't change much from that.
@decepticon: your etiquette is indeed fascinating. Your Mom obviously didn't teach you the basics. Or, perhaps she will cover this more with you as you get older.
Speaking of the word "cover", I'll cover your opinion in 2007 when the 3G PTT service is released by Cingular, the company you perport to work for. I'm finished with this thread FTTB. You might want to google WCDMA-GSM handoffs as its received a lot of coverage since it was first accomplished back in 2001. In fact, this technology is fundamental to WCDMA rollouts throughout the world for obvious reasons.
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@decepticon: your etiquette is indeed fascinating. Your Mom obviously didn't teach you the basics. Or, perhaps she will cover this more with you as you get older.
Speaking of the word "cover", I'll cover your opinion in 2007 when the 3G PTT service is released by Cingular, the company you perport to work for. I'm finished with this thread FTTB. You might want to google WCDMA-GSM handoffs as its received a lot of coverage since it was first accomplished back in 2001. In fact, this technology is fundamental to WCDMA rollouts throughout the world for obvious reasons.
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You're right, I just lie and say I work for the company and they lie and deposit a check into my account every 2 weeks. Either way, there is no UMTS to GSM handoffs because there is no UMTS VOICE NETWORK YET as well as no such plans to change PTT to a 3G only feature as 3G will never have the footprint that GSM has.
I love how some people can just make things up and pass it off as fact. I would show the Powerpoint, PDF's, and other material I have that covers this but I would rather not break an NDA just to prove some douche online is wrong.
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Well I finally broke down replaced the HTC rom that came on my TyTN last night with the cingular rom (1.31) and today something funny happened - I had a U when I left my house! Formerly I only had 3G when I went into the city. So I'm wondering if there's something magically new in the Cingular rom that allowed me access to differn't then the HTC or whether with the release of the 8525 tomorrow if Cingular is lighting up new towers so when people go and buy it they can all have the joy of 3G
Only problem is that aroumd my house - I have lousy 3G coverage (1 bar) but would have full coverage with GSM. Within my house fortunately the 3G signal is nonexistant so it goes over to GSM. If I remember correctly that 3G is actually CDMA and I think they use the same towers is Sprint does in the area because as I drive around - the signal strength mirrors nearly perfectly my expierence with Sprint (which is why I left them - terrible coverage in my area) It's too bad that the phone doesn't have a toggle that if you don't have at least 2 bars of 3g but there's full GSM to default over to the GSM (I know I can disable 3g altogether if it turns out to be a problem).
Well at least I can now confirm that (with the right rom?) Cingular has 3G coverage in Stamford, Darien (poor) and Norwalk CT (I haven't driven anywhere else today)
It's probably not your device/ROM. More likely you're seeing the continued buildout of Cingular's 3G network...
Yeah I just saw somebody on Howard Forums post that they just got service in CT today too. I figured that was the case but it just seemed like an extreame coincidence. - Not that there's anything wrong with that
3G is not CDMA .. it's WCDMA which is totally different than CDMA ..
I realize that CDMA and WCDMA are differnt tech, but would it lkely use the same towers as CDMA? I know that the towers (at least in my area) are not generally owned by the carrier but rather rented out to them. If they use the same towers - it would explain why their coverage mimics Sprints signal so much in this area (rather then Cingular's GSM coverage).
not know for sure but I dont think it's possible to share towers between different technologies .. one technology issues .. two why share something with competitors ..
well if it's running in the same frequencies I BELIEVE it should be able to transmit and recieve both (kinda like your laptop can do 802.11B and 802.11G) but I could be wrong on that - also, at least the towers in my area, the majority of them are independently owned and rented to the companies so from that stand point, I think it's obvious why - the more people renting their towers - the more money! Course this is mostly speculation on my part (cept the fact that I know that 6 of the 9 towers in my area are independently owned).
the actual tower is either owned by a carrier and space is leased to other carriers, or owned by a 3rd party and leased to carriers. the radio equipment located on the tower belongs to the carrier, and is not shared with other carriers. i realize there may be roaming agreements, but they are not sharing tower equipment, you are just using another carrier's tower. your provider pays the carrier you used for handling your call while roaming.
one tower might host a cingular GSM radio system, a t-mobile GSM system, a verizon CDMA system, a WCDMA (UMTS/HSDPA) system, a 800mHz iDEN system, and maybe a few local repeaters for local government.
towers are shared between competitors primarily because they are actually owned by a third party. carrier owned towers still have exceptions though, often because zoning laws limit available tower space. the carriers work together in this sense, because otherwise each might be locked out of another's coverage area due to local limits and restrictions on tower construction.
sometimes you have to work with the competition to get the job done!
Nice to have people smarter then me around
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I realize that CDMA and WCDMA are differnt tech, but would it lkely use the same towers as CDMA? I know that the towers (at least in my area) are not generally owned by the carrier but rather rented out to them. If they use the same towers - it would explain why their coverage mimics Sprints signal so much in this area (rather then Cingular's GSM coverage).
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Yeah you pretty much hit it on the nose. Not many operators own their own tower, and towers aren't cheap to build. So if they're doing a rollout the most logical thing for them to do would be to put their equip on the same towers that probably everone else does (Sprint, et al). That does NOT however mean they are actually using Sprint's equipment.
-Q
EDIT: Never mind...
jamiefiedler already answered this in more detail. Sorry for not reading more
Its all over the web, apparently its been launched in vegas today. My advantage should be 3g capable right? I read on engadget that supposebly tmobile phones that are 3g compatible shoudl automatically find the network and start using it...well im still on edge here. I went into advanced network, and i have enable hsdpa only, if i try to activate both hsdpa and hsupa and reset the phone, it reverts back to hsdpa only. Anyone know if its correct that I should just be able to start using 3g, without adding anything to my tmobile account? I kinda figured I would have to call and pay a little more for the faster speeds. Maybe there are some settings that I need to change in order to access it....im running the Irus 0MBPP Rom, spl 1.2, radio 1.58
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Its all over the web, apparently its been launched in vegas today. My advantage should be 3g capable right? I read on engadget that supposebly tmobile phones that are 3g compatible shoudl automatically find the network and start using it...well im still on edge here. I went into advanced network, and i have enable hsdpa only, if i try to activate both hsdpa and hsupa and reset the phone, it reverts back to hsdpa only. Anyone know if its correct that I should just be able to start using 3g, without adding anything to my tmobile account? I kinda figured I would have to call and pay a little more for the faster speeds. Maybe there are some settings that I need to change in order to access it....im running the Irus 0MBPP Rom, spl 1.2, radio 1.58
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did you try going to phone>menu>options>band>the top drop down menu "Select your network type" and select WCDMA
I don't think its compatible
T-Mobile 3G runs on AWS 1700, a band not currently supported by the Athena radio. This is presumably a hardware limitation and a distinct disadvantage of T-Mobile USA's late entry to the 3G market. Expect a Kaiser implementation from AWS 1700 according to the FCC, but I would not hold my breath for an advantage with AWS 1700.
you are correct
booooo, thats not what i wanted to hear...i was lookin forward to 3g for awhile....anyways thanks for the quick response guys
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booooo, thats not what i wanted to hear...i was lookin forward to 3g for awhile....anyways thanks for the quick response guys
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I'm switching to AT&T!!!! All that wait to hear this, what a waste...
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I'm switching to AT&T!!!! All that wait to hear this, what a waste...
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yes, that really sucks.
You guys should definitely switch to at&t. I don't get 3g locally,but when i go to bigger cities, it automatically switches. I have no complaints with AT&T's mobile services.
grr, this is really pretty upsetting for me. I just added a new line for my girlfriend onto my tmobile account so I think it renewed my 2 year contract. I used to have AT&T, but i got screwed with text message billing issues that they wouldnt resolve(this is all before at&t adopted unlimited txting) So i switched to tmobile just to have an unlimited txt option. Low and behold about 1 month or two after i switched...at&t announced their unlimited txting addon I'd gladly switch back to at&t, but I think id have issues with the contract.
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grr, this is really pretty upsetting for me. I just added a new line for my girlfriend onto my tmobile account so I think it renewed my 2 year contract. I used to have AT&T, but i got screwed with text message billing issues that they wouldnt resolve(this is all before at&t adopted unlimited txting) So i switched to tmobile just to have an unlimited txt option. Low and behold about 1 month or two after i switched...at&t announced their unlimited txting addon I'd gladly switch back to at&t, but I think id have issues with the contract.
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You might be able to break out of your contract early if you call and say you want out because they're raising the SMS rate to $.20. That's what I did a month ago and I didn't have to pay a termination fee. I'm not sure if it's too late to use that excuse, but it'd be worth a try. I also switched to AT&T because T-Mobile 3G won't work with any phones they don't sell.
--FCOD
touchlasvegas said:
grr, this is really pretty upsetting for me. I just added a new line for my girlfriend onto my tmobile account so I think it renewed my 2 year contract. I used to have AT&T, but i got screwed with text message billing issues that they wouldnt resolve(this is all before at&t adopted unlimited txting) So i switched to tmobile just to have an unlimited txt option. Low and behold about 1 month or two after i switched...at&t announced their unlimited txting addon I'd gladly switch back to at&t, but I think id have issues with the contract.
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I'm trying to come up with a good storyline to break my 2 year contract. I might just tell them to suspend the account for now..... My question is why on earth would they go with AWS 3g if their is hardly any phones that support it. Also I read something where it says it's voice only 3g service, how true is this? All I can say is, it was fun waiting but If this is what it is then I need to go elsewhere. T-mo's going to lose a bunch of customers when they understand what's going on.
Your network access in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
I just got the phone and I cannot find the right radio to use in order to get 3g speeds:
. What is the best radio to use in order to get 3g and HSUPA speeds over 300 kbps/sec? I use to have this speed when I got my AT&T 8525 that is ancient now. How do I get the speed I use to have off the 8525 on this phone?
Thank you for your responses in advance.
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I just got the phone and I cannot find the right radio to use in order to get 3g speeds:
. What is the best radio to use in order to get 3g and HSUPA speeds over 300 kbps/sec? I use to have this speed when I got my AT&T 8525 that is ancient now. How do I get the speed I use to have off the 8525 on this phone?
Thank you for your responses in advance.
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I have the same radio and get between 1Mbps and 2.5Mbps when I tether...
theonemarcus said:
I just got the phone and I cannot find the right radio to use in order to get 3g speeds:
. What is the best radio to use in order to get 3g and HSUPA speeds over 300 kbps/sec? I use to have this speed when I got my AT&T 8525 that is ancient now. How do I get the speed I use to have off the 8525 on this phone?
Thank you for your responses in advance.
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Do you mean HSDPA?
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Is your posted speed from the downlink test?
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I have the same radio and get between 1Mbps and 2.5Mbps when I tether...
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well as u see i am new at this. i read a lot from these forums since i love the htc product. but i don't know how to tether or anything like that. i just installed the radio i just displayed hoping to be able to get 3g speed. but it stays at edge at all times.
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and the site u used to determine my speed i just found off google is a downlink site. and still my speed is slower than edge speeds.
Keep in mind the tower that is servicing your phone can have crap for bandwidth too.
I was near Gretna, VA on a trip and had full bars on 3g. I swear they had a dial-up modem on the other end of the tower though. Google maps were loading up slower than a typical edge connection.
In the end, it may not be your radio that's giving you trouble.
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Keep in mind the tower that is servicing your phone can have crap for bandwidth too.
I was near Gretna, VA on a trip and had full bars on 3g. I swear they had a dial-up modem on the other end of the tower though. Google maps were loading up slower than a typical edge connection.
In the end, it may not be your radio that's giving you trouble.
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I tried it through out Atlanta today. Different towers and several areas of metro Atlanta. West Atlanta, North Atlanta, and East Atlanta.
Keep in mind my phone is the htc touch pro. I do not have the brand names from t-mobile or AT&T.
Should I try a different rom or is that a useless effort?
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I tried it through out Atlanta today. Different towers and several areas of metro Atlanta. West Atlanta, North Atlanta, and East Atlanta.
Keep in mind my phone is the htc touch pro. I do not have the brand names from t-mobile or AT&T.
Should I try a different rom or is that a useless effort?
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perhaps 3G is disabled in your phone settings or the manila settings...
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perhaps 3G is disabled in your phone settings or the manila settings...
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You may have a hardware limitation. I noticed on the various Rhodiums that were around and for sale, the unlocked Touch Pro 2's stated they were not ATT 3G compatible, although they were 3G compatible. Apparently there are different implementations of 3G.
You may want to look into whether that is something in the firmware associated with the radio (Radio ROM) or the hardware itself.
Sounds like sprint
If you have the SPRINT service or a SPRINT phone, you do not have the "3G" icon enabled. This is because SPRINT uses the EDGE network and not the 3G network. They say that their network now (REV A) is actually what they consider 3.5G and is supposed to be faster than regular 3G . I have no issues with my phone with the speed, however, if you want the 3G to display, find a custom task bar and that icon will change to the 3G. Once again, SPRINT does not display "3G"
Hope this helps.
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the setting show that 3g is enable.
mwcostello said:
You may have a hardware limitation. I noticed on the various Rhodiums that were around and for sale, the unlocked Touch Pro 2's stated they were not ATT 3G compatible, although they were 3G compatible. Apparently there are different implementations of 3G.
You may want to look into whether that is something in the firmware associated with the radio (Radio ROM) or the hardware itself.
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i looked into the hdw side of things ... it looked like it is compatible according to the specs. i did notice there r some firmware update on htc that was released this yr. i'll have to look into that.
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If you have the SPRINT service or a SPRINT phone, you do not have the "3G" icon enabled. This is because SPRINT uses the EDGE network and not the 3G network. They say that their network now (REV A) is actually what they consider 3.5G and is supposed to be faster than regular 3G . I have no issues with my phone with the speed, however, if you want the 3G to display, find a custom task bar and that icon will change to the 3G. Once again, SPRINT does not display "3G"
Hope this helps.
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i thought of that too. that this rom my not have the 3g icon, but from time to time it will show "G" and then back to "E". and as far as i know ... i shough have close to 300kbs or more for downspeed. and i right?
thanks everyone for all of ur input. i'll look into all of it and get back to u. thx again.
If you have a standard Touch Pro (not Fuze or T-Mobile version), there's a very good chance you accidently picked up European version of it. European version will have European 3G, which is not compatible with US 3G frequency bands. Look into your documentation and see if you phone supports the following:
AT&T uses 850/1900
TMobile uses 1700/2100
European frequency bands are 1800/2100 if I remember correctly.
I have the Fuze and radio 1.14.25.35, and I get 396kB/s with only 2 bars...
Oh, and I'm in Connecticut.
lame!
something has got to be wrong man....i live hours away from 3G and if i even look at my phone wrong i lose reception!
BUT i got 281-392 Kbps!
Have you called your provider?
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Keep in mind the tower that is servicing your phone can have crap for bandwidth too.
I was near Gretna, VA on a trip and had full bars on 3g. I swear they had a dial-up modem on the other end of the tower though. Google maps were loading up slower than a typical edge connection.
In the end, it may not be your radio that's giving you trouble.
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If you have a standard Touch Pro (not Fuze or T-Mobile version), there's a very good chance you accidently picked up European version of it. European version will have European 3G, which is not compatible with US 3G frequency bands. Look into your documentation and see if you phone supports the following:
AT&T uses 850/1900
TMobile uses 1700/2100
European frequency bands are 1800/2100 if I remember correctly.
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That could be true, but the documentation i have states:
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
the 850 and 1900 Mhz should not matter if its in europe or in usa, right???
but there is a new updates. i Used IE on the phone and my speed is incredible. i was able to test 3mb and it came back with speeds higher than fast 3g. just like my old phone. but under opera it would not go any faster than 40 kbs. i used another browser called skyfire. and i went to mobilespeedtest and got: . i went to cnet brandwidth test and got 3632.3 kbps. lol. amazing it looks like opera was my problem. hear are all of my results:
opera: (after testing using the other browsers now i get these results)
mobilespeedtest.com
cnet bandwidth test
.6745 mbps
IE:
mobilespeedtest
.408 mbps
Skyfire:
mobilespeedtest.com
cnet bandwidth test
3.2588 mbps
is it me ... or does your phone get warm when u use the net for a long time???
I doubt that the results are valid with a browser like Skyfire. It does all the rendering on the skyfire server instead of on your phone. It's probably reporting the rates in between the test site and the Skyfire server. Skyfire is fast, though; it's much faster at bringing up a full webpage than any other browser. You can open up espn.com in about 5 seconds.
I've always had good luck with my radio [see signature]
So I was thinking about the tbolt, and realized something that I believe is interesting:
It's pretty common knowledge that Verizon CDMA does not currently support simultaneous voice/data, a huge grievance for many a verizon iPhone owner. The Thunderbolt is touted to be the first device that can handle this function and will do so by handling voice over the CDMA network and data over the LTE network. Makes sense, sounds good and all right? BUT....I was thinking about coverage of LTE and how it's pretty scarce for now and was wondering what would happen if you were not in an LTE area and using the Tbolt? Wouldn't the absence of the LTE network effectively stifle your ability to use data while on the phone?
Does anyone have any info on this or remember reading anything about it? It seems to me that it is entirely possible that the Tbolt will have the same limitations over simultaneous voice/data as the iPhone and other smartphones as long as the user is in a non-4G/LTE area. I am lucky enough to live in a 4G/LTE area so this wouldn't be a huge factor I guess but some people were really looking forward to having that capability.
Unlike all the rumors, the phones has two radios.
1 - 1x voice/data radio
2 - EVDO / LTE radio
The phone will do simultaneous voice and data in both 4G and 3G areas. Only issues is that two radios means increased battery drain
need bb said:
Unlike all the rumors, the phones has two radios.
1 - 1x voice/data radio
2 - EVDO / LTE radio
The phone will do simultaneous voice and data in both 4G and 3G areas. Only issues is that two radios means increased battery drain
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very cool, i was not aware of that. thanks! that does suck about the battery though.....
did you have a source for the dual radio information?
need bb said:
Unlike all the rumors, the phones has two radios.
1 - 1x voice/data radio
2 - EVDO / LTE radio
The phone will do simultaneous voice and data in both 4G and 3G areas. Only issues is that two radios means increased battery drain
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Your post makes no sense bud. The phone has the following specs:
CDMA 1X/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz
CDMA LTE - 700MHz
Rev A Capable
The phone has one of 2 possibilities:
1. In an area with no 4G coverage, the phone will simply not work as advertised. It will act just like any other 3G smartphone.
2. The more likely option, and I say likely mostly because they like to avoid class actions: Verizon partly delayed the phone in order to upgrade the towers and networks with the ability to process 3G data and calls simultaneously.
mexiken said:
The phone has one of 2 possibilities:
1. In an area with no 4G coverage, the phone will simply not work as advertised. It will act just like any other 3G smartphone.
2. The more likely option, and I say likely mostly because they like to avoid class actions: Verizon partly delayed the phone in order to upgrade the towers and networks with the ability to process 3G data and calls simultaneously.
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if that second option were true, wouldn't that mean that every phone currently running on 3G (iphones and droids alike) would all gain the ability to run simultaneous data and voice? that sounds very nice indeed.
i don't have any sources but i believe i remember reading that the nature of CDMA and how it connects prohibits simultaneous voice/data as opposed to however GSM operates. sorry for such broad information but i'm not exactly a wireless carrier expert. if what you said is true though and they found some way to upgrade it, that would be awesome for all those on verizon 3G.
my skeptical side though is saying that verizon is no saint and would just respond that simultaneous voice/data is a feature specifically for 4G service and if you aren't in a 4G area tough break and wait for 4G/LTE to roll out near you.
Actually VZW recently did a software upgrade for their infrastructure to allow simultaneous voice and data over EVDO Rev A and the Thunderbolt is their first handset with the radio capable of supporting it. From what I've read it's a hardware thing so they can't update firmware in other phones like the iPhone to support it. I can't link to any articles from the XDA App but read any of the major Android blogs as they've been reporting about it for the past couple days or do a Google search for SVDO.
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OK, hopped on a computer so here you go:
http://thecellphonejunkie.com/2011/...olt-will-have-simultaneous-3g-voice-and-data/
http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2861/64/
BAAMM! lol
That is the rumor Verizon is not using 1X advanced, so the only way that simultaneous voice and data works if you have two radios which are capable of transmitting at the same time. This is why only select 4G phones support SVDO.
As I said earlier, SVDO will work in both 4G and 3G areas because of the dual radios on-board.
need bb said:
That is the rumor Verizon is not using 1X advanced, so the only way that simultaneous voice and data works if you have two radios which are capable of transmitting at the same time. This is why only select 4G phones support SVDO.
As I said earlier, SVDO will work in both 4G and 3G areas because of the dual radios on-board.
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The Thunderbolt have SVDO support, because it's using a SVDO capable chipset. Dual radios doesn't have anything to do with it, but only with CDMA/ 4G LTE handoffs, which is similar to Sprint's 4G phones. SVDO works on a 1X and 1X Advanced capable device, so didn't need to switch to 1X Advanced in order for it to work, though they have been some 1X advanced codecs for a while. Verizon wanted this including in their iPhone 4 phones so bad, but it just wasn't ready.
PorscheGuy said:
OK, hopped on a computer so here you go:
http://thecellphonejunkie.com/2011/...olt-will-have-simultaneous-3g-voice-and-data/
http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2861/64/
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Good info, thanks.
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No problem! I'm just sharing what I've been reading but it's entirely possible that "need bb" knows something that I don't...
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Ok, so I was interested in checking out the LTE speeds and wanted to test out the ability to do SVDO. I went to my local Verizon store and realized that My area doesn't have 4G yet. Duh! lol. And when inspecting the phone itself I could not find a way to turn on or any mention of LTE in any way anywhere on the phone! Hmmmm. So then I tried to test SVDO. I called one t-bolt with the other display t-bolt and then tried to surf. Newp. no can do. The call went thru so Its all setup but maybe it had no sim card?? I didn't check. Maybe my area doesn't have SVDO yet either? Can anyone now confirm simultaneous voice and data??? Now that people have got the phone in their hands now.
I am not in a 4G area and I can confirm the phone does voice and data simultaneously, very well, I might add
dkoss said:
I am not in a 4G area and I can confirm the phone does voice and data simultaneously, very well, I might add
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Hmmmm, I wonder what I was doing wrong??
MauiKeitai said:
Hmmmm, I wonder what I was doing wrong??
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You know my verizon rep said a funny thing today when I asked him about the voice/data at the same time on 3G...he actually said "we don't guarantee that will work yet and that the network is still being worked on in some places to enable this feature for certain devices like the Thunderbolt" I had already tried it on the demo TB so I wasn't worried but maybe that's why it's not working for you.
I can also confirm that in a non 4g area it does both voice and data at the same time... nice feature I didn't expect.
Hmm, yeah I guess as usual my area is slow at upgrading the network. Man, if Verizon would pay my etf on Sprint I would be all over that thing.
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mexiken said:
Your post makes no sense bud. The phone has the following specs:
CDMA 1X/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz
CDMA LTE - 700MHz
Rev A Capable
The phone has one of 2 possibilities:
1. In an area with no 4G coverage, the phone will simply not work as advertised. It will act just like any other 3G smartphone.
2. The more likely option, and I say likely mostly because they like to avoid class actions: Verizon partly delayed the phone in order to upgrade the towers and networks with the ability to process 3G data and calls simultaneously.
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I work for verizon and you are right they have changed on the network side making simultanious voice and data through both 4G and 3G and it was done on the network not on the phone itself. Now I don't know if this was the reason for the month and a half delay or not but makes sense. From what I heard from my friend in the testing department it had to do with battery.
I don't know about you guys but I really love the fact that all the naysayers that simultaneous voice and data is impossible can finally shut up. LOL
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This may be a total noob question, but that's because I am indeed a noob when it comes to this. A bit of history about my Optimus One: I got it on the internets and I believe it is for Portugal's Vodafone, as suggested by the default APN. This thing runs the original Android 2.2 and I did not bother to root it.
Recently I got the T-mobile's six months of free data promo (I'm in Boulder, CO) and all I get is a whopping 120 kbps downstream. All settings seem to be according to T-mobile's "official" info. Tech support told me that everything is peachy on their end, but my phone is "not supported" and I need to get a "supported" one from T-mobile.
Is this the case, or is it merely a matter of installing a ROM/app that unlocks the proper band for data? I am not really afraid to play with this phone, because in the very worst case I could actually get one from T-mobile. Also, because I have no contract, I could move to another provider, so there's some freedom. Thoughts?
nedomacho said:
Recently I got the T-mobile's six months of free data promo (I'm in Boulder, CO) and all I get is a whopping 120 kbps downstream. All settings seem to be according to T-mobile's "official" info. Tech support told me that everything is peachy on their end, but my phone is "not supported" and I need to get a "supported" one from T-mobile.
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You have 3G data enabled? 3G available in your area? The tech support "advise" is complete crap.
lolphirae said:
You have 3G data enabled? 3G available in your area? The tech support "advise" is complete crap.
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3G enabled on the phone? I don't see anything beyond "enable data" and when it's enabled, there's an "E" next to the sign at the top of the screen.
Yeah, 3G does cover this area and the t-mobile rep claims the setup on their end is right.
nedomacho said:
3G enabled on the phone? I don't see anything beyond "enable data" and when it's enabled, there's an "E" next to the sign at the top of the screen.
Yeah, 3G does cover this area and the t-mobile rep claims the setup on their end is right.
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Well, E is EDGE (which is just a bit faster GPRS), no wonder it is slow. You need H (as in HSDPA). If there's no way to enable 3G on Froyo (strongly suspect you just need to look harder), then upgrade the ROM!
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If there's no way to enable 3G on Froyo (strongly suspect you just need to look harder), then upgrade the ROM!
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Well, I see nothing about 3G under mobile network settings... network mode 'GSM/WCDMA auto', tried with and without data roaming enabled, APN set up as the t-mobile website suggests... Am I looking in the wrong place?
Also, could this be related? Which I guess could effectively mean the tech support was right...
nedomacho said:
Well, I see nothing about 3G under mobile network settings... network mode 'GSM/WCDMA auto', tried with and without data roaming enabled, APN set up as the t-mobile website suggests... Am I looking in the wrong place?
Also, could this be related? Which I guess could effectively mean the tech support was right...
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1/ HSDPA definitely worked for me with Froyo. (No, I will not flash such junk again to verify, being on ICS now)
2/ There has been a GB update available for over a year. Why do not you upgrade?
3/ Normal european P500 specs are
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
UMTS/HSPA: 900/2100 MHz
Sorry, no idea what T-Mobile uses somewhere in CO. US T-Mobile has been selling this very same phone branded as LG Optimus T.
nedomacho said:
This may be a total noob question, but that's because I am indeed a noob when it comes to this. A bit of history about my Optimus One: I got it on the internets and I believe it is for Portugal's Vodafone, as suggested by the default APN. This thing runs the original Android 2.2 and I did not bother to root it.
Recently I got the T-mobile's six months of free data promo (I'm in Boulder, CO) and all I get is a whopping 120 kbps downstream. All settings seem to be according to T-mobile's "official" info. Tech support told me that everything is peachy on their end, but my phone is "not supported" and I need to get a "supported" one from T-mobile.
Is this the case, or is it merely a matter of installing a ROM/app that unlocks the proper band for data? I am not really afraid to play with this phone, because in the very worst case I could actually get one from T-mobile. Also, because I have no contract, I could move to another provider, so there's some freedom. Thoughts?
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You dont need to flash any ROM if only thing you want is high speed internet..
First call the customer care and ask whether its a 3G pack that you got or normal
GPRS/EDGE. If its EDGE then its the maximum speed you going to get..
if its a 3G pack.. go to settings and select ONLY WCDMA and ask them to send you
3G settings too. Well i Activated 3G and got APN settings automatically.
Do ask customer care if your area has 3G coverage!!
T-Mobile does not support the European 3G bands in your area. In certain metropolitan areas you will get a 2100MHZ signal on T-Mobile, but most of the time you will be getting incompatible frequencies hence the need to use EDGE (2G aka the E which is much slower than 3G).
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Thanks guys.
I think several responses are due to the fact that I did not make my location clear: I am in the US and the phone was originally for a European provider. I did confirm with the customer service that I am supposed to have a 3G/4G connection.
luiejongen said:
T-Mobile does not support the European 3G bands in your area. In certain metropolitan areas you will get a 2100MHZ signal on T-Mobile, but most of the time you will be getting incompatible frequencies hence the need to use EDGE (2G aka the E which is much slower than 3G).
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I'll have a chance to test it in Chicago next week.
I suppose the frequency incompatibility is at the hardware level and changing the ROM wouldn't help. Can you confirm this? I am ready to flash cyanogenmod (or whatever you guys can suggest), but if this is a hardware issue, there's no point, is there?
nedomacho said:
Thanks guys.
I think several responses are due to the fact that I did not make my location clear: I am in the US and the phone was originally for a European provider. I did confirm with the customer service that I am supposed to have a 3G/4G connection.
I'll have a chance to test it in Chicago next week.
I suppose the frequency incompatibility is at the hardware level and changing the ROM wouldn't help. Can you confirm this? I am ready to flash cyanogenmod (or whatever you guys can suggest), but if this is a hardware issue, there's no point, is there?
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Yes, you can't just change frequencies by just flashing another ROM. It is hardware related