Well I finally broke down replaced the HTC rom that came on my TyTN last night with the cingular rom (1.31) and today something funny happened - I had a U when I left my house! Formerly I only had 3G when I went into the city. So I'm wondering if there's something magically new in the Cingular rom that allowed me access to differn't then the HTC or whether with the release of the 8525 tomorrow if Cingular is lighting up new towers so when people go and buy it they can all have the joy of 3G
Only problem is that aroumd my house - I have lousy 3G coverage (1 bar) but would have full coverage with GSM. Within my house fortunately the 3G signal is nonexistant so it goes over to GSM. If I remember correctly that 3G is actually CDMA and I think they use the same towers is Sprint does in the area because as I drive around - the signal strength mirrors nearly perfectly my expierence with Sprint (which is why I left them - terrible coverage in my area) It's too bad that the phone doesn't have a toggle that if you don't have at least 2 bars of 3g but there's full GSM to default over to the GSM (I know I can disable 3g altogether if it turns out to be a problem).
Well at least I can now confirm that (with the right rom?) Cingular has 3G coverage in Stamford, Darien (poor) and Norwalk CT (I haven't driven anywhere else today)
It's probably not your device/ROM. More likely you're seeing the continued buildout of Cingular's 3G network...
Yeah I just saw somebody on Howard Forums post that they just got service in CT today too. I figured that was the case but it just seemed like an extreame coincidence. - Not that there's anything wrong with that
3G is not CDMA .. it's WCDMA which is totally different than CDMA ..
I realize that CDMA and WCDMA are differnt tech, but would it lkely use the same towers as CDMA? I know that the towers (at least in my area) are not generally owned by the carrier but rather rented out to them. If they use the same towers - it would explain why their coverage mimics Sprints signal so much in this area (rather then Cingular's GSM coverage).
not know for sure but I dont think it's possible to share towers between different technologies .. one technology issues .. two why share something with competitors ..
well if it's running in the same frequencies I BELIEVE it should be able to transmit and recieve both (kinda like your laptop can do 802.11B and 802.11G) but I could be wrong on that - also, at least the towers in my area, the majority of them are independently owned and rented to the companies so from that stand point, I think it's obvious why - the more people renting their towers - the more money! Course this is mostly speculation on my part (cept the fact that I know that 6 of the 9 towers in my area are independently owned).
the actual tower is either owned by a carrier and space is leased to other carriers, or owned by a 3rd party and leased to carriers. the radio equipment located on the tower belongs to the carrier, and is not shared with other carriers. i realize there may be roaming agreements, but they are not sharing tower equipment, you are just using another carrier's tower. your provider pays the carrier you used for handling your call while roaming.
one tower might host a cingular GSM radio system, a t-mobile GSM system, a verizon CDMA system, a WCDMA (UMTS/HSDPA) system, a 800mHz iDEN system, and maybe a few local repeaters for local government.
towers are shared between competitors primarily because they are actually owned by a third party. carrier owned towers still have exceptions though, often because zoning laws limit available tower space. the carriers work together in this sense, because otherwise each might be locked out of another's coverage area due to local limits and restrictions on tower construction.
sometimes you have to work with the competition to get the job done!
Nice to have people smarter then me around
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I realize that CDMA and WCDMA are differnt tech, but would it lkely use the same towers as CDMA? I know that the towers (at least in my area) are not generally owned by the carrier but rather rented out to them. If they use the same towers - it would explain why their coverage mimics Sprints signal so much in this area (rather then Cingular's GSM coverage).
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Yeah you pretty much hit it on the nose. Not many operators own their own tower, and towers aren't cheap to build. So if they're doing a rollout the most logical thing for them to do would be to put their equip on the same towers that probably everone else does (Sprint, et al). That does NOT however mean they are actually using Sprint's equipment.
-Q
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jamiefiedler already answered this in more detail. Sorry for not reading more
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does the cingular rom for the 8525 include Push To Talk?? If so, is it in the extended rom as a cab file?
No PTT in the initial release. I'm (just) now hearing that Cingular's PTT feature will be 3G based. It will be included in a subsequent 8525 update. No doubt, this will be tied in part to general 3G availability on Cingular's network.
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No PTT in the initial release. I'm (just) now hearing that Cingular's PTT feature will be 3G based. It will be included in a subsequent 8525 update. No doubt, this will be tied in part to general 3G availability on Cingular's network.
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Thanks for the reply... i will just have to keep an eye out for it... i really wanna try to get this ported out to the 8125
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Thanks for the reply... i will just have to keep an eye out for it... i really wanna try to get this ported out to the 8525
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By all early estimates you WON'T be able to use PTT on 8125, as it will be leveraging the Cingular 3G network...
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By all early estimates you WON'T be able to use PTT on 8125, as it will be leveraging the Cingular 3G network...
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there should be a way to fix that somehow.. just need to play with it... all of the "regular" phones that have PTT are not using the umts network.. i believe its all on edge.. anything could be possible.. im sure that if i cant figure it out that someone is bound to be able to figure out.. there is a smart bunch on here
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By all early estimates you WON'T be able to use PTT on 8125, as it will be leveraging the Cingular 3G network...
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That's one of the dumbest damned things I have ever heard.
Cingular's PTT only uses data to get the "buddy list" the rest travels as voice.
The phone knows no difference wap.cingular is wap.cingular regardless of the data, and with as small as the footprint is for 3G you would only be able to use it in about 10% of Cingular's coverage area which doesn't seem too good for a hyped feature.
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That's one of the dumbest damned things I have ever heard.
Cingular's PTT only uses data to get the "buddy list" the rest travels as voice.
The phone knows no difference wap.cingular is wap.cingular regardless of the data, and with as small as the footprint is for 3G you would only be able to use it in about 10% of Cingular's coverage area which doesn't seem too good for a hyped feature.
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Interesting observation ... but then in a 3G network .. the voice is also over WCDMA and hence much better quality .. and reduce the load on the GSM network ..
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Interesting observation ... but then in a 3G network .. the voice is also over WCDMA and hence much better quality .. and reduce the load on the GSM network ..
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regardless of that... the regular "dumb" phones with the PTT feature do not utilize a 3G network... i guess the only way to really settle this is to get it and play with it on my 8125... im willing to try and i know a few others are as well... doesnt hurt to try, either we can make it work or we cant... no use in quivling over something that hasnt been released yet..... why dont we all agree to just wait and see what happens?!?
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That's one of the dumbest damned things I have ever heard.
Cingular's PTT only uses data to get the "buddy list" the rest travels as voice.
The phone knows no difference wap.cingular is wap.cingular regardless of the data, and with as small as the footprint is for 3G you would only be able to use it in about 10% of Cingular's coverage area which doesn't seem too good for a hyped feature.
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What makes you even think that PTT will be supported on WAP.CINGULAR? Cingular will be selling the 8525 as a premium device highlighting their 3G capabilities. There is also a strong likelihood that this phone (when sold) will be offered with PDAConnect (generally using ISP.CINGULAR) and not with a Media Net plan...
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What makes you even think that PTT will be supported on WAP.CINGULAR? Cingular will be selling the 8525 as a premium device highlighting their 3G capabilities. There is also a strong likelihood that this phone (when sold) will be offered with PDAConnect (generally using ISP.CINGULAR) and not with a Media Net plan...
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i have the old school unlimited media net plan for $20 a month.. and i can use both connection, wap.cingular and isp.cingular on my 8125, and so can everyone else i know with no extra data charges... if you ask me people with pda connect are getting ripped off since its so much more expensive
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What makes you even think that PTT will be supported on WAP.CINGULAR? Cingular will be selling the 8525 as a premium device highlighting their 3G capabilities. There is also a strong likelihood that this phone (when sold) will be offered with PDAConnect (generally using ISP.CINGULAR) and not with a Media Net plan...
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Cingular is not going to change their entire PTT setup over this phone. All the phones that use PTT use wap.cingular to get it. It may be accessable through isp.cingular as well, never really cared engough to provision someone only with isp.cingular for anything to find out.
Also on a 3G network, the voice is not transmitted over UMTS through Cingular. That will be implemented late next year. Until then UMTS is used for data only. Cingular doesn't want to flood the system with VOIP as well as excessive data use.
Drive from a 3G market to a non 3G area while on the same call. When you lose 3G you will not drop the call. With UMTS you cannot handoff from 3G to GSM on a call.
This is why PTT isn't operational yet: not enough 3G coverage. It's going to be a 3G only feature I'm afraid.
why do you all figure its going to be based on 3G? Cingular currently does not even offer any phone that is 3G and PTT capable (granted there is only 2 listed on the cingular premier site)... they arent even all EDGE.. all the ones i have seen are all EDGE except the SE Z525a .... the PTT only uses the internet to grab the buddy list, the rest is done over the gsm voice transmission same as a 3g network
actually, its not. 3G voice is WCDMA. That's why simulaneous voice/data can occur on a 3G network. Here's a great post from RF9 on HoFo explaining the differences between WCDMA and GSM.
EDGE/GRPS is an overlay of GSM (a TDMA technology.)
HSDPA/UMTS is on W-CDMA (a CDMA technology.)
W-CDMA and GSM are completely different networks and technologies.
W-CDMA is more like Sprint & Verizon's CDMA (or more like an improved version) but obviously not the same thing (and not compatible.)
W-CDMA is intended to replace GSM eventually and is being built out as a new totally separate network. So 3G phones basically have two radio devices in them, a W-CDMA and a GSM. So when W-CDMA is not in range, you fall back to GSM.
Separate radio networks that they are, they are glued together on the back end making hand offs from W-CDMA to GSM seamless.
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3G phones such as the TyTN have two completely different networking technologies in them you see. Each network handles both voice and data.
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actually, its not. 3G voice is WCDMA. That's why simulaneous voice/data can occur on a 3G network. Here's a great post from RF9 on HoFo explaining the differences between WCDMA and GSM.
3G phones such as the TyTN have two completely different networking technologies in them you see. Each network handles both voice and data.
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[email protected] it, i forgot about that... And that is the only feasible answer on why it might not be possible.. except i doubt cingular is only going to make it work in a 3G area since its coverage is so small... but i guess we will have to wait and see what happens.....
PTT and 3G
I admit I really don't know how PTT works. But I would think that they'd be able to get it to work with both GSM and W-CDMA on the same phone. W-CDMA an GSM are separate air interfaces, but at some point it all glues in to the same network, which is why a call can hand off from W-CDMA to GSM.
But I'm sure it's not trivial, and PTT is a totally different animal since it's really VOIP if I understand correctly.
Here's an interesting post from Howard Forums from kribo20
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?p=7974811#post7974811
This is the line of interest: "• All of the capabilities of a phone with Push-to-Talk (service will require a software upgrade in 2007), camera (Cingular 8525) or no camera (Cingular 8500) and many accessories"
So it appears that, according to Cingular University, the plan is to release it with PTT broken and make you upgrade it.
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With UMTS you cannot handoff from 3G to GSM on a call.
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While I have no confirmation either way, I'm told otherwise. I'm told you can "soft hand-off" from UMTS to GSM, but not GSM to UMTS. Once you hadn off to GSM, you can only return to UMTS once your call is complete (the next call can be back on UMTS)
But I'm just telling you what the Cingular people told me.
(Just for reference for other readers HSDPA/UMTS=W-CDMA if I'm using too many terms.)
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This is why PTT isn't operational yet: not enough 3G coverage. It's going to be a 3G only feature I'm afraid.
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You really got beat with the stupid stick didn't you? PTT has been available for almost a year and it yet to be available on any 3G phones.
Please do some research (i.e. go to Cingular.com) before typing any further responses.
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While I have no confirmation either way, I'm told otherwise. I'm told you can "soft hand-off" from UMTS to GSM, but not GSM to UMTS. Once you hadn off to GSM, you can only return to UMTS once your call is complete (the next call can be back on UMTS)
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I've been employed with the company over 3 years, I am one of the few that have a clue as to what is going on within the company. You cannot handoff from one tech to another, just like with GSM-TDMA. Currently however 3G is for data only and voice still falls back on GSM and honestly I don't think it will ever really change because Cingular does not plan on extending it's 3G footprint much outside of metropolitan areas. By mid-2007 you will see where 3G is and where it isn't and it won't change much from that.
@decepticon: your etiquette is indeed fascinating. Your Mom obviously didn't teach you the basics. Or, perhaps she will cover this more with you as you get older.
Speaking of the word "cover", I'll cover your opinion in 2007 when the 3G PTT service is released by Cingular, the company you perport to work for. I'm finished with this thread FTTB. You might want to google WCDMA-GSM handoffs as its received a lot of coverage since it was first accomplished back in 2001. In fact, this technology is fundamental to WCDMA rollouts throughout the world for obvious reasons.
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@decepticon: your etiquette is indeed fascinating. Your Mom obviously didn't teach you the basics. Or, perhaps she will cover this more with you as you get older.
Speaking of the word "cover", I'll cover your opinion in 2007 when the 3G PTT service is released by Cingular, the company you perport to work for. I'm finished with this thread FTTB. You might want to google WCDMA-GSM handoffs as its received a lot of coverage since it was first accomplished back in 2001. In fact, this technology is fundamental to WCDMA rollouts throughout the world for obvious reasons.
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You're right, I just lie and say I work for the company and they lie and deposit a check into my account every 2 weeks. Either way, there is no UMTS to GSM handoffs because there is no UMTS VOICE NETWORK YET as well as no such plans to change PTT to a 3G only feature as 3G will never have the footprint that GSM has.
I love how some people can just make things up and pass it off as fact. I would show the Powerpoint, PDF's, and other material I have that covers this but I would rather not break an NDA just to prove some douche online is wrong.
yeah, me too. In SLC, we've always had really good GSM and HSPA service from at&t, never matching the horror stories from the likes of chicago, sanfran, and NYC. However, they decided to pull a market-driven cluster-**** and only delivery a bare-minimum of market penetration so instead of a regular 4-5bars, I see usuall just 2. But that's not all. My phone has a supreme hard-on for the LTE and will choose the LTE tower 5 miles away over the one right next to me which results in some hysterisis and rapid HSPA/LTE changes. This may or may not be responsible for periodic loss of my data connection which I don't find about until hours after i missed that important email or text (google voice). awesome.
I put up with this for a couple weeks 'cause i'm used to the S&M relationship US mobile customers have with their wireless providers (post-paid, anyway) and finally called to ***** a little. turns out that while at&t would rather we all suffer at the hands of their inept decision making by removing any kind of switch from our devices, they will make manual adjustment for those who cry loud enough. If you really want LTE gone, you can ask for an 'inset lock to 2g/3g' which will prevent your device from seeking out LTE towers to connect to. I made mention of APN's and at least one rep indicated that this made that change, but I couldn't be sure this is an actual edit to the APN on your device.
LTE is nice for the 2% of the time I can actually use it, but the other 98% it sucks donkey ballz... at least the way at&t has done it in SLC.
hope this helps someone.
The roll out in Arkansas of all places has been awesome. I get 4 bars like, sometimes 5 everywhere within 15 miles of my house. I average - 85 dbm 52 asu signal. It's awesome. I'm sorry your lte in Utah blows.
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I love ATT in CT. LTE just became official in my city but its been working great for almost a year before it launched officially.
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The roll out in Arkansas of all places has been awesome. I get 4 bars like, sometimes 5 everywhere within 15 miles of my house. I average - 85 dbm 52 asu signal. It's awesome. I'm sorry your lte in Utah blows.
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undoubtedly there are some people close enough to LTE towers that they aren't having quite the abysmal experience I am, and other people's positive experiences in other cities could indicate that at&t will eventually get it right here. I can only hope.
LTE here in Hawaii is awesome. Then again Hawaii is so small that a few towers can probably cover most parts of the island. Hopefully att can cover your area better.
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i've been very impressed with AT&T's LTE network. it's a lot better than sprint's 4G/WiMAX network.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33826576
LTE is working fine here in Central NJ. The issue with your battery isn't AT&T's rollout of LTE, it's LTE itself. The simple fact is, it's not as power efficient as HSPA (yet) and phone manufacturers haven't upped the battery specs to compensate.
Now, what AT&T IS at fault for is not giving their LTE customers an LTE/HSPA toggle.
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The roll out in Arkansas of all places has been awesome. I get 4 bars like, sometimes 5 everywhere within 15 miles of my house. I average - 85 dbm 52 asu signal. It's awesome. I'm sorry your lte in Utah blows.
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Yep. I was quite surprised with LTE coverage. It's virtually everywhere in central Arkansas, even between cities in areas that you wouldn't expect LTE.
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LTE is working fine here in Central NJ. The issue with your battery isn't AT&T's rollout of LTE, it's LTE itself. The simple fact is, it's not as power efficient as HSPA (yet) and phone manufacturers haven't upped the battery specs to compensate.
Now, what AT&T IS at fault for is not giving their LTE customers an LTE/HSPA toggle.
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I wish that were the case in SLC. the problem is that LTE is not available everywhere in the coverage area, and when it is, it is frequently at much lower signal strength so it's quite apparent that at&t did not roll out LTE to all of their HSPA towers in the area. With phones preferring LTE, they are connecting to towers that are frequently farther away than the closest HSPA tower and thus requiring more power. For example, both my home and work give me 4-5bars of HSPA, but only 2bars of LTE. Some parts of the city give no LTE at all. Its currently an incomplete roll out.
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yeah, me too. In SLC, we've always had really good GSM and HSPA service from at&t, never matching the horror stories from the likes of chicago, sanfran, and NYC. However, they decided to pull a market-driven cluster-**** and only delivery a bare-minimum of market penetration so instead of a regular 4-5bars, I see usuall just 2. But that's not all. My phone has a supreme hard-on for the LTE and will choose the LTE tower 5 miles away over the one right next to me which results in some hysterisis and rapid HSPA/LTE changes. This may or may not be responsible for periodic loss of my data connection which I don't find about until hours after i missed that important email or text (google voice). awesome.
I put up with this for a couple weeks 'cause i'm used to the S&M relationship US mobile customers have with their wireless providers (post-paid, anyway) and finally called to ***** a little. turns out that while at&t would rather we all suffer at the hands of their inept decision making by removing any kind of switch from our devices, they will make manual adjustment for those who cry loud enough. If you really want LTE gone, you can ask for an 'inset lock to 2g/3g' which will prevent your device from seeking out LTE towers to connect to. I made mention of APN's and at least one rep indicated that this made that change, but I couldn't be sure this is an actual edit to the APN on your device.
LTE is nice for the 2% of the time I can actually use it, but the other 98% it sucks donkey ballz... at least the way at&t has done it in SLC.
hope this helps someone.
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you could move closer to the cell tower
would you like some cheese with your wine,lol
Looking to leave Verizon for a GSM carrier (ATT or T-Mobile) because I like the freedom to jump to many different phones. With ATT I would have to bring my wife with me since keeping up with a Verizon plan and ATT plan would be too expensive. With T-Mobile I can keep her on Verizon and the cost would be about the same. But I am not sure about T-Mobile. I hear about dead spots and not having service. What I want to know is it really zero service in the dead spots? Not even voice? I want to make sure if I am traveling that I can reach someone if the car breaks down or whatever. While I am a big data user, I don't mind it to much if I can't get data everywhere. Ironicall while voice is important, I hardly use minutes, but with Verizon I like that I have at least voice coverage almost everywhere.
Just do a coverage check.
Signal/etc. is all relevant to location.
For example, I get service and 4G everywhere in my area except my house which is EDGE, but I have full bars of voice, but since I have wifi, no big deal.
I Am Marino said:
Just do a coverage check.
Signal/etc. is all relevant to location.
For example, I get service and 4G everywhere in my area except my house which is EDGE, but I have full bars of voice, but since I have wifi, no big deal.
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Thanks, I keep hearing about dead spots and not having service. If that is just about data, that is fine with me. Even on Verizon I have places where I don't have data, but being completely cut off without even voice is what would worry me.
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Thanks, I keep hearing about dead spots and not having service. If that is just about data, that is fine with me. Even on Verizon I have places where I don't have data, but being completely cut off without even voice is what would worry me.
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In general those reports are about 4G. I took a long trip to the southwest last year, and we had 2G data on all the freeways. But the voice worked.
ATT will have more coverage in more areas, but in general along major freeways and in the major cities T-Mobile has good presence. As noted before, check out the coverage charts at t-mobile.com.
in my office building, in which I have a window office, I get it a strong voice signal and LTE signal with Verizon, a decent voice signal and HSPA signal with AT&T, but anywhere more than one foot from the window I get your zero voice and zero data with T Mobile.
This is in a suburban area just north of Los Angeles called Santa Clarita. In the San Fernando Valley, there are fewer dead spots, but inside any large building like a mall or a Costco, it's a dead zone.
I would never recommend t-mobile as a sole carrier for any individual, I only put up with it because I have accounts on all three major networks. I just switch phones when I need to.
If you're going to be a one service person, I would go with AT&T. Their service is much stronger and covers more than t-mobile. The only advantage T Mobile have is that the HSPA plus dual channel is faster then LTE on the other networks, and when you can get a signal with T Mobile it's a pretty good one.
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in my office building, in which I have a window office, I get it a strong voice signal and LTE signal with Verizon, a decent voice signal and HSPA signal with AT&T, but anywhere more than one foot from the window I get your zero voice and zero data with T Mobile.
This is in a suburban area just north of Los Angeles called Santa Clarita. In the San Fernando Valley, there are fewer dead spots, but inside any large building like a mall or a Costco, it's a dead zone.
I would never recommend t-mobile as a sole carrier for any individual, I only put up with it because I have accounts on all three major networks. I just switch phones when I need to.
If you're going to be a one service person, I would go with AT&T. Their service is much stronger and covers more than t-mobile. The only advantage T Mobile have is that the HSPA plus dual channel is faster then LTE on the other networks, and when you can get a signal with T Mobile it's a pretty good one.
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Were you checking these characteristics on your Note II, or some other phone?
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Were you checking these characteristics on your Note II, or some other phone?
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Note 2, HTC One, both unlocked T-Mobile phones (as of this morning) which are sitting here on my desk in front of me. The Note 2 with an ATT sim has voice and good data. The HTC One has my TMo sim in it and is reporting no service. I have to tether it to my VZW S3 to use it unless I stand against the window.
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I have issues getting good signal with my m8 on at&t, anyone else ? Actually I"am on straight talk which uses at&t service.
Not sure if the bad signal is just my area or if its my phone.
I can get LTE when I"am out and about, and it shows good signal, but my data speeds are not really that great for LTE being maybe 8 to 15 mbps yeah its good but should be more according to most users.
I live in Ohio and have absolutely no signal indoors and if I go out to the road I can pick up some weak edge signal which is like scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as data.
I have heard from people at a local at&t store that at&t took over the last of the alltel towers and something about July, but no one seems to be able to tell me anything about my area, and at&t maps show I"am supposed to have good service here so I dont know if its their service or my phone.
And being on straight talk its not like they will be able to help me with signal issues as you might as well be talking to yourself than call their customer service, as they cant even help you with how to set up call forwarding as they say its not listed as a feature with straight talk, pretty sad yes lol.
Does anyone work for at&t that can tell me if I will be getting alltel towers working in my area ?
In Ohio from zip 44830 Fostoria starting a few miles north going out of town on state route 199 basically all the way to state route 6 there is basically no service on my m8 as all I show is edge this is like a 10 to 15 mile stretch of nothing. Now if you turn west on state route 6 then you get a little better then a few miles you get LTE coverage.
Hoping someone from at&t can clue me in on this area because my m8 just sucks for service and I"am supposed to have good coverage here according to the at&t coverage maps.
Here in northern Delaware. Get LTE everywhere..they activated the tower near my house and I even get LTE there as well..solid 20mbps down
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Roefastford said:
I have issues getting good signal with my m8 on at&t, anyone else ? Actually I"am on straight talk which uses at&t service.
Not sure if the bad signal is just my area or if its my phone.
I can get LTE when I"am out and about, and it shows good signal, but my data speeds are not really that great for LTE being maybe 8 to 15 mbps yeah its good but should be more according to most users.
I live in Ohio and have absolutely no signal indoors and if I go out to the road I can pick up some weak edge signal which is like scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as data.
I have heard from people at a local at&t store that at&t took over the last of the alltel towers and something about July, but no one seems to be able to tell me anything about my area, and at&t maps show I"am supposed to have good service here so I dont know if its their service or my phone.
And being on straight talk its not like they will be able to help me with signal issues as you might as well be talking to yourself than call their customer service, as they cant even help you with how to set up call forwarding as they say its not listed as a feature with straight talk, pretty sad yes lol.
Does anyone work for at&t that can tell me if I will be getting alltel towers working in my area ?
In Ohio from zip 44830 Fostoria starting a few miles north going out of town on state route 199 basically all the way to state route 6 there is basically no service on my m8 as all I show is edge this is like a 10 to 15 mile stretch of nothing. Now if you turn west on state route 6 then you get a little better then a few miles you get LTE coverage.
Hoping someone from at&t can clue me in on this area because my m8 just sucks for service and I"am supposed to have good coverage here according to the at&t coverage maps.
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Have you used more than 2.5Gb of data? Probably not, since they throttle you to 2G/Edge once you do & you'd sure notice that slow down much more. It may very well be a QOS prioritization for AT&T post paid accounts. If it is a big AT&T area, you may be getting second tier LTE, as opposed to high priority service.
What is the exact APN you are using? att mvno or the proxy mvno?
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Have you used more than 2.5Gb of data? Probably not, since they throttle you to 2G/Edge once you do & you'd sure notice that slow down much more. It may very well be a QOS prioritization for AT&T post paid accounts. If it is a big AT&T area, you may be getting second tier LTE, as opposed to high priority service.
What is the exact APN you are using? att mvno or the proxy mvno?
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Oh no I have used maybe 100 mb's this month at the most and I have never even used a gb ever, as I use wifi from home most of the time.
Yes they could be giving me a slower LTE speed, possibly so that could be the reason on LTE.
But the no service here would not be because of that, must either be their weak towers or lack of towers here or my m8 ?
Oh forgot you asked which apn I was using. I have tried the one for straight talk and one for at&t mvno see the screen shots that I added a few posts after this one.
Mine works great on at&t. Lte everywhere here in Atlanta. 20-70mbs downstream. Comparing with old phones, Signal is about the same as my gs4, a little bit better than my m7, and it is WAY better than my nexus 5. Wifi on this phone is the best I have ever seen. Works out in my yard while mowing the grass.
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Oh no I have used maybe 100 mb's this month at the most and I have never even used a gb ever, as I use wifi from home most of the time.
Yes they could be giving me a slower LTE speed, possibly so that could be the reason on LTE.
But the no service here would not be because of that, must either be their weak towers or lack of towers here or my m8 ?
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Oh forgot you asked which apn I was using. I have tried the one for straight talk and one for at&t mvno see the attached screen shots.
i only get around 5 mbps on data, in mi. my calls are great and i even tried flashing every radio, on m7 gpe i got 17 mbps. wtf?
Mine does great on signal, in fact it's as good, if not better than any phone I've had on AT&T. I'm in a very rural area too, Mendocino County in Northwestern California. Speaking of Delaware up there, our county is bigger than the entire state of DE by 1300 Square Miles
Our area's coverage map http://www.att.com/maps/wireless-coverage.html#fbid=LanXkOldn1H Just put in zip 95470, my zip in Redwood Valley.
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I have issues getting good signal with my m8 on at&t, anyone else ? Actually I"am on straight talk which uses at&t service.
Not sure if the bad signal is just my area or if its my phone.
I can get LTE when I"am out and about, and it shows good signal, but my data speeds are not really that great for LTE being maybe 8 to 15 mbps yeah its good but should be more according to most users.
I live in Ohio and have absolutely no signal indoors and if I go out to the road I can pick up some weak edge signal which is like scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as data.
I have heard from people at a local at&t store that at&t took over the last of the alltel towers and something about July, but no one seems to be able to tell me anything about my area, and at&t maps show I"am supposed to have good service here so I dont know if its their service or my phone.
And being on straight talk its not like they will be able to help me with signal issues as you might as well be talking to yourself than call their customer service, as they cant even help you with how to set up call forwarding as they say its not listed as a feature with straight talk, pretty sad yes lol.
Does anyone work for at&t that can tell me if I will be getting alltel towers working in my area ?
In Ohio from zip 44830 Fostoria starting a few miles north going out of town on state route 199 basically all the way to state route 6 there is basically no service on my m8 as all I show is edge this is like a 10 to 15 mile stretch of nothing. Now if you turn west on state route 6 then you get a little better then a few miles you get LTE coverage.
Hoping someone from at&t can clue me in on this area because my m8 just sucks for service and I"am supposed to have good coverage here according to the at&t coverage maps.
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I live in an area where I don't get very good signal as it is, and I've noticed that when I'm in an area that's already bad it seems to be a little worse then my Note 3 was, I am constantly having to re-start my phone because texts are failing, but if I'm in an area that has moderate to good coverage, its as good, if not better, then any phone I've had.
Slightly better than my old ONE X but still solid in Salt Lake Area.
I'm on AT&T in Los Angeles. I have the WWE edition on 4.4.3 (ARHD, 2.22.401.4 firmware}. My LTE speed is terrible. I'm averaging 5MB down. If I put my SIM into my Nexus 4, it gets 15 MB easy on 4G. I've tried switching radios, and switching to the US/Dev firmware (2.22.1540.3). I can't get more than 5MB no matter what. I wondering if it's because AT&T hasn't released the 4.4.3 update yet. Does that seem reasonable?
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I believe this phone is capable of using LTE in the US. It has all the right frequencies so I would believe the hardware should be there. I've tried several different APN settings and called customer service to confirm my IMEI with AT&T customer service but I cannot get LTE speeds. Anyone else in the u.s. experiencing the same problems?
barely works in Europe, from the product page i bought it from on Aliexpress they said the 4g wouldn't work in the States .
here majority of the time it drops to 3g and when it does the internet doesn't work at all.
lost count how many times I've had to search again for my network just to refresh the signal.
the antenna in this phone was poorly placed. putting sim in slot 1/2 doesn't matter.
I've gone back to my nexus 5 with zero problems on 4g.
thats really disheartening. I knew there would be a catch to this phone somewhere. And it would appear that the phone does not support 4G LTE bands in the US. .
3.5G umtcs however it does, which is close to 4G speeds. But I do not know how many towers in the US run those frequencies, I will post my findings if I can get HSPA+ or above on a regular basis.
I have noticed my signal fluctuate a lot, Sad that the most basic feature is the most troublesome, this phone comes so close. I wonder if this is something development can resolve or if its just a poor radio.
It will but with network B bands. I think in July.
Check their blog
Really? A coming update in July? I will look on their blog
I live in the UK, but just holidayed in the US this summer...My 9000 wouldn't work for calls, although I read they're bringing out a US version soon. Used it for satnav in 3 states though with no problems.