Although all the information can be found on the forum and in the HTC Hermes Wiki there are always many posts with questions about upgrading and unlocking. I hope this will make it a bit clearer for you:
Bootloader
The bootloader is the place where you can change the low-level software parameters and some hardware parameters of the Hermes, change and read the ROM and provides information about it.
The bootloader is invoked by pressing down both the POWER button and SIDE OK together and using the stylus at the same time to press the RESET button at the bottom.
The bootloader version is shown for a short amount of time when booting the device. You'll see "SPL-1.0X"
Versions
1.04
There is a bug in bootloader 1.04 wich allows you to flash any ROM without a CID check. You have to be in bootloader mode to use this bug.
It's possible to upgrade the RadioROM. You can even flash a patched RadioROM wich is needed to unlock your device.
1.06
The bug from version 1.04 is fixed. Without downgrading to a Shipped ROM with bootloader 1.04 that matches your CID it's not possible to flash a ROM with a different CID.
The RadioROM can't be upgraded. You have to downgrade to bootloader 1.04 to unlock your device.
1.09
You can't downgrade to bootloader 1.04 by flashing a Shipped ROM. However imei-check.co.uk is able to downgrade the bootloader.
There was a solution posted on this forum, but it was stolen from imei-check and was removed. If you are not willing to pay you have to wait until another solution is developed.
The RadioROM can't be upgraded. You have to downgrade to bootloader 1.04 to unlock your device.
CID
The CID your device has varies from operater to operater. It should garantee that only upgrades from a single operater can be installed (to ensure the device is branded etc.)
You can make your device SuperCID wich is some kind of "root-mode". Then you will be able to flash every ROM without thinking about bootloader versions and CIDs.
To find out wich CID your device has use the command "info 2" in bootloader. Read Hermes_BootLoader to know how to use the bootloader.
Preparations
Before you upgrade your ROM (wich will also upgrade your bootloader) you should make your device SuperCID.
Especially if you either upgrade to bootloader 1.06 and there's no Shipped ROM Upgrade with bootloader 1.04 available that matches your CID or upgrade to bootloader 1.09
Unlock / Make your device SuperCID
Use pof's SIM Unlock v2a. This will flash a patched RadioROM that is needed for the unlocking process. Unlock v2a makes your device SuperCID and removes the SIM-Lock.
You need bootloader version 1.04!
The process of flashing the RadioROM and use the unlocker is explained here
There is one restriction: At the moment it's not possible to unlock X01HT devices wich where bought after 12/1/2006 and have bootloader version 1.09 and RadioROM version 1.14.0.10! Please be patient.
Radio version can be checked from Start->Settings->System->Device Information:Radio Version.
Downgrade Bootloader
If you have bootloader version 1.06 and there is a Shipped ROM Upgrade with bootloader version 1.04 available that matches your CID you can flash it to downgrade your bootloader.
Otherwise - you are on bootloader 1.09 or there is no Shipped ROM Upgrade available - you have to use imei-check.co.uk or wait until another (free) solution is developed.
For the method imei-check uses to downgrade the bootloader a working operating system is required.
Upgrade the ROM
If you flash a ROM the first time you should read Upgrade For Beginners and the Upgrade FAQ if you have further questions.
Available Upgrades are listed here
Upgrade RadioROM
There are also Extracted RadioROMs available. You need bootloader 1.04 to flash these!
good summary sn00x. you should post this on the wiki as well.
tthank u very much for the information. it is a bit clearer for me now
Excellent summary for the beginner! Vielen Dank!
Please also read Quentin-'s Hermes Upgrading Guide for a detailed description of the upgrade process and information about ExtendedROM cooking.
it should be posted in the wiki
cristal clear now.... I had posted a question in another thread and read a lot of forums without success. Now I know for sure that have to wait... any ideas on how much time.. thanks for all the help!!!
Super CID
When one upgrades a Radio ROM is it necessary to go back and make the device Super CID again, or is it sticky.
The reason for this question is that I down graded to bl 1.04, made my device Super CID as it was never simlocked, and then upgraded my Radio to 1.27. My device returned a QTEK code, so I just ran Super CID again. It now again displays Super CID.
Is that the way it works?
Thanks for your posting - it certainly has taught me a lot!
@basilrsa: To make SuperCID sticky you need to run Herm_Unlock_v2a.exe on your phone while it has the patched radio that shows SuperCID. Otherwise it is lost after radio upgrades.
Thanks again pof
pof said:
@basilrsa: To make SuperCID sticky you need to run Herm_Unlock_v2a.exe on your phone while it has the patched radio that shows SuperCID. Otherwise it is lost after radio upgrades.
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Thanks pof for that information. That's what I figured out so I reflashed the patched radio,reran Herm_Unlock_v2a.exe and then flashed the 1.27 radio.
Just to be sure I reran the Herm_Unlock_v2a.exe.
I guess that should be OK
Has this been put into the wiki? Someone please do the honours and report back with a roger wilco.
V
bl1.04
Gentlemen,
Quentin wrote:
"Even with the Super CID hack you cannot install a different radio
if your ROM installed BootLoader 1.06 or greater."
If my current machine state is
1. "Sticky" superCID has been accomplished.
2. Task 32 verifies the device is in superCID mode.
3. Bootloader page displays 1.04
does it stay that way for good regardless of what I flash? If I flash a rom which carries bl1.09 what is the bootloader version going to read on the device at the completion of the flash process?
If I make this simple and go buy a IMEI-check unlock to superCID my bl1.09 system will the bootloader page change to read bl1.04 and will it stay that way regardless of what I flash?
Is bl1.04 going to stay put with subsiquent rom loads?
Thanks
pof said:
@basilrsa: To make SuperCID sticky you need to run Herm_Unlock_v2a.exe on your phone while it has the patched radio that shows SuperCID. Otherwise it is lost after radio upgrades.
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Hi, I am quite new with all this things. I just upgraded my radio to 1.27.00.00, does it mean, that my phone is CID locked again (I unlocked it together with SIM unlock).
How do I find oud, whther the phone is SuperCID or not. Thnax a lot
zzzp said:
Hi, I am quite new with all this things. I just upgraded my radio to 1.27.00.00, does it mean, that my phone is CID locked again (I unlocked it together with SIM unlock).
How do I find oud, whther the phone is SuperCID or not. Thnax a lot
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Read the WIKI first... it tells you to issue 'info 2' command in bootloader.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Upgrades
Seriously, if you've CID unlocked and radio flashed your Hermes without reading this far you're probably going to brick your phone sometime soon, so it'll pay to do some more reading before you play too much more.
1.04 vs 1.06 vs 1.09
I've been "burning eyelashes" for the last few days, my Firefox tabs seems like a huge cargo train
One thing i never could understand of all the readings i've made is about the functional advantages on the various bootloaders . Let me explain:
I know 1.04 is the only one that allows radio-only flashes but let's forget all flashing. Let's concentrate on everyday's use.
Does anyone know if 1.06 and 1.09 will make the PDA run better? I mean, if there's a newer ROM that brings bug corrections and new features so i guess that's the same for bootloaders. In this line of thinking 1.09 should do something better than 1.04. If so what is it?
Why i'm making this question? It's because everyone wants to have the best software version for himself uses, so i don't understand why people improve on ROM's, ExtROM and radios but keep a lower version of the bootloader after flashing. Aren't they missing something using 1.04 instead of 1.09?
I have my TyTN only for a week now and i'm looking forward to do things right by reading all that i need to know. So far this is the question that i haven't seen answered.
Cheers everyone,
Evandro
Well...I'm no expert but I'd imagine that you're venturing down the wrong path. I would venture a guess that many of the bootloader revisions have been made solely to enforce increased security or to attempt to prevent hacking or modding of the underlying OS and Radio ROMs.
That was a really great summary and guide. Unfortunately from all the threads and Wikis I have been reading I feel like alot has been changing very fast and I don't fully understand. This guide was great, and I was wondering if the author or anyone else (there are a bunch of guys on here who really know what they are doing) could write an updated (mabey even more detailed/technical) version. I know how to do all the flashing and stuff, but I'm not so confident I know how it's all working, especially the more recent stuff. Mabey including how stuff like the SSPL, hard SPL, mtty, KITL, nbh/nbs, and other more technical methods being used now other than the standard RUUs.
I know almost all of this info is in the forums and the wikis, but it's a little rough to grasp it all when not together. I hope this doesn't upset anyone, I just figured Quentin was gracious enough to do it once mabey he or someone else would want to do it again. If it's too much to ask then just ignore my request. I have been reading the forums for a few months now and think you guys are doing amazing work. You have improved in weeks what it takes MS to build in years and you do it much better. Thank to all and sorry again if I offended anyone by asking this (just really scared to brick my really expensive phone ...lol)
Thanks
Bootloader 1.09 ... no problem!
sn00x said:
Bootloader
Versions
1.04
There is a bug in bootloader 1.04 wich allows you to flash any ROM without a CID check. You have to be in bootloader mode to use this bug.
It's possible to upgrade the RadioROM. You can even flash a patched RadioROM wich is needed to unlock your device.
[*]1.06
The bug from version 1.04 is fixed. Without downgrading to a Shipped ROM with bootloader 1.04 that matches your CID it's not possible to flash a ROM with a different CID.
The RadioROM can't be upgraded. You have to downgrade to bootloader 1.04 to unlock your device.
[*]1.09
You can't downgrade to bootloader 1.04 by flashing a Shipped ROM. However imei-check.co.uk is able to downgrade the bootloader.
There was a solution posted on this forum, but it was stolen from imei-check and was removed. If you are not willing to pay you have to wait until another solution is developed.
The RadioROM can't be upgraded. You have to downgrade to bootloader 1.04 to unlock your device.
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I think first pages should be updated since the issue regarding 1.09 has been resolved here by the great pof:
http://pof.eslack.org/hermes-unlocker/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293665
Regards
good job..
Related
Are there any downsides to downgrading to bootloader v1.04?
Does v1.06 have anything extra that v1.04 doesn't?
I have an X01HT (v1.06)
Is it possible that future ROM upgrades could be tied to the bootloader version?
Thanks
tle said:
Are there any downsides to downgrading to bootloader v1.04?
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Bootloader 1.06 enforces CID checking, bootloader 1.04 doesn't.
Bootloader 1.06 doesn't have 'rtask' command, bootloader 1.04 does.
rtask command allows you to do some "interesting" things, for example enter radio bootloader, and GSM AT command interface, where you can type AT commands to the phone from bootloader. Read the wiki Hermes bootloader page for more info.
tle said:
Does v1.06 have anything extra that v1.04 doesn't? I have an X01HT (v1.06)
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No, it has less things... rtask command removed
The "extra" thing is that your CID is checked when flashing a ROM, so you can't flash ROMs that are made for other Hermes devices such as HTC TyTN or Cingular 8525 on your X01HT.
tle said:
Is it possible that future ROM upgrades could be tied to the bootloader version?
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it is possible, but unlikely to happen, shouldn't worry you too much now.
Thanks for the quick reply, pof.
I guess that if a ROM were to be tied to bootloader v1.06 then someone would have to make a bootloader only upgrade... Do you foresee and potential issues there. (excluding copyright issues?
Thanks
tle said:
I guess that if a ROM were to be tied to bootloader v1.06 then someone would have to make a bootloader only upgrade... Do you foresee and potential issues there. (excluding copyright issues?
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No issues at all, and no "bootloader only upgrade" needed... if you are on 1.04 you just have to flash any ROM containing bootloader 1.06 to have bootloader 1.06 on your device. Then you could do the 'tied-to-1.06' upgrade.
But at the moment 1.06 and 1.04 are very similar, the only difference I've noticed is 'rtask' command and CID checking. rtask command also allows you to go radio bootloader and flash the 'extracted radio rom upgrades' (using rwdata), so you can't do a radio-only upgrade in 1.06 at the moment.
Anyway... I am investigating the way to provide an alternative method to go from 1.06 to 1.04 without copyright issues (as with the previous method from imei-check). Now I can jump from WinCE to IPL at physical address 0x0000000 and then the IPL reads the SPL from flash and executes it correctly.
The next step is to load the nb file for SPL 1.04 and place it in RAM at 0x3000000, and instead of jumping to IPL jump to SPL when this is done it will be possible to downgrade the bootlodaer for those of you on 1.06
Sounds like you are close to a solution. I read in a another thread that you said you are not a WINCE programmer, but you seems like you have a good grasp of low level programming. Best of luck!
I'm getting a lot of help from some friends, i wouldn't have reached this without their help, and I like to learn new things
What we're doing is modifying gnuharet to remove the linux-loading part and add very few changes in the ARM9 assembly part, if you're interested see the file src/wince/asmstuff.S.
pof said:
rtask command allows you to do some "interesting" things, for example enter radio bootloader, and GSM AT command interface, where you can type AT commands to the phone from bootloader.
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I guess it should be possible to do in wince by directly calling a rilgsm ioctl
(should work on universal, the equivalent code runs the phone in Linux).
devspecific code=54
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=rilgsm.dll
cr2, yes it is possible... this is what my unlocker does to do the [email protected] commands and uses almost the same code as buzz used on the universal.
EDIT: I read you too fast, I'm using RIL_DevSpecific commands to send the [email protected], but didn't read the code=54. Have to try this, thanks for pointing it out!
Help Needed!
Hi pof,
I (stupid guy!) upgraded from ME_DT_WWE_1182553_106_10303_Ship to Cingular 1.34.502.1 (1.06) and now I cannot downgrade (using for example Cingular_1.30.502.1 (1.04)...why?
I tried every unlocking process, every step you write here, but no way! Always ID ERROR (294)...whyyy????
I cannot understand...I think a downgrade to 1.04 could save me...
Please, help me...
Yes, downgrade will help you. Just downgrade to a full rom matching the CID on your device, or wait until a free solution to downgrade bootloader.
pof said:
Yes, downgrade will help you. Just downgrade to a full rom matching the CID on your device, or wait until a free solution to downgrade bootloader.
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Just to be sure: I flashed my Dutch TyTn (QTEK_E11) to Cing 1.34 WWE (CWS_001).
Now my CID still is QTEK_E11 or is it changed to CWS_001?
If is still is QTEK_E11 then I can go back to the Dutch HTC 1.18.254.2, can I?
And from there I can SuperCID my device?
I will soon have a Cingular 8525. I was thinking of upgrading it to the South African ROM. The one with the 1.09 bootloader.
I know the phone will have either a 1.04 or 1.06 bootloader so I can definitely unlock it, but I am looking for a full procedure thing. There is a lot with this, such as not being able to downgrade from 1.09 to 1.04 (which I found out you can actually do), and getting the SuperCID working, etc.
So could somebody be so kind and write up a procedure so I dont screw up a brand new phone. Thanks a bunch.
I second this request.
Actually I have read quite a lot about this on these wonderful forums by wonderful people but I am still not confident and therefore want to ask some specific questions:
1) My Jasjam original ROM is with bootloader 1.06. On the I-Mate site there is a ROM available with bootloader 1.04 and having the same CID as the one currently on my machine. If I install this ROM will my bootloader change to 1.04 from 1.06??
2) If after installing the ROM with bootloader 1.04 I attempt to install any other Hermes ROM say the Dopod ROM will it be possible simply by connecting my device with the computer through active sync and running the installation file on the PC?? Personally I think this will be possible as the bug in the bootloader 1.04 will allow me to do so.
3) My last question is that if after installing the i-mate ROM with bootloader 1.04 I install another ROM with bootloader 1.09 will I be permanently stuck with the bootloader 1.09 and afterwards not being able to install any other ROM.
I know some of my questions may sound foolish but I need the answers to gain some confidence that I have understood what I have read in these forums.
Kind Regards
@staulkor:
- Downgrade to cingular 1.30 rom to have bootloader 1.04 on your 8525
- Follow unlocking process as explained in the Readme file
- Double check that your radio version has changed from 1.13 to 1.16 after flashing the patched radio, once you're running the patched radio run Herm_Unlock_v2a.exe to SIM/CID unlock your phone.
- Upgrade to cingular 1.34 ROM again if you want the original ROM back on your device
@srmz:
1. yes
2. yes
3. yes, but read this
Thank Pof. I have heard much about you and all of your greatness throughout these forums. Thanks again
PLZ PLZ
dont tell me to read about it cause the forum is to help people and to talk
i tried to upgrade my radio to 1.20 and when it finish it say error 114
i made reset and nothing i tried many times and nothing.
i have now the new 1.35 rom from HTC
the boot loader is 1.09
but before i put this version i crack my version and make it super CID
so why i cant upgrade the radio?????
What is written 2 times in bold in this page?????
bubu23 said:
PLZ PLZ
dont tell me to read about it cause the forum is to help people and to talk
i tried to upgrade my radio to 1.20 and when it finish it say error 114
i made reset and nothing i tried many times and nothing.
i have now the new 1.35 rom from HTC
the boot loader is 1.09
but before i put this version i crack my version and make it super CID
so why i cant upgrade the radio?????
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http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_ExtractedRadioRoms
You need to downgrade the bootloader to 1.04 to run the radio only upgrade. If you still have the bootloader 1.09 running on your device, the radio only upgrade will fail.
If your bootloader version is 1.09, you can buy the Imei-check unlocker to have bootloader 1.04. The HTC Hermes unlocker from imei-check is able to flash the 1.04 bootloader. It transfers the required files to the Hermes via ActiveSync before actually the unlocking key file with your IMEI is requested. The bootloader is flashed on the device after you enter the valid key file (you have to pay for that).
I SEE THAT IF I WANT TO CHANGE BACK TO 1.04 I NEED TO
upgrate to other version of HTC 1.04 then ill do every thing
bubu23 said:
I SEE THAT IF I WANT TO CHANGE BACK TO 1.04 I NEED TO
upgrate to other version of HTC 1.04 then ill do every thing
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No, you still don't understand.
That method is only valid if your bootloader version is 1.06, if your bootloader version is 1.09, you can't downgrade because 1.09 will not allow to be "upgraded" to a lower version.
You should spend some time reading the wiki, otherwise you'll end up asking those pointless questions and will waste another 10's of hours or even days of your time asking those questions.
harryk1372 said:
No, you still don't understand.
That method is only valid if your bootloader version is 1.06, if your bootloader version is 1.09, you can't downgrade because 1.09 will not allow to be "upgraded" to a lower version.
You should spend some time reading the wiki, otherwise you'll end up asking those pointless questions and will waste another 10's of hours or even days of your time asking those questions.
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That ins't right.
I made de upgrade ro 1.35 ROM
Then i have bootloader 1.09, so i do the downgrade on bootloader with the *TOOL*, then i'm able to patch the 1.20 radio.
Actually i have:
Rom 1.35
Radio 1.20
Bootloader 1.04
So it's possible, but read is very necessary :S
Panda_N_Shark said:
That ins't right.
I made de upgrade ro 1.35 ROM
Then i have bootloader 1.09, so i do the downgrade on bootloader with the *TOOL*, then i'm able to patch the 1.20 radio.
Actually i have:
Rom 1.35
Radio 1.20
Bootloader 1.04
So it's possible, but read is very necessary :S
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well, that's only when you can get that tool thing from elsewhere, mate. not officially provided here in this forum.
Because it is paid, try find it on google or go to imei-check.co.uk
Panda_N_Shark said:
Because it is paid, try find it on google or go to imei-check.co.uk
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then, that's what i already said in the above post #3.
harryk1372 said:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_ExtractedRadioRoms
You need to downgrade the bootloader to 1.04 to run the radio only upgrade. If you still have the bootloader 1.09 running on your device, the radio only upgrade will fail.
If your bootloader version is 1.09, you can buy the Imei-check unlocker to have bootloader 1.04. The HTC Hermes unlocker from imei-check is able to flash the 1.04 bootloader. It transfers the required files to the Hermes via ActiveSync before actually the unlocking key file with your IMEI is requested. The bootloader is flashed on the device after you enter the valid key file (you have to pay for that).
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I had read many post here these few days and got so confuse.
I read in some post that reply from you and get this message,
please correct me if I am wrong.
If I buy a X01HT with 1.09 bootloader now,
Is it possible to downgrade to 1.04 use HERMES Bootloader 1.01 MFG?
After I downgrade to 1.04 then I can use your SIM UNLOCK v2a program
to SIM UNLOCK and CID UNLOCK. Also I can upgrade the radio and
ExtendedROMs to other language. Am I got the right message or wrong?
Thank You for answer my question!!
Mike
hokkeung said:
Hi pof,
I had read many post here these few days and got so confuse.
I read in some post that reply from you and get this message,
please correct me if I am wrong.
If I buy a X01HT with 1.09 bootloader now,
Is it possible to downgrade to 1.04 use HERMES Bootloader 1.01 MFG?
After I downgrade to 1.04 then I can use your SIM UNLOCK v2a program
to SIM UNLOCK and CID UNLOCK. Also I can upgrade the radio and
ExtendedROMs to other language. Am I got the right message or wrong?
Thank You for answer my question!!
Mike
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you can down to 1.04, but u can't get supercid, so u can't get Bootloader 1.01 MFG, and u can't flash other radio or OS.
i think.
If you want to discuss with one member only, please PM that person. If not, don't start thread with "To <member>:" You're only hurting yourself since doing this can limit the hits (people will ignore because title doesn't include them).
answer to your question: no, MFG solution is only available for SuperCID devices.
Sleuth255:
Thanks for your advance, coz Im new here.
So what is SuperCID? How I can know my mobile have SuperCID or not?
If not, how can I change to SuperCID?
Thanks!
"The CID is a string that identifies carrier and language of your device, it is contained also on ROM upgrade files and is used to check that you're flashing your device with the right ROM."
So SuperCID allows things from a different carrier to be flashed to your device without needing your specific vendor updates.
Connect to your device in bootloader mode through mtty.exe and issue the 'info 2' command. Do not copy and paste commands into mtty.
Links:
CID Info and other info.
Bootloader info and usage.
Hermes Wiki (95% of questions are answered in here)
Your method can work on bootloader 1.09?
If yes, after I change to mobile to SuperCID, then I can downgrade to 1.04,
right? And then I can upgrade the Rom, radio also?
I'm pretty sure that there's no SuperCID solution yet for your phone. I know you can unlock with the IMEI-check unlocker and I believe that takes you back to BL1.04, but you can't get to SuperCID since pof's custom radio won't flash on yours due to the radio bootloader yours has. Here's a link to a thread on this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=290228
You can make x01ht post dec-2nd SuperCID by paying imei-check unlocker. This will downgrade your bootloader to 1.04 too. After that you can flash 1.01 MFG if you want, and also unlock your ExtROM. To flash other radio you'll need to upgrade the bootloader to 1.09 again and use a radio in NBH format (shipped 1.27 for example). Your radio bootloader can't be downgraded and you can't flash extracted radio roms. That's all
To be simple, Post Dec X01HT can only be unlocked & superCID by IMEI-CHECK (NO FREE METHOD at the moment), better pay if you need the phone function.......
Ahhh... so the new IMEI-check unlocker also does SuperCID. Damn.... How'd they get their custom radio flashed I wonder? That's good news for users of this phone!
You said I can't update the Extracted Radio ROM, that mean I need to download this file "RUU_Hermes_TMD-TMA_Radiopatch_1.27.00.00_107_GER.exe", right? Is it the post 2nd-Dec X01HT problem, even I downgrade to B/L 1.04, I still can't upgrade the Extracted Radio ROM? One more thing, how can I upgrade to B/L 1.09 again?
Thanks
Anyone can help?
Thanks!
hokkeung said:
I need to download this file "RUU_Hermes_TMD-TMA_Radiopatch_1.27.00.00_107_GER.exe", right?
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Yes.
hokkeung said:
Is it the post 2nd-Dec X01HT problem, even I downgrade to B/L 1.04, I still can't upgrade the Extracted Radio ROM? One more thing, how can I upgrade to B/L 1.09 again?
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Yes, it's forced by radio bootloader 0108, you can upgrade to SPL-1.09 to flash radios in NBH, read more here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=290228&p=1117426
Unlock CID
HELP!!! dont want to send phone to service centre. Spl 1.01 mfg which is cid locked which means i cant upgrade bootloader to spl1.04 to flash a OS rom plus active sync does not connect whilst in bootload which most of the cid unlocking tools out there require a active sync connection. any way to cid unlock?
I have been reading all across the forums how to CID unlock, upgrade etc. However, I am not able to find the ways to do seeminly essential homework before trying to upgrade. These for me are:-
* Finding a way to completely backup all the stuff from original tytn. Like ROM, SPL, IPL, Radio, CIDlock etc. I feel that this is important as if ever I feel like going to the tried old one I should be able to and to preserve the warranty also. Also, the method to roll back if needed. This should be covering re CID locking the phone etc.
It makes sense to create a way to bring the phone to its completlely original shape if we need it
Thanks
Alber
alber786 said:
I have been reading all across the forums how to CID unlock, upgrade etc. However, I am not able to find the ways to do seeminly essential homework before trying to upgrade. These for me are:-
* Finding a way to completely backup all the stuff from original tytn. Like ROM, SPL, IPL, Radio, CIDlock etc. I feel that this is important as if ever I feel like going to the tried old one I should be able to and to preserve the warranty also. Also, the method to roll back if needed. This should be covering re CID locking the phone etc.
It makes sense to create a way to bring the phone to its completlely original shape if we need it
Thanks
Alber
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You do not need to back up your spl, ipl, etc. because if you need to roll back you can just reflash them on, and they can be found around here and in the wiki.
You cannot un-CIDunlock, but if you use hardspl v7 it will "trick" your phone into thinking it is (when in reality it isnt) so that you do not have to actually unlock it. If you ever need to send it in you can just flash the old spl over it.
mcorrie1121 said:
You do not need to back up your spl, ipl, etc. because if you need to roll back you can just reflash them on, and they can be found around here and in the wiki.
You cannot un-CIDunlock, but if you use hardspl v7 it will "trick" your phone into thinking it is (when in reality it isnt) so that you do not have to actually unlock it. If you ever need to send it in you can just flash the old spl over it.
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So you mean that hardspl doesnt CID unlock it? But isnt there really a way to extract the original components and then put them back again ?
thanks
Alber
alber786 said:
So you mean that hardspl doesnt CID unlock it? But isnt there really a way to extract the original components and then put them back again ?
thanks
Alber
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HardSPL does not CID unlock. pof's Free Unlocker (a sticky thread) does the SIM and CID unlocking. HardSPL is a new set of bootloaders allowing upgrade utilities to access and read/write to the phone. The most important aspect of this (besides bypassing the CID check) is the security - it has some overwrite protection built in to prevent you from accidentally corrupting the bootloader area, rendering your phone a brick. HardSPL is a safety measure.
If you check THE WIKI here on xda for the Hermes, you will find some stuff on extracting. It is most probable that it will be FAR easier to find new versions of everything you have, rather than trying to back up and restore. The wiki contains MANY shipped ROMs to allow you to restore back to basically the original condition. LOOK HERE for MW5 shipped ROMs and LOOK HERE for WM6 shipped ROMs.
todd_jg said:
HardSPL does not CID unlock. pof's Free Unlocker (a sticky thread) does the SIM and CID unlocking. HardSPL is a new set of bootloaders allowing upgrade utilities to access and read/write to the phone. The most important aspect of this (besides bypassing the CID check) is the security - it has some overwrite protection built in to prevent you from accidentally corrupting the bootloader area, rendering your phone a brick. HardSPL is a safety measure.
If you check THE WIKI here on xda for the Hermes, you will find some stuff on extracting. It is most probable that it will be FAR easier to find new versions of everything you have, rather than trying to back up and restore. The wiki contains MANY shipped ROMs to allow you to restore back to basically the original condition. LOOK HERE for MW5 shipped ROMs and LOOK HERE for WM6 shipped ROMs.
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what about the radio upgrade
the htc108 thing
its confusing
on pof's sticky it says to downgrade the radio if u have the htc 108..
but on the radio upgrade sticky, it says u can upgrade any phone[hermes] using custom ruu..
todd_jg said:
HardSPL does not CID unlock. pof's Free Unlocker (a sticky thread) does the SIM and CID unlocking. HardSPL is a new set of bootloaders allowing upgrade utilities to access and read/write to the phone. The most important aspect of this (besides bypassing the CID check) is the security - it has some overwrite protection built in to prevent you from accidentally corrupting the bootloader area, rendering your phone a brick. HardSPL is a safety measure.
If you check THE WIKI here on xda for the Hermes, you will find some stuff on extracting. It is most probable that it will be FAR easier to find new versions of everything you have, rather than trying to back up and restore. The wiki contains MANY shipped ROMs to allow you to restore back to basically the original condition. LOOK HERE for MW5 shipped ROMs and LOOK HERE for WM6 shipped ROMs.
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Thanks a lot for the reply, I appreciate the time you spent in expaining this to me and providing these links.
I was wondering if HARDSPL is like shelltool where it will only allow upgrade or flashing of OS part. So, once I use the HARDSPL and flash say HTC official WM6 release or Dopod WM6, will I be ableto to get the bundled radio and SPL and IPL upgrades from these ROMS? and if yes then will HARDSPL get replaced by these SPLs and IPLs built into the ROMS? One more thing, will an upgrade like that can brick the phone as if I rum the official ROM it will try to upgrade the SPL and IPL (I am not sure).
What is the preferred way of upgrading ? unlocking CID by the tool or HARDSPL ?
I have read somewhere that lockwiz tool used for Wizard can save CID also and some tool and put it back also but I dont know how and if the same tool can do it for hermes?
Regards,
Alber
alber786 said:
Thanks a lot for the reply, I appreciate the time you spent in expaining this to me and providing these links.
I was wondering if HARDSPL is like shelltool where it will only allow upgrade or flashing of OS part. So, once I use the HARDSPL and flash say HTC official WM6 release or Dopod WM6, will I be ableto to get the bundled radio and SPL and IPL upgrades from these ROMS? and if yes then will HARDSPL get replaced by these SPLs and IPLs built into the ROMS? One more thing, will an upgrade like that can brick the phone as if I rum the official ROM it will try to upgrade the SPL and IPL (I am not sure).
What is the preferred way of upgrading ? unlocking CID by the tool or HARDSPL ?
I have read somewhere that lockwiz tool used for Wizard can save CID also and some tool and put it back also but I dont know how and if the same tool can do it for hermes?
Regards,
Alber
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Most cooked roms are os only, but a few have a radio, etc. included. If its os only, flashing will only change the os. You can separately flash radio.
Hardspl is the best because its reversible. Well thats not the best word to describe it....id say because its not permanent. But u know what i mean
alber786 said:
Thanks a lot for the reply, I appreciate the time you spent in expaining this to me and providing these links.
I was wondering if HARDSPL is like shelltool where it will only allow upgrade or flashing of OS part. So, once I use the HARDSPL and flash say HTC official WM6 release or Dopod WM6, will I be ableto to get the bundled radio and SPL and IPL upgrades from these ROMS? and if yes then will HARDSPL get replaced by these SPLs and IPLs built into the ROMS? One more thing, will an upgrade like that can brick the phone as if I rum the official ROM it will try to upgrade the SPL and IPL (I am not sure).
What is the preferred way of upgrading ? unlocking CID by the tool or HARDSPL ?
I have read somewhere that lockwiz tool used for Wizard can save CID also and some tool and put it back also but I dont know how and if the same tool can do it for hermes?
Regards,
Alber
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Mcorrie1121 is right. I will add a couple of things.
1. HardSPL is not *necessary* for flashing anything, it only makes it safer and allows you to flash ROMs with CIDs that do not match your device without CID unlocking. Your ROM is basically a few parts - OS, Radio, IPL, SPL, ExtROM, MainSplash and SubSplash. The HardSPL will replace the SPL only. Most non-carrier ROM releases are OS only. Most carrier ROMs (as you pointed out) have ALL of these things. As Mcorrie1121 pointed out, you can easily find a radio - check the wiki, search, etc.
2. Once you have upgraded to a cooked ROM (and HardSPL), you will still be able to upgrade to a Shipped Official ROM. You may need to "unpack" it and use the CustomRUU instead of the shipped updater. That is OK though.
3. HardSPL will not allow overwriting of the IPL/SPL except by another HardSPL (see mrvanx.org downgrade guides). You will not have a problem. It will keep your bootloader zone safe.
4. I don't think there is a preferred way. Some people unlock CID, others do not. There is no reason to *not* unlock it, unless you plan to send it back - and I have never heard of someone getting service rejected for this reason. Wring ROM, yes. CID unlocked, no. That said, maybe try without CID unlocking first and then if you find you need to do it for some reason, then do it. You really do not have to do it, since the Custom Updater bypasses the CID check anyway.
5. Regarding the 0108 Radio BL issue, don't worry much about that - it is an old problem. Just don't go below whatever version you have now.
todd_jg said:
Mcorrie1121 is right. I will add a couple of things.
1. HardSPL is not *necessary* for flashing anything, it only makes it safer and allows you to flash ROMs with CIDs that do not match your device without CID unlocking. Your ROM is basically a few parts - OS, Radio, IPL, SPL, ExtROM, MainSplash and SubSplash. The HardSPL will replace the SPL only. Most non-carrier ROM releases are OS only. Most carrier ROMs (as you pointed out) have ALL of these things. As Mcorrie1121 pointed out, you can easily find a radio - check the wiki, search, etc.
2. Once you have upgraded to a cooked ROM (and HardSPL), you will still be able to upgrade to a Shipped Official ROM. You may need to "unpack" it and use the CustomRUU instead of the shipped updater. That is OK though.
3. HardSPL will not allow overwriting of the IPL/SPL except by another HardSPL (see mrvanx.org downgrade guides). You will not have a problem. It will keep your bootloader zone safe.
4. I don't think there is a preferred way. Some people unlock CID, others do not. There is no reason to *not* unlock it, unless you plan to send it back - and I have never heard of someone getting service rejected for this reason. Wring ROM, yes. CID unlocked, no. That said, maybe try without CID unlocking first and then if you find you need to do it for some reason, then do it. You really do not have to do it, since the Custom Updater bypasses the CID check anyway.
5. Regarding the 0108 Radio BL issue, don't worry much about that - it is an old problem. Just don't go below whatever version you have now.
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Thanks, I appreciate your help. Please tell me if I can put back WM5 back on it after upgrading.
Regards,
Alber
todd_jg said:
Mcorrie1121 is right. I will add a couple of things.
1. HardSPL is not *necessary* for flashing anything, it only makes it safer and allows you to flash ROMs with CIDs that do not match your device without CID unlocking. Your ROM is basically a few parts - OS, Radio, IPL, SPL, ExtROM, MainSplash and SubSplash. The HardSPL will replace the SPL only. Most non-carrier ROM releases are OS only. Most carrier ROMs (as you pointed out) have ALL of these things. As Mcorrie1121 pointed out, you can easily find a radio - check the wiki, search, etc.
2. Once you have upgraded to a cooked ROM (and HardSPL), you will still be able to upgrade to a Shipped Official ROM. You may need to "unpack" it and use the CustomRUU instead of the shipped updater. That is OK though.
3. HardSPL will not allow overwriting of the IPL/SPL except by another HardSPL (see mrvanx.org downgrade guides). You will not have a problem. It will keep your bootloader zone safe.
4. I don't think there is a preferred way. Some people unlock CID, others do not. There is no reason to *not* unlock it, unless you plan to send it back - and I have never heard of someone getting service rejected for this reason. Wring ROM, yes. CID unlocked, no. That said, maybe try without CID unlocking first and then if you find you need to do it for some reason, then do it. You really do not have to do it, since the Custom Updater bypasses the CID check anyway.
5. Regarding the 0108 Radio BL issue, don't worry much about that - it is an old problem. Just don't go below whatever version you have now.
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Dear, please help me with one thing-I am terribly confused about the procedure to upgrade my JASJAM to WM6. I understand that one way is to CIS unlock it and install on it the official and dopod releases of WM6. I wanted to know how can I do the same using the HARDspl. I know that I can install the HARDSPL but after that what ??? Can I then run the offcial RUU from HTC or Dopod or I am supposed to do it some other way as I am afraid that it may contain the SPL and IPL and can break by phone OR I have to use some customRUU (I dont know) OR I am supposed to extract the OS from these official releases (I dont know how) OR ..
Can you please clear these confusion??
I have:-
* I-Mate JASJAM, CID locked i suppose as when I run official HTC or dopod it says this update utility is not for this
*I really wanted to save my devices complete state and a way to revert it to the way it was like SPL, IPL, OS, Radio, CID lock etc.
PLS pls help
Regards,
Alber
alber786 said:
Dear, please help me with one thing-I am terribly confused about the procedure to upgrade my JASJAM to WM6. I understand that one way is to CIS unlock it and install on it the official and dopod releases of WM6. I wanted to know how can I do the same using the HARDspl. I know that I can install the HARDSPL but after that what ??? Can I then run the offcial RUU from HTC or Dopod or I am supposed to do it some other way as I am afraid that it may contain the SPL and IPL and can break by phone OR I have to use some customRUU (I dont know) OR I am supposed to extract the OS from these official releases (I dont know how) OR ..
Can you please clear these confusion??
I have:-
* I-Mate JASJAM, CID locked i suppose as when I run official HTC or dopod it says this update utility is not for this
*I really wanted to save my devices complete state and a way to revert it to the way it was like SPL, IPL, OS, Radio, CID lock etc.
PLS pls help
Regards,
Alber
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CLICK THIS LINK
There are upgrade guides there and guides to put it back the way it was (OS, Radio, IPL, SPL, MainSplash and SubSplash) - it is all covered.
The upgrade guides will get you through the upgrade process. The only thing you need to do after that to use an official upgrade is to unrar (using winrar or something) the executable file and take the nbh and us it with the CustomRUU, which can be found HERE .