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ORA extUSB 3-in-1 Adaptor for HTC TyTN
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It's nice, but looks too big for listening on headphones while traveling.
now that is what you call multitasking!!!
wow thats what i need!
Again it depends on whether using the headphone adapter stops the handset microphone working. It's the one bug in the Martin Fields adapter.
Has someone tested it and can tell whether it is strong and reliable?
usb adapter
I got mine 2 weeks ago, it sits in the car and does a great job. it IS well made and not cheap plastic. now if ony i can plug a usb stick/hdd into it
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I got mine 2 weeks ago, it sits in the car and does a great job. it IS well made and not cheap plastic. now if ony i can plug a usb stick/hdd into it
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Mmmm ....... now that would be a thing of wonder and amazement.
Is there something like a Mini USB Memory stick ?
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Is there something like a Mini USB Memory stick ?
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Yes I'm looking for an adaptor so I can plug in a normal memory stick (using the usb host function) can anyone let me know where I can get one of these (UK ideally).
usb host -- external harddisk
The 3 in 1 adapter is one thing...
The message about enabling HTC to be USB Host ... is another.
Where did you find the needed drivers / s/w for HTC to be able to connect to a usb mem stick. (Or external HDD, or my Creative Zen Vision:M)
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The 3 in 1 adapter is one thing...
The message about enabling HTC to be USB Host ... is another.
Where did you find the needed drivers / s/w for HTC to be able to connect to a usb mem stick. (Or external HDD, or my Creative Zen Vision:M)
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i belive that we are limited to the hardaware....otherwise we could use the files from the UNI.
To those of you who have purchased this 3 in 1 adaptor:
Does the end which plugs into the Hermes have exactly the same shape as the port on the bottom of the Hermes (with all sides of the port at right angles except for one diagonal notch in the lower right hand corner), or is it a standard mini-USB plug with notches on either side of the plug?
The reason I ask is that I would like to be able to plug the HTC-designed cradle I bought from Expansys into a desktop speaker system, but the HTC cradle only has the standard shaped mini-USB ports.
Interestingly, the HTC cradle has two mini-USB jacks, one marked with the USB icon (for synchronizing), and one marked with a power plug icon (for charging). I wish it had a headphone jack too.
Why does HTC make it so hard to use this device to listen to music? How about an honest to goodness 3.5 mm headphone jack on the bloody device itself? How about not making us choose whether to charge the unit OR listen to music? I hope they don't wonder why the iPod is so successful, or why so many folks are interested in the iPhone...
Okay, rant over. Any ideas or pictures of the device side of the 3 in 1 adaptor (you could use the Hermes' built in 2.0 mega pixel camera!) from those of you who purchased it?
the hermes does not support USB hosting... just passthrough... therefore will not work...
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Project_23a said:
To those of you who have purchased this 3 in 1 adaptor:
Does the end which plugs into the Hermes have exactly the same shape as the port on the bottom of the Hermes (with all sides of the port at right angles except for one diagonal notch in the lower right hand corner), or is it a standard mini-USB plug with notches on either side of the plug?
The reason I ask is that I would like to be able to plug the HTC-designed cradle I bought from Expansys into a desktop speaker system, but the HTC cradle only has the standard shaped mini-USB ports.
Interestingly, the HTC cradle has two mini-USB jacks, one marked with the USB icon (for synchronizing), and one marked with a power plug icon (for charging). I wish it had a headphone jack too.
Why does HTC make it so hard to use this device to listen to music? How about an honest to goodness 3.5 mm headphone jack on the bloody device itself? How about not making us choose whether to charge the unit OR listen to music? I hope they don't wonder why the iPod is so successful, or why so many folks are interested in the iPhone...
Okay, rant over. Any ideas or pictures of the device side of the 3 in 1 adaptor (you could use the Hermes' built in 2.0 mega pixel camera!) from those of you who purchased it?
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I was wondering the same thing. This would solve a huge problem that I am having with my setup as well.
walshieau said:
the hermes does not support USB hosting... just passthrough... therefore will not work...
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I presume this means that you would not be able to plug in something like a USB memory stick with some sort of USB Mini adaptor ?
Just thinking outside the box, not even sure what I would use it for if it was possible.
Mmm .... I guess transferring files to TyTN when there is no USB cable or WiFi available.
Guess what I really need to do is to get as USB adaptor for the Memory Card ...
Right Angle or regular mini USB
Just wondering if anyone who has bought this knows if this is a right angle or a regular mini USB on the end that plugs into the phone.
I have one of these. Its brilliant, well... to an extent.
It has the same non-standard usb shape as the HTC plug that goes into the Hermes. It has to, to connect to Charging, USB and audio.
I use normal headphones with it, works a treat.
I also have a car mount, and my little project was to use my 2.5" Wifi all-in-one disc/access point in the car (Its a Asus something or other). Use WiFi on the Hermes to connect to 80G 2.5" disc in the car boot, and play music using cassette adapter through the car stereo.
Only problem is, if I mod my car mount so this adapter is in it permanently (which I have done), audio from the phone is always diverted through the adapter, whether you have phones plugged in or not.
Which means I wouldnt hear TomTom directions unless I was using the Phone for audio (i.e. not use car radio or CD).
I have this splitter as well. I ride a motorcycle and this thing is great: it allows me to listen to music and use spoken instructions from TomTom for navigation at the same time.
However, I do have a small question. I'd like to have an 'activation button' and a noise cancelling microphone in the helmet. Anyone know if there's a headset around that offers this, one where I could just cut off the earphones??
By the way, has anyone tried hooking up both regular headphones and a complete headset? Does the TyTN/splitter allow audio to both at the same time?
OK, I just got my new adaptor (Stereo Headphone Adapter For ExtUSB 11 pin to 3.5mm) and I was thinking that I can't really charge the phone while using it. This dongle might be the solution. Has anyone tried it with this:
Monaro427 said:
OK, I just got my new adaptor (Stereo Headphone Adapter For ExtUSB 11 pin to 3.5mm) and I was thinking that I can't really charge the phone while using it. This dongle might be the solution.
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Why wouldn't you be able to charge the phone while using it? Bluetooth earpiece, regular headset, etc. all work fine while charging. Unless you mean 'on the road' when there's no wall outlet
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Hi I lost my G1 cable and I wanted to know if I could use a regular mini USB to update my G1 without having issues?
Yes, you can.
Make sure the miniusb cable you are using has a ferrite core/bead on it. Some folks with poorly shielded computer innards have experienced data corruption on cables without ferrites. If your miniusb cable doesn't have one, look around the house for a computer cable with a core that you can remove.
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You can remove those things? I thought they were attached to the wire. I've just been using random junky usb cables with no beads on 'em and I haven't had any problems. I just checked the cord that came with the G1 and that doesn't even have a bead on it.
yeah hes saying, some people, so more often than not you dont need one, its for people who like to be extra safe especially if they end up bricking the device from corrupted data.
one thing that i have heard is that adb will not work if you are using a regular cable, there are a few extra wires and connectors in the usb cable for the G1, it is also a different shape than that of a regular mini usb connector. but for daily use, or just moviing files you shouldn't have any problems
Err, I have several mini USB's, I usually randomly grab one when I work with my G1, I have never had a problem with using ABD or any other type of problem. Also, I'm 99% positive the stock USB cable is no different then any other cable.
Wisefire said:
Also, I'm 99% positive the stock USB cable is no different then any other cable.
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and i am 100% positive it is different from 99% of other mini USB cables. look at the input for the cable on your g1 and compare it to the mini USB port on anything else you have laying around your house and you will notice there is a difference
tubaking182 said:
and i am 100% positive it is different from 99% of other mini USB cables. look at the input for the cable on your g1 and compare it to the mini USB port on anything else you have laying around your house and you will notice there is a difference
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Yes, The input is strange, The HTC Shadow is the exact same way. Do realize, the stock USB's "Head", the metal pin, is not the perfect match for the slot on the Dream, it's a basic mini USB. Although, The included stock headphone/ear piece's connector, does in fact fit the input in the exact manor.
I think it's just the "head shape" that is different. I hvn't had any problems with other USBs.
Yes, currently I am using a Blackberry USB cable, and ADB and all functions work properly. In the past, I've used the original G1 cable, one for a Canon digital camera and one for an HTC Vogue, ADB works for all of them. Most of all, USB stands for Universal Serial Bus.. so I assume they are all the same.
tubaking182 said:
and i am 100% positive it is different from 99% of other mini USB cables. look at the input for the cable on your g1 and compare it to the mini USB port on anything else you have laying around your house and you will notice there is a difference
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It's an ExtUSB port, which is a HTC variant of the mini usb plug that has additional pins for audio. However the usb data lines are physically and electrically identical to standard usb, so for all intents and purposes unless you are using a special ExtUSB headset, it is plain mini usb. The supplied cable is a standard mini usb, so any other mini usb cable will work. Do heed my earlier warning to use a cable with a ferrite though.
I have about 30 different mini usb cables sitting around the house and i have probably used all of them once to or twice well doing playing with my HTC devices
Actually, that ferrite theory might explain things for me... I am experiencing some strange behavior when I use cables without the ferrite bead - the G1 will act as it's charging, but I don't get the "mount" option, i.e. it doesn't detect that it's actually connected to my computer. This happens both when directly connected to the computer USB port, and via a USB hub. I'm pretty sure that when I use a cable with the ferrite bead it also detects the computer and I'm able to data mount it.
Also, when using a cable without the bead, I have noticed that although the G1 says it's charging, it either doesn't or it charges really, really slowly, cause I could check by pressing power or menu once that it says charging - 76%, then turn off the display, then check again like half an hour later and it's still at 76%.
So I would actually say yes: the USB cable matters big time.
But of course, this is all based on my personal experience.
~Christopher
i plugged up an old desktop to retrieve some stuff the other day and realized that it didn't have usb2.0 and would not let the phone stay mounted. so just a caution if thats an issue.
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Actually, that ferrite theory might explain things for me... I am experiencing some strange behavior when I use cables without the ferrite bead - the G1 will act as it's charging, but I don't get the "mount" option, i.e. it doesn't detect that it's actually connected to my computer. This happens both when directly connected to the computer USB port, and via a USB hub. I'm pretty sure that when I use a cable with the ferrite bead it also detects the computer and I'm able to data mount it.
Also, when using a cable without the bead, I have noticed that although the G1 says it's charging, it either doesn't or it charges really, really slowly, cause I could check by pressing power or menu once that it says charging - 76%, then turn off the display, then check again like half an hour later and it's still at 76%.
So I would actually say yes: the USB cable matters big time.
But of course, this is all based on my personal experience.
~Christopher
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strange, that's a similar thing that happens when not using enough voltage (the battery issue). I have a homemade battery powered usb charger, but it's only 4.5v as opposed to 5v. This causes strange issues with my g1 and my girlfriends. do you have lots of things drawing power (LED lights, lit up SATA cables, tons of usb stuff etc) because that can cause instability with your computer and sometimes undervolting usb things.
Ferrite beads more have to do with interference which doesnt seem like issue. Although i'd certainly use a cable with a ferrite bead when flashing or issuing commands via adb, flashboot etc.
The Expansys web site describes the Flyer as having a "standard micro-USB" connector.
The Flyer I have just unboxed and put on charge came with a micro-USB connector which was different even from the usual, half-squared off, HTC connector. This one has a cut-away at the top and (in a different axis) at the bottom.
I tried one of my older HTC USB connectors (Athena, Hero), but it resisted and I didn't want to force the issue, so the Flyer is charging on the connector it came with.
But is this for real? Have HTC changed the "standard" micro-USB for something propriety?
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The Expansys web site describes the Flyer as having a "standard micro-USB" connector.
The Flyer I have just unboxed and put on charge came with a micro-USB connector which was different even from the usual, half-squared off, HTC connector. This one has a cut-away at the top and (in a different axis) at the bottom.
I tried one of my older HTC USB connectors (Athena, Hero), but it resisted and I didn't want to force the issue, so the Flyer is charging on the connector it came with.
But is this for real? Have HTC changed the "standard" micro-USB for something propriety?
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Yes and no. It is a proprietary connector but microUSB cables still fit in the device. I've charged from a PC already and it works fine, although its SUPER SLOW.
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A: Flyer "standard micro-USB", note the cut-away on the top.
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B: standard micro-USB cable, note the straight top.
Plug B will not fit socket A.
Devany said:
B: standard micro-USB cable, note the straight top.
Plug B will not fit socket A.
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This is not a microUSB cable. It is a MiniUSB cable which is vastly different and does not fit in the flyer.
Thanks, but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usb_connectors.JPG
Not a one there has a cut-away.
Nice thing about standards... there are so many of them.
Also, tried Google/Images for "micro usb" and all the various mini and micro usb cables I have. Not one of them has this propitiatory shape.
Have you got a link to something authoritative?
PS: Cooks? What's wrong with cooks? Do you mean crooks?
That is why I said yes and no. It is a propriatary connector that also allows for connection with microUSB. If you are familar with HTC devices many of their winmo devices had miniUSB Ext connectors which were propriatary but allowed for a regular miniusb connector to connect to it. That was before the microUSB standard was made.
Flyer Port
Plugged into the PC
Connected to standard microUSB
Charging status
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Devany said:
Thanks, but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usb_connectors.JPG
Not a one there has a cut-away.
Nice thing about standards... there are so many of them.
Also, tried Google/Images for "micro usb" and all the various mini and micro usb cables I have. Not one of them has this propitiatory shape.
Have you got a link to something authoritative?
PS: Cooks? What's wrong with cooks? Do you mean crooks?
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The micro-usb connector is the far left connector in your Wikidpedia link, the one you're holding / trying is the 3rd connector from the left which is a mini-usb.
Here are some pics with a generic sony ericsson mini-usb.
Sorry for the bad pics from my phone... and sorry for the duplicate pics... someone beat me to the upload.
f' I get it now.
Better get me some of these...
http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/module.jsp?moduleId=cpc/548876.xml
Thanks
The port/connector is desined to stop you using the mains charger with other devices as it would "fry" them! This is why you can use a micoUSB connector with the Flyer.
Are you suggesting that if I used a micro to mini converter that I could fry the Flyer?
My issue is that I have several (proper, branded) HTC car chargers which have mini-usb connectors - which I used for the X7500/Athena.
A converter would mean I don't have to replace these chargers.
But the voltages would be the same, wouldn't they? USB current/voltages don't change depending on the cable... do they?
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To buy a charger wouldn't cost much, but I use my gf blackberry charger on my dhd I thought it was battery that drew the charge.....
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The Flyer white mains adaptor is designed to stop you using it with another device. But you can use a standard micro usb with the Flyer port. I hope this is clear.
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Are you suggesting that if I used a micro to mini converter that I could fry the Flyer?
My issue is that I have several (proper, branded) HTC car chargers which have mini-usb connectors - which I used for the X7500/Athena.
A converter would mean I don't have to replace these chargers.
But the voltages would be the same, wouldn't they? USB current/voltages don't change depending on the cable... do they?
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You can use normal chargers on the Flyer, it'll just be slower. That's why their power adapter is different and much more potent for faster charging. And as Jah says, if you were to use the Flyer's charger with a phone it would most likely fry it as the phone isn't designed to handle those power levels (ergo the different plug, making it impossible to connect the flyer's adapter to another, incompatible, device).
The flyer has 12pin micro usb not 5pin to be used for hdmi output same like the in the htc incredible and htc sensation
Meh...I've tried three different micro-USB cables including an HTC variant from my Mozart, and although they sort of fit, none seem to go in far enough to charge or sync. Weird.
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Need to get this sorted ASAP.
The reason the Flyer has a 'Unique' micro-USB socket is that the charger is 1.5 AMPS. (And is a HDMI output)
This provides enough current for heavy use and charge at the same time.
Do not expect a standard micro-USB to charge your Flyer if you are using it, it will infact drain the battery!
A standard micro-USB cable will charge your Flyer if it is connected to a minimum 1Amp plug charger overnight and the Flyer is not in use.
Do not expect a Flyer to charge from a 500mA PCLaptop USB socket whilst you are using it!
Remember guys, this is much bigger than a mobile phone and even some of them would not correctly charge from a PC/Laptop USB.
Use your mains charger to charge it every night (or as much as possible) to keep it from going below 20%.
Do not expect it to charge from the sync cable (until we get 3rd party dual usb source cables as for some DVD writer drives).
THEN you will keep the life in your battery.
Soz for the bold font but wanted to get the message across.
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Meh...I've tried three different micro-USB cables including an HTC variant from my Mozart, and although they sort of fit, none seem to go in far enough to charge or sync. Weird.
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I've tried 3 or 4 different Micro-USB sync cables or chargers, and every one works. They plug in "upside-down" from how the plug goes into most Micro-USB devices that I am familiar with. Meaning, the spring-loaded prongs/teeth on the male plug should be facing down (if your Flyer is on a table, screen up), and you insert the male end in the lower "half" of the Flyer's port. Both sync and charge work.
A generic micro-usb will power and charge the Flyer. I use my laptop while traveling to accomplish this. When its charging, I'm usually not using it... I'm asleep.
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They plug in "upside-down" from how the plug goes into most Micro-USB devices that I am familiar with.
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ah...oops
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ah...oops
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Don't feel bad. I was making the same mistake, and don't know if I would have even figured it out, if I hadn't come on here and read about it. I didn't want to force it, or do anything that might damage the port, so I don't know if I would have thought to turn it upside-down on my own.
Just wondering if a typical cell charger can provide enough power to power these three things. (or if it will even work properly)
1 The Phone
2 A USB flash drive
3 HML adapter
What I want to do is connect power to the USB splitter male (I already have a wall plug to USB female adapter) then with the USB female ends I will connect a USB flash drive and then use a male USB to male micro-USB cable to power the MHL adapter. The phone goes to the other micro-USB end of the MHL adapter.
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I want this for two reasons. 1 So I can play media from a flash drive to a TV or monitor and 2 (if this will even work) use it to connect a USB to XLR cable so that I can record with a better quality microphone to my phone.
I realize that the phone being able to recognize and use the flash drive or microphone may be an issue but I can take a chance on that if nobody can confirm if it will or will not work.
BTW: if you have not already noticed, we are finally starting to get some reasonably priced MHL adapters on fleabay now. They are ranging from around 20-26 CAD (one in picture is 26)
I would like to know as well, as that sounds like a great alternative to carrying around DVD's and stuff, maybe even an externally powered harddrive, would need extfat or ntfs support though for large files.
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Linux reads NTFS hard drives and flash drives fine, so I am hoping that Android should also.
I was planning on getting the MHL adapter regardless anyway, and the other cables that I would need would only be like 10 bucks. So I am wanting to try it out since, like you say, opens up more options for portability that may replace other devices or at least take up less space.
I was mainly looking to see if I would hear a show stopper of why not to do this, like if this set up could damage something that is connected.
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Linux reads NTFS hard drives and flash drives fine, so I am hoping that Android should also.
I was planning on getting the MHL adapter regardless anyway, and the other cables that I would need would only be like 10 bucks. So I am wanting to try it out since, like you say, opens up more options for portability that may replace other devices or at least take up less space.
I was mainly looking to see if I would hear a show stopper of why not to do this, like if this set up could damage something that is connected.
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You will need a proper usb to go cable to connect the flash drive or hdd, i have connected a flash drive to my phone without any problems..
I would think you would need a custom kernels or ntfs-3G modules for the kernel you are using.
The big thing is if the phone can deal with being charged, output hdmi and connect to a HDD over the same usb port at the same time?
Maybe a powered hub?
Also wondering if there would be enough bandwidth on the bus to support that all.
The big thing that would be good for me is that I could buy a cheap self powered hdd, load it up with movies and stuff and watch it while at work where there's a lot of down time, and being able to charge and use tv out at the same time would mean I could watch the iplayer or something on the tv without having to worry about battery life!
Hey, connect a mouse and keyboard as well and your phone is basically a normal computer!
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Good idea. This powered hub is almost as cheap as the splitter cable and should take care of any power requirements.
As for the on-the-go cable, I have different angled micro male to usb female cables already so that I can help take stress off the jack when using it while charging. My USB flash drive does not power up with this cable. I just assumed it needed external power. What is different about the OTG cable, did they twist some wires or are mine just meant for charging if they are not working ? All the pins are present and the cable is thick, so no reason why they would not just connect everything internally.
Thanks for the replies so far.
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Good idea. This powered hub is almost as cheap as the splitter cable and should take care of any power requirements.
As for the on-the-go cable, I have different angled micro male to usb female cables already so that I can help take stress off the jack when using it while charging. My USB flash drive does not power up with this cable. I just assumed it needed external power. What is different about the OTG cable, did they twist some wires or are mine just meant for charging if they are not working ? All the pins are present and the cable is thick, so no reason why they would not just connect everything internally.
Thanks for the replies so far.
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In order for usb to go to work you need a special cable, its got a special pin that's grounded or floating or has a few different values depending, the cables are very cheap on eBay or there's guides on how to make them.
OTG won't work with generic cables im afraid.
I just want this idea to work myself :d
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Im sitting here with a SGS2 with a USB kb, mouse, and a flash drive connected to it.
SGS2> (usb to go cable) > Powered hub > Mouse + keyboard + flash drive.
To get random devices to work (not hubs, input devices) you will need to add the device ids, see this thread for more info, more info and some device/vendor ids and a huge list of almost every device/vendor id
Attached is a rules file with logitech and some other vendors, add and expand as needed!
Now I need to buy a micro USB > many micro USB's and a mhl cable!
The powered hub is a must or stuff just wont work due to the power draw.
Im looking at picture of the MHL adaptor, and they all have a USB port for passthough, so we can defo at the very least charge while outputting via it.
The big question now is if you can daisy chain and do MHL and OTG at the same time!
Well, unless on a lucky chance the USB port will work with a splitter, you cant do MHL and OTG at the same time. A real shame
Thanks for the updates and links veyka. It also looks like the OTG cables do not charge the phone with the jumpered pins, so I will have to make sure and mark the OTG cables when they get here.
I should have the rest of my cables arrive in about 2-3 weeks and will post an update of what will or will not work. Sounds like the OTG cable alone should work with the USB to XLR cable for a microphone, as long as I can find a way to get the phone to recognize it. Though it would be nice to charge at the same time as well which the OTG does not support.
Do you know off hand what the headphone jack will accept for inputs ? Will it take TRRS or TRS audio in as well ? I am just looking at more options for XLR to the phone for connectivity without needing a mixer. Then I will use a mixer as well to see how much of a difference the balanced XLR out will make.
K3VL4R said:
Thanks for the updates and links veyka. It also looks like the OTG cables do not charge the phone with the jumpered pins, so I will have to make sure and mark the OTG cables when they get here.
I should have the rest of my cables arrive in about 2-3 weeks and will post an update of what will or will not work. Sounds like the OTG cable alone should work with the USB to XLR cable for a microphone, as long as I can find a way to get the phone to recognize it. Though it would be nice to charge at the same time as well which the OTG does not support.
Do you know off hand what the headphone jack will accept for inputs ? Will it take TRRS or TRS audio in as well ? I am just looking at more options for XLR to the phone for connectivity without needing a mixer. Then I will use a mixer as well to see how much of a difference the balanced XLR out will make.
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In the end android should support anything linux does, you might need to build a kernel module (driver) or find someone that will for you.
You can get pretty much any input device going with the links above, but other stuff, I dont know im afraid
Hope lives eternal.
No clue im afraid
No problem bud. You have been more than helpful already. I already have a plethora of cables and devices for recording on laptop and PC with Windows and Linux. My Android uses for recording are so far purely just for practicing so that I have it down in case something of interest is created. So ease of use and portability is the main factor.
It also interested me just to be able to find different ways of recording since so much of it is done through software these says. The more knowledgeable I am with cables, signals and processing, the more options that I will have available to me. Though I still like to mic an amp then process afterwards.
I just made my own "car dock" cable based on the information over the "Fun with resistors" thread.
Basically I have a cable with a micro-usb connector that switch my phone to "car dock" mode, audio via usb/aux and charging.
CHECK THE 2ND POST FOR UPDATES, PICTURES AND A QUICK VIDEO.
WARNING:
This cable can physically damage/destroy your phone if made incorrectly.
If you don't have experience soldering electronics and small parts maybe you should not try this.
The usb cable will NOT work for sync/data - just charging.
I'm not responsible if you damage or destroy your phone/property and/or injury yourself or others.
Use this instructions at your own risk.
Parts that I used:
micro usb male connector (Digi-Key pn: 609-4051-ND)
619K ohm resistor (Digi-Key pn: RNF14FTD619KCT-ND)
6ft 3.5mm Stereo Plug/Plug M/M Cable (MonoPrice.com pid: 644)
1.5ft USB 2.0 A Male to Micro 5pin Male 28/28AWG Cable (MonoPrice.com pid: 5137)
I should have used a longer cable but that's what I had at home
This is the pin-out for the usb connector:
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Preparations:
1) Cut one of the aux cable connectors and expose the 3 wires:
Yellow = common ground
White = right channel
Red = left channel
The left/right channel may be inverted, test on your phone before you make the cable.
2) Cut the micro usb connector from the usb cable and expose the 4 wires:
Red = +5vcc
Black = ground
Green = not used
White = not used
Soldering:
Start with the audio cable:
Solder left channel wire to pin 2
Solder right channel wire to pin 3
Do NOT solder the ground wire yet
Now with the usb cable:
Solder red wire wire to pin 1
Do NOT solder the ground (black wire) yet
With the resistor:
Solder 1 resistor leg to pin 4
Solder the other resistor leg + audio ground (yellow wire) + usb ground (black wire) to pin 5
Almost done...
Test all the connections for short-circuit with a digital multimeter
Triple check for the right cable on the right place, you don't want to put that +5vcc on the wrong pin, it will fry your phone!
Just finish it with some epoxy glue to make sure the cables won't break where you soldered them and some shrink tube for a polished finish.
You must go to Settings > Dock Settings > Audio output mode and enable it to have the audio-out working.
I will post pictures next week when I will make a new cable with longer usb and better finish.
The cable I have now works fine, it's just ugly...
I hope this info will be useful for someone
Thanks to TheBeano for the info about the resistors
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Hello all!
Thank you to all the people who rated this thread and enjoyed the info
After building my first cable from two different cables and finishing it up with some epoxy putty I started searching for a better and easier way to build this cable.
While searching on some Chinese accessories website I've found an iPhone USB/aux cable that would make this build easier and nicer.
This is the USB/aux cable from DealExtreme.com (item #34654):
From eBay I got this micro-usb connector with a "housing" (link):
The resistor is the same from the original post:
With this parts in hand I started by taking the iPhone connector apart:
With the soldering iron I removed the connector and with an blade I removed the cable "terminator"(?) so I could expose more wire and use my own "terminator"(?):
Using a multimeter and my "pro-mod" I was able to verify the cables and plugs.
All cables matched so I started soldering:
After checking for short-circuits and fixing the mistake I always make (I invert left and right channels) it was time to squeeze everything inside that tiny housing:
It looks nice but now let's test it:
Pictures are worth 1,000 words but a video is priceless (don't mind the music):
Great write up!
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Nice write up. Very useful. Thanks
Awesome, gunna order some of these parts.
Exactly What I Wanted
This is EXACTLY what I was looking for!! Once I see a picture/video of it in action, I'll get the parts. Question is, are you going to make your own car dock for it? Or are you going to purchase a generic dock? I'd like something that I can slide the phone into easily (and have the phone be horizontal). I am curious about the possibility of getting Digital Audio out instead of Analog. You seem to be the expert, do you think that's possible? Thanks!
I'm 95% certain digital audio out is not possible, except maybe for MHL/HDMI audio output via the MHL adapter.
There just aren't any provisions for it.
Thanks guys for the replies!
I got some PM about selling the cable. Right now I can't do it as I don't have enough time to make a good and durable cable.
The cable I have is kinda put together with epoxy putty and some shrink tubes.
Today I tested the cable and it works fine on my car.
I just found some iPod/iPhone cable that I think can make this build be easier and faster, basically you will change the apple connector for the micro-usb and add the resistor. I still waiting for the parts to arrive to test this new idea.
As Entropy512 said digital audio isn't possible with this setup but I will look in to it in the future to see if it's possible to use the mhl adaptor just for the audio.
Tomorrow I will post the pictures and a small video from it working with my current cable.
Thanks once again for the replies!
This is awesome thanks!! If you can create a few of these I would definitely be in for buying one. I am hoping to replace my itouch in the car with the phone. I already have a nice dock thus just need a cable.
LGSilva said:
Thanks guys for the replies!
I got some PM about selling the cable. Right now I can't do it as I don't have enough time to make a good and durable cable.
The cable I have is kinda put together with epoxy putty and some shrink tubes.
Today I tested the cable and it works fine on my car.
I just found some iPod/iPhone cable that I think can make this build be easier and faster, basically you will change the apple connector for the micro-usb and add the resistor. I still waiting for the parts to arrive to test this new idea.
As Entropy512 said digital audio isn't possible with this setup but I will look in to it in the future to see if it's possible to use the mhl adaptor just for the audio.
Tomorrow I will post the pictures and a small video from it working with my current cable.
Thanks once again for the replies!
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So digital audio out is not possible (that's kinda what I figured). But what about getting a USB->Digital Audio Out? I realize the kernel would have to support a device like this. I'm very new to the Android scene (less than a week). But I'd think that it would be possible. I can't post links yet, but it was a $25 USB->SPDIF device on Amazon. The reason I'm asking is that I'd like a way to eliminate the "road noise" (alternator noise) from my music.
And how are you controlling your music in your car? Do you have a remote for the phone? Bluetooth? Or are you doing it the "old fashioned way". LoL! Thanks again for your efforts!
Jim
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So digital audio out is not possible (that's kinda what I figured). But what about getting a USB->Digital Audio Out? I realize the kernel would have to support a device like this. I'm very new to the Android scene (less than a week). But I'd think that it would be possible. I can't post links yet, but it was a $25 USB->SPDIF device on Amazon. The reason I'm asking is that I'd like a way to eliminate the "road noise" (alternator noise) from my music.
And how are you controlling your music in your car? Do you have a remote for the phone? Bluetooth? Or are you doing it the "old fashioned way". LoL! Thanks again for your efforts!
Jim
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You can use MHL->HDMI adapter then put in a HDMI->Digital audio converter to get the digital audio out without any modification to software. MonoPrice.com has both but I believe the later requires some external AC power.
I have an official Samsung car dock for my Captivate. After reading OP's post, I decided to mod that car dock. I stripe out the part that connects to Captivate USB port and contains microUSB socket for power and 3.5mm audio jack (it already has the required resisitor inside). Now all I need is some 5-wire microUSB male to female extension cable. This kind of cable is hard to come by but do exist.
I did some reading in the 'fun with resistors' thread, and while this mod looks to work, I'm worried about the lack of sufficient charging amperage. It seems that in order to do "high current charging" you need to short pins 4 and 5 on the micro USB plug. Well, those are in use by the audio output. This seems to be a _major_ design flaw in MHL. So basically, you'd have to turn off anything you don't need (WiFi primarily, maybe Bluetooth if you don't want integrated hands-free with your car's head-unit) in order to get an actual charge. So maybe this cable with a Tasker function to turn off those services and activate your Car Home app.
Please take what I say with a grain of salt. Again, I'm very new to Android and I'm probably wrong.
CNLiberal said:
I did some reading in the 'fun with resistors' thread, and while this mod looks to work, I'm worried about the lack of sufficient charging amperage. It seems that in order to do "high current charging" you need to short pins 4 and 5 on the micro USB plug. Well, those are in use by the audio output. This seems to be a _major_ design flaw in MHL. So basically, you'd have to turn off anything you don't need (WiFi primarily, maybe Bluetooth if you don't want integrated hands-free with your car's head-unit) in order to get an actual charge. So maybe this cable with a Tasker function to turn off those services and activate your Car Home app.
Please take what I say with a grain of salt. Again, I'm very new to Android and I'm probably wrong.
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The device assumes that a proper high-current supply is present when a dock or MHL ID resistor is detected.
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CNLiberal said:
So digital audio out is not possible (that's kinda what I figured). But what about getting a USB->Digital Audio Out? I realize the kernel would have to support a device like this. I'm very new to the Android scene (less than a week). But I'd think that it would be possible. I can't post links yet, but it was a $25 USB->SPDIF device on Amazon. The reason I'm asking is that I'd like a way to eliminate the "road noise" (alternator noise) from my music.
And how are you controlling your music in your car? Do you have a remote for the phone? Bluetooth? Or are you doing it the "old fashioned way". LoL! Thanks again for your efforts!
Jim
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In theory, I believe the device has USB Host/USB OTG support - but I know very little about enabling it. It MIGHT be possible to get USB sound cart to sort-of work - but getting the phone to route audio to the "new" interface would be extremely difficult.
I used to deal with Digikey decades ago .....
Are they selling "onesies" of parts now or do you have to buy multiples?
The items that I've listed you can buy just 1.
They have other items where the minimum order is 5000.
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Mouser is usually a bit better about minimum order quantity though - I think digikey improved over the years in that regard.
Usually Mouser has their quantity price breaks earlier.
Entropy512 said:
Mouser is usually a bit better about minimum order quantity though - I think digikey improved over the years in that regard.
Usually Mouser has their quantity price breaks earlier.
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Mouser sells singles.
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Mouser sells singles.
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I know that - that's why I've always preferred them. But I think digikey has improved so that they're closer to Mouser for small quantity orders now.
Going to try this later this week, should be awesome if it works!
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Going to try this later this week, should be awesome if it works!
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I can confirm this works.. just finished building it tonight and functions fine.
Have fun!
I just finished making this cable. It's a female iPod connector that splits to micro USB and 3.5 mm headphones plug. I was tired of everyone making just iPhone compatible stereos but never giving ever other phone a way of charging without a separate wall charger. If they have a iPod dock they could easily put USB on the device also. Anyway here are the pics of the first prototype I made. Works flawlessly and charges as A/C.
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Tutorial
How to make an iPod dock cable
The first thing I did was buy these 3 cables.
An iPod dock extension cable http://www.ebay.com/itm/30069026148...NX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_2757wt_698 ,
an 3.5mm stereo cable http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...d=10218&cs_id=1021802&p_id=644&seq=1&format=2 ,
and a micro usb cable http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=4868&seq=1&format=2 . I then cut the iPod dock cable in half. Set the female end to the side. I opened up the male end to verify the color of the wiring to which pin they were attached to. What you need is 5 wires from the iPod dock connector. You need is the wires for either pin 1 or 2( audio GND) , pin 3(Audio R) , pin 4 (Audio L) , pin 16(USB GND), and pin 23 (USB +5VDC).
Now that you know what colors you need from the male end of the iPod connector, strip back about 4 inches of the outside jacket on the female ends cable you set aside. What I did was twist the outside drain/ground mesh together then separate the 5 wires you need from the cable. I then took the remaining wires put them in a line and cut them on a diagonal starting at about an inch. This way each wire is shorter than the next. Now twist them back together and put a piece of heat shrink over them. Now you should have the outside drain/ground and the 5 other wires left. Now cut the other 2 cables however long you want them . I made the 3.5 mm cable about 8 inches longer because it has to reach the top of your phone and the micro USB goes only to the side. Now strip back about 4 inches of the outside jacket of the other 2 cables. Do the same think and twist the outside drain/ground together if the cable has it. Now you should have the outside Drain/Ground, red, and white wires for the 3.5mm stereo cable. You should also have the outside drain/ground, red, white, green, and black on your micro USB cable. I started with applying heat shrink over the drain/ground for the 3.5mm stereo cable. Now solder the newly heat shrunk ground from the 3.5mm stereo cable to the wire that was going to pin 1or 2 (audio gnd) on your iPod cable. Now solder the red wire from the stereo cable to the wire from pin 3 (audio R). Then solder the white wire from the stereo cable to the wire from pin 4 (audio L). Now grab the micro USB cable. Cut the wires for the green and white wires from the micro USB to about an inch and solder them together. This will all the phone to charge at full A/C not at USB. Then solder the red wire to the wire going to pin 23 (+5 VDC). Next solder the black wire to the wire from pin 16 (USB gnd). Last solder the drain/ground from the iPod cable to the drain/ground of the micro usb.
3.5mm Stereo cable-
Red- Pin 3 (audio R)
White- Pin 4 (audio L)
GND- Pin 1or 2 (audio GND)
Micro USB-
Red- Pin 23 (+5 VDC)
Black- Pin 16(USB GND)
White-Green(Solder together for A/C charging)
Drain/GND(USB)- Drain/GND(iPod)
I ended up cutting the wires to about 2 inches total length before soldering and applied heat shrink over all the solders then a larger heat shrink over the whole place where all the splices took place. I also staggered the splices to make that area as small as possible. I should have taken pictures but didn’t. If/when I make another one I will take pics.
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I would purchase!
I've seen people make these before they are pretty neat
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Is the rezound incapable of Line Out over usb?
Only thing I have ever been able to do over USB on any android phone is mass storage. So if you have any songs on your device you can sync through USB mass storage and use the controls to select your song on your device. But to do anything streaming, you can't do it through USB. Also if your using it as a mass storage device I believe it only charges at .5A. Doing it this way you can charge at 1A and still use all your music services including beats audio.
soooooo.... where can i buy one?
I haven't made anymore yet. If/when I do you will be first on my list. Maybe next week I could get to it. Kinda busy with work(50+ hours a week right now) and the kids baseball.
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thatsricci said:
soooooo.... where can i buy one?
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Google it ... Like I have said I have seen them being sold
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I made it because I found one for $30! I made it for cheaper than that. It took like 30mins to make.
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dpiddy14 said:
I just finished making this cable. It's a female iPod connector that splits to micro USB and 3.5 mm headphones plug. I was tired of everyone making just iPhone compatible stereos but never giving ever other phone a way of charging without a separate wall charger. If they have a iPod dock they could easily put USB on the device also. Anyway here are the pics of the first prototype I made. Works flawlessly and charges as A/C.
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I have one made by motorola but it doesn't work with my Rezound. Any advice?
mpalatsi said:
I have one made by motorola but it doesn't work with my Rezound. Any advice?
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What doesn't work about it? Maybe a couple pics.
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What doesn't work about it? Maybe a couple pics.
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It's actually for omap4 Motorola car docks. That cable won't even charge a moto phone if not docked.
However..
It charges my gnex but no audio cause Samsung phones are designed to activate dock mode by a resistor in the cable itself.. Gotta love our fragmented Android universe
Dude, this is awesome! I am totally going to make one of these.
Thanks for sharing the information!
I bought one of these..... http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Adapter-iPhone-30-Pin-DocksFemale/dp/B005HZJ2MK/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1348774751&sr=8-5&keywords=3.5mm+to+ipod+adapter
Keep in mind that it only plays and does not charge like the cable the OP made.
Does anyone know if this will let you change tracks with the dock device or car stereo?
chuckdizzle03 said:
Does anyone know if this will let you change tracks with the dock device or car stereo?
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It won't.