Hi I lost my G1 cable and I wanted to know if I could use a regular mini USB to update my G1 without having issues?
Yes, you can.
Make sure the miniusb cable you are using has a ferrite core/bead on it. Some folks with poorly shielded computer innards have experienced data corruption on cables without ferrites. If your miniusb cable doesn't have one, look around the house for a computer cable with a core that you can remove.
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You can remove those things? I thought they were attached to the wire. I've just been using random junky usb cables with no beads on 'em and I haven't had any problems. I just checked the cord that came with the G1 and that doesn't even have a bead on it.
yeah hes saying, some people, so more often than not you dont need one, its for people who like to be extra safe especially if they end up bricking the device from corrupted data.
one thing that i have heard is that adb will not work if you are using a regular cable, there are a few extra wires and connectors in the usb cable for the G1, it is also a different shape than that of a regular mini usb connector. but for daily use, or just moviing files you shouldn't have any problems
Err, I have several mini USB's, I usually randomly grab one when I work with my G1, I have never had a problem with using ABD or any other type of problem. Also, I'm 99% positive the stock USB cable is no different then any other cable.
Wisefire said:
Also, I'm 99% positive the stock USB cable is no different then any other cable.
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and i am 100% positive it is different from 99% of other mini USB cables. look at the input for the cable on your g1 and compare it to the mini USB port on anything else you have laying around your house and you will notice there is a difference
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and i am 100% positive it is different from 99% of other mini USB cables. look at the input for the cable on your g1 and compare it to the mini USB port on anything else you have laying around your house and you will notice there is a difference
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Yes, The input is strange, The HTC Shadow is the exact same way. Do realize, the stock USB's "Head", the metal pin, is not the perfect match for the slot on the Dream, it's a basic mini USB. Although, The included stock headphone/ear piece's connector, does in fact fit the input in the exact manor.
I think it's just the "head shape" that is different. I hvn't had any problems with other USBs.
Yes, currently I am using a Blackberry USB cable, and ADB and all functions work properly. In the past, I've used the original G1 cable, one for a Canon digital camera and one for an HTC Vogue, ADB works for all of them. Most of all, USB stands for Universal Serial Bus.. so I assume they are all the same.
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and i am 100% positive it is different from 99% of other mini USB cables. look at the input for the cable on your g1 and compare it to the mini USB port on anything else you have laying around your house and you will notice there is a difference
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It's an ExtUSB port, which is a HTC variant of the mini usb plug that has additional pins for audio. However the usb data lines are physically and electrically identical to standard usb, so for all intents and purposes unless you are using a special ExtUSB headset, it is plain mini usb. The supplied cable is a standard mini usb, so any other mini usb cable will work. Do heed my earlier warning to use a cable with a ferrite though.
I have about 30 different mini usb cables sitting around the house and i have probably used all of them once to or twice well doing playing with my HTC devices
Actually, that ferrite theory might explain things for me... I am experiencing some strange behavior when I use cables without the ferrite bead - the G1 will act as it's charging, but I don't get the "mount" option, i.e. it doesn't detect that it's actually connected to my computer. This happens both when directly connected to the computer USB port, and via a USB hub. I'm pretty sure that when I use a cable with the ferrite bead it also detects the computer and I'm able to data mount it.
Also, when using a cable without the bead, I have noticed that although the G1 says it's charging, it either doesn't or it charges really, really slowly, cause I could check by pressing power or menu once that it says charging - 76%, then turn off the display, then check again like half an hour later and it's still at 76%.
So I would actually say yes: the USB cable matters big time.
But of course, this is all based on my personal experience.
~Christopher
i plugged up an old desktop to retrieve some stuff the other day and realized that it didn't have usb2.0 and would not let the phone stay mounted. so just a caution if thats an issue.
grenness said:
Actually, that ferrite theory might explain things for me... I am experiencing some strange behavior when I use cables without the ferrite bead - the G1 will act as it's charging, but I don't get the "mount" option, i.e. it doesn't detect that it's actually connected to my computer. This happens both when directly connected to the computer USB port, and via a USB hub. I'm pretty sure that when I use a cable with the ferrite bead it also detects the computer and I'm able to data mount it.
Also, when using a cable without the bead, I have noticed that although the G1 says it's charging, it either doesn't or it charges really, really slowly, cause I could check by pressing power or menu once that it says charging - 76%, then turn off the display, then check again like half an hour later and it's still at 76%.
So I would actually say yes: the USB cable matters big time.
But of course, this is all based on my personal experience.
~Christopher
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strange, that's a similar thing that happens when not using enough voltage (the battery issue). I have a homemade battery powered usb charger, but it's only 4.5v as opposed to 5v. This causes strange issues with my g1 and my girlfriends. do you have lots of things drawing power (LED lights, lit up SATA cables, tons of usb stuff etc) because that can cause instability with your computer and sometimes undervolting usb things.
Ferrite beads more have to do with interference which doesnt seem like issue. Although i'd certainly use a cable with a ferrite bead when flashing or issuing commands via adb, flashboot etc.
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Hello,
one dealer said to me that You can use usb 2 mini port for transfer data and charger for HTC Touch pro 2
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I use that and no problem occurred.HTC cable have 2 side for connection and send or receive or power supply,but usb 2 mini have one side only.
can I use this cable without problem and damaging device?
Yes -- I've been doing that for years.
If the plug end physically fits, it will work fine. I've tried a couple mini USB cables that didn't fit, due to the way the HTC Ext-USB port is shaped straight on one side, like you mentioned.
CORRECTION: I think I just wasn't pushing the connector in hard enough. I have a couple mini-USB cables that came with various devices (a multi-card reader and a digital camera), and they take a little more effort to push the connector into the port on the phone. I didn't realize this at first, since I was afraid to damage the pins in the port. But they fit fine (just take a bit more effort than the OEM cable), and both transmit data and charge the phone properly.
I connect usb2 Cable and trasnfered data successfully.
but when I try to charge with usb 2 cable,device dont charge and only charge led be turn on.any body charge with usb cable?
Charging via USB is at a much lower rate. It can take 3-5 times longer to charge the phone that way.
I've only ever used the USB2 to transfer data/charge my phone since I had my Wing which was a good 3-4 years ago lol.
Hello everybody,
i have tried to use the mini usb with my TP2 and only works for charging.
when conect it to pc, it just start to charging, i have installed active sync but pc doest detect device,
Any advice?
parras said:
Hello everybody,
i have tried to use the mini usb with my TP2 and only works for charging.
when conect it to pc, it just start to charging, i have installed active sync but pc doest detect device,
Any advice?
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Go to Settings>System>Power, and make sure the option is unchecked: "When phone is on, do not charge when connected to PC".
Ok, tank you redpoint73, i have unchecked this option.
i just ordered the original data cable, which is supposed to have 11 pins,
I dont see how a standard mini usb with 4 pins can do the job of the 11 pins
Any USB-mini cable should work for data transfer and charging. There should have been one included with your phone, and it should have come with a wall charger as well.
There are retractable cables you can use. I purchased several from here:
http://www.itrimming.com/pcabusbx0007.html
They are a little delicate though. If you're rough with it, the end of the cable closest to the plug will fray. The site also has some great universal USB car chargers.
parras said:
Hello everybody,
i have tried to use the mini usb with my TP2 and only works for charging.
when conect it to pc, it just start to charging, i have installed active sync but pc doest detect device,
Any advice?
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If you had to install Active Sync I assume your on Windows XP. Make sure you have installed the htc drivers.
parras said:
Ok, tank you redpoint73, i have unchecked this option.
i just ordered the original data cable, which is supposed to have 11 pins,
I dont see how a standard mini usb with 4 pins can do the job of the 11 pins
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It doesn't do the same job, the extra pins are for composite video output, left, right and ground for audio, microphone, and possibly FM antenna. Four pins of the standard USB cable are all that is required for data transfer, even though it (USB) has five pins on the phone end.
You may have, as I did a failed USB interface. Check the phone on another computer to be sure it is not an issue with the computer and/or its software. All you have to do is verify the computer senses the phone, you don't need to sync them.
Two quick things...
I have one USB cable for a card reader that does not work for WMDC/disk mode, but charges the phone just fine. It works with the card reader OK, but no data on the phone basically. If you have problems with one cable, unless it is known to work on other WinMo/HTC devices, I'd definitely not always assume the phone is at fault until you've tried a different lead.
I've heard a lot of people say that charging via USB is a lot slower than via an AC mains charger. However, using SpoonCharge, the mA figures look the same for me on my phone - charging via mains charger never goes above "medium". This holds true with the original AC charger my UK (new, sealed and boxed) TP2 came with, as well as a TyTn II, Hurricane and Typhoon charger, and a non-HTC MP4 player charger - nothing goes above medium.
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Two quick things...
I have one USB cable for a card reader that does not work for WMDC/disk mode, but charges the phone just fine. It works with the card reader OK, but no data on the phone basically. If you have problems with one cable, unless it is known to work on other WinMo/HTC devices, I'd definitely not always assume the phone is at fault until you've tried a different lead.
I've heard a lot of people say that charging via USB is a lot slower than via an AC mains charger. However, using SpoonCharge, the mA figures look the same for me on my phone - charging via mains charger never goes above "medium". This holds true with the original AC charger my UK (new, sealed and boxed) TP2 came with, as well as a TyTn II, Hurricane and Typhoon charger, and a non-HTC MP4 player charger - nothing goes above medium.
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I have measured the current used to charge.
There are a few things.
1) Most PC USB ports are limited to 500ma., that is the standard. Try to pull more, and they usually do an auto shutdown or some form of limiting.
2) Any plain USB cable, or the factory HTC cable when on a PC port, leaves a charge rate pin floating. With that pin floating, the HTC device charges at a max of 500ma. Again, this is by design to not overload the PC port.
3) The factory charger, pulls one of the extra USB pins down. That tells the device that it can charge at up to 1000ma., twice as fast.
4) So, if you plug into an official charger versus a USB port, the charge rate is about double. BUT, you need to factor in the processor activity. If the PC USB is keeping the phone active, then the charge will take even longer.
I use my HTC on my motorcycle as a GPS. I have built a charger on the motorcycle and have used a switch in that 'fast charge' control line to lower the charge rate, or raise the charge rate. (long story, the phone and my regulator gets hot).
I have a pinout somewhere. A Google serach will find it.
The Expansys web site describes the Flyer as having a "standard micro-USB" connector.
The Flyer I have just unboxed and put on charge came with a micro-USB connector which was different even from the usual, half-squared off, HTC connector. This one has a cut-away at the top and (in a different axis) at the bottom.
I tried one of my older HTC USB connectors (Athena, Hero), but it resisted and I didn't want to force the issue, so the Flyer is charging on the connector it came with.
But is this for real? Have HTC changed the "standard" micro-USB for something propriety?
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The Expansys web site describes the Flyer as having a "standard micro-USB" connector.
The Flyer I have just unboxed and put on charge came with a micro-USB connector which was different even from the usual, half-squared off, HTC connector. This one has a cut-away at the top and (in a different axis) at the bottom.
I tried one of my older HTC USB connectors (Athena, Hero), but it resisted and I didn't want to force the issue, so the Flyer is charging on the connector it came with.
But is this for real? Have HTC changed the "standard" micro-USB for something propriety?
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Yes and no. It is a proprietary connector but microUSB cables still fit in the device. I've charged from a PC already and it works fine, although its SUPER SLOW.
/Linked images, hope they work./
A: Flyer "standard micro-USB", note the cut-away on the top.
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B: standard micro-USB cable, note the straight top.
Plug B will not fit socket A.
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B: standard micro-USB cable, note the straight top.
Plug B will not fit socket A.
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This is not a microUSB cable. It is a MiniUSB cable which is vastly different and does not fit in the flyer.
Thanks, but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usb_connectors.JPG
Not a one there has a cut-away.
Nice thing about standards... there are so many of them.
Also, tried Google/Images for "micro usb" and all the various mini and micro usb cables I have. Not one of them has this propitiatory shape.
Have you got a link to something authoritative?
PS: Cooks? What's wrong with cooks? Do you mean crooks?
That is why I said yes and no. It is a propriatary connector that also allows for connection with microUSB. If you are familar with HTC devices many of their winmo devices had miniUSB Ext connectors which were propriatary but allowed for a regular miniusb connector to connect to it. That was before the microUSB standard was made.
Flyer Port
Plugged into the PC
Connected to standard microUSB
Charging status
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Devany said:
Thanks, but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usb_connectors.JPG
Not a one there has a cut-away.
Nice thing about standards... there are so many of them.
Also, tried Google/Images for "micro usb" and all the various mini and micro usb cables I have. Not one of them has this propitiatory shape.
Have you got a link to something authoritative?
PS: Cooks? What's wrong with cooks? Do you mean crooks?
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The micro-usb connector is the far left connector in your Wikidpedia link, the one you're holding / trying is the 3rd connector from the left which is a mini-usb.
Here are some pics with a generic sony ericsson mini-usb.
Sorry for the bad pics from my phone... and sorry for the duplicate pics... someone beat me to the upload.
f' I get it now.
Better get me some of these...
http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/module.jsp?moduleId=cpc/548876.xml
Thanks
The port/connector is desined to stop you using the mains charger with other devices as it would "fry" them! This is why you can use a micoUSB connector with the Flyer.
Are you suggesting that if I used a micro to mini converter that I could fry the Flyer?
My issue is that I have several (proper, branded) HTC car chargers which have mini-usb connectors - which I used for the X7500/Athena.
A converter would mean I don't have to replace these chargers.
But the voltages would be the same, wouldn't they? USB current/voltages don't change depending on the cable... do they?
Hi
To buy a charger wouldn't cost much, but I use my gf blackberry charger on my dhd I thought it was battery that drew the charge.....
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The Flyer white mains adaptor is designed to stop you using it with another device. But you can use a standard micro usb with the Flyer port. I hope this is clear.
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Devany said:
Are you suggesting that if I used a micro to mini converter that I could fry the Flyer?
My issue is that I have several (proper, branded) HTC car chargers which have mini-usb connectors - which I used for the X7500/Athena.
A converter would mean I don't have to replace these chargers.
But the voltages would be the same, wouldn't they? USB current/voltages don't change depending on the cable... do they?
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You can use normal chargers on the Flyer, it'll just be slower. That's why their power adapter is different and much more potent for faster charging. And as Jah says, if you were to use the Flyer's charger with a phone it would most likely fry it as the phone isn't designed to handle those power levels (ergo the different plug, making it impossible to connect the flyer's adapter to another, incompatible, device).
The flyer has 12pin micro usb not 5pin to be used for hdmi output same like the in the htc incredible and htc sensation
Meh...I've tried three different micro-USB cables including an HTC variant from my Mozart, and although they sort of fit, none seem to go in far enough to charge or sync. Weird.
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Need to get this sorted ASAP.
The reason the Flyer has a 'Unique' micro-USB socket is that the charger is 1.5 AMPS. (And is a HDMI output)
This provides enough current for heavy use and charge at the same time.
Do not expect a standard micro-USB to charge your Flyer if you are using it, it will infact drain the battery!
A standard micro-USB cable will charge your Flyer if it is connected to a minimum 1Amp plug charger overnight and the Flyer is not in use.
Do not expect a Flyer to charge from a 500mA PCLaptop USB socket whilst you are using it!
Remember guys, this is much bigger than a mobile phone and even some of them would not correctly charge from a PC/Laptop USB.
Use your mains charger to charge it every night (or as much as possible) to keep it from going below 20%.
Do not expect it to charge from the sync cable (until we get 3rd party dual usb source cables as for some DVD writer drives).
THEN you will keep the life in your battery.
Soz for the bold font but wanted to get the message across.
twisticles said:
Meh...I've tried three different micro-USB cables including an HTC variant from my Mozart, and although they sort of fit, none seem to go in far enough to charge or sync. Weird.
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I've tried 3 or 4 different Micro-USB sync cables or chargers, and every one works. They plug in "upside-down" from how the plug goes into most Micro-USB devices that I am familiar with. Meaning, the spring-loaded prongs/teeth on the male plug should be facing down (if your Flyer is on a table, screen up), and you insert the male end in the lower "half" of the Flyer's port. Both sync and charge work.
A generic micro-usb will power and charge the Flyer. I use my laptop while traveling to accomplish this. When its charging, I'm usually not using it... I'm asleep.
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They plug in "upside-down" from how the plug goes into most Micro-USB devices that I am familiar with.
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ah...oops
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ah...oops
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Don't feel bad. I was making the same mistake, and don't know if I would have even figured it out, if I hadn't come on here and read about it. I didn't want to force it, or do anything that might damage the port, so I don't know if I would have thought to turn it upside-down on my own.
Just wondering if a typical cell charger can provide enough power to power these three things. (or if it will even work properly)
1 The Phone
2 A USB flash drive
3 HML adapter
What I want to do is connect power to the USB splitter male (I already have a wall plug to USB female adapter) then with the USB female ends I will connect a USB flash drive and then use a male USB to male micro-USB cable to power the MHL adapter. The phone goes to the other micro-USB end of the MHL adapter.
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I want this for two reasons. 1 So I can play media from a flash drive to a TV or monitor and 2 (if this will even work) use it to connect a USB to XLR cable so that I can record with a better quality microphone to my phone.
I realize that the phone being able to recognize and use the flash drive or microphone may be an issue but I can take a chance on that if nobody can confirm if it will or will not work.
BTW: if you have not already noticed, we are finally starting to get some reasonably priced MHL adapters on fleabay now. They are ranging from around 20-26 CAD (one in picture is 26)
I would like to know as well, as that sounds like a great alternative to carrying around DVD's and stuff, maybe even an externally powered harddrive, would need extfat or ntfs support though for large files.
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Linux reads NTFS hard drives and flash drives fine, so I am hoping that Android should also.
I was planning on getting the MHL adapter regardless anyway, and the other cables that I would need would only be like 10 bucks. So I am wanting to try it out since, like you say, opens up more options for portability that may replace other devices or at least take up less space.
I was mainly looking to see if I would hear a show stopper of why not to do this, like if this set up could damage something that is connected.
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Linux reads NTFS hard drives and flash drives fine, so I am hoping that Android should also.
I was planning on getting the MHL adapter regardless anyway, and the other cables that I would need would only be like 10 bucks. So I am wanting to try it out since, like you say, opens up more options for portability that may replace other devices or at least take up less space.
I was mainly looking to see if I would hear a show stopper of why not to do this, like if this set up could damage something that is connected.
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You will need a proper usb to go cable to connect the flash drive or hdd, i have connected a flash drive to my phone without any problems..
I would think you would need a custom kernels or ntfs-3G modules for the kernel you are using.
The big thing is if the phone can deal with being charged, output hdmi and connect to a HDD over the same usb port at the same time?
Maybe a powered hub?
Also wondering if there would be enough bandwidth on the bus to support that all.
The big thing that would be good for me is that I could buy a cheap self powered hdd, load it up with movies and stuff and watch it while at work where there's a lot of down time, and being able to charge and use tv out at the same time would mean I could watch the iplayer or something on the tv without having to worry about battery life!
Hey, connect a mouse and keyboard as well and your phone is basically a normal computer!
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Good idea. This powered hub is almost as cheap as the splitter cable and should take care of any power requirements.
As for the on-the-go cable, I have different angled micro male to usb female cables already so that I can help take stress off the jack when using it while charging. My USB flash drive does not power up with this cable. I just assumed it needed external power. What is different about the OTG cable, did they twist some wires or are mine just meant for charging if they are not working ? All the pins are present and the cable is thick, so no reason why they would not just connect everything internally.
Thanks for the replies so far.
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Good idea. This powered hub is almost as cheap as the splitter cable and should take care of any power requirements.
As for the on-the-go cable, I have different angled micro male to usb female cables already so that I can help take stress off the jack when using it while charging. My USB flash drive does not power up with this cable. I just assumed it needed external power. What is different about the OTG cable, did they twist some wires or are mine just meant for charging if they are not working ? All the pins are present and the cable is thick, so no reason why they would not just connect everything internally.
Thanks for the replies so far.
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In order for usb to go to work you need a special cable, its got a special pin that's grounded or floating or has a few different values depending, the cables are very cheap on eBay or there's guides on how to make them.
OTG won't work with generic cables im afraid.
I just want this idea to work myself :d
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Im sitting here with a SGS2 with a USB kb, mouse, and a flash drive connected to it.
SGS2> (usb to go cable) > Powered hub > Mouse + keyboard + flash drive.
To get random devices to work (not hubs, input devices) you will need to add the device ids, see this thread for more info, more info and some device/vendor ids and a huge list of almost every device/vendor id
Attached is a rules file with logitech and some other vendors, add and expand as needed!
Now I need to buy a micro USB > many micro USB's and a mhl cable!
The powered hub is a must or stuff just wont work due to the power draw.
Im looking at picture of the MHL adaptor, and they all have a USB port for passthough, so we can defo at the very least charge while outputting via it.
The big question now is if you can daisy chain and do MHL and OTG at the same time!
Well, unless on a lucky chance the USB port will work with a splitter, you cant do MHL and OTG at the same time. A real shame
Thanks for the updates and links veyka. It also looks like the OTG cables do not charge the phone with the jumpered pins, so I will have to make sure and mark the OTG cables when they get here.
I should have the rest of my cables arrive in about 2-3 weeks and will post an update of what will or will not work. Sounds like the OTG cable alone should work with the USB to XLR cable for a microphone, as long as I can find a way to get the phone to recognize it. Though it would be nice to charge at the same time as well which the OTG does not support.
Do you know off hand what the headphone jack will accept for inputs ? Will it take TRRS or TRS audio in as well ? I am just looking at more options for XLR to the phone for connectivity without needing a mixer. Then I will use a mixer as well to see how much of a difference the balanced XLR out will make.
K3VL4R said:
Thanks for the updates and links veyka. It also looks like the OTG cables do not charge the phone with the jumpered pins, so I will have to make sure and mark the OTG cables when they get here.
I should have the rest of my cables arrive in about 2-3 weeks and will post an update of what will or will not work. Sounds like the OTG cable alone should work with the USB to XLR cable for a microphone, as long as I can find a way to get the phone to recognize it. Though it would be nice to charge at the same time as well which the OTG does not support.
Do you know off hand what the headphone jack will accept for inputs ? Will it take TRRS or TRS audio in as well ? I am just looking at more options for XLR to the phone for connectivity without needing a mixer. Then I will use a mixer as well to see how much of a difference the balanced XLR out will make.
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In the end android should support anything linux does, you might need to build a kernel module (driver) or find someone that will for you.
You can get pretty much any input device going with the links above, but other stuff, I dont know im afraid
Hope lives eternal.
No clue im afraid
No problem bud. You have been more than helpful already. I already have a plethora of cables and devices for recording on laptop and PC with Windows and Linux. My Android uses for recording are so far purely just for practicing so that I have it down in case something of interest is created. So ease of use and portability is the main factor.
It also interested me just to be able to find different ways of recording since so much of it is done through software these says. The more knowledgeable I am with cables, signals and processing, the more options that I will have available to me. Though I still like to mic an amp then process afterwards.
This guide is based on [GUIDE] The $6 way to charging your EEE Pad on your computer, taken one step further.
DISCLAIMER! YOU DO THIS ON YOUR OWN RISK! IF YOU SCREW SOMETHING UP ITS NOT MY FAULT!
This guide will show you how you can charge your TF101 from the PC, while also have it connected through USB allowing you to sync etc just as you normally would.
Its possible this method also works on the TF201, but I dont know for sure.
Difficulty: Pisseasy
Parts and tools needed:
A female molex connector with the yellow(+12v) and black(ground) wire. Where you get it from doesnt matter. I stole mine from an old pci-e -> molex adapter.
Headphone extension cord (or any other 2-wire cable you can use as a connector)
USB extension cord (2.0 works fine, no need to get a 3.0)
Tape (or if youre not as lazy as me - a soldering iron)
Teeth (or a wire-stripper/cutter)
Carpet knife or similar
Multimeter, not necessary but recommended to check if the power is correct before hooking it up to your tablet.
Ok, lets get started!
Id like to apologize for the rather vague images. I took them after I had actually built the cable.
Grab the male end of the headphone extension cord and cut it, leaving a bit of cable (I left around 20cm)
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Next, grab the USB Extension cord.
I wish I had a better picture for this, but its not that tricky. What you want to do is remove the cover around the shielding, remove the shielding and exposing the 4 wires.
Once thats done, cut the red and black wires, leave the green and white.
Strip the red and black wires going towards the female end of the extension cord.
Connect the white and red wire from the male audio extension cord to the red and black wire on the usb extension cord. I suggest you attach red to red, white to black. It doesnt matter much though, but do remember how you connect them.
If done correctly you should end up with something similar as the picture.
Grab your favorite roll of tape and secure the wires and you should end up with this
Gratz, the first part is complete! Now to steal some power from the PC.
Grab the remaining part of the audio extension cord, which should contain the female connection.
Grab your molex connector (In the picture, I have already stolen one of the molex connectors)
Now, strip the yellow and black wire on the molex connector, and strip the red and white cable on the female audio cord.
Connect them the same way you did with the usb cable (if you followed my example, yellow goes to red, black goes to white).
Excuse my extremely dusty PC... Im ashamed :x
this might be a good part to route the molex-female audio cable inside the PC so it reaches outside.
Once thats done, simply hook the molex connector up to a free connector in your PC
And finally, grab your usb-male audio cable, connect the male audio with the female audio and plug the usb end into a free usb port.
Finally! Hook up your original TF101 usb cable to the female end of the USB cord and enjoy being able to charge your tablet while transfering files!
WARNING! Do NOT connect anything but the TF to this cable. 12v will fry any normal USB device.
Troubleshooting:
If your tablet does not react when you connect it, you have most likely gotten the polarities wrong. Simply switch the place of either red/black on the usb cable, or yellow/black on the molex connector (this is where a multimeter is handy).
There are many ways of doing this, I chose to do it like this because I had an audio extension cord lying around, and I wanted to be able to detach the cable from the PC.
Basically all you have to do is cut the red and black wire from the usb cable, and hook them up to the 12v rail on your PC instead of the 5v rail USB is running on.
How you chose to do this is, in the end, up to you.
Additionally, if you replace the audio jacks with some other more standard DC plug, you could use this cable to charge your TF using any DC adapter that provides 12-15V.
Once I get a USB Extension Kit for my TF, Im going to try to add a charging port to that as well. If I succeed in that, Ill post another guide covering that.
If you found this guide useful, hit 'thanks'
I'll try it when I'll have the time =) Nice tutorial!
It's just stupid I can't see the images..
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It's just stupid I can't see the images..
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Son of a.... Youre right... Ill fix it...
edit: Pictures should work now.
Heres a "benchmark", or whatever you want to call it, showing roughly how fast the tablet charges.
Note that the screen was turned on all the time, and I used it occasionally.
It does indeed charge slower than the real wall-charger, but thats not strange considering theres a 3V difference.
The wall charger charges an equal amount in roughly 1:30h, during the same usage.
Edit: I forgot to mention, if you use this method you can extend the charging cable easily by just hooking up an addition audio extension cable
Do beware of voltage drops though, the cables aint exactly thick. My cable is around 4m total, and I get a voltage drop of ~0.5v from the molex to the female usb plug.
I tried this and got to the extention cable section, I totally butchered my usb extension cable and gave up since I don't have another. Great guide though! I just can't cut and splice without completly failing and breaking things -_-
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I tried this and got to the extention cable section, I totally butchered my usb extension cable and gave up since I don't have another. Great guide though! I just can't cut and splice without completly failing and breaking things -_-
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Thats where
Goatshocker said:
Parts and tools needed:
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Teeth (or a wire-stripper/cutter)
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comes in ;D
Dont know how you managed to butcher the cable though , you just need to strip 2 wires (or 4, if you decide its easier to cut the white and green too), and wire them together.
As known, Android will limit the charging current as 500mA while a data transfer detected. Is there anyone know how to get rid of this limitation, so the charging speed could be boost even while the data transfer is active?
So, I'm starting an automation work, which need the Phone to be connected to the PC all the time. The problem faced here is that the phone will always out of juice after ~12hours operation.
I don't mind about the phone get too hot or the battery will have it's life shorten, I will think about that problem later.
I've tried to double the cable input like the one applied on External HDD Storage, with no positive result. Also, have tried to use USB2.0 and also USB3.0 port with the same result. The image below:
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Afaik, the limitation come from device itself, whether it's from this OS or the hardware itself. Since I've tried to plug the VGA Monitor with USB powered input to the PC, and it could draw current for more than 1A. So, actually, there's a possibility to draw more than 500mA from PC's USB port. Back to the main question, could we break the 500mA limit in Smartphone (Android) even the data transfer is active at that time?
Looking forward the feedback from you guys. And thanks for your attention
padiyes said:
As known, Android will limit the charging current as 500mA while a data transfer detected. Is there anyone know how to get rid of this limitation, so the charging speed could be boost even while the data transfer is active?
So, I'm starting an automation work, which need the Phone to be connected to the PC all the time. The problem faced here is that the phone will always out of juice after ~12hours operation.
I don't mind about the phone get too hot or the battery will have it's life shorten, I will think about that problem later.
I've tried to double the cable input like the one applied on External HDD Storage, with no positive result. Also, have tried to use USB2.0 and also USB3.0 port with the same result. The image below:
Afaik, the limitation come from device itself, whether it's from this OS or the hardware itself. Since I've tried to plug the VGA Monitor with USB powered input to the PC, and it could draw current for more than 1A. So, actually, there's a possibility to draw more than 500mA from PC's USB port. Back to the main question, could we break the 500mA limit in Smartphone (Android) even the data transfer is active at that time?
Looking forward the feedback from you guys. And thanks for your attention
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I've faced a similar issue where I needed the phone (Nexus 5) to be connected for adb but maintain a charge. The cable in your picture is not designed to do what you're looking for unfortunately. You might want to look into getting a powered USB hub (USB 3.0). I use an OTG USB squid to power my device and connect a keyboard, mouse and flash drive.
My motherboard has software I installed called USB Boost which allows my phone to draw over 500mA when I'm connected to a USB 3 port, but it's probably limited to certain Asus motherboards. I noticed certain cables worked better than others. I used ampere to figure out which one worked best for me. You should try accessing your BIOS and look around for any USB settings. Feel free to reply with the make/model and I can do some research.
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I've faced a similar issue where I needed the phone (Nexus 5) to be connected for adb but maintain a charge. The cable in your picture is not designed to do what you're looking for unfortunately. You might want to look into getting a powered USB hub (USB 3.0). I use an OTG USB squid to power my device and connect a keyboard, mouse and flash drive.
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So, in short, @btux81, have you successfully throw current more than 500mA via USB while connected to ADB using that OTG USB Squid?
The OTG is something like this, right?
Are the statement below true, regarding the configuration?
1. One of the squid's tentacle connected to a PC, that will maintain the ADB connection
2. Another tentacle connected to a wall charger, which provide current more than 500mA for faster charging
btux81 said:
My motherboard has software I installed called USB Boost which allows my phone to draw over 500mA when I'm connected to a USB 3 port, but it's probably limited to certain Asus motherboards. I noticed certain cables worked better than others. I used ampere to figure out which one worked best for me. You should try accessing your BIOS and look around for any USB settings. Feel free to reply with the make/model and I can do some research.
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So, do you means that USB port in the PC only able to give more than 500mA if the USB Boost was activated (from your exp, it's only in Asus motherboard)?
Fyi, my PC using Gigabyte motherboard, and it's able to draw more than even 1000mA when I connect Monitor LED AOC E1670Sw-USB Powered in my USB port. Whether I connect it in the USB 2 or USB 3 port, the current delivered can be more than 1A. So, I don't think that it's related to the PC itself, but must be around the Phone.
As an additional info, by using dual male USB cable mentioned before, I've connected one USB male to PC (hope for the data connection) and connect the another one to USB Charger 2A (hope for faster current input to the phone). But, only 500mA total delivered through the cable (around 250mA from each USB male).