[V speaking: This thread is for general GPS discussions. Please use this thread to report solid facts. Thanks!]
Today weve learned from the neighbours forum that GPS One is alive and very much kicking... Our Hermes seems to have the same Chipset and same Qualcomm 6275 chip, now the big question is - once our baby brother mastered its GPS, whataboutus (what about us..)..
Any thoughts..
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Saar
Very good question indeed, do you mean we could have a gps inside our hermes now?
This sounds interesting
This isn't new news, and so far there have been zero indications from HTC re: making GPS a live feature on the Hermes...
goestoeleven said:
This isn't new news, and so far there have been zero indications from HTC re: making GPS a live feature on the Hermes...
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Of course it ain't news.. it's just that at this exact moment I'm uploading the GPS enabled ROM on my Trinity... it is supossed to work in 10 mins.
And henceforce I'm calling all Hermes Gods here.. make it happen for our Hermeses as well... pleeeeeeaaaaaseeeee !!
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Post your result!
EUREKA
hknoener said:
Post your result!
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Guys IT WORKS... to all those unbelievers... I've upgraded the ROM in a chinch, installed IGO 2006 and with trembling hands activated the GPS:
1. Fix was almost immediate
2. Sat. discovery was beyond expectations - 7 Sats
3. Almanach saved (meaning next GPS off/on got me immediate fix)
4. GPS Accuracy (DOP) = 1.2
Now all unbelievers, eat your hats.
All remaining is to adapt DOPOD ROM to our Hermeses. Let's see now what we can do here.
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Saar
SaarAvigour said:
Guys IT WORKS... to all those unbelievers... I've upgraded the ROM in a chinch, installed IGO 2006 and with trembling hands activated the GPS:
1. Fix was almost immediate
2. Sat. discovery was beyond expectations - 7 Sats
3. Almanach saved (meaning next GPS off/on got me immediate fix)
4. GPS Accuracy (DOP) = 1.2
Now all unbelievers, eat your hats.
All remaining is to adapt DOPOD ROM to our Hermeses. Let's see now what we can do here.
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Saar
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wow that is some great news! but one question that comes to my head is why on earth would HTC block this feature if the device could do it? shouldnt it be other way arround where they could have used it to make tytn more attractive??? anyhow if the gps thing work my tytn will be perfect!
i||uSi0n^
SaarAvigour said:
All remaining is to adapt DOPOD ROM to our Hermeses. Let's see now what we can do here.
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Dopod ROM with GPS enabled from Trinity won't boot on Hermes. The GPS is enabled by the RADIO (see trinity radio rom versions end in .11). Both devices have similar radio, but AFAIK no one tried to flash a trinity radio on hermes.
See this thread for more information on the GPS in hermes devices:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279151
pof said:
Both devices have similar radio, but AFAIK no one tried to flash a trinity radio on hermes.
See this thread for more information on the GPS in hermes devices:
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Hi Pof, that's exactly what I'm saying, and I don't expect it to be a 1-2-3 thing either.. It's only that about a month ago I published an article investigating the GPS enigma on the Trinity. The investigation has led me to the conclusion that Trinity does have a GPS, but also to the fact that Trinity and Hermes share similar radio and same Qualcom chip with GPS One on board.
So earlier today I get a phone call from a friend telling me of the Dopod ROM for the Trinity enabling GPS. I couldn't wait anymore, fetched me a Trinity, dlded the ROM (while still available..) and in ~10 Mins., Voila, I'm holding in my hands the proof for my investigation and article.
Then I thout to myself..hmm.. next case, now let's prove that this can work on the Hermes as well (a side assumption in my article). If it can, it's gonna make the Hermes the real king of the hill... HSDPA, All-Band, Video-Call, Qwerty, 2MP Macro Cam., Fast CPU...now add a GPS and one has THE best yet PPCPE ever available.
I'll drink for that, .
Saar
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Almost too good to be true
I am all ears let's try this happen...
correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe we need buy in from operators too. They support gpsOne by providing the system that crunches raw fixes into positional information. In this case, a hermes would send raw data to and endpoint on (say Cingular's) network and services there would convert to fix & return.
I may be all wrong here but that was how I interpreted gpsOne.
So will that Rom work on the Hermes? I have the Cingular 8525 and i had an option to download a software for GPS from Cingular for a monthly fee but i just use my BT-338 & iGo.
Sleuth255 said:
correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe we need buy in from operators too. They support gpsOne by providing the system that crunches raw fixes into positional information. In this case, a hermes would send raw data to and endpoint on (say Cingular's) network and services there would convert to fix & return.
I may be all wrong here but that was how I interpreted gpsOne.
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well if its true what you say and that it is sure they will support trinity's gpsOne + given that tytn has exactly same gpsOne = shouldnt tytn be supported too automatically?
i||uSi0n^
Sleuth255 said:
correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe we need buy in from operators too. They support gpsOne by providing the system that crunches raw fixes into positional information. In this case, a hermes would send raw data to and endpoint on (say Cingular's) network and services there would convert to fix & return.
I may be all wrong here but that was how I interpreted gpsOne.
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From what i've understood that's not really the case. gpsOne can function as a normal standalone gps device, with the added feature that it can rely on assistance from the cellular network if it supports it. This results in a quicker fix and better accuracy. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS)
But standalone GPS should be possible!
The only question that remains is:
Is the GPS hardware of the hermes connected in a functional way?
The chips are there, but is there an antenna? And does GPS need a separate antenna? I can't see a lot of differences on internal photo's of Trinity and Hermes.
If all radios use the same antenna and if it's connected to the Qualcomm RFR6250 chip, the trinity radio rom just might enable GPS on Hermes. I certainly hope so.
And where is the antenna in the trinity?
I think we can compare the pictures of hermes and trinity that are in the FTP. If you see they are very similar.
I bet hermes has a gps, but htc didn't advertise maybe because battery problems, software problems or even hardware problems.
But first we need to find where is the antenna in trinity and then,see if we have a similar thing in hermes.
ok, if anyone has the balls to flash a trinity radio on hermes PM me... but this will most likely kill the device, I don't want to try with my hermes
@ionide: tks for the clarification! I just wasn't sure given what I was reading.
@pof: mine aren't big enough... too many unknowns.
We ultimately need a (goldcard?) solution that is guaranteed to bring back a hermes from brickdom...
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@ionide: tks for the clarification! I just wasn't sure given what I was reading.
@pof: mine aren't big enough... too many unknowns.
We ultimately need a (goldcard?) solution that is guaranteed to bring back a hermes from brickdom...
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or ask someone at HTC very nicely for the relevant pointers then let the community do the rest
Off-topic: What is this goldcard thing i keep reading about?
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Hi ...
I've been tinkering around with upgrading the radio stack on my JasJam ... i notice the latest (1.35.00.11) is said to have GPS Enabled ...
What are they talking about ? ... Navigational GPS ? ... and is it a hardware thing included or just a compatibility thing with GPS Hardware ?
Thanks
- Phixx
: Maybe a bit more time reading and less time playing and you'd have discovered this sticky
Sticky: RESOURCES: Upgrading & Flashing / Unlocking / Custom ROM Cooking / GPS
It should enlighten you
No, no and no.
Please read the GPS thread. GPS will never be fuctional with your JasJam unless you buy a bluetooth receiver, but the 1.35 radio stack works fine without it.
.VIBE said:
No, no and no.
Please read the GPS thread. GPS will never be fuctional with your JasJam unless you buy a bluetooth receiver, but the 1.35 radio stack works fine without it.
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you mean tomtom navigator is already working on hermes. the chipset inside the hermes is already activated and working fine with the latest radio rom?
No, i mean the the GPS chip in the hermes will NEVER work. but you can use Radio ROM 1.35 regardless. the GPS part just will never initialise. Buy a bluetooth GPS.
.VIBE said:
No, i mean the the GPS chip in the hermes will NEVER work. but you can use Radio ROM 1.35 regardless. the GPS part just will never initialise. Buy a bluetooth GPS.
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great, but then what is "gps enabled" for ?
I've read the related thread but I really couldn't understand.
somewhere it says that the gps chip is working but lack of antenna is a problem.
now you say it will never work ?
mrmrmrmr said:
great, but then what is "gps enabled" for ?
I've read the related thread but I really couldn't understand.
somewhere it says that the gps chip is working but lack of antenna is a problem.
now you say it will never work ?
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I think .VIBE means it will never work in a stock Hermes - if u want to open your phone, fit a new antenna and then wait for developments then it MIGHT work in the future - but no guarantees
I'll go change the Wiki....
My Appologies ...
I am sorry if i came across so niave ... but i have read so many forum threads ... and didn't notice that ...
I do try looking quite hard before i go posting ... which is why i've only posted once
- Phixx
I did some investigation and made GPS work to get the satellite Fix.But the Comm Port is very much differrent and now need to b checked further so that the other apps such as Tom Tom, etc can use the port.To my Surprise the Protocol is Qualcomm and Comm Port is SMD 7.Here are the pics attached.
ALso some pics of Wi Fi.
I hope someone here can make it work..
Excellent
How did you manage to get GPS to get a fix on this?
thanks
HI Hdubli!
VERY VERY excellent!
...so let me understand: Are you trying to switch on the GPS system inside the Dual?
How can i see the same pics of your?
Thk
hdubli said:
I did some investigation and made GPS work to get the satellite Fix.But the Comm Port is very much differrent and now need to b checked further so that the other apps such as Tom Tom, etc can use the port.To my Surprise the Protocol is Qualcomm and Comm Port is SMD 7.Here are the pics attached.
ALso some pics of Wi Fi.
I hope someone here can make it work..
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...you know u become the master of touch when getting this to work...Best luck and keep us informed...
Thank you for your kind investigation
Oh baby!! GPS, wifi and unlock would be the best combination ever
Let us know about your progress at the GPS area...
Good work!
Regards,
LoGiKZ
I used HTC GPS tool and some gps related DLLs.I will post the files and procedure once I get the GPS apps to use that port.
Perfect Hdubli....
You are right about GPS... I've already seen a device with GPS turned ON in Dual....as i wrote in my last post.
Good Luck and keep us in contact!
Bye
Typical, I ordered my HTC Touch on Friday (Arrived today), Then someone posts something like this.
Well thanks to good 'ol Orange My HTC Touch Dual will be here wednesday
I just hope now that this can be acheived, as I didn't really want to loose Wi-Fi, but having GPS builtin will be worth it.
And if I can help by dumping files from either device I'll gladly do it.
the chipset is definetly supporting GPS, but without a build-in antenna, I believe you won't have a good signal
PseudoReal said:
the chipset is definetly supporting GPS, but without a build-in antenna, I believe you won't have a good signal
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Yeah..thats what i thought....hopefully theres an antenna in there.
So hdubli...have you actually managed to get satellite lock?
PseudoReal how can you say it?
Do you think that there is not a built-in antenna in this device?
Anyway... we all are interested in this new stuff!
come on guys... i now you can find the way to un-lock them!!
J273 said:
So hdubli...have you actually managed to get satellite lock?
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He says right in the very first post that he managed to get a lock using the internal HTC app:
hdubli said:
I did some investigation and made GPS work to get the satellite Fix.
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hdubli, keep up the great work!
You will be a hero to many people on this board if you can get GPS working with TomTom, etc
tenticle56 said:
You will be a hero to many people on this board if you can get GPS working with TomTom, etc
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Oh yes!! He will be a hero for sure
By the way, i know that this isn't the right thread, but anyone here knows how can i SIM unlock my dual? and by the way, is there any WWE rom around the corner?
Thanks in advance,
LoGiKZ
IceHack said:
PseudoReal how can you say it?
Do you think that there is not a built-in antenna in this device?
Anyway... we all are interested in this new stuff!
come on guys... i now you can find the way to un-lock them!!
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There is no built-in antenna because of space limitations. I have heard this from a person working for a company selling the DUAL.
Funny how people think.
The qualcomm chip can undoubtedly handle the wifi & the gps.
But the chipset only won't do much good without an *antenna*, for wifi or gps.
You know, the thing that actually gets the signal, just like the one you need to have to watch TV.
An antenna costs money. There is absolutely no way HTC would build a phone with antennas for gps & wifi, without putting support for it in it just for licensing reasons.
tenticle56 said:
He says right in the very first post that he managed to get a lock using the internal HTC app:
hdubli, keep up the great work!
You will be a hero to many people on this board if you can get GPS working with TomTom, etc
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Oh yeah...sorry missed that.
zeflash said:
Funny how people think.
The qualcomm chip can undoubtedly handle the wifi & the gps.
But the chipset only won't do much good without an *antenna*, for wifi or gps.
You know, the thing that actually gets the signal, just like the one you need to have to watch TV.
An antenna costs money. There is absolutely no way HTC would build a phone with antennas for gps & wifi, without putting support for it in it just for licensing reasons.
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fully agree!
Hasn't IceHack mentioned though that he's seen a dual with Wifi and GPS working with tomtom....which must mean it has the antenna.
Also wasn't it the same with the p3600 at release the GPS didnt work and it wasn't in the specs but later rom updates unlocked the GPS......... and the same with the s730 smartphone,not in the actual specs but present in the hardware.
So im hoping this is the case with the Dual ....all the hardware's there including antenna just needs unlocking with future rom updates or hacks.
Hopefully thats the case anyway..gps and wifi in the dual would be perfect and a great replacment for my kaiser.
keep up the good work.
Yes guys, as I told you I saw a Dual with this functions active!
i'm sure that was not a MicroSd - Wifi or and GPS BT near to the device!
As happened with my P3300 I saw excatly the same ways of connects....
Now, I really don't know how to do that... even if I don't think that HTC's has decided to unmount the antenna but leaving these settings in it!
Don't you think it doesn't make so much sense?!
I'm starting this thread to research the hidden possibilities in the HTC Touch Dual (nike). Alot of questions have been asked about wifi capabilities in the dual and how they may be there just locked by the manufacturer. I hope this thread will help us answer wether further capability is unlockable via roms, cabs, drivers, or registry changes.
In an article about the upcoming WM6.1 I found these interesting finds.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/?p=707
"Qualcomm see the decreasing cost of the smartphone spurring growth in adoption of these devices. Steve talked about the Qualcomm/Microsoft collaboration effort and the MSM 7xxx series of chipsets we see in today’s latest and greatest devices. These chipsets include GPS, media, applications processors and more in a single, low battery consumption configuration. There are several variants of their chips in mobile devices today with some having everything inside and some having limitations desired by the manufacturer or carrier for various reasons (cost, size of the device, targeted market, etc)."
The HTC Touch Cruise (polaris) has GPS & Wifi with the Qualcomm® MSM 7200, 400MHz processor - The same processor the HTC Touch Dual (nike) has. There would be no reason to use additional hardware in the Polaris if the processor provides this capability.
already posted at other thread that when someone installs the various cabs that people are trying, when we go to wlan settings mac adress doesn't appear.
Usualy appears even when wifi is off.
Regarding gps i tried using google maps to see if detects something but the only com port that kinda works is com 7 but it turns bluetooth on, so it must be a bluetooth port...
Here you have a link for the japanese version that will be available in january.
NO GPS, but has WIFI and FM RADIO.
wouldn't mind having fm radio on my nike!!!!
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=847
madds said:
Here you have a link for the japanese version that will be available in january.
NO GPS, but has WIFI and FM RADIO.http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=847
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There's neither WiFi nor FM radio in the japanese version. PDAdb.net is just wrong (as many times before).
http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/business_model/ht1100/
hmmm thank's for the reply...
our bad....
<sigh> pearl white....
And what are they talking about FM? Someone speaking Japanese?
if you tranlate the page you can see the word FM appearing...
http://translate.google.com/transla...ss_model/ht1100/&langpair=ja|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8
IT HAS FM RADIO
Chainfire:
Just wondering if you could post a RegDump (possibly directory/file listing) of your Kaiser?
I think we are still missing some registry entires.
One such entrie:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\CommManager\WLAN]
"DeviceName"="{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\TNETW12511"
If I know how to extract files from Rom's I'd probably stand a better chance at all this.
Wifi -> theres already a lot of discussion on another thread
this thread has been dealing with wifi hidden capacities (or not)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=348912
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if you tranlate the page you can see the word FM appearing...
http://translate.google.com/transla...ss_model/ht1100/&langpair=ja|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8
IT HAS FM RADIO
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It does indeed seem to have an FM radio. It doesn't change much, though (hardware-wise at least, as you would have to use the headset as an antenna).
My point is, don't trust blindly on PDAdb.net. You can find many errors if look around in there (though most of it seems to be right).
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Chainfire:
Just wondering if you could post a RegDump (possibly directory/file listing) of your Kaiser?
I think we are still missing some registry entires.
One such entrie:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\CommManager\WLAN]
"DeviceName"="{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\TNETW12511"
If I know how to extract files from Rom's I'd probably stand a better chance at all this.
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Heh you are right, I did miss that one. Can't make a complete listing right now but I can send you a comparison between the two devices I made yesterday.. In these files 'M' stands for missing and 'D' stands for different... If you send me back two files with only the lines of the files and registry entries you want I can make it into a patch by pressing a button...
I'll try sending you a full listing and dump (instead of the compare files from yesterday) later today.
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I'll try sending you a full listing and dump (instead of the compare files from yesterday) later today.
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Hi, thanks for that, it would seem that there are quite a few registry keys missing, I've only searched for GPS keys so far, the main ones needed for interfacing with the GPS driver seem to be missing.
But even after going though and making my own registry file, GPS still does not work, nothing appears on com 4.
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Hi, thanks for that, it would seem that there are quite a few registry keys missing, I've only searched for GPS keys so far, the main ones needed for interfacing with the GPS driver seem to be missing.
But even after going though and making my own registry file, GPS still does not work, nothing appears on com 4.
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Have you tried COM7 ?
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Have you tried COM7 ?
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yep think its comm 7 on the dual
I think registry keys and DLLs won't help in this case. The MSM7200 GPS function should be enabled by a low level hardware driver that is probably loaded after reset before the OS comes on. Then the OS either sees the GPS port or not. An expert's help is thus needed in this case.
As for WIFI, someone mentioned the lack of MAC address for the WIFI. Again - this is a HW issue as the MAC address is coded in ROM (unerasable part of the FLASH) just like IMEI. And if it is not there to begin with... hmmm...
But we can certainly look for one if we have access to the ROM code - it is a 6-digit number that should begin with 00h 18h 41h. If we correlate a few devices that have this string in the same location than maybe there is something to it (WiFi included).
I was trying GPS test, it scanned all com ports, it did halt on Com7, but now it just skips it.
I think a hard reset and start again is in order.
Klutsh said:
I was trying GPS test, it scanned all com ports, it did halt on Com7, but now it just skips it.
I think a hard reset and start again is in order.
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Cant remember now as ive had to return mine as im replacing it with a 20key model..but isn't there 2 comm7's
ones called comm7 and the others GDP7...or somthing like that....cant remember exactly now.
Please note...
Hi developers.
Please note the following post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1733688#post1733688
I am not much of a mobile/lowlevel coder, but I would be happy to help in other ways.
brgds
- Jesper
jcostanza4 said:
I'm starting this thread to research the hidden possibilities in the HTC Touch Dual (nike). Alot of questions have been asked about wifi capabilities in the dual and how they may be there just locked by the manufacturer. I hope this thread will help us answer wether further capability is unlockable via roms, cabs, drivers, or registry changes.
In an article about the upcoming WM6.1 I found these interesting finds.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/?p=707
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That web page also indicates that GSM850 is supported. For a USA user, that would be the most important thing of all. There has been some speculation that the phone can support GSM850 now. Perhpas the Japanese ROM will turn it on.
I have an htc s640 (iris 100) has the exact same specs as the HTC Touch and my wifi is enabled. i know it has GPS but its disabled. if you need anything from my registry id be happy to help. only difference between these phones that i can tell is the touch screen. rest of the specs seem to be the same.
Juggalo_X said:
I have an htc s640 (iris 100) has the exact same specs as the HTC Touch and my wifi is enabled. i know it has GPS but its disabled. if you need anything from my registry id be happy to help. only difference between these phones that i can tell is the touch screen. rest of the specs seem to be the same.
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That phone has a Qualcomm MSM7500 chip, the Dual has a Qualcomm MSM7200 chip.
I'm a newbie here and considering the purchase of a used x7500 with WM6.0. The current owner has a problem with the bluetooth not functioning. I'm wondering if this might be a common problem with 6.0 and if the new cooked 6.1 (4 – if that’s the latest rom version) might solve such an issue? Also, would you mind directing me to the page that has the most popular /cleanest 6.1 rom? I’m tearing my hair out trying to figure out which is the safest one to use.
Kind regards,
Peter (Bamse1)
no need for 2 threads mate
Okay, but I didn't intend this as the same thread as the other one (see "Cleanest/Most Popular 6.1 rom as of 2DEC08??"). I just carelessly pasted some of the same intro text, but there is a difference. My focus on this thread concerns the BT issue. I will take the liberty to paste a private message reply quote from Brau0303 which helps answer the original question:
... As for the BT issue this could be a junk rom, a bad radio version (software & fixable) a hardware failure or something the current owner simply screwed up because they did not follow instructions and may or may not be fixable.
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Bottom-line: Apparently no clear connection between faulty BT and a bad ROM. In the meantime, the HTC service vendor Anovo Nordic AB in Sweden has agreed to fix it free of charge as long as there is not visible damage (there is not) and it is under the 2-year HTC warranty (which it is). It is not clear what their views are on cooked ROMs, but probably not favorable. Fortunately it has not been flashed and has the stock HTC WM 6.0 - which is good news in this case.
Let me add a reply by Lakeman too:
I personally have never had a bluetooth problem and it is not a common problem... I would hope flashing another rom would fix your bluetooth problem, but some of these phones are getting old (18 mths) so there is the possibility of a hardware issue sometimes it would pay to reflash the radio as they can get corrupted as well just make sure you kmow which spl you have and flash the right one
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I had a lot of bluetooth problems with the stock WM 6 rom. Most of these problems are gone with Michy v5 rom. But my brand new S740 is better still.
Thanks ralf_pp, but this thread is under the Athena X7500 advantage not the Rose S740, unless you're suggesting that Michy v5 also works with the X7500?? Do you mind clarifying?
bamse1 said:
Thanks ralf_pp, but this thread is under the Athena X7500 advantage not the Rose S740, unless you're suggesting that Michy v5 also works with the X7500?? Do you mind clarifying?
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I think he was talking about Michy's 5.0 or 5.1 ROM, which are two ROMs for Athena. And then he was probably bragging that his Rose has better bluetooth quality than Athena.
not sure what is on 7500 or 6.0 rom
but on factory original 7510 with 6.1 bluetooth works perfectl for stereo music and phone calls automatically.
it auto plays back, and cuts off as necessary to handle both.
remote control keys (AD2P) works perfectly.
voice dialing command key
phone feature key (press hold to dial last number)
press to mute, etc, etc....
Hello everybody.
I can see on several threads on several forums that some of us encounter problems with the GPS, while other do not ... I'm in the first category : I never saw my HERO getting its fix in 10 seconds, its GPS is very very long to get a fix (when it gets it). Changing the Radio ROM does not change anything, etc.
So my question is the following :
Would it be possible that some series of HERO utilize GPS hardware which does not work properly, while other series utilize another hardware ?
How would it be possible to determine which GPS hardware is actually in my device ?
Waiting for your answers and help.
Best regards.
I have TELUS HTC hero.and GPS never works. I even tried rooting phone. and tried a lot of of other ROMs. but it never works. I think i my phone has hardware problem. Does anybody know where this piece of hardware resides in HTC hero
I had a working A-GPS functionality for a long time... untill I ran out of internal storage capacity and suddenly I didn't have the 10 second GPS fix anymore... I didn't even get any email notification anymore.. so I decided it was time for a hardware reset... after that the GPS worked flawless and even the email notification works again...
Unfortunatly I can't test my theories unless I install LOTS and LOTS of apps from the market... :-(
AFAIK the Hero does not have AGPS. Mine certainly does not need it - I get a fix within 10 seconds or so compared with often waiting for 5 or 10 minutes on my previous Win Mobile phone that had AGPS.
I understand that the GPS can be made to be always on in the background with the Hero - but you need to turn that function on. Have you tried home>menu>settings>location and make sure the Enable GPS satellites box is ticked?
I just recieved my Telus Hero, and I saw that it defaulted to AGPS initially when I went to Google Maps, and in the device's settings, you can activate its on-board gps as well. I'd suggest toggling back and forth, and hopefully you can get a faster fix, I know AGPS will help with getting ephemeris data and thus allow faster lock-ons when you use a gps application.
I hope this helps!
I am not sure it defaults to A-GPS. If you have the "enable GPS satellite" box ticked (see my previous post) then it defaults to using GPS as the method to plot your position rather than using the mobile phone signal, but that is not the same as A-GPS.
A-GPS is (AFAIK) a Win Mobile programme that automatically looked up the ephemiris data (using the phone's data connection) and updated it in your GPS at regular intervals (mine used to do it once a week). This was useful if you only used a programme that required the use of the GPS occasionally, and so were not picking up the updated info from the satellites themselves.
However AFIAK A-GPS is not included in the Hero, at least not the GSM version. It is certainly not mentioned in the specs or the manual, and, unlike my previous WM6 phone, I have never had a pop-up reminder that it is about to collect the data.
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I am not sure it defaults to A-GPS. If you have the "enable GPS satellite" box ticked (see my previous post) then it defaults to using GPS as the method to plot your position rather than using the mobile phone signal, but that is not the same as A-GPS.
A-GPS is (AFAIK) a Win Mobile programme that automatically looked up the ephemiris data (using the phone's data connection) and updated it in your GPS at regular intervals (mine used to do it once a week). This was useful if you only used a programme that required the use of the GPS occasionally, and so were not picking up the updated info from the satellites themselves.
However AFIAK A-GPS is not included in the Hero, at least not the GSM version. It is certainly not mentioned in the specs or the manual, and, unlike my previous WM6 phone, I have never had a pop-up reminder that it is about to collect the data.
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sorry to tell you this, but you are totally wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGPS
and the hero has a-gps, when i fire up my google maps it knows my position with an error of about 400 to 2000 metres (usually the position is pretty good, for only network-based location), when i fire up the gps it knows its exact position within a few seconds (when i am outside of buildings of course)
I admit that I am partly, but not totally, wrong.
Again AFAIK the GSM Hero available in the UK (where I am) does not use the phone data connection to collect orbital or almanac data from an assistance server so as to allow quicker satellite lock on, which is what I had always understood A-GPS to be, and which is part of the definition of A-GPS in Wikipedia. Again, if I am wrong on that I apologise in advance.
It does (as I had previously said) use the phone signal and the position of the masts to plot an approximate position for you when you do not have GPS (indoors for example) or when you have switched GPS off. That info can only be used by some programmes, such as Google Maps, but cannot be used by all sat nav programmes. That was not what I understood A-GPS to mean but I now stand humbly corrected.
In my defence I would suggest (as you should always do when looking at Wikipedia) that you check the history and discussion tabs. You will see that my idea as to what A-GPS is used to be close to correct, but the term has changed over time. Ah well ............ such is the problem of getting old(er)!
peterc10 said:
I am not sure it defaults to A-GPS. If you have the "enable GPS satellite" box ticked (see my previous post) then it defaults to using GPS as the method to plot your position rather than using the mobile phone signal, but that is not the same as A-GPS.
A-GPS is (AFAIK) a Win Mobile programme that automatically looked up the ephemiris data (using the phone's data connection) and updated it in your GPS at regular intervals (mine used to do it once a week). This was useful if you only used a programme that required the use of the GPS occasionally, and so were not picking up the updated info from the satellites themselves.
However AFIAK A-GPS is not included in the Hero, at least not the GSM version. It is certainly not mentioned in the specs or the manual, and, unlike my previous WM6 phone, I have never had a pop-up reminder that it is about to collect the data.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGPS please revise your knowledge...
The HTC Hero (and every other modern smartphone) is using A-GPS... go read the Wikipedia article...
peterc10 said:
I admit that I am partly, but not totally, wrong.
Again AFAIK the GSM Hero available in the UK (where I am) does not use the phone data connection to collect orbital or almanac data from an assistance server so as to allow quicker satellite lock on, which is what I had always understood A-GPS to be, and which is part of the definition of A-GPS in Wikipedia. Again, if I am wrong on that I apologise in advance.
It does (as I had previously said) use the phone signal and the position of the masts to plot an approximate position for you when you do not have GPS (indoors for example) or when you have switched GPS off. That info can only be used by some programmes, such as Google Maps, but cannot be used by all sat nav programmes. That was not what I understood A-GPS to mean but I now stand humbly corrected.
In my defence I would suggest (as you should always do when looking at Wikipedia) that you check the history and discussion tabs. You will see that my idea as to what A-GPS is used to be close to correct, but the term has changed over time. Ah well ............ such is the problem of getting old(er)!
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ok, i am sorry, also i never meant to flame at you. in fact this seems to be a very interesting discussion.
i have no idea what the hero does exactly, especially not the uk hero... but it was my understanding that it uses a-gps, as says this list. also i have no idea how much of the criteria from the wiki article must/should be met to say it uses a-gps. i guess in the end everybody has to decide for him or herself...
what is sure is that the hero (at least here in germany) uses at least the network information to determine the position. if you know how to wipe everything from the gps (almanach etc) then i would like to try how long it takes to get a fix. if that is an argument in this discussion at all, i guess this needs some reading in advance to get proper results...
Thiesen said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGPS please revise your knowledge...
The HTC Hero (and every other modern smartphone) is using A-GPS... go read the Wikipedia article...
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Hmmmm ..... if it is then HTC do not know about it!
Since reading and taking part in this thread I have become totally confused. I therefore decided to clear up this confusion with HTC. I asked their support team a simple question, which was this "Does my Hero come with A-GPS please?" I included in the question the serial number of my phone.
This is their reply:
"Its comes with GPS but you need to buy a software. Unfortunately we are unable to help with your query as we don not support third party applications. Please refer to the software vendor for further assistance. As far as we know this application may not be compatible. We hope that you will find further assistance with the software developer. Please also note that you can use Googlemaps, which is an included navigational software application."
So HTC themselves don't think the Hero comes with A-GPS! And I certainly haven't installed A-GPS
Now I am just more confused. Or (shock horror) could it be that Wikipedia is wrong!! Or that HTC don't know what they instal on their own phones
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Hmmmm ..... if it is then HTC do not know about it!
Since reading and taking part in this thread I have become totally confused. I therefore decided to clear up this confusion with HTC. I asked their support team a simple question, which was this "Does my Hero come with A-GPS please?" I included in the question the serial number of my phone.
This is their reply:
"Its comes with GPS but you need to buy a software. Unfortunately we are unable to help with your query as we don not support third party applications. Please refer to the software vendor for further assistance. As far as we know this application may not be compatible. We hope that you will find further assistance with the software developer. Please also note that you can use Googlemaps, which is an included navigational software application."
So HTC themselves don't think the Hero comes with A-GPS! And I certainly haven't installed A-GPS
Now I am just more confused. Or (shock horror) could it be that Wikipedia is wrong!! Or that HTC don't know what they instal on their own phones
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for me that sounds like you had a dumb supporter answering your question, who doesn't know what a-gps is (or that it exists), and when hearing "gps" he thinks about the navigation in his dads car. so he thinks "oompaloompa, dschee-pee-ass are there, but no funny pictures. need to buy pictures ompfompf!" by pictures he means cards for navigation software, since this is all one big, dirty chunk of sticky green slime in his head...
i understand it that the gps receiver itself has the a-gps feature (or not), but it is not controllable by software, at least not by user applications. i might be wrong, but i still wouldn't give too much on htc's answer
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for me that sounds like you had a dumb supporter answering your question, who doesn't know what a-gps is
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Which is why I went back to them and explained that A-GPS was not third party software and it was included with some of their other phones.
Now I have got this answer back from them
"It’s come with A-GPS its standard. Sorry for the previous answer."
So there you are - straight from the horse's mouth
Having looked again at my old Touch Diamond (now my wife's ) I was getting A-GPS confused with QuickGPS, which was a programme that downloaded updated ephemeris information weekly. Sorry for that
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"It’s come with A-GPS its standard. Sorry for the previous answer."
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lol, i guess i was spot-on with my thoughts!
Ok while we are on the subject will Android work with a bluetooth GPS unit such as the Holux M1000????? I see that google maps on Android has no options for this (can't understand when google maps was better on my Windows Mobile device)
ysandhu said:
I have TELUS HTC hero.and GPS never works. I even tried rooting phone. and tried a lot of of other ROMs. but it never works. I think i my phone has hardware problem. Does anybody know where this piece of hardware resides in HTC hero
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I have a Telus Hero on AT&T in the US and GPS fix time is typically under a minute. I have no complaints.
Do you live in an area where it's particularly full of trees or have an older house? That usually delays GPS lock-on, however I've had success with my hero to get gps fixes in places I've never imagined could. Perhaps sending in for warranty might address the issue?
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Hmmmm ..... if it is then HTC do not know about it!
Since reading and taking part in this thread I have become totally confused. I therefore decided to clear up this confusion with HTC. I asked their support team a simple question, which was this "Does my Hero come with A-GPS please?" I included in the question the serial number of my phone.
This is their reply:
"Its comes with GPS but you need to buy a software. Unfortunately we are unable to help with your query as we don not support third party applications. Please refer to the software vendor for further assistance. As far as we know this application may not be compatible. We hope that you will find further assistance with the software developer. Please also note that you can use Googlemaps, which is an included navigational software application."
So HTC themselves don't think the Hero comes with A-GPS! And I certainly haven't installed A-GPS
Now I am just more confused. Or (shock horror) could it be that Wikipedia is wrong!! Or that HTC don't know what they instal on their own phones
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A-GPS is NOT an application... if you read the A-GPS article on Wikipedia you would have known that it is a service from the different cellsite operators around the globe. If you know what triangulation is then you will better understand how A-GPS works...
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A-GPS is NOT an application... if you read the A-GPS article on Wikipedia you would have known that it is a service from the different cellsite operators around the globe. If you know what triangulation is then you will better understand how A-GPS works...
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IF you had read my post more carefully and IF you had then read my subsequent post you should have realised the following
Firstly I had read the Wikipedia article very carefully, including the notes and history tab
Secondly I decided to ask HTC (the makers of the Hero by the way ) whether or not it supported A-GPS
Thirdly I was reporting THEIR comments about it being third party software NOT MINE.
Fourthly the comment did not sound correct to me which is why I then went back to HTC pointing out that A-GPS was NOT third party software and asking them to reconsider their answer
Fifthly they then came back to me and confirmed that the Hero was indeed compatable with A-GPS
Oh and BTW I suspect I was finding out about triangulation long before you were born ...... it has been used in practice in surveying for a VERY long time. And the theories upon which it is based, geometry and trigonometry, has been around since the ancient greeks, if not longer.