I'm starting this thread to research the hidden possibilities in the HTC Touch Dual (nike). Alot of questions have been asked about wifi capabilities in the dual and how they may be there just locked by the manufacturer. I hope this thread will help us answer wether further capability is unlockable via roms, cabs, drivers, or registry changes.
In an article about the upcoming WM6.1 I found these interesting finds.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/?p=707
"Qualcomm see the decreasing cost of the smartphone spurring growth in adoption of these devices. Steve talked about the Qualcomm/Microsoft collaboration effort and the MSM 7xxx series of chipsets we see in today’s latest and greatest devices. These chipsets include GPS, media, applications processors and more in a single, low battery consumption configuration. There are several variants of their chips in mobile devices today with some having everything inside and some having limitations desired by the manufacturer or carrier for various reasons (cost, size of the device, targeted market, etc)."
The HTC Touch Cruise (polaris) has GPS & Wifi with the Qualcomm® MSM 7200, 400MHz processor - The same processor the HTC Touch Dual (nike) has. There would be no reason to use additional hardware in the Polaris if the processor provides this capability.
already posted at other thread that when someone installs the various cabs that people are trying, when we go to wlan settings mac adress doesn't appear.
Usualy appears even when wifi is off.
Regarding gps i tried using google maps to see if detects something but the only com port that kinda works is com 7 but it turns bluetooth on, so it must be a bluetooth port...
Here you have a link for the japanese version that will be available in january.
NO GPS, but has WIFI and FM RADIO.
wouldn't mind having fm radio on my nike!!!!
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=847
madds said:
Here you have a link for the japanese version that will be available in january.
NO GPS, but has WIFI and FM RADIO.http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=847
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There's neither WiFi nor FM radio in the japanese version. PDAdb.net is just wrong (as many times before).
http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/business_model/ht1100/
hmmm thank's for the reply...
our bad....
<sigh> pearl white....
And what are they talking about FM? Someone speaking Japanese?
if you tranlate the page you can see the word FM appearing...
http://translate.google.com/transla...ss_model/ht1100/&langpair=ja|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8
IT HAS FM RADIO
Chainfire:
Just wondering if you could post a RegDump (possibly directory/file listing) of your Kaiser?
I think we are still missing some registry entires.
One such entrie:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\CommManager\WLAN]
"DeviceName"="{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\TNETW12511"
If I know how to extract files from Rom's I'd probably stand a better chance at all this.
Wifi -> theres already a lot of discussion on another thread
this thread has been dealing with wifi hidden capacities (or not)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=348912
madds said:
if you tranlate the page you can see the word FM appearing...
http://translate.google.com/transla...ss_model/ht1100/&langpair=ja|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8
IT HAS FM RADIO
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It does indeed seem to have an FM radio. It doesn't change much, though (hardware-wise at least, as you would have to use the headset as an antenna).
My point is, don't trust blindly on PDAdb.net. You can find many errors if look around in there (though most of it seems to be right).
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Chainfire:
Just wondering if you could post a RegDump (possibly directory/file listing) of your Kaiser?
I think we are still missing some registry entires.
One such entrie:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\CommManager\WLAN]
"DeviceName"="{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\TNETW12511"
If I know how to extract files from Rom's I'd probably stand a better chance at all this.
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Heh you are right, I did miss that one. Can't make a complete listing right now but I can send you a comparison between the two devices I made yesterday.. In these files 'M' stands for missing and 'D' stands for different... If you send me back two files with only the lines of the files and registry entries you want I can make it into a patch by pressing a button...
I'll try sending you a full listing and dump (instead of the compare files from yesterday) later today.
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I'll try sending you a full listing and dump (instead of the compare files from yesterday) later today.
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Hi, thanks for that, it would seem that there are quite a few registry keys missing, I've only searched for GPS keys so far, the main ones needed for interfacing with the GPS driver seem to be missing.
But even after going though and making my own registry file, GPS still does not work, nothing appears on com 4.
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Hi, thanks for that, it would seem that there are quite a few registry keys missing, I've only searched for GPS keys so far, the main ones needed for interfacing with the GPS driver seem to be missing.
But even after going though and making my own registry file, GPS still does not work, nothing appears on com 4.
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Have you tried COM7 ?
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Have you tried COM7 ?
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yep think its comm 7 on the dual
I think registry keys and DLLs won't help in this case. The MSM7200 GPS function should be enabled by a low level hardware driver that is probably loaded after reset before the OS comes on. Then the OS either sees the GPS port or not. An expert's help is thus needed in this case.
As for WIFI, someone mentioned the lack of MAC address for the WIFI. Again - this is a HW issue as the MAC address is coded in ROM (unerasable part of the FLASH) just like IMEI. And if it is not there to begin with... hmmm...
But we can certainly look for one if we have access to the ROM code - it is a 6-digit number that should begin with 00h 18h 41h. If we correlate a few devices that have this string in the same location than maybe there is something to it (WiFi included).
I was trying GPS test, it scanned all com ports, it did halt on Com7, but now it just skips it.
I think a hard reset and start again is in order.
Klutsh said:
I was trying GPS test, it scanned all com ports, it did halt on Com7, but now it just skips it.
I think a hard reset and start again is in order.
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Cant remember now as ive had to return mine as im replacing it with a 20key model..but isn't there 2 comm7's
ones called comm7 and the others GDP7...or somthing like that....cant remember exactly now.
Please note...
Hi developers.
Please note the following post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1733688#post1733688
I am not much of a mobile/lowlevel coder, but I would be happy to help in other ways.
brgds
- Jesper
jcostanza4 said:
I'm starting this thread to research the hidden possibilities in the HTC Touch Dual (nike). Alot of questions have been asked about wifi capabilities in the dual and how they may be there just locked by the manufacturer. I hope this thread will help us answer wether further capability is unlockable via roms, cabs, drivers, or registry changes.
In an article about the upcoming WM6.1 I found these interesting finds.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/?p=707
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That web page also indicates that GSM850 is supported. For a USA user, that would be the most important thing of all. There has been some speculation that the phone can support GSM850 now. Perhpas the Japanese ROM will turn it on.
I have an htc s640 (iris 100) has the exact same specs as the HTC Touch and my wifi is enabled. i know it has GPS but its disabled. if you need anything from my registry id be happy to help. only difference between these phones that i can tell is the touch screen. rest of the specs seem to be the same.
Juggalo_X said:
I have an htc s640 (iris 100) has the exact same specs as the HTC Touch and my wifi is enabled. i know it has GPS but its disabled. if you need anything from my registry id be happy to help. only difference between these phones that i can tell is the touch screen. rest of the specs seem to be the same.
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That phone has a Qualcomm MSM7500 chip, the Dual has a Qualcomm MSM7200 chip.
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[V speaking: This thread is for general GPS discussions. Please use this thread to report solid facts. Thanks!]
Today weve learned from the neighbours forum that GPS One is alive and very much kicking... Our Hermes seems to have the same Chipset and same Qualcomm 6275 chip, now the big question is - once our baby brother mastered its GPS, whataboutus (what about us..)..
Any thoughts..
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Very good question indeed, do you mean we could have a gps inside our hermes now?
This sounds interesting
This isn't new news, and so far there have been zero indications from HTC re: making GPS a live feature on the Hermes...
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This isn't new news, and so far there have been zero indications from HTC re: making GPS a live feature on the Hermes...
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Of course it ain't news.. it's just that at this exact moment I'm uploading the GPS enabled ROM on my Trinity... it is supossed to work in 10 mins.
And henceforce I'm calling all Hermes Gods here.. make it happen for our Hermeses as well... pleeeeeeaaaaaseeeee !!
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Post your result!
EUREKA
hknoener said:
Post your result!
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Guys IT WORKS... to all those unbelievers... I've upgraded the ROM in a chinch, installed IGO 2006 and with trembling hands activated the GPS:
1. Fix was almost immediate
2. Sat. discovery was beyond expectations - 7 Sats
3. Almanach saved (meaning next GPS off/on got me immediate fix)
4. GPS Accuracy (DOP) = 1.2
Now all unbelievers, eat your hats.
All remaining is to adapt DOPOD ROM to our Hermeses. Let's see now what we can do here.
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Saar
SaarAvigour said:
Guys IT WORKS... to all those unbelievers... I've upgraded the ROM in a chinch, installed IGO 2006 and with trembling hands activated the GPS:
1. Fix was almost immediate
2. Sat. discovery was beyond expectations - 7 Sats
3. Almanach saved (meaning next GPS off/on got me immediate fix)
4. GPS Accuracy (DOP) = 1.2
Now all unbelievers, eat your hats.
All remaining is to adapt DOPOD ROM to our Hermeses. Let's see now what we can do here.
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Saar
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wow that is some great news! but one question that comes to my head is why on earth would HTC block this feature if the device could do it? shouldnt it be other way arround where they could have used it to make tytn more attractive??? anyhow if the gps thing work my tytn will be perfect!
i||uSi0n^
SaarAvigour said:
All remaining is to adapt DOPOD ROM to our Hermeses. Let's see now what we can do here.
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Dopod ROM with GPS enabled from Trinity won't boot on Hermes. The GPS is enabled by the RADIO (see trinity radio rom versions end in .11). Both devices have similar radio, but AFAIK no one tried to flash a trinity radio on hermes.
See this thread for more information on the GPS in hermes devices:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279151
pof said:
Both devices have similar radio, but AFAIK no one tried to flash a trinity radio on hermes.
See this thread for more information on the GPS in hermes devices:
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Hi Pof, that's exactly what I'm saying, and I don't expect it to be a 1-2-3 thing either.. It's only that about a month ago I published an article investigating the GPS enigma on the Trinity. The investigation has led me to the conclusion that Trinity does have a GPS, but also to the fact that Trinity and Hermes share similar radio and same Qualcom chip with GPS One on board.
So earlier today I get a phone call from a friend telling me of the Dopod ROM for the Trinity enabling GPS. I couldn't wait anymore, fetched me a Trinity, dlded the ROM (while still available..) and in ~10 Mins., Voila, I'm holding in my hands the proof for my investigation and article.
Then I thout to myself..hmm.. next case, now let's prove that this can work on the Hermes as well (a side assumption in my article). If it can, it's gonna make the Hermes the real king of the hill... HSDPA, All-Band, Video-Call, Qwerty, 2MP Macro Cam., Fast CPU...now add a GPS and one has THE best yet PPCPE ever available.
I'll drink for that, .
Saar
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Israel
Almost too good to be true
I am all ears let's try this happen...
correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe we need buy in from operators too. They support gpsOne by providing the system that crunches raw fixes into positional information. In this case, a hermes would send raw data to and endpoint on (say Cingular's) network and services there would convert to fix & return.
I may be all wrong here but that was how I interpreted gpsOne.
So will that Rom work on the Hermes? I have the Cingular 8525 and i had an option to download a software for GPS from Cingular for a monthly fee but i just use my BT-338 & iGo.
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correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe we need buy in from operators too. They support gpsOne by providing the system that crunches raw fixes into positional information. In this case, a hermes would send raw data to and endpoint on (say Cingular's) network and services there would convert to fix & return.
I may be all wrong here but that was how I interpreted gpsOne.
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well if its true what you say and that it is sure they will support trinity's gpsOne + given that tytn has exactly same gpsOne = shouldnt tytn be supported too automatically?
i||uSi0n^
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correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe we need buy in from operators too. They support gpsOne by providing the system that crunches raw fixes into positional information. In this case, a hermes would send raw data to and endpoint on (say Cingular's) network and services there would convert to fix & return.
I may be all wrong here but that was how I interpreted gpsOne.
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From what i've understood that's not really the case. gpsOne can function as a normal standalone gps device, with the added feature that it can rely on assistance from the cellular network if it supports it. This results in a quicker fix and better accuracy. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS)
But standalone GPS should be possible!
The only question that remains is:
Is the GPS hardware of the hermes connected in a functional way?
The chips are there, but is there an antenna? And does GPS need a separate antenna? I can't see a lot of differences on internal photo's of Trinity and Hermes.
If all radios use the same antenna and if it's connected to the Qualcomm RFR6250 chip, the trinity radio rom just might enable GPS on Hermes. I certainly hope so.
And where is the antenna in the trinity?
I think we can compare the pictures of hermes and trinity that are in the FTP. If you see they are very similar.
I bet hermes has a gps, but htc didn't advertise maybe because battery problems, software problems or even hardware problems.
But first we need to find where is the antenna in trinity and then,see if we have a similar thing in hermes.
ok, if anyone has the balls to flash a trinity radio on hermes PM me... but this will most likely kill the device, I don't want to try with my hermes
@ionide: tks for the clarification! I just wasn't sure given what I was reading.
@pof: mine aren't big enough... too many unknowns.
We ultimately need a (goldcard?) solution that is guaranteed to bring back a hermes from brickdom...
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@ionide: tks for the clarification! I just wasn't sure given what I was reading.
@pof: mine aren't big enough... too many unknowns.
We ultimately need a (goldcard?) solution that is guaranteed to bring back a hermes from brickdom...
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or ask someone at HTC very nicely for the relevant pointers then let the community do the rest
Off-topic: What is this goldcard thing i keep reading about?
I know there are probally Diamond threads about this but I have been told that what Sprint did to disable the FM Radio on the Pro is not the same. Has anyone figured out a hack or any way to enable the FM Radio? I have the headphones from my mogul which I'm told will work!
Thanks
I've heard a few people think they are close, but nobody has actually done it yet.
over at ppcgeeks some have managed to get it to lock to stations, but without audio, I think it'll be a matter of time before they get it working, just like what happened with the GPS on the Mogul (Titan)
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...just like what happened with the GPS on the Mogul (Titan)
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That was no hack. Via HTC to Sprint it was first simply a leak and then an official release of an OS ROM & appropriate radio with the GPS drivers.
For an active FM radio on the CDMA Touch Pro it'll come to us either in the form of the hack or a more mundane delivery as with the Titan GPS by a carrier including its functional state in their ROM. Multiple carriers have now released the phone so the chances of the latter are increased.
Keystone said:
That was no hack. Via HTC to Sprint it was first simply a leak and then an official release of an OS ROM & appropriate radio with the GPS drivers.
For an active FM radio on the CDMA Touch Pro it'll come to us either in the form of the hack or a more mundane delivery as with the Titan GPS by a carrier including its functional state in their ROM. Multiple carriers have now released the phone so the chances of the latter are increased.
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Yeah, I know, I just meant that people didn't believe the Titan had a GPS chip, and with a little patience were proven wrong. I really do think that there are some brilliant minds looking into this, and the phone is really new, so they may be able to get it working.
Let's hope so! I'm fairly sure that it'll happen.
Hey i think im on to something with this radio thing i need some help....im using a sprint touch pro winmo 6.5 pro calkulins v1.3 rom build 21139.5.0.0 with radio version 1.11.00f an i the fm radio app works completely but with no sound...i feel im close cause i could hear noise thru the headphones (popping like if you turned your stereo on an theres just noise) but usually i would get unexpected errors an or frustrations from this thing not working at all but i copied files from the "htc test" folder overwritten them to the windows folder an thats it i been flashing roms since i got my sprint touch pro an by far i havent been comfortable with anything of the roms but i feel if i keep digging into things i should get some sound thru the headphones...im using the the hub the sprint touch pro came with and using a regular headphone connection can some please help me out...i know we are smarter then them old chinese people thats making these phones...thank you if any question or valualbe information please let me know....im going to post this at xda an smartphone junkies also.........
help with lost registry key for fm radio
hey guys, i was doing some searching in the registry yesterday, and i found another folder containing FMS information, the path is HKLM\Drivers\Active\93 , not sure if this helps anyone in figuring this thing out. however, i was also trying to edit one of the values in that folder, and accidentally deleted everything. if someone would be so kind to post what the values are in there folder i would appreciate it, so i can keep tryn to get this thing working too.
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I just looked at my Sprint TP, stock ROM, and I don't have a 93 at that path, stops at 90. Sorry!
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hey guys, i was doing some searching in the registry yesterday, and i found another folder containing FMS information, the path is HKLM\Drivers\Active\93 , not sure if this helps anyone in figuring this thing out. however, i was also trying to edit one of the values in that folder, and accidentally deleted everything. if someone would be so kind to post what the values are in there folder i would appreciate it, so i can keep tryn to get this thing working too.
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I had some FMS data in \Active\85.
Hello everybody.
I can see on several threads on several forums that some of us encounter problems with the GPS, while other do not ... I'm in the first category : I never saw my HERO getting its fix in 10 seconds, its GPS is very very long to get a fix (when it gets it). Changing the Radio ROM does not change anything, etc.
So my question is the following :
Would it be possible that some series of HERO utilize GPS hardware which does not work properly, while other series utilize another hardware ?
How would it be possible to determine which GPS hardware is actually in my device ?
Waiting for your answers and help.
Best regards.
I have TELUS HTC hero.and GPS never works. I even tried rooting phone. and tried a lot of of other ROMs. but it never works. I think i my phone has hardware problem. Does anybody know where this piece of hardware resides in HTC hero
I had a working A-GPS functionality for a long time... untill I ran out of internal storage capacity and suddenly I didn't have the 10 second GPS fix anymore... I didn't even get any email notification anymore.. so I decided it was time for a hardware reset... after that the GPS worked flawless and even the email notification works again...
Unfortunatly I can't test my theories unless I install LOTS and LOTS of apps from the market... :-(
AFAIK the Hero does not have AGPS. Mine certainly does not need it - I get a fix within 10 seconds or so compared with often waiting for 5 or 10 minutes on my previous Win Mobile phone that had AGPS.
I understand that the GPS can be made to be always on in the background with the Hero - but you need to turn that function on. Have you tried home>menu>settings>location and make sure the Enable GPS satellites box is ticked?
I just recieved my Telus Hero, and I saw that it defaulted to AGPS initially when I went to Google Maps, and in the device's settings, you can activate its on-board gps as well. I'd suggest toggling back and forth, and hopefully you can get a faster fix, I know AGPS will help with getting ephemeris data and thus allow faster lock-ons when you use a gps application.
I hope this helps!
I am not sure it defaults to A-GPS. If you have the "enable GPS satellite" box ticked (see my previous post) then it defaults to using GPS as the method to plot your position rather than using the mobile phone signal, but that is not the same as A-GPS.
A-GPS is (AFAIK) a Win Mobile programme that automatically looked up the ephemiris data (using the phone's data connection) and updated it in your GPS at regular intervals (mine used to do it once a week). This was useful if you only used a programme that required the use of the GPS occasionally, and so were not picking up the updated info from the satellites themselves.
However AFIAK A-GPS is not included in the Hero, at least not the GSM version. It is certainly not mentioned in the specs or the manual, and, unlike my previous WM6 phone, I have never had a pop-up reminder that it is about to collect the data.
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I am not sure it defaults to A-GPS. If you have the "enable GPS satellite" box ticked (see my previous post) then it defaults to using GPS as the method to plot your position rather than using the mobile phone signal, but that is not the same as A-GPS.
A-GPS is (AFAIK) a Win Mobile programme that automatically looked up the ephemiris data (using the phone's data connection) and updated it in your GPS at regular intervals (mine used to do it once a week). This was useful if you only used a programme that required the use of the GPS occasionally, and so were not picking up the updated info from the satellites themselves.
However AFIAK A-GPS is not included in the Hero, at least not the GSM version. It is certainly not mentioned in the specs or the manual, and, unlike my previous WM6 phone, I have never had a pop-up reminder that it is about to collect the data.
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sorry to tell you this, but you are totally wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGPS
and the hero has a-gps, when i fire up my google maps it knows my position with an error of about 400 to 2000 metres (usually the position is pretty good, for only network-based location), when i fire up the gps it knows its exact position within a few seconds (when i am outside of buildings of course)
I admit that I am partly, but not totally, wrong.
Again AFAIK the GSM Hero available in the UK (where I am) does not use the phone data connection to collect orbital or almanac data from an assistance server so as to allow quicker satellite lock on, which is what I had always understood A-GPS to be, and which is part of the definition of A-GPS in Wikipedia. Again, if I am wrong on that I apologise in advance.
It does (as I had previously said) use the phone signal and the position of the masts to plot an approximate position for you when you do not have GPS (indoors for example) or when you have switched GPS off. That info can only be used by some programmes, such as Google Maps, but cannot be used by all sat nav programmes. That was not what I understood A-GPS to mean but I now stand humbly corrected.
In my defence I would suggest (as you should always do when looking at Wikipedia) that you check the history and discussion tabs. You will see that my idea as to what A-GPS is used to be close to correct, but the term has changed over time. Ah well ............ such is the problem of getting old(er)!
peterc10 said:
I am not sure it defaults to A-GPS. If you have the "enable GPS satellite" box ticked (see my previous post) then it defaults to using GPS as the method to plot your position rather than using the mobile phone signal, but that is not the same as A-GPS.
A-GPS is (AFAIK) a Win Mobile programme that automatically looked up the ephemiris data (using the phone's data connection) and updated it in your GPS at regular intervals (mine used to do it once a week). This was useful if you only used a programme that required the use of the GPS occasionally, and so were not picking up the updated info from the satellites themselves.
However AFIAK A-GPS is not included in the Hero, at least not the GSM version. It is certainly not mentioned in the specs or the manual, and, unlike my previous WM6 phone, I have never had a pop-up reminder that it is about to collect the data.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGPS please revise your knowledge...
The HTC Hero (and every other modern smartphone) is using A-GPS... go read the Wikipedia article...
peterc10 said:
I admit that I am partly, but not totally, wrong.
Again AFAIK the GSM Hero available in the UK (where I am) does not use the phone data connection to collect orbital or almanac data from an assistance server so as to allow quicker satellite lock on, which is what I had always understood A-GPS to be, and which is part of the definition of A-GPS in Wikipedia. Again, if I am wrong on that I apologise in advance.
It does (as I had previously said) use the phone signal and the position of the masts to plot an approximate position for you when you do not have GPS (indoors for example) or when you have switched GPS off. That info can only be used by some programmes, such as Google Maps, but cannot be used by all sat nav programmes. That was not what I understood A-GPS to mean but I now stand humbly corrected.
In my defence I would suggest (as you should always do when looking at Wikipedia) that you check the history and discussion tabs. You will see that my idea as to what A-GPS is used to be close to correct, but the term has changed over time. Ah well ............ such is the problem of getting old(er)!
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ok, i am sorry, also i never meant to flame at you. in fact this seems to be a very interesting discussion.
i have no idea what the hero does exactly, especially not the uk hero... but it was my understanding that it uses a-gps, as says this list. also i have no idea how much of the criteria from the wiki article must/should be met to say it uses a-gps. i guess in the end everybody has to decide for him or herself...
what is sure is that the hero (at least here in germany) uses at least the network information to determine the position. if you know how to wipe everything from the gps (almanach etc) then i would like to try how long it takes to get a fix. if that is an argument in this discussion at all, i guess this needs some reading in advance to get proper results...
Thiesen said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGPS please revise your knowledge...
The HTC Hero (and every other modern smartphone) is using A-GPS... go read the Wikipedia article...
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Hmmmm ..... if it is then HTC do not know about it!
Since reading and taking part in this thread I have become totally confused. I therefore decided to clear up this confusion with HTC. I asked their support team a simple question, which was this "Does my Hero come with A-GPS please?" I included in the question the serial number of my phone.
This is their reply:
"Its comes with GPS but you need to buy a software. Unfortunately we are unable to help with your query as we don not support third party applications. Please refer to the software vendor for further assistance. As far as we know this application may not be compatible. We hope that you will find further assistance with the software developer. Please also note that you can use Googlemaps, which is an included navigational software application."
So HTC themselves don't think the Hero comes with A-GPS! And I certainly haven't installed A-GPS
Now I am just more confused. Or (shock horror) could it be that Wikipedia is wrong!! Or that HTC don't know what they instal on their own phones
peterc10 said:
Hmmmm ..... if it is then HTC do not know about it!
Since reading and taking part in this thread I have become totally confused. I therefore decided to clear up this confusion with HTC. I asked their support team a simple question, which was this "Does my Hero come with A-GPS please?" I included in the question the serial number of my phone.
This is their reply:
"Its comes with GPS but you need to buy a software. Unfortunately we are unable to help with your query as we don not support third party applications. Please refer to the software vendor for further assistance. As far as we know this application may not be compatible. We hope that you will find further assistance with the software developer. Please also note that you can use Googlemaps, which is an included navigational software application."
So HTC themselves don't think the Hero comes with A-GPS! And I certainly haven't installed A-GPS
Now I am just more confused. Or (shock horror) could it be that Wikipedia is wrong!! Or that HTC don't know what they instal on their own phones
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for me that sounds like you had a dumb supporter answering your question, who doesn't know what a-gps is (or that it exists), and when hearing "gps" he thinks about the navigation in his dads car. so he thinks "oompaloompa, dschee-pee-ass are there, but no funny pictures. need to buy pictures ompfompf!" by pictures he means cards for navigation software, since this is all one big, dirty chunk of sticky green slime in his head...
i understand it that the gps receiver itself has the a-gps feature (or not), but it is not controllable by software, at least not by user applications. i might be wrong, but i still wouldn't give too much on htc's answer
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for me that sounds like you had a dumb supporter answering your question, who doesn't know what a-gps is
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Which is why I went back to them and explained that A-GPS was not third party software and it was included with some of their other phones.
Now I have got this answer back from them
"It’s come with A-GPS its standard. Sorry for the previous answer."
So there you are - straight from the horse's mouth
Having looked again at my old Touch Diamond (now my wife's ) I was getting A-GPS confused with QuickGPS, which was a programme that downloaded updated ephemeris information weekly. Sorry for that
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"It’s come with A-GPS its standard. Sorry for the previous answer."
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lol, i guess i was spot-on with my thoughts!
Ok while we are on the subject will Android work with a bluetooth GPS unit such as the Holux M1000????? I see that google maps on Android has no options for this (can't understand when google maps was better on my Windows Mobile device)
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I have TELUS HTC hero.and GPS never works. I even tried rooting phone. and tried a lot of of other ROMs. but it never works. I think i my phone has hardware problem. Does anybody know where this piece of hardware resides in HTC hero
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I have a Telus Hero on AT&T in the US and GPS fix time is typically under a minute. I have no complaints.
Do you live in an area where it's particularly full of trees or have an older house? That usually delays GPS lock-on, however I've had success with my hero to get gps fixes in places I've never imagined could. Perhaps sending in for warranty might address the issue?
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Hmmmm ..... if it is then HTC do not know about it!
Since reading and taking part in this thread I have become totally confused. I therefore decided to clear up this confusion with HTC. I asked their support team a simple question, which was this "Does my Hero come with A-GPS please?" I included in the question the serial number of my phone.
This is their reply:
"Its comes with GPS but you need to buy a software. Unfortunately we are unable to help with your query as we don not support third party applications. Please refer to the software vendor for further assistance. As far as we know this application may not be compatible. We hope that you will find further assistance with the software developer. Please also note that you can use Googlemaps, which is an included navigational software application."
So HTC themselves don't think the Hero comes with A-GPS! And I certainly haven't installed A-GPS
Now I am just more confused. Or (shock horror) could it be that Wikipedia is wrong!! Or that HTC don't know what they instal on their own phones
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A-GPS is NOT an application... if you read the A-GPS article on Wikipedia you would have known that it is a service from the different cellsite operators around the globe. If you know what triangulation is then you will better understand how A-GPS works...
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A-GPS is NOT an application... if you read the A-GPS article on Wikipedia you would have known that it is a service from the different cellsite operators around the globe. If you know what triangulation is then you will better understand how A-GPS works...
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IF you had read my post more carefully and IF you had then read my subsequent post you should have realised the following
Firstly I had read the Wikipedia article very carefully, including the notes and history tab
Secondly I decided to ask HTC (the makers of the Hero by the way ) whether or not it supported A-GPS
Thirdly I was reporting THEIR comments about it being third party software NOT MINE.
Fourthly the comment did not sound correct to me which is why I then went back to HTC pointing out that A-GPS was NOT third party software and asking them to reconsider their answer
Fifthly they then came back to me and confirmed that the Hero was indeed compatable with A-GPS
Oh and BTW I suspect I was finding out about triangulation long before you were born ...... it has been used in practice in surveying for a VERY long time. And the theories upon which it is based, geometry and trigonometry, has been around since the ancient greeks, if not longer.
Post here about anything you might have found out about the internal NookColor hardware.
Here's one to start with:
Look at dmesg under Android. The wireless driver is TIWLAN, and a little Googling correlates the line "Chip ID is 0x4030111" with a WL1271, a TI part with 802.11b/g/n, bluetooth, and FM. However, as far as I can tell Bluetooth isn't anywhere to be seen in the Nook ROM.
This document shows the typical setup for the WL1271, which is for WiFi to connect to the host through SDIO (one of the SD/SDIO/MMC interfaces) and Bluetooth and FM to go through a UART.
There may not be antennae for BT and FM, but we should definitely look into this
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There may not be antennae for BT and FM, but we should definitely look into this
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Maybe not FM, but that document I linked shows a "WiLink 6.0 Solution" that uses an antenna switch so only one 2.4GHz antenna is needed for BT and WiFi.
Ohhhh, this has some interesting potential!
I got Flash 10.1 to install, but cannot get the B&N Browser to Dolphin to recognize that its installed when I try to do something with Flash (tells me I need to install it)
txskeets said:
Ohhhh, this has some interesting potential!
I got Flash 10.1 to install, but cannot get the B&N Browser to Dolphin to recognize that its installed when I try to do something with Flash (tells me I need to install it)
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Interesting, but let's keep this thread on the topic of hardware.
Have you tried checking the ttys? Or even just trying to put a bluez stack + firmware taken from another device on it?
BlueTooth
Please, Oh Please, tell me that this device can do BlueTooth. The ability to add a wireless keyboard would make this device Perfect for me!!!!
Agreed, Bluetooth FTW. We could be one kernal injection away from BT!
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Have you tried checking the ttys? Or even just trying to put a bluez stack + firmware taken from another device on it?
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I didn't bother; from that doc I posted there's a GPIO enable for bluetooth, and unless the BN developers were complete bozos they've turned it off and left it off in this kernel. We could go searching for it, but it would get tedious. I am willing to bet that it's referenced in the BN u-boot and kernel sources though.
The TI WLAN/BT/FM driver and firmware can be found here: http://gforge.ti.com/gf/project/wilink_drivers/
This might not be the right section. But what are the possibilities of overclocking to possibly run the tablet version of android "3.0" which is said to require 1ghz or faster processor??
This is an interesting find. My guess is that it would have been too much of a hassle for BN to get a WIFI only chip so they opted for the ready made one and disabled the rest of the functionality.
But I think until we have a cooked ROM for the Nook we won't be able to see BT any time soon. This is too stripped down an OS.
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This is an interesting find. My guess is that it would have been too much of a hassle for BN to get a WIFI only chip so they opted for the ready made one and disabled the rest of the functionality.
But I think until we have a cooked ROM for the Nook we won't be able to see BT any time soon. This is too stripped down an OS.
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It's clear that the NC is based on TI's ebook reference platform. Given the amount of TI silicon in there I wouldn't be surprised if TI cut them a deal on this WiFi module such that it was cheaper than another company's WiFi-only one. It's not clear what's inside the module, and for all we know there is no BT/WiFi switch, which would make it impossible to run anything but WiFi.
As long as the module has a switch, it wouldn't make any sense for BN to hard-disable the bluetooth. There aren't that many connections just to get BT data, and I'm pretty sure the OMAP doesn't use those connections (1 GPIO, 1 UART) for anything. It would only cost a few PCB traces and maybe a pullup resistor or two, less than a couple of cents at scale.
The nook is getting 3.0 Already confirmed.
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The nook is getting 3.0 Already confirmed.
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where was this confirmed? never heard mention of it at all
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where was this confirmed? never heard mention of it at all
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It seems pretty unlikely, to be honest. The NC wasn't intended to run straight Android so can't see B&N being massively interested in supporting future Android versions.
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The nook is getting 3.0 Already confirmed.
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That's a fairy tale. The next version of android will be 2.3, and nothing about 3.0 could be confirmed as it's likely 6 months away at least. And no one has really even confirmed anything about 2.3. It's all been sightings and rumors.
But back on topic - has anyone had a look at the TI Ebook reference material? Maybe they have a vanilla version of android that is made to work with the processor? It's possible the Nook hardware is similar or identical to some TI reference design - it is the first product based on that chip after all, maybe B&N just let TI design the thing?
EDIT: At the bottom of the page for this processor it says: "This product is intended for high-volume wireless OEMs and ODMs and is not available through distributors. If your company meets this description, please contact your TI sales office."
So Grr, looks like they're not going to share much unless you're a big company. Sometimes these guys have lots of support material for their processors, but I guess this one is too specialized.
has anyone had a look at the TI Ebook reference material?
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I browsed through a bit. Looks like very well supported hardware - the driver for the WIFI chip is in the AOSP source tree, and the graphics chips is pretty common.
It would seem to me that a port of Cyanogen would be very straightforward. The missing buttons would need to be mapped to something - maybe an additional UI component which popped up for menu and back? - but other than that...doesn't look too bad. Simpler than a lot of others, maybe.
And damn, this device looks like it would be pretty quick. It's no slouch now, and with Froyo...and maybe a touch of overclocking... it would be faster than a Nexus one with absolutely killer battery life.
A very commonly available, high-quality Cyanogen tablet for $250?
Sick.
You could copy the Archos on-screen buttons (which look really annoying but are better than nothing)
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That's a fairy tale. The next version of android will be 2.3, and nothing about 3.0 could be confirmed as it's likely 6 months away at least. And no one has really even confirmed anything about 2.3. It's all been sightings and rumors.
But back on topic - has anyone had a look at the TI Ebook reference material? Maybe they have a vanilla version of android that is made to work with the processor? It's possible the Nook hardware is similar or identical to some TI reference design - it is the first product based on that chip after all, maybe B&N just let TI design the thing?
EDIT: At the bottom of the page for this processor it says: "This product is intended for high-volume wireless OEMs and ODMs and is not available through distributors. If your company meets this description, please contact your TI sales office."
So Grr, looks like they're not going to share much unless you're a big company. Sometimes these guys have lots of support material for their processors, but I guess this one is too specialized.
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Eh, as far as I can tell it's the same die as the 3630 but in a lower pin count package, without a package-on-package (DRAM/flash stacked on top) version, no camera interface, and only specced for 800MHz. The 3630 comes in 1200MHz versions, and as we've seen with the Nooter bootloader (by accident) it's possible to make this part run at least at 1GHz.
The datasheet for this part is the general 36xx series datasheet, and at 24MB isn't lacking at all (except for the DRM stuff).
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You could copy the Archos on-screen buttons (which look really annoying but are better than nothing)
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You could.
There's a thread in the general section right now about a button remapping app.
I just manually did what the app does, pulled the .kl files, changed VOLUME_UP to BACK and VOLUME_DOWN to MENU, pushed the files back and rebooted.
Et Voila, Bob's yer uncle, I now have menu and back keys...at the expense of losing a couple of volume control keys about which I care not at all.
Nice.
Im running the Malaysk ROM for RK3188 on my Eonon GA5153F
Since flashing the Malaysk ROM my bluetooth settings keep reverting to default, carkit device name etc.
Even if I manage to change them and even hold the settings for a coupe of boots on rare occasions they always revert to carkit and the default pin.
This problem has repeated over 2 versions of the ROM and posting in the Malaysk RK3188 thread brought nothing useful in the way of info.
Anyone have any ideas or suggestions how to sort this out, its very annoying and I desperately need bluetooth handsfree back for work purposes.
Dont know if its relevant - I also have the GA5153F and although everything was fine with Malaysks 4.4. ROM - when i updated to his 5.1 version - bluetooth did not work until I changed the bluetooth adapter in Factory Settings to the non "b" version (same model number) since then it works great.
Yep, youll get nothing with the wrong adapter set.
Unfortunately this is a different fault.
Anybody?
I know others have suffered this problem, doesnt anyone have any other suggestions?
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Anybody?
I know others have suffered this problem, doesnt anyone have any other suggestions?
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Get a Parrot BT. I am using a MKI9200. It is simple to install and call quality is 100x better.
m00n61 said:
Get a Parrot BT. I am using a MKI9200. It is simple to install and call quality is 100x better.
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Im sure it is, but it doesnt help solve the real fault with the kit Ive already purchased, fitted, and seriously need to function as I regularly need to take calls when driving, Im a courier.
Frankly I didnt have any call quality issues when it was working, its the total lack of function thats a bit of an issue!
Is this a hardware fault? Is it a Rom fault? IS it a media board fault? IS it as simple as a file somewhere being over written or with bad permissions?
Non b worked for me but now I have no wifi
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mindriot said:
Im sure it is, but it doesnt help solve the real fault with the kit Ive already purchased, fitted, and seriously need to function as I regularly need to take calls when driving, Im a courier.
Frankly I didnt have any call quality issues when it was working, its the total lack of function thats a bit of an issue!
Is this a hardware fault? Is it a Rom fault? IS it a media board fault? IS it as simple as a file somewhere being over written or with bad permissions?
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It is essentially a manufacturer (software) issue. Malaysk has mentioned somewhere that Chinese developers messed up the BT stack. You must understand that these units use a plethora of BT boards from various suppliers AND in various HW revisions. Nobody will work on a universal BT service that accommodates all these boards. Your best bet, if you want to use the on-board BT, is to find a ROM that works, through trial and error, and stay with that one.
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It is essentially a manufacturer (software) issue. Malaysk has mentioned somewhere that Chinese developers messed up the BT stack. You must understand that these units use a plethora of BT boards from various suppliers AND in various HW revisions. Nobody will work on a universal BT service that accommodates all these boards. Your best bet, if you want to use the on-board BT, is to find a ROM that works, through trial and error, and stay with that one.
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Thanks I am aware of the hardware diversity. It is frustrating that these companies have a weak attitude to stability. However the original rom had functional Bluetooth, and the Malaysk rom is supposed to be based upon it, thats what is also frustrating.
I tried posting in the Malaysk thread but it was largely ignored, scoffed at and lost in all the noise.
Anyone else?