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Hello everybody
I have been reading on this forum for some time now, and I understand the update process, including unlocking, its all great.
However, Im at a loss - I have no idea what I have to gain from upgrading my ROM.
I currently have an untouched T-Mobile Vario II with bootloader 1.04, hardware vesion (?) 634.
My friend has just recieved his Vario II, v646.
Everyones talking about using ROMs from other providers, but I've yet to read anything substantial about whats to be gained from switching or upgrading ROMs.
What CAN actually be changed by changing ROMs? For example, T-Mobile have been kind enough to bundle my device with a free registered version of 'Spb GPRS Monitor' - it monitors GPRS/3G and battery power, plus providing a useful bar on the today screen. it's very useful and I wouldn't want to lose it should I decide to gamble on a ROM update that provides nothing nearly as useful.
I have identified several short comings of my devide, not the least of which is the fact that it intermittantly skips every 30+ seconds when playing music through my stereo bluetooth earphones. I imagine that some kind of update will be required to fix this, as it seems to be a problem for only certain version of the device - the Vario II being the obvious.
I have also decided that I would like to try other graphic themes. Before I have a go at making my own I thought it might be nice to try some existing ones...
There are lots of hardware/radio versions published, but unless I've missed it theres very little talk about what the ROMs provide.
Cheers very much for all your help thus far, and in advance for anything else you might be able to help me with!
lets make this a simple one.. if you are happy with the device the way it is then there is nothing to change... kinda like the old saying, "If it aint broke then dont fix it"
If there are things you are looking to change then maybe post your problems here and we can tell you if you would benefit from changing roms!
I have the universal and purchased the hermes for size and HSDPA / UMTS improvements.
The universal was upgraded and hacked many times.
However, I cant see an upgrade rom hack that is available at all here for the hermes yet.
Can anybody confirm a WWE 3.x Rom upgrade being available? Mine is Imate, but I am not particularly loyal in any way, but would like more reliable Push Email, and the speed improvements that occur with 3.x
To the moderator, you cant really say if it aint broke dont fix it, cause quite often, you dont know if it is broken until you start to fix something, and you dont know if something is faster, better, more efficient, more effective, or provides improvements in functionality until a question is asked.
Its a bit like me taking my car to a mechanic, they always ask if everything is fine, it always is, but they always call me up and tell me that this isnt working, this needs fixing, and this is about to broke... You can triple the cost if you would like us to fix it.
You didnt know until somebody points out the improvements and benefits.
So, I would like the initial question answered as well, if somebody is prepared to give an explanation and some guidance.
Here's some upgrading facts for you:
There is no AKU 3.x ROM available for the Hermes yet.
Due to a new encryption strategy, ROMS take 25 minutes to flash. Any interruptions during this time may brick your device.
Also due to the above encryption strategy, we are not yet able to cook our own custom ROMS for the Hermes.
Boot Loader v1.04 which shipped with most of the early ROMs contains a bug which allows easy bypassing of CID lock. However subsequent bootloaders fix this problem and will CID lock you to your original vendor. The only crossgrade solution is to first downgrade to a BL1.04 version of your vendor's ROM then exploit the bug to load another. Device owners without a 1.04BL version of their ROM have consequently been unable to crossgrade/unlock their Hermes.
There is a bootleg solution that will flash BL1.04 on any Hermes while leaving the rest of the ROM untouched. However, it isn't available here. In fact the original owner of it's copyrighted code actively pursues anybody who posts this solution on the internet. Consequently, it's worldwide availability is constantly changing
There is a CID/SIM unlock solution by pof that is posted here which works with the 1.04 Bootloader only
The more current ROMS for the DoPod, TyTN and 8525 contain measured performance improvements
The most current radio rom (v1.20) improves battery performance
Most of the newer roms fix a media player audio stutter bug
Getting a combination of the most current radio ROM and the most current device ROM involves 40-60 minutes of flashing time and the use of the bootleg BL1.04 solution described above.
HTH!
Thanks sleuth255 for taking the time to answer comprehensively.
I am really only interested in upgrading to 3.x and will wait and see how things transpire. There was major benefits to the universal upgrade to 3.x however, the hermes doesnt appear to suffer the speed issues of the universal and I am so far very happy with the device.
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Hello everybody
I have identified several short comings of my devide, not the least of which is the fact that it intermittantly skips every 30+ seconds when playing music through my stereo bluetooth earphones. I imagine that some kind of update will be required to fix this, as it seems to be a problem for only certain version of the device - the Vario II being the obvious.
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I tested all the WWE ROM here (not the one with 1.09 bootloader, because since today is a one way only road, no way to flash back the original ROM)
About music skip: not sure if upgrade will solve it (since today) but there is a good patch here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=284974
Other well known problems (lost storage card in windows media player, overnight and in-call freeze, poor efficiency (short battery life in UMTS coverage, slow performances if compared to processor speed promise, ...) are still unsolved
I will suggest: play if you want, but having in mind that HERMES ROM flashing today is just for play, have a look, testing, not for really solving anything
Supercid ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282073 ) your device to play with ROMs, now, because you have the 1.04 bootloader version. Once SUPERCIDed you can play with all ROM
Well thats my primary issue at the moment and it sounds a lot like your fix may work for me.
I am using an original ROM im guessing, with bootloader 1.04 so all the doors are open for me. I'm in nor rush, strictly speaking, because I love this device and it generally works wonders for me. I listen to music for long periods of time once in a while (long car journeys alone with my SE ds970 - plugs the ears well providing awsome noise removal from external sources, can't even hear the engine on my crappy Vauxhall Corsa with those in...) but it is during those periods that I suffer with the skipping. fixing it will be wonderful.
I have a question about your fix though, but I worry that having read the first few pages of your other thread, and the last few, I may have missed the answer so I apologise if I'm asking questions you have already answered - but I remember reading the original thread a while ago from the guy who discovered the Task Manager app that fixed the issue and he mentioned that because the software seems to prevent any CPU speed scaling (not sure if thats actually what its doing) he observed that CPU battery consumption while running that specific app + audio decreased noticably. Is this still an issue with your patch? I plan to purchase a working in-car power adapter so it won't really be a problem, but im curious
I'm gonna take my time with regards to ROM upgrades because as has been mentioned above - I have only a few issues which after reading this thread now seem to be standing issues which won't be fixed whatever I decide to do right now. Ultimately, I have the stuff I detailed above adn thus far no steadfast information about which ROMs are good for what. I don't even know anything about this 3.x business noted above...
What I'd like to know now, before I try your fix, is - if i were to install a TyTn ROM (which right now Im assuming is an original HTC TyTn ROM as oposed to a yet-to-be-released T-Mobile ROM...?) will that effectively brand it back to HTC, wipe the onboard flash, give me the original TyTn green theme, remove all the software and settings T-Mobile gave me (they were kind enough to give me a licensed copy of Spb GPRS Monitor which is quite an advantage for me - my friend has a more recent T-Mobile Vario II and they seem to have retracted the offer ... ) and leave me at square one with any fixes/improvements/new-issues that ROM provides?
I also seem to remember reading that because as yet T-Mobile have not released an original ROM, changing now is a one way trip.
I think what I need is for someone to set me in the right direction from the perspective of a early Vario II user. I really enjoy my gadgets, and the best thing about them is "fixing things that aint broke" I love upgrading and trying to squeeze it for all its worth. Better yet, updating my device and gloating to those who have no idea what that means! It's all good...
Anyway, cheers very much for your help thus far - greatly appreciated.
I dont care what anyone says - the stock rom is faster.
I've been using dcd 3.2.5 for almost a week - like the Rev-A, dont care for the GPS, rest is pretty good.
But I could swear that it was not as responsive as the stock.
So I just got down reflashing the stock rom tonight - sure enough, the phone is much more responsive.
I'm curious as to other's experience since many think that dcd 3.2.5 is faster (just not in my experience)
So now I'll be waiting for the official VZW upgrade sometime this century...
normally, i wouldn't butt in on this; but i've noticed my phone has been much less responsive...
I'm not going to blame anyone or anything yet, but for example, when I'm drafting up a text, I can't even add recipients from my contacts, it just sits there and 'searches' forever...
but yeah, that's just my rant for today
I really do appreciate everyone's work and I try to help out the community wherever I can, so I'm not bashing.
If anyone knows of any software issues that are creating sluggishness, please let me know.
Otherwise, Keep up the good work everyone.
I agree
Also, I wont dare bash anyone for the work that has gone into these roms. I only wish I had the skill to do what some of these guys or doing.
This was in no way meant to bash anyone - just something I noticed
Maybe its some program I was running - who knows
While I loved having Rev-A, overall speed is more important to me right now
I may go back to dcd's rom in a few weeks if I find I really need the rev-a but for now its back to stock and some more playing around
(maybe I'll find out if it was a program I was running or not)
by chance are you using HTC Home?
I originally flashed 3.2.5 with the Pre-Built ROM and noticed the build was a bit sluggish. I have since went back and adjusted the page pool to 8.5 mb and some other minor adjustments and noticed a decent improvement in the response.
scrawnyb - Just to give you something to compare to... I just now tried starting a text message from scratch and there was no wait at all when opening the message app, selecting a contact, and sending. I have approx. 1000 msgs in my sms inbox and around 130 contacts. Also keep 2-3 days worth of my outlook inbox synced (~50megs.. wireless sync limitation ).
I was on 3.2.0 (fairly stable, bit sluggish). Went to 3.2.3 (buggy for me, not much better on speed). By far 3.2.5 has been the best 3.2.x rom so far for me. I have to agree as well that the original stock rom was fast but i can deal with the minor quirks here and there to get Rev A when tethering and GPS. Also I couldn't live without threaded sms now!
It has been so long since I ran the stock VZ ROM that I really could not compare it outright to 3.2.5. But every build since that first upgrade has been faster and less buggy than the last. I would have to say that the speed and lock up issues are getting better every new ROM.
I am NOT going to revert back to stock to do a side by side comparison so take my opinion as just that: my opinion. But that is the great thing about all these talented individuals who are customizing these ROMs for the public. There is more than one choice and you have to try them all to find what you like.
I've definitely noticed a delay. It's gotten to the point where even touching the start menu and accessing folders has become sluggish, making the xv6700(I compared, xv6700 in stock rom vs xv6800 updated) appear LIGHTNING fast.
And I specifically remember when I first got my xv6800, I noticed how much faster it was than my 6700... Infact, STOCK 6800 has more free ram than any custom rom I've used!! (27-28MB free when I had to flash back to fix my data connection)
I started off with dcd and now I'm with nuerom v2.2 and things just keep getting progressively slower. I don't know what to tell anyone
It's something you guys are doing that is causing the problems.... period... Just to test, I'll make a ROM and you can download it and flash, and tell me what ya see....
My experience is with every rom upgrade it gets better and better. I can't believe how fast 3.25 is on mine then 3.22 was. Huge difference and just about perfect.
I would be curious to know what apps you guys are running. Maybe you have something in common that is slowing you down?
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My experience is with every rom upgrade it gets better and better. I can't believe how fast 3.25 is on mine then 3.22 was. Huge difference and just about perfect.
I would be curious to know what apps you guys are running. Maybe you have something in common that is slowing you down?
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I've narrowed it down to one of the following:
HTC Home <- this seems to be the most likely
Wisbar Advance <- don't think it's this
W.I.M.P. <- didn't notice a difference by closing this
Stock ROM was buggy and it drank RAM like water. DCD's ROMs blow the stock out of the water.
scrawnyb said:
by chance are you using HTC Home?
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no - didnt use it with either rom
My comparison was 3rd party preinstall - tested immediately after flash
I've got some apps on the stock rom now and its slowed down just a bit but still more responsive than dcd's latest version
What you use depends on what you need - I dont need rev-a or gps so I'll take the speed
What you use depends on what you need - I dont need rev-a or gps so I'll take the speed
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You do know that Rev A and GPS aren't all you're losing right? Have fun with Windows Mobile 6.0 and its crappy memory management, lack of threaded messaging etc.
If Rev A and GPS are what you don't care about...have you bothered to try dcd 1.7.0? Windows Mobile 6.1 without GPS/Rev A, compatible with 1.x.x radios and Olipro 1.20...
3.2.5 is the fastest rom I've seen on this phone, stock or otherwise; AND I'm running it with HTC Home / HHC.
legacydevice said:
3.2.5 is the fastest rom I've seen on this phone, stock or otherwise; AND I'm running it with HTC Home / HHC.
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i agree, although i'm not running HTC Home, or VZW stock rom, but this is by far the best ROM of DCD's i've ever run.
WHAT?
I can't really comment on VW's stock ROM since I've never used it; however, I have USCC and have compared it side-by-side with Sprint's stock, as well as Sprint and USCC stock side-by-side with DCD's 3.2.3 and 3.2.5... Yes, I've flashed the hell outta' the two Titans! My personal experience reflects DCD's 3.2.5 to be the fastest (and even most stable) of all. It's awesome! The only problems I encountered I noticed to occur with HTS Home installed (it would consistantly freeze up the unit). I also S2U2 to conflict with FTouch Flo and Slither's Cube (Sluggish). I read about, and subsequently tried, installing HTC Home via HHC and it worked; however, I don't believe that the resulting performance was worth the programs' actual usefulness. I'm sticking with SPB software. DCD's 3.2.5 is hands-down the best ROM as far as performance/speed goes.
Here's my 2 cents worth.
I like the gps but dont need it. I find that it is not nearly as powerful as my bluetooth gps. Certainly nice to have when i dont have my keys with me (my gps is a keychain model). The other problem is that the gps doesnt seem to work when you are outside USA.
I love revA. The upgrade from stock to anything with revA is almost worth by itself.
The memory management of the stock rom is a problem. So dcd has it hands down there.
But the real killer for me. No ICS on the verizon stock rom. Thats the real reason I went to a custom rom. And so far I like dcd's custom roms far better than anything else out there.
Now I agree that some of the dcd roms have not been perfect. For me 3.2.3 for example just wouldnt float my boat. I stayed with 3.1.6 for the longerst time. But I have to say that 3.2.5 is just about bulletproof. As gc said above 1.7.0 was my favorite non revA/gps rom because it was similar. But for me at least 3.2.5 is great. It's incredibly fast and with all the added goodies it make the titan almost a pleasure to use.
Of course your mileage might vary, but for me I can't see much on the horizon better than dcd 3.2.5 (until perhaps verzion release up gps upgrade rom and dcd and cg pull the guts out of it so that we get "instantaneous" gps lock like our sprint brethren.
I swapped over from Verizon stock to dcd 3.2.23 with Radio 3.42.02, HTC Home / HHC, and WkTask 1.1.7.3.
I've noticed a remarkable increase in battery lifetime (approximately 20%), the speed of the phone hardware/response increase dramatically (I no longer have to wait in seconds for the screen to rotate on sliding the keyboard out), and I now have extra features like GPS and internet sharing, which Verizon locks out of the phone while stock.
All in all, my Titan performs faster with a wider range of uses for longer than stock.
mlittletn said:
I originally flashed 3.2.5 with the Pre-Built ROM and noticed the build was a bit sluggish. I have since went back and adjusted the page pool to 8.5 mb and some other minor adjustments and noticed a decent improvement in the response.
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Can the page pool be adjusted without reloading the rom? If so, how? Also, what program are you using to adjust the page pool?
Jeff
question: if you guys arent using HTC home what are you using as a replacement that is as good or better?
just curious... I have HTC Home on an older dcd rom (3.1.6) .. it is the only ROM i have ever put on this device other than stock. If there is a known memory leak then perhaps I will update to 3.2.5 and grab a different today screen app.
so any suggestions?
So, i got my XV6850/Pro today as a replacement for my XV6800 with the stupid screen issues. Nonetheless, what im trying to figure out is does this phone really have awful memory leaks? and do the custom cooked roms fix this? because i initially started my phone off using like... 70something % ram and now im at like 86% with no applications even open.
Looks like a memory leak, main question is... is this problem fixed and in which ROMs?
I also read the wiki and it said that the tools for flashing the Raphael are only for the GSM?! Where can i find CDMA tools for flashing my phone?
I would recommend a hard reset and see if that clears any memory issues. Mine stays in the 35% range running ActiveSync, IM app, and basic phone features. 70% & up with nothing running is ridiculous.
even if im running the verizon version?
weiiird...
I have the alltel touch pro stock rom and run the tp2 manilla, fingersuite, sensor scroll, active sync, and gyrator and still have yet to pass 50%. I know that Verizon crippled the memory but i dont think they did it enough where it would affect your phone like that. Maybe take it to the verizon store and ask them about it.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=64225
Good information for CDMA TP
Hi all,
in all the ROM-threads we talk about the different radio-versions. As call quality has been THE major issue on our device I decided to make up a new thread only for radio. Hope it is ok..
I`m using Novembre5 german rom #1 with radio 5005.1600.05. The complaints about" I can´t hear you..." seem to increase in comparison to the official toshiba Swiss ROM I used before. I`m using german vodafone network, dk if its important.
Maybe we can compare our experiences with the different radios to help our great cooks to implement the"perfekt" radio for our TG01..
THX to all
DubRas
I guess it will depend were you are. I have tried most of the roms that had been posted here. For the purpose of testing the call quality I spent about two hours trying the roms. The original problem I had with this is the person the other end sometimes can not here me properly. A problem I did not have since I upgraded to the official toshiba rom 6.5.0. When I had november's 6.5.5 rom running to my surprise i had a worst call quality, the qualityon both sides was bad. So I tested the different roms and as a result the radio from the official toshiba upgrade is the best one for me. I am in the UK so it might be a different case with other people on other country.
And just a note the radio version that everyone is using now is originaly release for china so it might not be design for other countrys network. I guess!
Also I have posted this in a couple of threads and aragon said that he can do a tool to easily change the radio on roms. I hope it materials. so thubs up from me.
Just to add. Im using aragon's TG01 Debranded Orange UK - 6.5.0 ROM v0.010 which works perfect for me at the moment. loads of space for program and ram after installing all my apps especially for call quality issue.
Big up.. to aragon
so maybe we, the "european" users, should vote for an 6.5.5-ROM with the official UK-Radio. Or, if aragon gets an "easy-radio-update-tool" to work, we might be able to do it ourselves...
It seems that FFBOY radio layer is better, that what I can see, but it's not easy, because all ROM works well, with some diffenreces.... No need of SRSWOW with ffboy's ROM.
DubRas said:
so maybe we, the "european" users, should vote for an 6.5.5-ROM with the official UK-Radio. Or, if aragon gets an "easy-radio-update-tool" to work, we might be able to do it ourselves...
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I'm from Romania this means from Europe here only work the latest Hong Kong radio driver 5005.1600.05 the other one from official UK keep getting problems in call quality.
Do i get that right: there seems to be no easy answer to the question: which is the best radio? Cant believe it, but my technical knowledge is maybe much too low for that. The "Easy-radio-update-tool" might be a possibility for every single user to find the radio that works best for him and in his country/network. So hopefully a tool like that will appear sometime in the future.
im using the newest offical tosh 6.5 update cooked with the
5005.1600.05 radio by aragon this has drastically improved my sound quality i no longer need srswow plus as it the offical rom there is not bugs ect
useyourfist said:
im using the newest offical tosh 6.5 update cooked with the
5005.1600.05 radio by aragon this has drastically improved my sound quality i no longer need srswow plus as it the offical rom there is not bugs ect
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Yes i can confirm that too.
useyourfist said:
im using the newest offical tosh 6.5 update cooked with the
5005.1600.05 radio by aragon this has drastically improved my sound quality i no longer need srswow plus as it the offical rom there is not bugs ect
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What country of you used
I use WM 6.1, but only chinese version... i don't understand nothing, but....... radio works perfectly in my country. it's the first time, when my phone works good, when i am talking with somebody... you can find this rom in the ffboys rom link (somewhere in last posts there is a link for 6.1)I AM VERY SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH
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What country of you used
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i use uk/english rom
Strange. I've been using ffboy's Sense Rom with 5005.1600.05 radio and my call quality is worse. Loads of people here are saying it was better for them. Mind you, it was the same story with the original 6.5 update. Loss of people had problems, but others swore blind that it was perfect for them, with some even suggesting that we must have had a bad batch with a unique hardware fault. I think it's fair to say I ruled that out. I've had 8, some of them refurbs, but the last two were brand new replacements. They were all the same for me. A couple of people suggested it was more to do with varying quality in beteen gsm or 3g areas of network coverage.
One thing I noticed that helped sometimes was to change the volume slider up or down and for some strange reason, the other caller would say that it was better, but then it would get bad again after a few minutes. I once tried dialing my own number and leaving a message on my own voicemail to see what was happening and I discovered that the sound started breaking up particularly at the point when the screen turns off shortly after the start of the call. Anyone else noticed that?
Confused.
Like some others, I found the latest UK Toshiba update to be the best for me so far, although not prefect.
Has anyone had problems with 5005.1700.05?
i had big problems with the 1700 radio. So i had to go back on a rom with a 1600 radio.
I tried 1600 radio version it is not that good. My friend can hear heavy echoing and the time for phone to response is too slow(in my case 20 secs later). WM6.1 has much better radio quality.
I used Japanese version of tg01, when flashed Uk rom radio dont changed, how to change radio for this version ? plz help me, this radio version is really suck (sorry my bad english)
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i had big problems with the 1700 radio. So i had to go back on a rom with a 1600 radio.
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hi,
same experince for me.
switch radio
Is it posible to switch radios without swithing rom's?
Hi Everybody,
I would like to know ,What is the meaning of radio version number? 1500,1600,1700 it mean frequency?(5005.1500.05,5005.1600.05,5005.1700.05)
@MeePooh said:
Hi Everybody,
I would like to know ,What is the meaning of radio version number? 1500,1600,1700 it mean frequency?(5005.1500.05,5005.1600.05,5005.1700.05)
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No frequency related, those(&many others) are radio software versions (generally fitted to certain ROM versions, depending on country?!), so far nobody knows precisely differences between them...
my old fuze died which i put winmo 6.5 on based of a rom i made using the PPC Kitchen.
**edit: this is not the reason it died, infact i loaded a stable build and it worked great with nothing needed for 18months... my screen developed an oily residue... strange enough**
need to flash a new rom on the new phone i got as i had insurance on my old one. havent done it in a over a year so i am not sure what the best and most stable version/build is... and also curious about "radios" not sure what that is.
i am looking for:
stability as i dont plan on flashing often.
improved speaker quality
smaller text
teathering
mobile hotspot
better gps signal pick up
any sugestions?
as always i appreciate any help and will be donating to the rom i use.
Thanks
FYI: Radio are the internal GSM Radio Band, basically the software/hardware combo for an internal antenna. Upgrading to newer Radios sometimes help with battery life, performance, and reception/signal in general.
And for my ROM recommendations, I'd recommend two:
Captain's Special found HERE.
And/or the TAEL ROM [click the image right below this text.]
thanks Zack i went with the latest energy rom. i will give it a go for a couple days and i updated the radio after i updated the rom to 1.02.25.32i will give it a i usually take off TF#D i will give Sences a a small run it looks to be using alot of memory60-75%.
Yeah, HTC Sense is a memory hog... But hey, you must pay for beauty.
Glad to see you selected a ROM. I would've recommended an EnergyROM, but, in my opinion, there's just too much stuff pre-installed [for my taste].
try tael if you want stability. im currently using the latest energy one and my battery dies quickly. but taels battery lasts longer