i don't how to using the iwizard_979.zip to change it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=274860&highlight=IMEI
If you read that message...it says you need to be superCID before using it.
Also that tool doesnt work on the Hermes..
...thirdly its probably illegal to change your IMEI
It's never illegal to change it... Only to use it once changed...
aha touche!!
HAHAHAHA had to be a one poster noobie asking for this kind of help. Thats just funny stuff.
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If you read that message...it says you need to be superCID before using it.
Also that tool doesnt work on the Hermes..
...thirdly its probably illegal to change your IMEI
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I got superCID, if doesnt work on the Hermes. how do change?
Because i change the new motherboard, the IMEI no match the PDA phone, so i thing to change it.
benny0603 said:
I got superCID, if doesnt work on the Hermes. how do change?
Because i change the new motherboard, the IMEI no match the PDA phone, so i thing to change it.
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Its a very BAD idea. Changing the IMEI of your device IS illegal....quit asking please!!
benny, pease post your address, phone number and ocal police jurisdiction and I am sure some one can come by and help out.
After al, I hear that Chinese prisons are lovey this time of year.
Oh, and Internet privacy non-existent (i.e. tracing IP address back to their users and such).
Anywy, have fun.
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Its a very BAD idea. Changing the IMEI of your device IS illegal....quit asking please!!
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OK,I'm quit.
As the matter of fact it is not. It is in UK (and propably in seweral other countries) but in many, many countries (including mine) U can change imei as many times as U want. Please dont think that UR country is a center of the world
PS. I cannot imagine any legal reason to change imei...
robertnik said:
As the matter of fact it is not. It is in UK (and propably in seweral other countries) but in many, many countries (including mine) U can change imei as many times as U want. Please dont think that UR country is a center of the world
PS. I cannot imagine any legal reason to change imei...
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he a CIA agent and dont want n e one to tap in to his convo over the phone....lol
stop flaming the IMEI posts
I don't understand why you gentleman get your panties all in a bunch whenever anyone even mentions IMEI changing. I've read the ridiculously long post by vijay regarding the (assumed) illegality of changing one's IMEI number. But this is a DEVELOPERS forum. Not some sort of cell co customer support forum. The whole point here is for DEVELOPERS to be able to talk about all the nitty gritty details of how we can void our warranties in interesting, novel ways. The forum even has an indisputable history of encouraging IMEI experimentation just as much as ROM cooking (which seems to be the only focus of xda-developers any more.) So let's not restrict our discussions based on this bogus "legality" argument. Ultimately, the users are responsible for what they do with their devices. Let's not play Big Brother and try and impose arbitrary restrictions on what people can learn.
As a side issue, I'd like to suggest that a separate forum be added for ROM cooking. The signal-to-noise ratio has continuously gone south with more and more users posting their own "custom" ROMs (which are little more than the exact same OS with different software taken out or left in). The registry tweaks are all documented (or can be). These releases are just the same old thing with the creator's theme, splash screens, and name added to it. Which isn't to say that people shouldn't create, just that it'd be a vast improvement if we could keep these discussions in there own forum.
::donning asbestos overalls::
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softbank has released a new ROM for X01HT. there seem to be some modifications such as bootloader version up.
the biggest modifications for those who currently use open softbank connection with flat fee discount are;
1) the current connection will be invalid from 4/1/2007.
2) the new rom will install a new connection for this discount.
3) the password for the new connection is not found yet.
I could have sworn that one of the current Softbank EXT ROMS added the open softbank connection for me from the Imate ROM. Maybe the new EXT ROMS will do the same.
jokinawa said:
I could have sworn that one of the current Softbank EXT ROMS added the open softbank connection for me from the Imate ROM. Maybe the new EXT ROMS will do the same.
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no, you can't do that anymore. i read that the extrom of the new one doesn't have the cab file and the executable did the ap setup for the old rom and it appears the ap setup is hard coded in the new rom itself. they've changed the id/pw and the id seems to be opensoftbank but it will be difficult to crack the pw.
btw, someone has already uploaded this new rom to the hermes uploads ftp. not on ftp://xda:[email protected]/Hermes yet.
I for one am not really that worried, yet...
I've got faith in this forum and it's pool of talented hackers to find away around this misguided attempt at SoftBank to make everyone learn Japanese.
Besides, we've got until April 1st before this changeover is mandatory, right?
Their problem is not that they hate English speakers, it's that they offer a flat-rate service for a phone which has its modem capability disabled.
If they allowed hacked phones to access their network people would start using them as modems with their bluetooth laptops. That kind of bandwidth is much bigger than the phone would use on its own, and usually very expensive.
The lack of English firmware is just lazyness on their part.
personally, i am not optimistic about this change although it does not affect me since i am japanese and read japanese.
for non-japanese people, i suppose installing the new japanese rom and english muis would be the only solution to enjoy the flat rate discount for the time being.
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for non-japanese people, i suppose installing the new japanese rom and english muis would be the only solution to enjoy the flat rate discount for the time being.
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you might be right but will see... we still have 4 more months to work on this.
I've been slogging through the murky waters of 2ch reading about this update.
Here's what is known so far:
1) It's basically a change to a new username and password on the Open Softbank connection. The other things in the new ROM are unlikely to affect people with totally different ROMs on their phones -- stuff like the Softbank in-software SIM-Lock have been fortified.
2) The connection details are no longer in the Extended ROM, so it's no longer just the matter of installing the Softbank EXTROM on top of an English ROM.
3) The new connection details are stored in the file mxipupdate_zzPIED_102.provxml. however the "password" in that file is blank. Since the actual password for the "opensoftbank" user is not in fact blank, some other program must set the password later.
This is all third-party info for me, I haven't had a chance to install or play with the new ROM yet...
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for non-japanese people, i suppose installing the new japanese rom and english muis would be the only solution to enjoy the flat rate discount for the time being.
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I will give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you mean "for people who can't read Japanese" instead of "for non-japanese people"...
- awh, a Canadian who reads and writes Japanese just fine, thank you very much.
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I will give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you mean "for people who can't read Japanese" instead of "for non-japanese people"...
- awh, a Canadian who reads and writes Japanese just fine, thank you very much.
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for non-japanese people, i suppose installing the new japanese rom and english muis would be the best solution to enjoy the flat rate discount for the time being.
the new rom disables a2dp?? i can no longer set my headphone set other than hand-free set. i have to google again...
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for non-japanese people, i suppose installing the new japanese rom and english muis would be the best solution to enjoy the flat rate discount for the time being.
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I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I understand that society really drills into your head the "specialness" and "uniqueness" of this country, and that a lot of Japanese people sometimes forget that there are quite a lot of foreigners who become adept at Japanese. And so I gave you a chance to apologize for a statement that I took as *unintentionally* prejudiced.
And you repeat exactly the same statement.
Racist asswipe. People like you are exactly what's wrong with this country.
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I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I understand that society really drills into your head the "specialness" and "uniqueness" of this country, and that a lot of Japanese people sometimes forget that there are quite a lot of foreigners who become adept at Japanese. And so I gave you a chance to apologize for a statement that I took as *unintentionally* prejudiced.
And you repeat exactly the same statement.
Racist asswipe. People like you are exactly what's wrong with this country.
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WoW...whats happening here? I am certain qtotter didnt mean to insult anyone. I dont think the Japanese society drills anyone to think "special" about themselves. Thats a priviledge exclusively for Americans. lol
So why are you so touchy about this...man,...some people just waste time and energy for nothing. And there is NOTHING wrong with Japan. At least not in this context.
Back to the topic. I realize we the upgrade might be necessary. But will i definately loose the modem capability?
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WoW...whats happening here? I am certain qtotter didnt mean to insult anyone.
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If he didn't mean to insult anyone, he would not have repeated his statement after I pointed out that it was insulting.
Also, if you think that qtotter is not the type of person who means to insult anyone, you should check out some of his other posts.
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Back to the topic. I realize we the upgrade might be necessary. But will i definately loose the modem capability?
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If you put Softbank's ROM on, yeah. The other choice is to wait and see whether anyone figures out the password between now and April 1st. If someone gets the password, we will be able to use some other company's ROM that has modem capability. The folks over on the 2ch mobile board are already making good progress.
having a jewish american who speaks, reads and writes japanese as my partner, i don't think i deserve such a name as racist.
i do imagine you must have had a hard time in japan and have strong pride about your language capability, but i don't think i owe you either an apology or a consolation.
upon your comment, i actually and carefully changed my comment although you thought they were exactly the same. please read them again to find where i changed, and you will see why i changed the part if you still care.
since i don't want to keep this thread off the discussion, please send me private messages if you have any further words for me, personally.
awh_tokyo said:
I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I understand that society really drills into your head the "specialness" and "uniqueness" of this country, and that a lot of Japanese people sometimes forget that there are quite a lot of foreigners who become adept at Japanese. And so I gave you a chance to apologize for a statement that I took as *unintentionally* prejudiced.
And you repeat exactly the same statement.
Racist asswipe. People like you are exactly what's wrong with this country.
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There is nothing wrong with Japan or its people thinking that they are "special" as you put it. Its called national pride.
He was saying that since he is Japanese he has no problem using the new ROM. He also said that "for non-japanese people, i suppose installing the new japanese rom and english muis would be the only solution to enjoy the flat rate discount for the time being." While there are quite a few "non-japanese" people who speak and read japanese, the majority of "non-japanese" do not.
Personally alot of the forieners in this country are in or associated with the US government / military. I didn't find it offensive and no one except you seem to have taken offense to it. I know you spent alot of time learning the language and such but don't criticize and call the guy names for making a simple mistake. No one considers all the people and their difference in the world when making forum posts.
My wife is Japanese and we get things confused alot due to the "lost in translation" factor. To me this just looks like a simple case of that.
Lets just keep this forum clean and fun please.
guys,
i think we had enough off the topic posts going on.
over and out.
qtotter said:
personally, i am not optimistic about this change although it does not affect me since i am japanese and read japanese.
for non-japanese people, i suppose installing the new japanese rom and english muis would be the only solution to enjoy the flat rate discount for the time being.
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What are these "English MUIs" of which you speak. And where can I get them?
Good day!
Situation: have a broken (beyond repair) droid 2 global that was unlocked with a code and a new droid 2 global, that has been lying in my wardrobe for already 1 year because I am outside US and do not have Verizon contract to give them a call for the code.
Tried purchasing codes (don't work), tried looking up friends on the web with Verizon account (nobody agrees to help, which is actually stupid as I will never come to US to make some fraud against helper..) - not luck..
And recently came up with a interesting idea - what if I take out the gsm-module from a broken droid and put it into the locked one?.. Anybody has knowledge where Motorola imprints the IMEI - to the module or to the mainboard?..
Could be an option to swap imei's in the module but assume Motorola's are not as easy as HTC's to crack..
Please don't tell me about some legal consequences, I am not in US to be afraid of some big brother following me. I need to know an answer if it is technically possible.
Thanks in advance for ideas and help!
Michael
Changing the IMEI is illegal in most countries, you know? (in any circumstance)
RoberGalarga said:
Changing the IMEI is illegal in most countries, you know? (in any circumstance)
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I know that you most likely read about it on the web.. I am not discussing that, I prefer to have my judgement based on reality.
Could you comment on the point raised in the question? If not - thanks for letting me know and stopping by
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I know that you most likely read about it on the web.. I am not discussing that, I prefer to have my judgement based on reality.
Could you comment on the point raised in the question? If not - thanks for letting me know and stopping by
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Did you succeed to change the IMEI? I have a similar situation too.
Thanks!
Hi there peeps,before you say it ive exhausted the search button (so no wise guys)
I have 3 SGS2's I9100,
1. Has no service (from ebay somebody didnt pay the bill)
2. Has a busted screen (again from ebay)thought you could just replace the top screen ! Doh!
3. Has no wifi or bluetooth (been told it needs a new mobo)
i want 2 working phones from the 3 i have.
My question is can i transfer the efs/imei from No3 to the mobo of No1 and the mobo from No2 to No3.I can do the physical from 2 to 3.I am just not certain about 3 to 1.
If you can, how can it be done,what would i need to do it myself?
Thanks in advance
No, you can't transfer an IMEI from one device to another. Illegal in every jurisdiction in the world that follows the rule of law.
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No, you can't transfer an IMEI from one device to another. Illegal in every jurisdiction in the world that follows the rule of law.
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So lets say i had a new mobo,and i wanted to transfer my old efs/imei on it then would that be illegal?Just like they do in the shop when you pay for a new mobo.
So because i have and old mobo,then thats a grey area,and your instantly bannished to the depths of hell for even thinking it or asking it.The point of the question was to see if its possible.Not to be quoted the letter of the law,as if i didnt or wouldnt know it.
But thanks for stating the obvious
That's not transferring the IMEI, that's transferring your existing phone number (or putting an existing SIM card in) to a new phone. The IMEI is a unique identifier that every mobile device has, it's attached to that particular piece of hardware.
I didn't state the obvious, if it were that obvious you wouldn't have made this thread, would you ?
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So lets say i had a new mobo,and i wanted to transfer my old efs/imei on it then would that be illegal?Just like they do in the shop when you pay for a new mobo.
So because i have and old mobo,then thats a grey area,and your instantly bannished to the depths of hell for even thinking it or asking it.The point of the question was to see if its possible.Not to be quoted the letter of the law,as if i didnt or wouldnt know it.
But thanks for stating the obvious
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That's not transferring the IMEI, that's transferring your existing phone number (or putting an existing SIM card in) to a new phone. The IMEI is a unique identifier that every mobile device has, it's attached to that particular piece of hardware.
I didn't state the obvious, if it were that obvious you wouldn't have made this thread, would you ?
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The obvious to me is about the legal stuff and jurisdiction etc ,i'm not asking about anything being legal,neither did i mention anything about a sim card or a phone number.
I know what an IMEI is too.(International Mobile Equipment Identity)
I did ask if i had used mobo can i transfer from another mobo the imei,I assumed it to be a no.So then i asked if i had a new mobo how would the imei from lets say a damaged mobo be transfered to a new mobo.
I didn't come on here to get trolled or preached some laws,if you cant answer what i asked,then whats the point in you replying to something you clearly don't have the answer to.
I said what I said because one of the rules here is "Don't do anything that could get us (XDA) into trouble".
Every single thread like this I've seen here over the past 12 months has been closed for this reason.
Yours will be next.
Mikeechoalpha said:
The obvious to me is about the legal stuff and jurisdiction etc ,i'm not asking about anything being legal,neither did i mention anything about a sim card or a phone number.
I know what an IMEI is too.(International Mobile Equipment Identity)
I did ask if i had used mobo can i transfer from another mobo the imei,I assumed it to be a no.So then i asked if i had a new mobo how would the imei from lets say a damaged mobo be transfered to a new mobo.
I didn't come on here to get trolled or preached some laws,if you cant answer what i asked,then whats the point in you replying to something you clearly don't have the answer to.
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Mikeechoalpha said:
The obvious to me is about the legal stuff and jurisdiction etc ,i'm not asking about anything being legal,neither did i mention anything about a sim card or a phone number.
I know what an IMEI is too.(International Mobile Equipment Identity)
I did ask if i had used mobo can i transfer from another mobo the imei,I assumed it to be a no.So then i asked if i had a new mobo how would the imei from lets say a damaged mobo be transfered to a new mobo.
I didn't come on here to get trolled or preached some laws,if you cant answer what i asked,then whats the point in you replying to something you clearly don't have the answer to.
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check the link below ma8
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961010
PS- also there is no need to be sarcastic, as people are free to post there views regarding a question
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I said what I said because one of the rules here is "Don't do anything that could get us (XDA) into trouble".
Every single thread like this I've seen here over the past 12 months has been closed for this reason.
Yours will be next.
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Ahhh ok fair point understood.
But if i had posted that i had a new mobo and i wanted to transfer the old efs /imei data etc ,then this would have been treated or looked upon a different way?
Because then i would be asking something that is legal,and infact is done everyday in repair shops around the world.
Sun90 said:
check the link below ma8
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961010
PS- also there is no need to be sarcastic, as people are free to post there views regarding a question
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Sarcastic ?
Lol ok understood (noob here , don't burn me yet)
Try wiping efs after backing it up on phone 1
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Thanks
The-Hulk
Hi guys,
I feel as I've done something really stupid in flashing my UK Samsung S3 and I don't understand what or how the hell happened....
Two days ago, I successfully rooted my i9300, installed some root apps, applied triangle away and all seemed well.
Yesterday, without taking heed of the warning in Chainsaw 3D, I (very stupidly) installed the drivers for Chainsaw 3D and promptly bricked my phone
After a little research on YouTube, I found a site that seemed good to unbrick my S3 (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/4...ndroid412-xxemd3-jellybean-update-install.htm). I followed all the steps there, downloaded the firmware from the link there, flashed my phone with Odin 3 and my S3 seemed to be successfully unbricked and good to go.,,,,,,but not so.
After flashing the Jellybean 4.1.2 ROM from the link on the above site, I rooted the phone again, and that seemed to go successfully again, but
now, when I turn it on, and after the Samsung logo has finished swirling, every time it says Android is updating and after that, the home screen appears but it says 'Emergency calls only" (I have tried a couple of different SIMS, and the phone recognizes each SIM card, but it can't seem to connect to any network, such as Vodaphone or O2.
I have tried fixing it with KIES but KIES states that my phone firmware is no compatible with KIES upgrades (???); but the thing that worries me most is that it appears my S3's IMEI number has totally changed with WAY too many zeros in it (how is this so???? I'm completely baffled)
If any of you guys can help with these problems, I'd be eternally grateful, especially the IMEI problem, thanks. Is there a way to fix these problems without wiping all my data? The S3 still has a month's warranty left on it, but I'm kinda worried this time, Samsung will say I've voided my warranty somehow.
NB. My S3 has never been locked to any network.
Did you back up your efs folder before you broke it? If not then you can only try flashing the latest stock rom from sammobile, this might enable the efs folder to be read, but if it's corrupt then you'll pay for a new motherboard.
boomboomer said:
Did you back up your efs folder before you broke it? If not then you can only try flashing the latest stock rom from sammobile, this might enable the efs folder to be read, but if it's corrupt then you'll pay for a new motherboard.
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Unfortunately, no, as I had no idea I needed to back up the efs folder first. Could you please point me in the direction of the latest stock ROM that I'd need?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1646610
Good idea to read the stickies over in general forum before flashing anything.
boomboomer said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1646610
Good idea to read the stickies over in general forum before flashing anything.
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Yes, my bad and you're totally right, I'm just not having a good day, Thanks for the link (it's the one I thought I'd need).
Right now, my S3 thinks it's an Iphone with this IMEI....weird!
As an afterthought, may I ask you if fixing my IMEI back to its original would be simpler, safer and quicker if I used 'Universalbox Extended v1.08'?
The last time I bricked my 'rooted' S3 6 months ago, Samsung fixed it under warranty here in the UK with absolutely no quibbles at all, even sent me a new USB cable.....nice of 'em
No.
1) MG4 Baseband doesn't break your imei. It simply changes the format of efs to a new format that older basebands cant read. Its stick with mg4 baseband or restore efs backup from previous
2) altering your imei is illegal so discussion if this is not allowed here.
Please read the imei thread in general > sticky roll-up thread
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No idea, discussion of such devices is banned on xda -attempting to amend the imei number carries a 5 year prison sentence in the UK.
boomboomer said:
No idea, discussion of such devices is banned on xda -attempting to amend the imei number carries a 5 year prison sentence in the UK.
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Sorry, didn't know, I read all about that on another legitimate forum, where no mention of it being illegal was mentioned. All I'm trying to do is fix my phone, not try British prison food.
To use kies, without your phone connected, try going to emergency firmware recovery and typing in your serial number, follow the instructions after that.
I believe the laws regarding IMEI is that you cannot change it from the original. I am not sure if restoring would be illegal, but I am no legal expert. I know here in China it is also illegal to change your IMEI, but if I had an issue I could get it back to original at a shop for about 10-20 pounds (or just restore my EFS backup ).
Typing in my serial number or IMEI in Kies? Yes, I could understand if someone was asking about modifying or changing an IMEI for dodgy or illegal purposes, such as with a stolen phone, but to think of there being the threat of a 5 years stretch in jail for trying to legitimately try to fix ones own phone seems a bit far-fetched by my reckoning, but if discussing such matters here are forbidden then rules are rules and who am I to say any different?
I've already downloaded the official firmware mentioned in the above post and will try flashing with that later today, and see how it goes.
Also, it seems pretty unbelievable to me that one corrupt folder would require me forking out for a new mobo.....just seems like scaremongering.
Thanks again for all the help and advice.
It is the upgrade and initialization option and it asks for serial.
I don't believe it's an offence to reinstate the original imei, but the same equipment and process can be used to change imei on stolen handsets -hence why discussion is banned. Even possessing the equipment to modify the number is an offense in the UK:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/31/section/2
Samsung make their handsets with a very open format, great for modding but also very easy to destroy in the process. This is why all the guides here have 'backup your efs folder' as the first instruction.
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I don't believe it's an offence to reinstate the original imei, but the same equipment and process can be used to change imei on stolen handsets -hence why discussion is banned. Even possessing the equipment to modify the number is an offense in the UK:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/31/section/2
Samsung make their handsets with a very open format, great for modding but also very easy to destroy in the process. This is why all the guides here have 'backup your efs folder' as the first instruction.
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That's what happens when I jump in feet first <g> Must make a note to read important instructions in the future.
Thanks for making it clear Boom2. Ignorance is bliss until it becomes illegal
"Even possessing the equipment to modify the number is an offense in the UK:" I didn't even realise specific hardware was needed......I was under the impression it could all be done with the program I asked about earlier (?) (although I have no intention of using that now).
boomboomer said:
I don't believe it's an offence to reinstate the original imei, but the same equipment and process can be used to change imei on stolen handsets -hence why discussion is banned. Even possessing the equipment to modify the number is an offense in the UK:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/31/section/2
Samsung make their handsets with a very open format, great for modding but also very easy to destroy in the process. This is why all the guides here have 'backup your efs folder' as the first instruction.
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I hadn't read the actual legislation and have to say it's likely (only in my opinion) that recovering the original IMEI is probably not an offence in the UK....based upon.....
2 Possession or supply of anything for re-programming purposes
(1)A person commits an offence if—
(a)he has in his custody or under his control anything which may be used for the purpose of changing or interfering with the operation of a unique device identifier, and
(b)he intends to use the thing unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
(2)A person commits an offence if—
(a)he supplies anything which may be used for the purpose of changing or interfering with the operation of a unique device identifier, and
(b)he knows or believes that the person to whom the thing is supplied intends to use it unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
(3)A person commits an offence if—
(a)he offers to supply anything which may be used for the purpose of changing or interfering with the operation of a unique device identifier, and
(b)he knows or believes that the person to whom the thing is offered intends if it is supplied to him to use it unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
(4)A unique device identifier is an electronic equipment identifier which is unique to a mobile wireless communications device.
(5)A thing is used by a person unlawfully for a purpose if in using it for that purpose he commits an offence under section 1.
(6)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable—
(a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or to both, or
(b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to a fine or to both.
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1(b) states "....Unlawfully....", I'm sure a good brief would argue, probably successfully, that recovering the original IMEI was not an unlawful act but instead an attempt to recover the unit to it's original and correct identifier.
For the avoidance of doubt i'm not proposing or advocating doing it, just discussing legal semantics.
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(1)A person commits an offence if—
(a)he has in his custody or under his control anything which may be used for the purpose of changing or interfering with the operation of a unique device identifier, and
(b)he intends to use the thing unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
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Its a tricky one... to me this defines "changing or interfering" as separate actions. If interfering doesn't mean changing, it would be my assumption that rewriting the original IMEI would be classed as interfering. It would be much clearer if it said:
he has in his custody or under his control anything which may be used for the purpose of changing, interfering or tinkering
pinsb said:
1(b) states "....Unlawfully....", I'm sure a good brief would argue, probably successfully, that recovering the original IMEI was not an unlawful act but instead an attempt to recover the unit to it's original and correct identifier.
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Nah, it basically says...
You are breaking the law if you
a) have a device that can change or interfer with an IMEI
AND
b) you plan to use it
The word "unlawfully" can actually be dropped completely from that statement. So if all falls back on the definition of interfering. See:
(5)A thing is used by a person unlawfully for a purpose if in using it for that purpose he commits an offence under section 1.
My personal belief after reading this is it is illegal to modify anything regarding the IMEI and being in possession of equipment with the intention of doing this is an offence
rootSU said:
Its a tricky one... to me this defines "changing or interfering" as separate actions. If interfering doesn't mean changing, it would be my assumption that rewriting the original IMEI would be classed as interfering. It would be much clearer if it said:
he has in his custody or under his control anything which may be used for the purpose of changing, interfering or tinkering
Nah, it basically says...
You are breaking the law if you
a) have a device that can change or interfer with an IMEI
AND
b) you plan to use it
The word "unlawfully" can actually be dropped completely from that statement. So if all falls back on the definition of interfering.
My personal belief after reading this is it is illegal to modify anything regarding the IMEI and being in possession of equipment with the intention of doing this is an offence
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I know we could too and fro on this, but....
The wording is specific.....
(b)he intends to use the thing unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
I stand by my original view that a good brief would argue restoration is not unlawful, he may not win but I'd be interested to see a judge not allow the argument.....my guess is the CPS wouldn't want to test it in court unless someone was doing it on a commercial scale anyway.
As I've found in the past, ask two lawyers the same question and you'll get three opinions, plus yours making four!!
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RootSU
On an unrelated matter I thought you'd get a kick out of this regarding your sig.
In 2003, lecturers and students from the University of Plymouth MediaLab Arts course used a £2,000 grant from the Arts Council to study the literary output of real monkeys. They left a computer keyboard in the enclosure of six Celebes Crested Macaques in Paignton Zoo in Devon in England for a month, with a radio link to broadcast the results on a website.
Not only did the monkeys produce nothing but five pages consisting largely of the letter S, the lead male began by bashing the keyboard with a stone, and the monkeys continued by urinating and defecating on it. Phillips said that the artist-funded project was primarily performance art, and they had learned "an awful lot" from it. He concluded that monkeys "are not random generators. They're more complex than that. ... They were quite interested in the screen, and they saw that when they typed a letter, something happened. There was a level of intention there."
Hmmmmm......good to know!
I thought it was an infinite number of Monkeys anyway?
pinsb said:
I know we could too and fro on this, but....
The wording is specific.....
(b)he intends to use the thing unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
I stand by my original view that a good brief would argue restoration is not unlawful, he may not win but I'd be interested to see a judge not allow the argument.....my guess is the CPS wouldn't want to test it in court unless someone was doing it on a commercial scale anyway.
As I've found in the past, ask two lawyers the same question and you'll get three opinions, plus yours making four!!
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Yes we could to and fro, but just one last point to clarify what I mean.
(1)A person commits an offence if—
(a)he has in his custody or under his control anything which may be used for the purpose of changing or interfering with the operation of a unique device identifier, and
(b)he intends to use the thing unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
(5)A thing is used by a person unlawfully for a purpose if in using it for that purpose he commits an offence under section 1.
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The word unlawfully is superfluous as per (5) which defines the word unlawfully as using it for a purpose that is unlawful. ...and as per 1a, changing or interfering with an IMEI is unlawful, so using the equipment to interfere with an IMEI, even if its restoring the original, is unlawful.
If a lawyer needs to argue any point, its not 1B, rather it's 1A. They must prove that restoring the original IMEI is not interfering. If they prove that, then B is irrelevant because the purpose is no longer unlawful.
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pinsb said:
On an unrelated matter I thought you'd get a kick out of this regarding your sig.
In 2003, lecturers and students from the University of Plymouth MediaLab Arts course used a £2,000 grant from the Arts Council to study the literary output of real monkeys. They left a computer keyboard in the enclosure of six Celebes Crested Macaques in Paignton Zoo in Devon in England for a month, with a radio link to broadcast the results on a website.
Not only did the monkeys produce nothing but five pages consisting largely of the letter S, the lead male began by bashing the keyboard with a stone, and the monkeys continued by urinating and defecating on it. Phillips said that the artist-funded project was primarily performance art, and they had learned "an awful lot" from it. He concluded that monkeys "are not random generators. They're more complex than that. ... They were quite interested in the screen, and they saw that when they typed a letter, something happened. There was a level of intention there."
Hmmmmm......good to know!
I thought it was an infinite number of Monkeys anyway?
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Haha brilliant.
Yes it was an infinite number of monkeys originally...
Hmm, you guys are discussing changing imei numbers - Moderator!
Also, what's the fee for advice to the OP?
boomboomer said:
Hmm, you guys are discussing changing imei numbers - Moderator!
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Good point. Whether it's illegal or not in the UK, it is in other countries so discussion is banned.
Hi!
What can app developers actually see and how are they identifying me?
The MAC-adress, the IMEI, the device ID?
How can I prevent them from identifying me? The only way that I know, is changing the MAC, IMEI, and device ID.
For example: I download an app called XY. It knows my phone.
Now I uninstall XY, and install it again, but I dont want that it already knows my phone(A). I mean I want that the app XY thinks that I'm a other mobile phone(B). It dont matters that the app knows that I'm using a 1+1. It matters that the app knows that I'm using another 1+1. And how can I get back, so that the app XY thinks that I'm again using my phone(A)?
Or the question expressed differently, how can I have 2 ''different'' phones in one mobile? For example I could buy another 1+1. But I want to have to two different identities in one phone. Is that possible?
How can I do that? Its nothing illegal that I'm trying to do
Thank you very much, and best regards from germany!
Happy new year!
You can't. They can pull everything about your device. Everything you mentioned changing is against the law in many countries and as such banned on xda.
zelendel said:
You can't. They can pull everything about your device. Everything you mentioned changing is against the law in many countries and as such banned on xda.
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Oh well thank you. But using 2 phones must be also illegal if changing device id is illegal :/
How can I delete the thread?
PlayersHeaders said:
Oh well thank you. But using 2 phones must be also illegal if changing device id is illegal :/
How can I delete the thread?
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You can't delete it. Only mods can. Also no it is not the same as using 2 devices. Might want to look into things and get an understanding of just what you are wanting.
Changing the imei or Mac address has been illegal in devices for decades.
zelendel said:
You can't delete it. Only mods can. Also no it is not the same as using 2 devices. Might want to look into things and get an understanding of just what you are wanting.
Changing the imei or Mac address has been illegal in devices for decades.
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how come you say that ''''Changing the imei or Mac address has been illegal in devices for ''''''''decades.''''
??? we know that this cell phone technology is not even 30 yeras old? seriously??? decades???
favzan choksi said:
how come you say that ''''Changing the imei or Mac address has been illegal in devices for ''''''''decades.''''
??? we know that this cell phone technology is not even 30 yeras old? seriously??? decades???
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Yes and it has been illegal since shortly after consumer cell phones hit the market. A decade being 10 years. So yes. Heck the laws were put in 9lace most likely be for you were even born.