Is there any chance to create hermes noid updater? I mean updater who will no check what CID lock is on device and skip this?
Probably completely misunderstood this from day 1 - but isn't that exactly what Olipro's Hard SPL v7 was designed for? I thought it was designed not to check which CID is on, or whether it's corrupt,etc?
Not exactly. Hard SPL is fake bootloader which run with every rom updater. And I'm talking about fake updater which will work with every bootloader (especialy not hard spl). Same as it was in old pda as himalaya (mda 2), blueangle (mda 3) etc.
Another day, another lesson learned. Thanks Ell82
Hi
I think the main problem is, not the CID check. The reason, why a fake bootloader like HardSPL or SSPL is used is, that the ROM images in .nbh format are digital signed and the booloader checked the valid signature.
HardSPL accepts formally signed code without a valid signature.
That's the reason, why all actual devices used this way.
I may be misunderstanding what you're saying here but...
SSPL will let you flash any ROM to your device. So will HardSPL.
HardSPL ofers a certain limited protection against temporary or permanent bricking.
If you're looking for the easiest way to flash you RUU file to your Hermes, the put in the same folder as 'Faria's RUU Wrapper' - attached to the first post on here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316723 - and run exe using SSPL, but not to flash EXTROM or RADIO, just an 'OS-only' upgrade.
The reason I wasn't sure if I'd understood your question was that all cooked ROMs for a good while have come with an SSPL option.
The attached should do the trick though. It just loads SSPL and runs it which puts your device immediately into a kind of fake bootloader which ignores CID but leaves your actual botloader alone.
Look for the threads on SSPL and on OliPro's HardSPL to see the relative advatages/risks. OliPro's HardSPL is safer, SSPL easier in my opinion, but you should only really use SSPL to load OS or Splashscreens.
Yes, there is litle misunderstanding. I know there is SSPL and what it's do. The reason I was asking about updater with no id is there is a lot of bricked hermes stoping on windows mobile boot screen and not allowing any update on bootloader becosue their not cid unlocked and don't have hard spl. I have device like this, with bootloader 1.09 and looking for any possibility to flash it and unbrick it. There is no way to put sspl to device which not boot to os and which is not cid unlocked and have bootloader 1.09. Or maybe I missed something.
ell82 said:
Yes, there is litle misunderstanding. I know there is SSPL and what it's do. The reason I was asking about updater with no id is there is a lot of bricked hermes stoping on windows mobile boot screen and not allowing any update on bootloader becosue their not cid unlocked and don't have hard spl. I have device like this, with bootloader 1.09 and looking for any possibility to flash it and unbrick it. There is no way to put sspl to device which not boot to os and which is not cid unlocked and have bootloader 1.09. Or maybe I missed something.
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I had SPL 1.09, corrupt CID, and stuck in windows screen after I mistakenly tried to flash a rom which had a lower radio bootloader, it bricked my device, and I didn't have KITL either...
I sent mine to imei-check. com and they did a JTAG flash which brought it back to life, and there is zero sign that this device was ever bricked.
At what cost? I think they have other way to unbrick devices then jtag.
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At what cost? I think they have other way to unbrick devices then jtag.
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I got this from imei-check:
Prices for fixing:
If the device been unlocked before by imei-check.co.uk (we will check the database for the imei of your handset) price is 20 GBP
If the device been unlocked before by cracked/cloned solution and user confirm this, price is: 60 GBP
If the device been unlocked before by cracked/cloned solution and user lie about it (we can easy detect it) price is: 100 GBP
If the device never been unlocked price is: 40 GBP.
To this prices need to add the delivery costs.
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You can email them at:
[email protected]
You can also try the methods here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Unbrick
but based on the data you gave, you have to send it for JTAG flash, or motherboard replacement.
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Does anyone experience the same difficulties with the new spl 2.03 like I do?
- I can't use the 'old' upgrade tools anymore. I keep getting an error 260 which is very frustrating as the new upgrade program does actually work, but gives me a CID error. Yep I don't have SuperCID.
- Any custom build rom with all Hermes rom cookers I tried will give me an 'image is corrupt' error when I use the new upgrade tools.
So it seems to me the spl password algorythm has been changed and the hashcalculation for the rom too
Now I'm left to debugging the new upgrade, in which I'm not to good at. Why am I doing this? I broke my Hermes during the upgrade and for warranty I really like to have the origal splash screens showing. Even updating the splash is't possible now. The SD method doesn't work either, apperently (and luckily for not bricking purposes) the bootloader seems to check that image too.
Any help is welcome in this.
Cheers, M
oltp said:
- I can't use the 'old' upgrade tools anymore. I keep getting an error 260 which is very frustrating as the new upgrade program does actually work, but gives me a CID error. Yep I don't have SuperCID.
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You need to use the new RUU since SPL-1.11. Both old and new RUU are packaged in CustomRUU, which will unpack either one or other depending on the SPL version you have.
oltp said:
- Any custom build rom with all Hermes rom cookers I tried will give me an 'image is corrupt' error when I use the new upgrade tools.
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You need a patched SPL in order to flash unsigned code. All custom builds are not properly signed with a valid HTC certificate.
oltp said:
So it seems to me the spl password algorythm has been changed and the hashcalculation for the rom too
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Before the password was dynamic, algorithm explained in the wiki. In SPL versions 1.11 or newer the password is always: BsaD5SeoA
Don't know what you mean by "hashcalculation"... the CRC algorithm is still the same, in all bootloader versions.
oltp said:
I broke my Hermes during the upgrade and for warranty I really like to have the origal splash screens showing. Even updating the splash is't possible now. The SD method doesn't work either, apperently (and luckily for not bricking purposes) the bootloader seems to check that image too.
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With a non-patched SPL you won't be able to flash anything that is not signed.
If your CID is ok (info 2 bootloader command shows a valid CID), you can unbrick it by flashing a signed (shipped / official) rom matching your device's CID.
If your CID/radio is br0ken (shows "No GSM" when booting), you won't be able to flash anything on it, your only hope is having a KITL enabled OS image.
i have problem i have tmobile vario 2 after trying upgrade the rom to wm6 phone stop on 17% and now is stock on the bootloader mode spl 2.03 and i can to anything i try flashing with difrend wersion of the software and nothing.help
@pof: thanks for your instant reply and pointing me to my black-outs. The password does work, but still the lnbs command gives me back: invalid command. Maybe that's because the device isn't unlocked. Just like to flash the spl 1.01MFG so I can at least try to work my way out of the bricked situation. Since KITL isn't enabled there isn't much hope, I know. I really tried all the wiki solutions.
Guess there are only two options left: repair centre and IMEI-check for JTAG flash.
Anyone knowing an other alternative, pls let me know
Cheers,
M
same problem here.. need help
hi all,
i've just bought a t-mobile vario 2
i;ve read the wiki & a few of the posts regarding upgrading
but to be honest it has so much information & sometimes the information is contradictory.. so it gets confusing
i've been using the uni for a year now
my point is
i want 2 upgrade my hermes 2 wm6
my boot screen says
herm300
IPL-1.01
SPL 1.40.Olipro
i can use a different/other sim card than t-mobile
how do i chek if my hermes is CID unlocked
and what radio i'm using & what's my bootloader number??
i try 2 read the splash screen after soft reset but the radio version goes away pretty fast
do i run POF's unlocker v3a? is it safe to run again, even if my phone is cid unlocked?
in order 2 upgrade 2 wm6
do i need to install olipros hard spl 2.10? and then run customruu?
this is what i mean by confusing?
i've upgraded my magician, uni & wizard
however they all had pretty easy/self explanatory directions?
i'm sorry for sounding like a noob, but its new territory....
thanx in advance
Is there a specific reason you want to CID the device? T-Mobile's data plan s pretty great so I have never seen the need to use another sim in my vario. You dont need to CID unlock to upgrade the rom.
As long as you have installed Olipro's spl to protect against bricking your phone it should be fairly safe to install a wm6 rom. If not, definitely install the current version of hard spl.
Once you have installed SPL, you then run the RUU.exe file that usually comes with the rom. Tha majority will have a tick box on the first page that says auto detect, which will check which version of spl you have installed and then run itself accordingly. It is best to have the current hardspl installed though.
Most of them dont touch your extended rom and only replace the OS rom contents. T-Mob's wm5 extended rom customizations wont work with wm6 anyway so you will need to go looking here for a cab file called (I Believe) tmobileukfixed.cab.
You will also need to look for newer versions of your pocket pc software as some older ones dont play nice with WM6.
Good luck, and if in doubt, read MrVanx's upgrade guide here: http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/
chrisjasper said:
Is there a specific reason you want to CID the device? T-Mobile's data plan s pretty great so I have never seen the need to use another sim in my vario. You dont need to CID unlock to upgrade the rom.
As long as you have installed Olipro's spl to protect against bricking your phone it should be fairly safe to install a wm6 rom. If not, definitely install the current version of hard spl.
Once you have installed SPL, you then run the RUU.exe file that usually comes with the rom. Tha majority will have a tick box on the first page that says auto detect, which will check which version of spl you have installed and then run itself accordingly. It is best to have the current hardspl installed though.
Most of them dont touch your extended rom and only replace the OS rom contents. T-Mob's wm5 extended rom customizations wont work with wm6 anyway so you will need to go looking here for a cab file called (I Believe) tmobileukfixed.cab.
You will also need to look for newer versions of your pocket pc software as some older ones dont play nice with WM6.
Good luck, and if in doubt, read MrVanx's upgrade guide here: http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/
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i dont live in the uK
so the tmobile plan is not the usp
i need to unlock the extende rom as i like 2 install most of my progs on the extended rom and also my ringtones as the sd card takes a cople of seconds b4 it kicks in..
check the wiki under Bootloader information.
Using mtty, there is a command to check CID status.
todd_jg said:
check the wiki under Bootloader information.
Using mtty, there is a command to check CID status.
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hi
i've managed 2 find out that my phones supercid
however i cant get mtty 2 work
i put the phone in bootloader
then i conect the phone via usb
when i rum mtty
it says usb port cannot open
i tried mtty 1.42 as well.....
I have been reading all across the forums how to CID unlock, upgrade etc. However, I am not able to find the ways to do seeminly essential homework before trying to upgrade. These for me are:-
* Finding a way to completely backup all the stuff from original tytn. Like ROM, SPL, IPL, Radio, CIDlock etc. I feel that this is important as if ever I feel like going to the tried old one I should be able to and to preserve the warranty also. Also, the method to roll back if needed. This should be covering re CID locking the phone etc.
It makes sense to create a way to bring the phone to its completlely original shape if we need it
Thanks
Alber
alber786 said:
I have been reading all across the forums how to CID unlock, upgrade etc. However, I am not able to find the ways to do seeminly essential homework before trying to upgrade. These for me are:-
* Finding a way to completely backup all the stuff from original tytn. Like ROM, SPL, IPL, Radio, CIDlock etc. I feel that this is important as if ever I feel like going to the tried old one I should be able to and to preserve the warranty also. Also, the method to roll back if needed. This should be covering re CID locking the phone etc.
It makes sense to create a way to bring the phone to its completlely original shape if we need it
Thanks
Alber
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You do not need to back up your spl, ipl, etc. because if you need to roll back you can just reflash them on, and they can be found around here and in the wiki.
You cannot un-CIDunlock, but if you use hardspl v7 it will "trick" your phone into thinking it is (when in reality it isnt) so that you do not have to actually unlock it. If you ever need to send it in you can just flash the old spl over it.
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You do not need to back up your spl, ipl, etc. because if you need to roll back you can just reflash them on, and they can be found around here and in the wiki.
You cannot un-CIDunlock, but if you use hardspl v7 it will "trick" your phone into thinking it is (when in reality it isnt) so that you do not have to actually unlock it. If you ever need to send it in you can just flash the old spl over it.
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So you mean that hardspl doesnt CID unlock it? But isnt there really a way to extract the original components and then put them back again ?
thanks
Alber
alber786 said:
So you mean that hardspl doesnt CID unlock it? But isnt there really a way to extract the original components and then put them back again ?
thanks
Alber
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HardSPL does not CID unlock. pof's Free Unlocker (a sticky thread) does the SIM and CID unlocking. HardSPL is a new set of bootloaders allowing upgrade utilities to access and read/write to the phone. The most important aspect of this (besides bypassing the CID check) is the security - it has some overwrite protection built in to prevent you from accidentally corrupting the bootloader area, rendering your phone a brick. HardSPL is a safety measure.
If you check THE WIKI here on xda for the Hermes, you will find some stuff on extracting. It is most probable that it will be FAR easier to find new versions of everything you have, rather than trying to back up and restore. The wiki contains MANY shipped ROMs to allow you to restore back to basically the original condition. LOOK HERE for MW5 shipped ROMs and LOOK HERE for WM6 shipped ROMs.
todd_jg said:
HardSPL does not CID unlock. pof's Free Unlocker (a sticky thread) does the SIM and CID unlocking. HardSPL is a new set of bootloaders allowing upgrade utilities to access and read/write to the phone. The most important aspect of this (besides bypassing the CID check) is the security - it has some overwrite protection built in to prevent you from accidentally corrupting the bootloader area, rendering your phone a brick. HardSPL is a safety measure.
If you check THE WIKI here on xda for the Hermes, you will find some stuff on extracting. It is most probable that it will be FAR easier to find new versions of everything you have, rather than trying to back up and restore. The wiki contains MANY shipped ROMs to allow you to restore back to basically the original condition. LOOK HERE for MW5 shipped ROMs and LOOK HERE for WM6 shipped ROMs.
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what about the radio upgrade
the htc108 thing
its confusing
on pof's sticky it says to downgrade the radio if u have the htc 108..
but on the radio upgrade sticky, it says u can upgrade any phone[hermes] using custom ruu..
todd_jg said:
HardSPL does not CID unlock. pof's Free Unlocker (a sticky thread) does the SIM and CID unlocking. HardSPL is a new set of bootloaders allowing upgrade utilities to access and read/write to the phone. The most important aspect of this (besides bypassing the CID check) is the security - it has some overwrite protection built in to prevent you from accidentally corrupting the bootloader area, rendering your phone a brick. HardSPL is a safety measure.
If you check THE WIKI here on xda for the Hermes, you will find some stuff on extracting. It is most probable that it will be FAR easier to find new versions of everything you have, rather than trying to back up and restore. The wiki contains MANY shipped ROMs to allow you to restore back to basically the original condition. LOOK HERE for MW5 shipped ROMs and LOOK HERE for WM6 shipped ROMs.
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Thanks a lot for the reply, I appreciate the time you spent in expaining this to me and providing these links.
I was wondering if HARDSPL is like shelltool where it will only allow upgrade or flashing of OS part. So, once I use the HARDSPL and flash say HTC official WM6 release or Dopod WM6, will I be ableto to get the bundled radio and SPL and IPL upgrades from these ROMS? and if yes then will HARDSPL get replaced by these SPLs and IPLs built into the ROMS? One more thing, will an upgrade like that can brick the phone as if I rum the official ROM it will try to upgrade the SPL and IPL (I am not sure).
What is the preferred way of upgrading ? unlocking CID by the tool or HARDSPL ?
I have read somewhere that lockwiz tool used for Wizard can save CID also and some tool and put it back also but I dont know how and if the same tool can do it for hermes?
Regards,
Alber
alber786 said:
Thanks a lot for the reply, I appreciate the time you spent in expaining this to me and providing these links.
I was wondering if HARDSPL is like shelltool where it will only allow upgrade or flashing of OS part. So, once I use the HARDSPL and flash say HTC official WM6 release or Dopod WM6, will I be ableto to get the bundled radio and SPL and IPL upgrades from these ROMS? and if yes then will HARDSPL get replaced by these SPLs and IPLs built into the ROMS? One more thing, will an upgrade like that can brick the phone as if I rum the official ROM it will try to upgrade the SPL and IPL (I am not sure).
What is the preferred way of upgrading ? unlocking CID by the tool or HARDSPL ?
I have read somewhere that lockwiz tool used for Wizard can save CID also and some tool and put it back also but I dont know how and if the same tool can do it for hermes?
Regards,
Alber
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Most cooked roms are os only, but a few have a radio, etc. included. If its os only, flashing will only change the os. You can separately flash radio.
Hardspl is the best because its reversible. Well thats not the best word to describe it....id say because its not permanent. But u know what i mean
alber786 said:
Thanks a lot for the reply, I appreciate the time you spent in expaining this to me and providing these links.
I was wondering if HARDSPL is like shelltool where it will only allow upgrade or flashing of OS part. So, once I use the HARDSPL and flash say HTC official WM6 release or Dopod WM6, will I be ableto to get the bundled radio and SPL and IPL upgrades from these ROMS? and if yes then will HARDSPL get replaced by these SPLs and IPLs built into the ROMS? One more thing, will an upgrade like that can brick the phone as if I rum the official ROM it will try to upgrade the SPL and IPL (I am not sure).
What is the preferred way of upgrading ? unlocking CID by the tool or HARDSPL ?
I have read somewhere that lockwiz tool used for Wizard can save CID also and some tool and put it back also but I dont know how and if the same tool can do it for hermes?
Regards,
Alber
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Mcorrie1121 is right. I will add a couple of things.
1. HardSPL is not *necessary* for flashing anything, it only makes it safer and allows you to flash ROMs with CIDs that do not match your device without CID unlocking. Your ROM is basically a few parts - OS, Radio, IPL, SPL, ExtROM, MainSplash and SubSplash. The HardSPL will replace the SPL only. Most non-carrier ROM releases are OS only. Most carrier ROMs (as you pointed out) have ALL of these things. As Mcorrie1121 pointed out, you can easily find a radio - check the wiki, search, etc.
2. Once you have upgraded to a cooked ROM (and HardSPL), you will still be able to upgrade to a Shipped Official ROM. You may need to "unpack" it and use the CustomRUU instead of the shipped updater. That is OK though.
3. HardSPL will not allow overwriting of the IPL/SPL except by another HardSPL (see mrvanx.org downgrade guides). You will not have a problem. It will keep your bootloader zone safe.
4. I don't think there is a preferred way. Some people unlock CID, others do not. There is no reason to *not* unlock it, unless you plan to send it back - and I have never heard of someone getting service rejected for this reason. Wring ROM, yes. CID unlocked, no. That said, maybe try without CID unlocking first and then if you find you need to do it for some reason, then do it. You really do not have to do it, since the Custom Updater bypasses the CID check anyway.
5. Regarding the 0108 Radio BL issue, don't worry much about that - it is an old problem. Just don't go below whatever version you have now.
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Mcorrie1121 is right. I will add a couple of things.
1. HardSPL is not *necessary* for flashing anything, it only makes it safer and allows you to flash ROMs with CIDs that do not match your device without CID unlocking. Your ROM is basically a few parts - OS, Radio, IPL, SPL, ExtROM, MainSplash and SubSplash. The HardSPL will replace the SPL only. Most non-carrier ROM releases are OS only. Most carrier ROMs (as you pointed out) have ALL of these things. As Mcorrie1121 pointed out, you can easily find a radio - check the wiki, search, etc.
2. Once you have upgraded to a cooked ROM (and HardSPL), you will still be able to upgrade to a Shipped Official ROM. You may need to "unpack" it and use the CustomRUU instead of the shipped updater. That is OK though.
3. HardSPL will not allow overwriting of the IPL/SPL except by another HardSPL (see mrvanx.org downgrade guides). You will not have a problem. It will keep your bootloader zone safe.
4. I don't think there is a preferred way. Some people unlock CID, others do not. There is no reason to *not* unlock it, unless you plan to send it back - and I have never heard of someone getting service rejected for this reason. Wring ROM, yes. CID unlocked, no. That said, maybe try without CID unlocking first and then if you find you need to do it for some reason, then do it. You really do not have to do it, since the Custom Updater bypasses the CID check anyway.
5. Regarding the 0108 Radio BL issue, don't worry much about that - it is an old problem. Just don't go below whatever version you have now.
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Thanks, I appreciate your help. Please tell me if I can put back WM5 back on it after upgrading.
Regards,
Alber
todd_jg said:
Mcorrie1121 is right. I will add a couple of things.
1. HardSPL is not *necessary* for flashing anything, it only makes it safer and allows you to flash ROMs with CIDs that do not match your device without CID unlocking. Your ROM is basically a few parts - OS, Radio, IPL, SPL, ExtROM, MainSplash and SubSplash. The HardSPL will replace the SPL only. Most non-carrier ROM releases are OS only. Most carrier ROMs (as you pointed out) have ALL of these things. As Mcorrie1121 pointed out, you can easily find a radio - check the wiki, search, etc.
2. Once you have upgraded to a cooked ROM (and HardSPL), you will still be able to upgrade to a Shipped Official ROM. You may need to "unpack" it and use the CustomRUU instead of the shipped updater. That is OK though.
3. HardSPL will not allow overwriting of the IPL/SPL except by another HardSPL (see mrvanx.org downgrade guides). You will not have a problem. It will keep your bootloader zone safe.
4. I don't think there is a preferred way. Some people unlock CID, others do not. There is no reason to *not* unlock it, unless you plan to send it back - and I have never heard of someone getting service rejected for this reason. Wring ROM, yes. CID unlocked, no. That said, maybe try without CID unlocking first and then if you find you need to do it for some reason, then do it. You really do not have to do it, since the Custom Updater bypasses the CID check anyway.
5. Regarding the 0108 Radio BL issue, don't worry much about that - it is an old problem. Just don't go below whatever version you have now.
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Dear, please help me with one thing-I am terribly confused about the procedure to upgrade my JASJAM to WM6. I understand that one way is to CIS unlock it and install on it the official and dopod releases of WM6. I wanted to know how can I do the same using the HARDspl. I know that I can install the HARDSPL but after that what ??? Can I then run the offcial RUU from HTC or Dopod or I am supposed to do it some other way as I am afraid that it may contain the SPL and IPL and can break by phone OR I have to use some customRUU (I dont know) OR I am supposed to extract the OS from these official releases (I dont know how) OR ..
Can you please clear these confusion??
I have:-
* I-Mate JASJAM, CID locked i suppose as when I run official HTC or dopod it says this update utility is not for this
*I really wanted to save my devices complete state and a way to revert it to the way it was like SPL, IPL, OS, Radio, CID lock etc.
PLS pls help
Regards,
Alber
alber786 said:
Dear, please help me with one thing-I am terribly confused about the procedure to upgrade my JASJAM to WM6. I understand that one way is to CIS unlock it and install on it the official and dopod releases of WM6. I wanted to know how can I do the same using the HARDspl. I know that I can install the HARDSPL but after that what ??? Can I then run the offcial RUU from HTC or Dopod or I am supposed to do it some other way as I am afraid that it may contain the SPL and IPL and can break by phone OR I have to use some customRUU (I dont know) OR I am supposed to extract the OS from these official releases (I dont know how) OR ..
Can you please clear these confusion??
I have:-
* I-Mate JASJAM, CID locked i suppose as when I run official HTC or dopod it says this update utility is not for this
*I really wanted to save my devices complete state and a way to revert it to the way it was like SPL, IPL, OS, Radio, CID lock etc.
PLS pls help
Regards,
Alber
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CLICK THIS LINK
There are upgrade guides there and guides to put it back the way it was (OS, Radio, IPL, SPL, MainSplash and SubSplash) - it is all covered.
The upgrade guides will get you through the upgrade process. The only thing you need to do after that to use an official upgrade is to unrar (using winrar or something) the executable file and take the nbh and us it with the CustomRUU, which can be found HERE .
I was just thinking about the whole IMEI-CHECK website... Is there any way to build a program that based on IMEI, can generate the unlock file for the program used by IMEI-CHECK?
Here is the G4 WIZARD unlock program provided on their website for people to take apart and disect to see if you can figure out how to make a program to generate the unlock file based on IMEI.
I know warez are frowned on here and this is why I only posted the program which can be downloaded here but technically the program is freeware, it's the unlocking service that isn't free and thats what we're trying to fix.
well i guess if it was so easy, people would do it before .
right now i'm flashing with Softspl , and no problems - i'm happy with it ! .
Yes I was using SoftSPL for a few days but since then I got a handset exchange and was gifted with a G3 which got CID unlocked as soon as I put my battery in it.
I am just thinking about it because I used to have a G4 and SoftSPL is simple and almost the exact same thing as stand alone RUU, it even calls the RUU when it is time so it is even the same number of clicks but it just isn't the same thing... I don't have to worry about any of it at all. I can flash happy from one custom rom to the next and never even think twice(is this gonna mess up my phone?) I just don't even have to think about it since even my IPL/SPL can be changed. All available roms are now safe for me to just run the Ruu and be good to go.
I think that is why it would be nice to see a way to permanantly CID unlock so that you COULD change the IPL/SPL and not have to worry about permanently bricking your phone if you accidently flash a rom with the wrong IPL/SPL.
I'm sure you can see where I'm coming from too...
No...
Even with a CID-unlocked G4 (By IMEI-check), flashing a G3 RUU still bricks the device, so it is not related to unlocked or not, it is a matter of G3 or G4 IPL/SPL.
What CID-unlocking in G4 gives is completely the same with SSPL.
Hard SPL for G4 already exists
Check here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332320
With this 2.21.olipro SPL the fix is permanent (until another SPL is flashed over)
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No...
Even with a CID-unlocked G4 (By IMEI-check), flashing a G3 RUU still bricks the device, so it is not related to unlocked or not, it is a matter of G3 or G4 IPL/SPL.
What CID-unlocking in G4 gives is completely the same with SSPL.
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u could also get in touch with rishi2504[xda member]
check out his post
he has made a simple unlock program for the htc elf [htc touch]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328221
The seller said it is unlocked. How can I verify it?
I read CID Unlocking and Sim Unlocking. How can I confirm both.
Also, how can I tell which version of the radio?
and which version of SPL (3.5 or 1.2)?
Or is there any great tutorial I can setup for the AP4?
I am starting to get confused.
the seller probably was not lying as it is easy to do (thanks to olipro - cmonex/olinex) but if you want to check, press and hold your camera button, whilst doing that press the reset button, and tell us the details on the rainbow screen.
this will also tell you if it is SPL 1.1-1.2 or 3.5
when your done just press reset again
LOCKing is related to SPL. SPL is a part of the "bios" (just to use the PC paradign IPL and SPL are "extended bios" ), then you have the RADIO section of the rom and the OS (WMxx)
Other part of the rom are the EXTENDED ROM (where the file needed for operator customizzation during first install are stored) and splash screens (a FULL ROM means IPL,SPL, SPLASH 1, SPLASH 2, RADIO, OS, EXTENDED ROM).
This "bios" , called SPL can receive commands from RUU (Rom Update Utility, the sw used to flash the rom file). ROM info are "wrapped" in a .nbf file and the RUU, interacting with SPL with some batch commands, flash into the device memory the ROM parts (Splash are flashed in their locations, os, radio, ....) RUU opens the .nbf file, read abatch command file, and send the commands to the SPL to flash the rom sections
Now you can understand how a custom ROM is done: using a "kicken" you can prepare a .nbf file containing the data and the batch command file used by RUU to flash it in the right location of your ROM (SPL, RADIO, OS, SPLASH, or all together) SPL is a KEY part for this process.
With the stock RUU IPL and SPL some controls are done before flashing, first of all device's language and vendor ID, so called CID. If they doesn't mach with the ROM file you will have an error and RUU exits: wrong language, wrong vendor, ....
Flashing a custom SPL you avoid this check (or it sets the CID to "supercid", it means I accept every language and vendor ID)
The SIM unlock (phone working with all SIM card) needs something more complex. In the ATHENA FORUM whe have ATHENA UNLOCKER, from OLIPRO, for SIM Unlock and CID Unlock and ATHENA WRAPPER, just for CID unlock. They will update the HTC SPL to OLIPRO 1.2
Hi sergiopi,
Your post is so concise. You told us the whole theory it may take me more than a day to find. You have the potential to be a book author. Thanks anyway.
Questions:
1. How can I tell whether the sim is unlocked?
2. How can I tell whether the cid is unlocked? Or it is no harm to run the ATHENA UNLOCKER again?
3. What is the different btw SPL 3.5 and 1.2? Should I update it? I am planning to run the AP4.
Thanks again!
Did you completely miss my previous post, if you follow the simple instructions. I gave you earlier, we will be able to answer all your questions.
ice_coffee said:
Did you completely miss my previous post, if you follow the simple instructions. I gave you earlier, we will be able to answer all your questions.
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To check if your Athena is SIM Unlocked take a SIM from your friend's phone who is in another network and put it in your Athena. If it refuses to accept the SIM then it is locked and you have to unlock it. If it accepts the SIM and lets you place a call, it is SIM unlocked and most probably CID Unlocked. To check if it is CID unlocked just do what ice_coffe says.
I didn't miss the post from ice_coffee. My Athena is still in shipping. I just want to get more info first. Besides testing with a real sim card, is there any method we can run from the machine?
alui said:
Hi sergiopi,
Your post is so concise. You told us the whole theory it may take me more than a day to find. You have the potential to be a book author. Thanks anyway.
Questions:
1. How can I tell whether the sim is unlocked?
2. How can I tell whether the cid is unlocked? Or it is no harm to run the ATHENA UNLOCKER again?
3. What is the different btw SPL 3.5 and 1.2? Should I update it? I am planning to run the AP4.
Thanks again!
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Thanks, the post is for you and for other newbies, to help everyone to understand. This is a DEVELOPER'S forum, we like smart users!
alui said:
Hi sergiopi,
Your post is so concise. You told us the whole theory it may take me more than a day to find. You have the potential to be a book author. Thanks anyway.
Questions:
1. How can I tell whether the sim is unlocked?
2. How can I tell whether the cid is unlocked? Or it is no harm to run the ATHENA UNLOCKER again?
3. What is the different btw SPL 3.5 and 1.2? Should I update it? I am planning to run the AP4.
Thanks again!
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Listen Alui. The question numbr 3 shows of your post shows that you are realy a noobie. So if you are still waiting for your new device, do not waste your time but start reading. If you already decided that you want to go for AP4, then did you realy read the AP4 thread from first post? I am almost sure, you didn't.
So please remember, if you do not know what you are doing then you have a big chance to convert your super device into a brick.
And once more, if you browse this forum, you can see how many threads is there, and how many post is in each thread. If you see this you should be sure that you are not the first person here who just got his new device. All your questions were answered many times here so just read and read and after a week of reading start to plan what to do next.