page pool discussion - JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development

Hey all,
Just to preface, this is a discussion, not a complaint. I simply want to figure out the cause and effects of different pagepool settings.
I'm not sure about other devices, but from my experience, it seems like the prophet is very "limited" in RAM... One of the biggest pains is not being able to load third party input methods like calligrapher, or htc phone pad (when it's not installed in the ROM).
From information I've gathered here and there, it seems like input methods use a "different" part of the RAM that's shared with the today screen plugins. I'm not entirely sure if this relates to the pagepool, but I have a feeling it is.
So in my quest to figure things out, I've realized the following:
- In the shipped ROMs from the manufacturer, this issue was never a problem. What was the pagepool setting of these ROMs? 12mb? 8mb? 4mb? From the old WM5 threads, it seems like they were set to 12mb pagepool. is this correct?
- In the current set of roms, the cooks like to use 8mb pagepool because the speed is a little better. These roms definitely seem to have the input method problems. ie. pdaviet, pdamobiz, etc...
- Someone mentioned a 4mb pagepool is better for ram with a little sacrifice on speed. I haven't actually tried using a 4mb pagepool rom to see if it has the input method issue. has anyone here experienced it with 4mb pagepool? (maybe those running gullum's 4mb pagepool rom)?
- so in the end, what is the affect of changing the pagepool size in relation to speed, available program ram, third part input methods/today plugins? I'm really confused! Is there even a relation?

mr_yellow said:
Hey all,
Just to preface, this is a discussion, not a complaint. I simply want to figure out the cause and effects of different pagepool settings.
I'm not sure about other devices, but from my experience, it seems like the prophet is very "limited" in RAM... One of the biggest pains is not being able to load third party input methods like calligrapher, or htc phone pad (when it's not installed in the ROM).
From information I've gathered here and there, it seems like input methods use a "different" part of the RAM that's shared with the today screen plugins. I'm not entirely sure if this relates to the pagepool, but I have a feeling it is.
So in my quest to figure things out, I've realized the following:
- In the shipped ROMs from the manufacturer, this issue was never a problem. What was the pagepool setting of these ROMs? 12mb? 8mb? 4mb? From the old WM5 threads, it seems like they were set to 12mb pagepool. is this correct?
- In the current set of roms, the cooks like to use 8mb pagepool because the speed is a little better. These roms definitely seem to have the input method problems. ie. pdaviet, pdamobiz, etc...
- Someone mentioned a 4mb pagepool is better for ram with a little sacrifice on speed. I haven't actually tried using a 4mb pagepool rom to see if it has the input method issue. has anyone here experienced it with 4mb pagepool? (maybe those running gullum's 4mb pagepool rom)?
- so in the end, what is the affect of changing the pagepool size in relation to speed, available program ram, third part input methods/today plugins? I'm really confused! Is there even a relation?
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Well i used the pdaviet 4.0.0.6 touch then converted it to 4mb pagepool and then used it again here r the changes i observed
-the third party input thing started working gr8 in the beginning for some days but for some weird reason i cannot again switch to blimkeys or any other input again now.
-the speed of windows is a bit slow not too much but opening windows folder now takes a lot of time.
-i have a lot of ram now 25mb in the starting compared to 8mb pagepool which used to give me 18mb.
-it starts a bit faster the home pluggin take less time to come.
applications like games r more faster............
thats all ive observed will try 6mb pagepool too sometime..........

Hello mr_yellow
have you tried to google page pool ?! trust me it helps.
to make it easier , have a look at here :
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/17/494177.aspx
Room cooks didn't reduce the rom to make the rom faster! Theoretically the Roms with larger page pool are faster. They reduce the page pool to increase the available program ram.
Hope it helped

I've tried.. and failed... with all the different devices, it's hard to figure it all out. The article you linked was *very* helpful though...
So pagepool is basically the "cache" between the storage ram and program ram... That's what I thought. Interpreting that, the size of the page pool also seems to limit the amount of running application. ie. if page pool is only 4 megs, and 1 application needs 3 megs to run, if a second app that needs 2 megs to run starts, will the OS to stop loading the app since there's not enough memory?
So.. do *all* applications share the page pool? in other words, do all the third party input methods like calligrapher and blimkeys and HTC Phone pad load into the pagepool before executing? Same with PIM apps, internet explorer, games, etc....
Doesn't that mean we should increase our page pool size to 12 megs?
Also, to change the pagepool of a rom, i know it's a simple hex edit... Are there any other changes to the ROM we have to make?
Thanks

Sorry to dig up this thread again, so I've flashed to PDAVIEt 40005b cross which has 12 mb pagepool and I don't see any difference regarding the problems with loading 3rd party input methods. I'm trying to load PocketCM Keyboard and I just can't without turning off all my today plugins. and even then, after a few hours of uptime, it'll stop loading all together and I'm stuck with letter/block recognizer, keyboard, and transcriber (somehow transcriber always loads)...
So my workaround so far is to disable most today plugins, and use SIPChange utility that will automatically load any desired input method after reset. You can find the SIPChange utility on the forums.
If anyone else has any good workaround/solutions, please post them!

I have noticed similar issues around phonepad/blimkeys etc
I have just flashed to pdaviet 4.0.0.0.6
again same. blim keys works for a while then dont anymore

sorry about my silly question but
I have a jamin g4 device now tell me when a rom relesed , I should download witch version : 4M , 8M , Or 12M

darvish_boy said:
sorry about my silly question but
I have a jamin g4 device now tell me when a rom relesed , I should download witch version : 4M , 8M , Or 12M
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If there was one "best" page pool size, I think the rom cookers would have figured it out by now. It depends on what's pre-installed in the rom and what the cooker wants, speed, or ram.
personally, i've tried roms with 8mb and 12mb pagepools, and functionally, there is no difference that I can tell. What you should do is take your favourite rom and edit it so it has different page pool sizes and flash it and try it out yourself and report back here what you find.
THanks,

mr_yellow said:
If there was one "best" page pool size, I think the rom cookers would have figured it out by now. It depends on what's pre-installed in the rom and what the cooker wants, speed, or ram.
personally, i've tried roms with 8mb and 12mb pagepools, and functionally, there is no difference that I can tell. What you should do is take your favourite rom and edit it so it has different page pool sizes and flash it and try it out yourself and report back here what you find.
THanks,
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thanks for ur answer

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Pagepool question.

Hello everybody!
I've got a MDA Vario 2, and I just installed a custom rom (k's WM6), and with the rom cama a tool to change the pagepool.
I changed it to a pagepool of 16 mb, it was default set on 4 mb.
My pocket pc is really supersuperfast now, but I don't know what this means.
Are there any risks? What are the cons of a too big pagepool, and what is a pagepool?
I would be very grateful if someone could tell me this =)
Martin
Check this out....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=295932
Which basically means that you now have around 19meg of free RAM after a fresh boot. This might be fine for you but if you find yourself running out of memory then you will need to use a smaller page pool.
I run mine at 12mb. Then I only load up a few essential programs.
@Wam7, Yep, I don't have to worry about it any more, New Diamond, but when I was running my Hermes, I would take and set my Page Pool at 10-12mb only if I was going to load up very few programs on it. Like M$VC and SPB. Even with those few I would end up with 9mb after a while and have to reset or use oaxis and memmaid.

WM 6.1 Stock (look-a-like) ROM for NEW GENE (P3400 and P3400i with S/N HT8xxx)

Hi Friends,
First of all, let me tell you that this is NOT MY ROM. I've found it on the 4PDA forum so i am sharing it with you guys.
IMPORTANT INFO : THIS ROM IS FOR NEW P3400 and P3400i with S/N HT8xxx. I DONT KNOW IT WORKS ON OLDER P3400 OR NOT. NOR I HAVE EXTENSIVELY TESTED IT ON MANY DEVICES. I AM RUNNING IT ON A P3400i with ONBL 1.17.000 and SPL 1.07.Oref.
The Good:
1. This is a Windows Mobile 6.1 ROM with all default features of Windows Mobile 6.1 including the new welcome center etc along with a few HTC customizations.
2. You have about 43 MB of free User Memory after installing this ROM and about 19-20 MB of free RAM.
3. Device runs very fast when compared to the Stock WM 6 ROM.
4. Quiet fast boot up time.
5. The ROM doesn't have any customizations from the creator, ie. It has default boot screen, default About screen etc.
6. No EDGE related problems and No Control Panel icons missing. (This is a problem with lomlom's fusion 9.0 ROM)
The Bad :
1. I doesn't include HTC HOME, although this may not be quoted as a problem. HTC Home hogs quiet a lot of memory than the individual Messaging, Date, Calander and Task plugins.
2. Task manager incuded in the ROM is quiet old one.
3. As with most WM 6.1 ROMs, Windows Live is not working.
Download it from HERE if you have a 4PDA.com account (This is the original location of ROM where i found it: http://4pda.ru/forum/dl/post/132256/ruu_signed.rar
Else download it from here (I uploaded it on 4Shared for people who dont have a 4PDA account) : http://www.4shared.com/file/76614292/60fceda7/WM61_Stock.html
Sorry for not posting any screenshots but believe me, there is nothing special to post as screenshot. Its a very plain, WM 6.1 ROM.
In my opinion, if this ROM had got Windows Live Working, i can definetly quote it as the most wonderful and simplest Windows Mobile 6 ROM for P3400 and P3400i. But sadly enough, Windows live isn't working even after appying fixes and updates. So i guess i'll have to live with the browser version of hotmail.
For users who need MSN messenger functionality can try out Fring, search for it on google. Its a free, multi protocol messenger supporting Yahoo!, GTalk, MSN, AOL and others.
Also for task management features, I would recommend using HomeScreenPlusPlus plugin. Download it for free from this forum.
Enjoy!
UPDATE: I would also recommend reading Post #6 for knowing about my experiance about the ROM after customising it fully.
Thanks a lot for posting the same, here.
Just a couple of doubts, may be silly.
You have stated the following:
2. You have about 43 MB of free User Memory after installing this ROM and about 19-20 MB of free ROM
I guess, it is 19-20 MB free RAM, right?
Secondly, does this ROM contain Touch FLO, pre-installed?...
And finally, how is the file/directory browsing compared to lomlom's ROM?
krazy_about_technology said:
Hi Friends,
First of all, let me tell you that this is NOT MY ROM. I've found it on the 4PDA forum so i am sharing it with you guys.
IMPORTANT INFO : THIS ROM IS FOR NEW P3400 and P3400i with S/N HT8xxx. I DONT KNOW IT WORKS ON OLDER P3400 OR NOT. NOR I HAVE EXTENSIVELY TESTED IT ON MANY DEVICES. I AM RUNNING IT ON A P3400i with ONBL 1.17.000 and SPL 1.07.Oref.
The Good:
1. This is a Windows Mobile 6.1 ROM with all default features of Windows Mobile 6.1 including the new welcome center etc along with a few HTC customizations.
2. You have about 43 MB of free User Memory after installing this ROM and about 19-20 MB of free RAM.
3. Device runs very fast when compared to the Stock WM 6 ROM.
4. Quiet fast boot up time.
5. The ROM doesn't have any customizations from the creator, ie. It has default boot screen, default About screen etc.
6. No EDGE related problems and No Control Panel icons missing. (This is a problem with lomlom's fusion 9.0 ROM)
The Bad :
1. I doesn't include HTC HOME, although this may not be quoted as a problem. HTC Home hogs quiet a lot of memory than the individual Messaging, Date, Calander and Task plugins.
2. Task manager incuded in the ROM is quiet old one.
3. As with most WM 6.1 ROMs, Windows Live is not working.
Download it from HERE if you have a 4PDA.com account (This is the original location of ROM where i found it: http://4pda.ru/forum/dl/post/132256/ruu_signed.rar
Else download it from here (I uploaded it on 4Shared for people who dont have a 4PDA account) : http://www.4shared.com/file/76614292/60fceda7/WM61_Stock.html
Sorry for not posting any screenshots but believe me, there is nothing special to post as screenshot. Its a very plain, WM 6.1 ROM.
In my opinion, if this ROM had got Windows Live Working, i can definetly quote it as the most wonderful and simplest Windows Mobile 6 ROM for P3400 and P3400i. But sadly enough, Windows live isn't working even after appying fixes and updates. So i guess i'll have to live with the browser version of hotmail.
For users who need MSN messenger functionality can try out Fring, search for it on google. Its a free, multi protocol messenger supporting Yahoo!, GTalk, MSN, AOL and others.
Also for task management features, I would recommend using HomeScreenPlusPlus plugin. Download it for free from this forum.
Enjoy!
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This ROM is only for new p3400 or P3400i,i have tried in Old p3400 and mine stuck in Boot mode,now flash the new GENE_WM6.1__1_17_720_02__B20764 by phamyang,it's better but i want an untouched WM6.1 ROM for old p3400 .If anyone have it please share.
dheerajk27 said:
Thanks a lot for posting the same, here.
Just a couple of doubts, may be silly.
You have stated the following:
2. You have about 43 MB of free User Memory after installing this ROM and about 19-20 MB of free ROM
I guess, it is 19-20 MB free RAM, right?
Secondly, does this ROM contain Touch FLO, pre-installed?...
And finally, how is the file/directory browsing compared to lomlom's ROM?
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Yeh, the word is RAM. I've corrected that in my post.
File browsing os working perfectly. i have installed quiet many apps and still the windows folder is opening within 3-5 seconds.
No it does not have TouchFlo installed, it even doesn't have HTC home. Thats why there is so much free space. Its a very plain WM 6.1 ROM with all the features of WM 6.1 but very few customizations.
In fact, to tell you the truth, i dont miss Touch FLO coz it was a memory hogger. And now since it doesn't have HTC home built-in, i have installed HTCHome_1025_721_ALL.cab which is the 6 tab version of the HTC home. The 6th tab contains the music controller which can be used to play music using audio manager right from the HTC home screen.
The only problem this ROM has got is Windows Live! Thats it! I have searched a lot for a fix but haven't found any working one yet.
@ANKIT360 : Buddy as far as i have found out, the problem with Windows Live is connected to two things :
1. The original Windows Live that came in this ROM has some registry keys missing. For example, under HKLM\Services\Windows Live\Platform, the Transport key is missing.
2. There must be some problem with certificates etc that are causing Windows Live to not being able to communicate using SSL(Secure Socket Layer). WIndows Live uses SSL for communication purposes.
Maybe this information help somebody in finding a fix.
Thanks For sharing Man I am Going to try it tonight
Thanks a lot & keep Going
@swapnil_0081: My Pleasure man.
My Experiance with the ROM till now
UPDATE: Did about 25 different experiments with around 11 cabs, changing connections settings and installing different certificates. No avail, Windows Live and Messenger stuck at startup. Now i am not doing any more tries, even deleted the shortcuts to Live and Messenger from Start Menu.
Software i installed:
1. 6 Tab HTC Home plugin and HomeScreen Plus Plus for Today Plugins. HomeScreen Plus Plus also doubles as an always available task switcher and task manager. I needed this functionality very much as the HTC Taskmanager 2.0 is not included and task management is not possible from home screen without the HomeScreenPlusPlus plugin.
2. Mundu IM for muti protocol messaging, its paid but its great. It can connect to all the chat services and can do things that Fring cannot do, for example, adding new messenger friends.
3. WM5Storage for Mass Storage Mode
4. Resco File Explorer and GFinder+ for managing files.
5. TCPMP, YouTube, Nitrogen (Great Audio Player!), Flash Player 7, Flash Lite 2.1 and Real Player for Multimedia.
6. Opera 8.60 and Opera Mini 4.2 (Mini has great browsing speed with full website browsing, normal Opera is great for other stuff)
7. Yahoo Go! and Google Maps for maps and positioning.
7. iContact BERT Edition for finger scrolling Contacts, PCMImageViewer for Touch friendly Image Viewer and PCM Keyboard .14 for touch friendly keyboard.
8. Advance Config, FDCSoft TaskMgr 3.1, ClearTemp, PIMBackup, psShutXP, SoftKey (for changing functions of both softkeys on Today screen) and SKTools for system tweaking.
9. FDCSoft StartMenu for desktop Windows like cascading menu. Requires very less resources and normal start menu remains accessible as well. PointUI Home as an alternate shell.
10. Misc Software including FlashSMS (for sending SMS which show up directly on screen instead of going into inbox), CHMReader (for reading e-books in CHM format), Picsel Browser (A great E-book and document Reader), PocketRAR 3.8, SQL Server CE 3.5 with Query Analyzer (Databases can be created directly on device), VSPainter Lite (MS Painbrush like APP), Wordnet CE (Pocket Dictionary with a huge word database of 66 MB), Gerald Caller Location (It shows the network name and area name of person that is calling or being called, for India only) and OBEXinfo (changes the location to recieve files via bluetooth to SD Card.
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With such a comprehensive list of software installed, i have about 28 MB User space free, and 16-18 MB of RAM free after 10 minutes of system startup with HTC Home, Homescreen plus plus, Tasks and Appointment plugins running. And with default caching, FileSystem performance is good, Windows folder opening within 5-7 seconds of taping
Isn't is amazing guys! This ROM is quiet good, much better than others.
So far only 3 problem i have identified :
1. Windows Live (The hotmail part, messenger part is solved with Mundu IM) not working.
2. In the Encryption option in System Tab of Settings, the checkbox remains always checked although files are not being encypted (In other words, using encryption is not possible, but people dont use it anyways, mostly).
3. An Old version of task manager with no Today screen task management support is given. This could be solved by using th task manager or HomeScreen plus plus which is better due to the fact that it can be accessed anytime to switch between applications
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In short, i will recommend this ROM to everyone who wants to use WM 6.1 with faster device response. A little bit of tweaking, some software and a 2-4 GB of good quality memory card will make your gene as closely feature rich as other costly phones.
PHEW! Long Post! Sorry guys if you get bored from this post. But i wanted to share my experiance in detail with everyone.
krazy_about_technology said:
@swapnil_0081: My Pleasure man.
My Experiance with the ROM till now
....
PHEW! Long Post! Sorry guys if you get bored from this post. But i wanted to share my experiance in detail with everyone.
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First of all, thanks a lot for taking time for hosting as well as testing and giving such a long feedback. Really appreciate... You have been simply superb in this forum.
But, I am still a bit reluctant to flash this ROM over Fusion, just because of that RAM avaialbility. In Fusion, I have around 23 to 24 MB RAM free, even after running TouchFlo, Wisbar advance etc., as well as after installing a huge amount of softwares (some of them in storage itself), I still have around 16 MB free in ROM. So, I am just perplexed, as why should I flash this one.
The only advantage, I can make out in this rom, is fast "windows" directory browsing as well as booting. But, I feel these are the items which we don't do each now and then. Even, I am pretty satisfied about the responsiveness of Fusion rom, such as switching applications etc. Moreover, responsiveness of TouchFlo has been simply great, and never felt it as a memory hogger, as its RAM consumption has been consistent and may be because of the 28 MB free RAM, provided by Fusion on start-up.
I have also attached a screenshort here, in which you can see that around 20.21 MB RAM is free, even when the ROM is running Touch Flo, Wisbar Advance, Hi-Calc, Resco Explorer, Excel (with a document loaded) and SPB screenshort applications. There may be even other applications such as SPB Keyboard in the background. Isn't it cool? Moreover, swiching applications have been instantaneous too. When I click on the icon of a running application on the Wisbar, the app is displayed immediately, within a second.
Again, I am not at all trying to downplay the efforts put by you to upload this ROM on a mirror and give us not only the access but also the feedbacks and support. Just wanted to put the points here. May be, you will come up with valid arguments and make me flash this one. Just because you must be knowing much more about these stuffs than me, who is almost a newb.
Best Regards...
Hi Dheeraj!
Buddy, if the lomlom's ROM is working for that much great for you, you have no reason to flash this. In my case, it was not. I got only 16-19 MB free without running any app whatsoever, in the case of lomlom's. Plus there were icons missing in Settings tab, and small inconsistensies here and there. Moreover since i tinker around with my phone a lot currently, accessing the \Windows folder is a routine task for me, and with lomlom's ROM i was having a lot of problem with that. Talking about Manilla 2D, ya it looks fancy but after a week of use, i found that its not that usable with me, personally. For me the charm of it was over.
And apart from all this, I always wanted a ROM that works like stock WM 6 ROM of HTC, in short, gives the "Original" look to my phone but still provides me with all the features of WM 6.1. I dont know why but i dont like it when the original OS is crippled in anyway. In this ROM, nothing is missing from the original WM 6.1 installation as described on the feature comparison page for Windows Mobile on Microsoft website.
So in short, its a matter of personal tastes. Our needs are a bit different and so are our ROMS I guess if you dont feel any problem with lomlom's then stick with it. Its a great ROM too and i and other members have solved almost all problems that happen with it after first time boot, so someone should use the result of those efforts too
When i came to this forum, i found that GENE users and specially those with NEW GENE were just crying around with SPL problems and nothing was there as a choice for them in terms of ROM availability. Thats why i decided to do whatever efforts i can to make things better for this part of the forum, ie. The GENE section. Now, i am not a social worker, but i feel for people whom problems i can sense becuase i also have them
Thanks for your complements
HTC Applications in this rom like home plugin,comm manager ,task manager , audio manager,album are very old versions
Can any one help me to update that one
or cook this rom with newer versions ????????
Home plugin? its not even there buddy! ya the ROM is a bit old, but works nicely.
Help !!!!!
hi guys ...i have a new gene (s/n ht8xxx) can any one tell me the steps to update my old wm5 to the new one step by step ...... please .....
Buddy, the way is completly described here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2953612&postcount=2
Not to offend you or anything, please try to search before posting. Many of the custom ROM flashing problems with P3400 and P3400i have been already solved. Just a suggestion, Ok buddy.
And ya, although that tutorial references the lomlom's fusion ROM, you can use the ROM described in this thread too if you want to. The procedure is same, only use this ROM in place of fusion one.
thaaanx
thanx alot man ...u help me alot ....
Dear Krazy, Thanks for the Great ROM
Nice ROM. Thanks for ur Info Krazy. Using it on my P3400i HT8xxxx with SPL 1.07.oref.
Thanks Guys for your good words! Check out my new, self made WM 6.1 ROM which i will post tomorrow. Its a lot like this one with new version of software taken from Touch 3G and some goodies along with that. Currently, i am uploading it.
vishal
hey man i have downloaded wm6.1 rom as per given link but i m still not aware of its installation will u guide for that
is any body able to guide to install wm6.1 rom
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is any body able to guide to install wm6.1 rom
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^^ Did you happen to notice that there is a tutorial on the very first page about upgrading your Gene ?
why do they all want the ezyway
hi additcted & krazy
u guys are still very very nice guys i see u guys still wanting to help these @#$% are the words i wana say to these lazy guys it was different went i wanted to try no stiky no guide but now we have every thing
so all u new guys pls pls pls search read and then ask for help dont just expect help without u trying on ur own
Addicted2xda said:
^^ Did you happen to notice that there is a tutorial on the very first page about upgrading your Gene ?
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New, read for 9 hour's and confused. Help Please?

I am a little overwelmed which how much stuff you can hack up or modify with this compared to my Compaq iPaq I had about 9-10 years ago. I could really use some help with a few questions. My 1st post here, and i am going to try not to be a newbie, i do a lot of developing with FoFiX, and XBMC skins, and know what it's like to get newb's asking questions already answered. But i have searched and read for 9 hours straight now and just confused still about a few things. If anyone doesn't mind answering these and just had some time, I would really appreaciate the help.
I already messed around with trying out the other home alternative, and iPhone clone, and after playing around since with the manila/TouchFlo, so far it's the best one out with being skinable and also is smoothest and nicest looking, with easiest finger touch control. So i am now wanting to learn as much as i can. I'm by far no stranger to MOD'ing stuff , so i mostly understand the dAnGeR's and terminology. I am already going to start converting an XBMC skin i co-develop ('Back-Row') for ever one to use. I do a good bot of all the graphics for it, and doing all the work to update it for 1900x1080 realms.
1) Currently i am using Manila2D_1.00_1819.2926 for now, and still can't quite figure out about the differences of using either 'kitchen' or 'Loaded' manilla ROM files. I am gathering from reading that this allows you to replace your current rom with another ROM that already has manilla inside/cooked so you are running it directly, as part of the overall OS, thus saving internal memory, allowing certain problems from happening. Like it here and there switches programs (opera) back to the touchflo screen, as well as it prompting "Tap here to start Touchflo" and having to do this every here and there.
2) The touchflo 3d isn't available yet, and possible/definitely wouldn't run on a HTC Mogul (64megs internal, 1?? storage), 4 gig stick memory card (got an 8 gig stick on the way from Amazon-$14.99) or maybe??? Cube seems to work ok so far, alongside with Manila2D_1.00_1819.2926. I read about install problems and such with Manila if cube was installed, it's working fine for me.
3) When i make a contact memory, i notice it doesn't seem to hold the memory setting. As when i go back, they are all blank again "+"), is there possibly a file that needs a reg switch or is this just a bug? My favorite program links I set stay just fine though.
Again, thanks for any help on this guys. I am still reading and searching, and will keep an eye on this thread in case someone will hopefully answer this. And thanks again in advance.
Here's the deal. HTC Titan has only 64 Megs of RAM, ~25-27 of which are usable at bootup. This means a beautiful app such as M2D takes up its fair share of memory and CPU, causing intensive programs such as Opera Mobile to crash now and then.
If you want to make that sacrifice for a pretty, flowing interface, you will not be alone. Scrosler makes an excellent ROM [variant of DCD's 3.2.6] which I've found - over the course of a few weeks - very stable.
Again with the cube interface.. it's just pretty graphics and will eat up alot of precious memory once you get some intensive programs running. If you just want your phone to be impressive and fun - cool, go for it.
With respect to the contacts vanishing, that is a problem with the way your Windows Live is set up. To resolve it I think you must force the server to -not- attempt to sync your contacts. Also, use dotFred's PIM Backup [found in development & hacking] and you will be able to save your contacts, messages, tasks, etc. on a single backup file.
If you are going to get into flashing various ROMs, I suggest picking up UC Autorun. Had I used it from the start, I would have sliced off several days of reconfiguring.
I've read this numerous times. I consistently see people write that if one runs M2D, especially on scrosler's ROM, that one sacrifices memory and that's why opera and things have problems.
I disagree. Because the ROM already has so much free RAM, I have more memory running M2D on this ROM than I did running a stock ROM.
The R4R ROM, if one installs the HTC Task Manager, has EnableAutokill enabled by default. This is what's killing your apps when you start running low on memory. I recommend disabling it. There are instructions if you keep reading that thread. Or you can download my updates to this ROM, which are also linked to in the R4R thread. Maybe a couple more hours of reading and you'll get through the whole thread.
I disagree.
bitserve said:
I've read this numerous times. I consistently see people write that if one runs M2D, especially on scrosler's ROM, that one sacrifices memory and that's why opera and things have problems.
I disagree. Because the ROM already has so much free RAM, I have more memory running M2D on this ROM than I did running a stock ROM.
The R4R ROM, if one installs the HTC Task Manager, has EnableAutokill enabled by default. This is what's killing your apps when you start running low on memory. I recommend disabling it. There are instructions if you keep reading that thread. Or you can download my updates to this ROM, which are also linked to in the R4R thread. Maybe a couple more hours of reading and you'll get through the whole thread.
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I really appreciate the opinions and such for responses. That's helpfull to me. Today i removed the cube program, since i store the cab file on my 8 gig storage stick in case i want to dump it on, but also since a fair bit of what it does i can still also do with M2D anyway. Although yes it's cool looking, the main purpose can be done with M2d, and for the most part i now have "Free:18.70MB" of free available space from "Free: 10.24MB", almost doubled the amount of free memory space. As well as freeing up the space from "In Use:42MB" down to now being "In Use:34MB". So at least now programs aren't crashing.
Now things are working fine. I still need to mess with the contacts not saving, but program links are fine. Trying to understand about the mentioned how to possibly fix this with Windows Live and syncing. And also why touchflo still throws the 'Tap to load Touchflo' problem. Would flashing with this said 'Kitchen' ROM or the extra one include touchflo so it's always kind of running? This is the last 2 questions for me to work out, everything else i got going and understand already.

Titan Memory Hog

Greetings,
I need some help with getting my phone moving faster and save some memory because when I want to run YouTube or something that requires at least 10M memory I have to practically turn everything off or reset my phone. I am running a Titan XV6800 with a the Reloaded 1.3.4 ROM on it (Manilla infused).
I use some good programs to make it figure friendly and all purpose tools. This is currently showing in my Task Manager as running with me not doing anything. i.e. the phone is just sitting.
Filesys.exe - 5.23MB
device.exe - 5.19MB
Manila2D.exe - 3.25MB
gwes.exe - 2.64MB
GProfileSrv.exe - 2.25MB
cprog.exe - 2.01MB
services.exe - 1.72MB
s2u2.exe - 1.30MB
GQuickSwitch.exe - 0.98MB
repllog.exe - 884KB
shell32.exe - 724KB
FingerMsgbox.exe - 676KB
FingerMenu.exe - 664KB
tmail.exe - 620KB
connmgr.exe - 308KB
QuickMenu.exe - 272KB
taskmgr.exe - 244KB
HTC_HPrf.exe - 144KB
iLock2.exe - 144KB
FTouchSL.exe - 120KB
NK.exe 40.0KB
ciphase.exe 16.0
Now I need some help in figuring out how to speed this thing up because its becoming a real problem with memory. Any ideas?
You can turn off Manila 2D by going into start/settings/today and the items tab uncheck touchflo, and select other things.. Date. Messages. etc..
If that doesnt help do that plus install my Total Tune-UP cab. It will actually decrease the value Glyphcache from 32768 to my setting of 16384. It will give you other speed improvements while its at it including updated D3D driver and demo, but this should help a little for some free RAM as Titan Reloadeds ROM is set a little high for the TITAN's taste. I fixed that in my ROM release in this same forum. If you have cricket you can try it.
Should I only do this once or will it work like Oxis Memory?
It is permanent unless you uninstall it. Its a CAB file dude, its an installation. It changes registry keys for speed and such and installs a better D3D driver and a demo.
Oh ok great so I don't need to run anything other than the cab.
If you kill S2U2, that will free up some RAM.
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You can turn off Manila 2D by going into start/settings/today and the items tab uncheck touchflo, and select other things.. Date. Messages. etc..
If that doesnt help do that plus install my Total Tune-UP cab. It will actually decrease the value Glyphcache from 32768 to my setting of 16384. It will give you other speed improvements while its at it including updated D3D driver and demo, but this should help a little for some free RAM as Titan Reloadeds ROM is set a little high for the TITAN's taste. I fixed that in my ROM release in this same forum. If you have cricket you can try it.
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So for a verizon user will this cab you created crap out the device? Ok not crap it out but create problems when trying to use the verizon network?
RyanMogul6800 said:
You can turn off Manila 2D by going into start/settings/today and the items tab uncheck touchflo, and select other things.. Date. Messages. etc..
If that doesnt help do that plus install my Total Tune-UP cab. It will actually decrease the value Glyphcache from 32768 to my setting of 16384. It will give you other speed improvements while its at it including updated D3D driver and demo, but this should help a little for some free RAM as Titan Reloadeds ROM is set a little high for the TITAN's taste. I fixed that in my ROM release in this same forum. If you have cricket you can try it.
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So for a verizon user will this cab you created crap out the device? Ok not crap it out but create problems when trying to use the verizon network?
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Read the whole thing and dont jump to conclusions buddy. It says if you have CRICKET you can use My ROM<---do you even know the difference?
I posted the cab to help with the creator of the threads memory problems. Not to mess up someones phone settings that dont even apply. I was letting them know that my ROM fixes their particular problems and if they had CRICKET they could use it.

What Manila, Titanium, etc...

Ok, I've tried searching the forums to see what these are but I can't find the explanations. So, what is Manila, Titanium, Rhodium, PagePool? If there is a site with this info i'd appreciate it. Since I highly doubt Sprint will release Windows 6.5 for the Touch Pro (I hope they do though), I'm seriously thinking about flashing a custom ROM but before I do, I'm trying to do as much research as possible. Any and all help is appreciated.
any one??????
I am not an expert so maybe someone can give you a more detail explanations but here is what I know...
Manila is TouchFlo3D, it is a Tab based system that basically masks Windows Mobile. You can turn it off and use just windows mobile if you prefer.
Rhodium is TouchFlo3D2, it is similar just has a few enhancements. A couple additional tabs and a few extra features...Five day forecast, search internet, calendar...
Titanium is something developed by windows that is similar in function to TF3D but looks completely different. It allows you to operate your phone with your thumb, for the most part. I believe this only comes with WM6.5, not sure tho.
PagePool...I have no idea, never heard of it.
Thank You Gators, that cleared up lot of my confusion. Does anyone know detailed differences between them, and what is pagepool?
Pagepool I believe is an amount of the devices RAM that's set aside at boot for the pagefile (swap file) only. Usually I'm seeing 16-24MB for these lately, which really makes the phone fast, at the expense of having a few less programs open before it runs out of memory.

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