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Hey everyone,
I've been using a WM device for 2 years, a good and old KJAM and now the X7500. As you may have seen in my previous post, I'm going to use the X7500 as a UMPC together with my KJAM. I don't plan to ditch the KJAM, as I'm going to keep using it as my PDA and phone. The main purposes of the X7500 would be browsing (WIFI or HSDPA), watching movies, gaming and maybe some document editing.
I have to say, that I got lost trying searching and reading posts around here, and there seem to be a lot of confusion about many things, so I'm gonna ask some questions that I couldn't find one straight updated answer for. I know that these questions have been asked a lot of times, but as I said, there wasn't any clear answer for them (hopefully there is now).
1. I need a good, fast and reliable WM6/WM6.1 ROM. I don't need many features, just simple and as fast as possible. What do u recommend? By the way, if I flash another ROM will it change my device ID? I have bought a program that is registered to that specific device, and by changing the ID that program won't work.
2. BT mouse. how good does it work with the Athena? Will it slow down the system? Will it work with any program (esp. browsers)? How about connecting a USB mouse through the 4-in-1 cable, would it work?
3. Browser. We have a great device, amazing screen but I feel that no browser is good enough for it. I don't want anything fancy, but I want it to be fast and support tabbed browsing. Opera mini is fast enough, but it lacks an option to browse with XX% zoom out permanently like Opera, Netfront or even IE. All of the above are pretty good by the way, but they are simply too slow. Actually, I don't get that. Why are they so slow browsing with WIFI or 3.5G? Opera mini does the job faster, my desktop with the same connection does it faster, what's causing their lag? I found out that browsing through my desktop with LOGMEIN from the X7500 is even faster (but annoying).
Any browser that will hit the spot? Any way to speed things up?
4. Task manager. I want a program that will give me the multi-tasking capability of a desktop PC without slowing down the device. basically I need instant access to all the open programs in the same way the taskbar works on Windows. If the program will give me the option to choose whether to minimize or close a window, it would be better.
5. Printer. Can I plug a USB printer, or can I use only network/BT printers with the device?
6. Any other tips of-course would me most welcomed.
I hope you had the patience to read all of those questions, and maybe even more patience to answer them. Thanks a lot to everyone around here....
best rom? athena project 3. cannot be beaten. ther's a rule on here where theres no posting of roms allowed except project kitchen. This rom is made by people working all day on it, and a new version is released like every 3 months. because thats how long it takes to make it perfect. Im fairly sure the new one is being released this week. but dont quote me on that.
You named all the browsers anyone would suggest, so I cant really recommend anything.
For taskbar id say use wisbar if you need loads of features and skinnable taskbar along with cascading start menu like real windows, or wktask for just sortof tabbed taskbar. wktask is embedded into the rom I mentioned.
hope this helps
Rory
rorydaredkign said:
best rom? athena project 3. cannot be beaten. ther's a rule on here where theres no posting of roms allowed except project kitchen. This rom is made by people working all day on it, and a new version is released like every 3 months. because thats how long it takes to make it perfect. Im fairly sure the new one is being released this week. but dont quote me on that.
You named all the browsers anyone would suggest, so I cant really recommend anything.
For taskbar id say use wisbar if you need loads of features and skinnable taskbar along with cascading start menu like real windows, or wktask for just sortof tabbed taskbar. wktask is embedded into the rom I mentioned.
hope this helps
Rory
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First of all, thanks a lot for your comment. I don't really understand what you mean by no ROM postings allowed around here. If I want a lighter ROM than Athena Project, and afraid to cook myself one, I'm out of luck? nobody can even publish their cooked versions of the AP ROMs?
There is no rule like that at all.
If you decide to cook a ROM, feel free to post it. The Athena Project do some great work, but they don't own these public forums.
i dont want to argue about it , but if that's the case, then why is there only one cooked rom avalable? plus check the sticky called proj ct kitchen to see where i got the impression that you cant.
Rory
kramerica2 said:
1. I need a good, fast and reliable WM6/WM6.1 ROM. I don't need many features, just simple and as fast as possible. What do u recommend? By the way, if I flash another ROM will it change my device ID? I have bought a program that is registered to that specific device, and by changing the ID that program won't work.
2. BT mouse. how good does it work with the Athena? Will it slow down the system? Will it work with any program (esp. browsers)? How about connecting a USB mouse through the 4-in-1 cable, would it work?
3. Browser. We have a great device, amazing screen but I feel that no browser is good enough for it. I don't want anything fancy, but I want it to be fast and support tabbed browsing. Opera mini is fast enough, but it lacks an option to browse with XX% zoom out permanently like Opera, Netfront or even IE. All of the above are pretty good by the way, but they are simply too slow. Actually, I don't get that. Why are they so slow browsing with WIFI or 3.5G? Opera mini does the job faster, my desktop with the same connection does it faster, what's causing their lag? I found out that browsing through my desktop with LOGMEIN from the X7500 is even faster (but annoying).
Any browser that will hit the spot? Any way to speed things up?
4. Task manager. I want a program that will give me the multi-tasking capability of a desktop PC without slowing down the device. basically I need instant access to all the open programs in the same way the taskbar works on Windows. If the program will give me the option to choose whether to minimize or close a window, it would be better.
5. Printer. Can I plug a USB printer, or can I use only network/BT printers with the device?
6. Any other tips of-course would me most welcomed.
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1) I will suggest PK3.0 as the fastest IMHO, we are waiting the new WM6.1 (4.0 release) The .NET re-designed will improve the speed as is happening in many other ROMs. We are waiting also the results of the Athena Team tuning: wait the WM6.1 may be in the next week.
I have increased the speed using MEMMAID, (www.dinarsoft.com) as mantainance and optimizzation tool. The rom's speed depends only from chef choices for the first start but later is related to many other things. Manteinance is the best way to keep it fast
1b) Device ID changed? may be not, we will see...
2) I use a wired optical mouse and it works just as is supposed to do
3) opera 9.5 is fast, the beta is out and it is finger friendly and fast . Netfront 3.5 is fast too, I chose Opera
4) wktask is part of PK rom, you can download it here http://soft.photoracer.net/docs/wktask_en.html and it does exactly what you need
5) Yes, BT or network, having jetcet print
ROM cooking is free and WELCOMED here!
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i dont want to argue about it , but if that's the case, then why is there only one cooked rom avalable?
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There are a couple of others floating around if you search hard enough.
But the Athena Project roms are so good, everyone seems to use them.
fair enough mate. I have been reading the athena forums for abut 3 months, and never seen any other rom... theres so few posts daily, im sure I would have noticed
Rory
rorydaredkign said:
fair enough mate. I have been reading the athena forums for abut 3 months, and never seen any other rom... theres so few posts daily, im sure I would have noticed
Rory
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This is the 6.1 porting from Kaiser I think.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363542
I think a lot of the browser slowness is down to windows mobile itself. Not sure why. Even the Opera Mini Java midlet is faster on the Symbian OS than on Windows Mobile. Netfront and Opera 9.5 are big improvements on what was available last year though, and Opera will no doubt have a few tweaks before its official release. No Flash or Java add-ons though still
Apparently someone has already managed to play youtube with Opera. Not sure if it is true as he has not responded to request for the cab file yet.
edit: This gentleman gave an update. He had earlier managed to make it work by editing the axobjects.ini file to effect the following changes:
[Shockwave Flash]
CLSID={EB8B5B8E-EDB9-4180-9E2E-F8F1632DC171} #FlashLite RAC;/\\ (M
Alias={D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000} #Flash (desktop)
Description=Macromedia Flash Player 7.0 Y8jt_XD;Z
FileExtents=swf|spl|flv
MIMEType = application/x-shockwave-flash|application/futuresplash I_hAgk 04
FileOpenName=Adobe Flash movie (*.swf)|FutureSplash movie (*.spl)|Adobe Flash Paper (*.mfp)|Adobe Flash Paper (*.flv)
Allow=Url|Embed|Object|Scripts
He had posted some screen capture of his earlier success, but found that subsequently it stopped working mysteriously. Anyway, he also said that he is sure when FL3 (instead of Flash player 7) is avaialble this would work.
The trouble is, will adobe release a FL3 for winmo platform...
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The above works. Make sure you have installed flash player 7 and make the above edit to the ini file.
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Apparently someone has already managed to play youtube with Opera. Not sure if it is true as he has not responded to request for the cab file yet.
edit: This gentleman gave an update. He had earlier managed to make it work by editing the axobjects.ini file to effect the following changes:
[Shockwave Flash]
CLSID={EB8B5B8E-EDB9-4180-9E2E-F8F1632DC171} #FlashLite RAC;/\\ (M
Alias={D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000} #Flash (desktop)
Description=Macromedia Flash Player 7.0 Y8jt_XD;Z
FileExtents=swf|spl|flv
MIMEType = application/x-shockwave-flash|application/futuresplash I_hAgk 04
FileOpenName=Adobe Flash movie (*.swf)|FutureSplash movie (*.spl)|Adobe Flash Paper (*.mfp)|Adobe Flash Paper (*.flv)
Allow=Url|Embed|Object|Scripts
He had posted some screen capture of his earlier success, but found that subsequently it stopped working mysteriously. Anyway, he also said that he is sure when FL3 (instead of Flash player 7) is avaialble this would work.
The trouble is, will adobe release a FL3 for winmo platform...
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The above works. Make sure you have installed flash player 7 and make the above edit to the ini file.
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It's very jerky though. Still better off with the flash plugin. There's an application called EMTube on Symbian devices, would be nice to see it on winmo as it allows access to all the youtube Videos at high quality without loading up the browser at all. There's the Vtap application but that always seemed a bit stodgy to me.
On the subject of Fl3.0 you may have a long wait yet - it's still only been integrated into the N95 8gb, don't know what Adobe are playing at with the rollout for this - it was released as a developers' testing package over five months ago, at this rate someone's going to develop a workaround that screws them over: I HOPE AND PRAY!
That's why there was no excitement in my post.It's not really watchable.
I would still prefer to use PIE with TCPMP to download it first then watch it.
Hello,
I have been using the HTC WM6 ROM HERE and its been great. I wanted a basic ROM with no whistles and bows to get used to the device. Mine had the T-Mobile ROM on, nothing wrong with it but the phone dialer and theme are awful in my view. I tried both opera and net 3.5 and both show great promise, but they aren't ready yet. I ended up just getting one of the IE addon's that hanango do, fine for now. interesting to hear about the things you can use through the USB port. Ive been using the universal and stuff like that doesn't work on it. I think I need to go back and read up more!
Take care
Jay
I've had some "conversations" with others about how the stock VZW roms, at least with the applications I use, are noticeably faster than the dcd roms (I have nothing against the dcd roms - they are great). This includes the original stock rom and the new updated rom.
So last night I decided to stay up late to do some benchmark testing with the updated rom and the dcd 3.2.6 rom - let me just say that it blew trying to do this since I had already updated to the new vzw rom and had to go through that entire "hell" process in getting it all "fixed" in order to get the dcd rom installed.
Anyway, needless to say, I forgot to save the benchmark logs, both times, before flashing (thats what happens when you are tired). Now you are probably wondering "what good then does this thread serve" - I'll tell you.
I used the application SKTools for the testing - in doing so, that was the only application installed on the device and testing proceeded AFTER all the sktools optimization and tweaks were run.
Without hardcore numbers, here are my usage impressions:
SKTools did very little to improve the performance of the updated stock vzw rom. There was an improvement, but not enough to justify spending money on the application (it isnt free, but comes with a trial period).
SKTools, however, SIGNIFICANTLY sped up the performance (and even freed some extra memory) of the DCD rom to the point where the dcd rom is now noticeably faster than the stock rom (again, I've had different experiences than other users, but I know I'm not alone). To be sure, I then installed a bunch of applications I generally use and saw no noticeable decrease in performance with the DCD Rom after running SKTools. I continue to run certain programs within SKTools in order to keep the dcd rom in top shape.
The program is not free (http://s-k-tools.com/index.html?sktools/m_feat.html) but it comes with a time-limited trial version, enough time to optimize and tweak the device to its top performance.
I'm going to continue to test both roms (its going to be a long weekend of flashing and calling tech support) but wanted to offer this up for others to take a look into and post their impressions.
Post benchmarks please Numbers don't lie..
Yes, and also, since I also have SKTools, please post exactly what you did with SKTools to increase performance. There is a lot of tweaks and options in SKTools so users (like me) need to know which ones you picked to increase the performance.
Chimp (Tom)
SimpTheChimp said:
Yes, and also, since I also have SKTools, please post exactly what you did with SKTools to increase performance. There is a lot of tweaks and options in SKTools so users (like me) need to know which ones you picked to increase the performance.
Chimp (Tom)
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All of them
Honestly, I ran every performance enhancement and tweak that SKTools allowed
I havent played around with it yet as to whether running all of them are necessary but it sure didnt hurt anything.
As for benchmark numbers - I'm going to have to think about it. Getting that would require going through the entire official VZW upgrade and then downgrade process to get back to where I can run dcd roms since I know for a fact that after the performance enhancements, the dcd will run faster.
It almost doesnt pay to even try to get numbers - more like a "trust me", after running sktools performance enhancements and tweaks with a dcd rom, you'll love it
I can, though, get numbers for the current dcd rom - if someone that has the vzw mr1 update installed wants to get those numbers we can post both
I'll see what I can do this weekend
Yes, and also, since I also have SKTools, please post exactly what you did with SKTools to increase performance. There is a lot of tweaks and options in SKTools so users (like me) need to know which ones you picked to increase the performance.
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yes pleasy, tell us what you did in sktools... i bought the program and i hardly used it... i want to take advantage of all the tweaks it can take...
thanks man!!!
agreed... more detail on what you did in SKtools other then "everything" so the novice user like my self may benifit from the the programs enhancements. other wise this thread is useless
Well let's see...
Under "System Tweaks":
a) Choose "Optimize" and run all the available options. I'm not going to list each one - just run them all. Also, since I only have the trial I could only choose the 6 options they presented but it helped tremendously. I'll probably purchase the program but am holding off for right now
b) Choose "Clean Up" and run "Invalid Registry Entries" and "Invalid Registry Values" Then run "Registry Optimizer"
c) Choose "Maintenance" and run "Windows Startup" - delete all the programs you dont want to run at startup (frees up memory)
Then I ran the FreeUP Ram program (part of sktools but installed seperately) to, well, free up RAM. I run this program occassionally to help with performance.
Thats all I did and saw a huge improvement in the dcd 3.2.6 rom performance. If you have the registered version of SKTools, you will be able to choose more options than what I presented here. Whether it will help further is not known since I couldnt try it.
deeznuts: When you picked the optimize function, which check mark did you have selected? If you click the Action buttion on the lower left, one of the selections (Performance, Memory, Stability, Maximum Memory) should be checked.
Which one did you use?
Chimp (Tom)
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deeznuts: When you picked the optimize function, which check mark did you have selected? If you click the Action buttion on the lower left, one of the selections (Performance, Memory, Stability, Maximum Memory) should be checked.
Which one did you use?
Chimp (Tom)
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Performance - I think that is the default
Its possible that using different profiles on a dcd rom than on the vzw official update rom will produce similar performance between the two but I only experimented with the performance profile on both roms. Quite frankly, I'm happy now with the dcd rom and no longer see a reason to go back to the vzw rom. I also dont have the time or patience to experiment with all the different profiles on both roms - if someone wants to give it a go, be my guest.
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Well let's see...
Under "System Tweaks":
b) Choose "Clean Up" and run "Invalid Registry Entries" and "Invalid Registry Values" Then run "Registry Optimizer"
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I did that with 3.25 and HHC and another program which I can't remember did not function until I reinstalled it.
I use DinarSoft's Memaid and have it optimized for speed and I have not looked back since.
I didn't notice any increase in performance whatsoever, matter of fact seems a little slower to me, I think DCD has spent enough time with this device that he has it very optimized to begin with, I find it hard to beleive that a "generic" program could possibly increase performance any further than the personal attention and knowledge dcd has put into optimizing his rom.
I've found that SKTools slows down the performance and can lead to registry errors and instability. No thanks.
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I've found that SKTools slows down the performance and can lead to registry errors and instability. No thanks.
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yes, if you dont know what you are doing and just arbitrarily delete things that the program tells you are "okay" to delete.
Its not for complete noobs - if you dont know what you are doing you can mess up your device. The program is an advance tweak program - not for your average user to just click here and there and then click "go!" with the hope that all will be well.
Its no different than playing around with a kitchen or flashing a custom rom - if you dont know what you are doing, you will run into problems.
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I didn't notice any increase in performance whatsoever, matter of fact seems a little slower to me, I think DCD has spent enough time with this device that he has it very optimized to begin with, I find it hard to beleive that a "generic" program could possibly increase performance any further than the personal attention and knowledge dcd has put into optimizing his rom.
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Depending on what you did, your results may be different. I found a significant improvement with dcd's rom after running a few of the system tweaks.
And unless anyone actually did re-coding of files, no rom is going to be "optimized". Optimization is more than just leaving out unnecessary files and/or putting in newer versions. Programs like sktools actually change system settings for the os, which usually are not easily changeable without getting into the root of the system and re-coding system files after installation, deeply modifying the regsitry, or re-coding the install files prior to installation. I doubt anyone is doing most of these with their roms.
But again, depending on what you do with these programs, your results will vary - play around, its easy to fix if something goes wrong (which it shouldnt)
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yes, if you dont know what you are doing and just arbitrarily delete things that the program tells you are "okay" to delete.
Its not for complete noobs - if you dont know what you are doing you can mess up your device. The program is an advance tweak program - not for your average user to just click here and there and then click "go!" with the hope that all will be well.
Its no different than playing around with a kitchen or flashing a custom rom - if you dont know what you are doing, you will run into problems.
Depending on what you did, your results may be different. I found a significant improvement with dcd's rom after running a few of the system tweaks.
And unless anyone actually did re-coding of files, no rom is going to be "optimized". Optimization is more than just leaving out unnecessary files and/or putting in newer versions. Programs like sktools actually change system settings for the os, which usually are not easily changeable without getting into the root of the system and re-coding system files after installation, deeply modifying the regsitry, or re-coding the install files prior to installation. I doubt anyone is doing most of these with their roms.
But again, depending on what you do with these programs, your results will vary - play around, its easy to fix if something goes wrong (which it shouldnt)
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Quite the opposite. Noobs might need a program like SKTools to guide you around WM6 but more knowledgeable users have the ability to edit the registry correctly on their own.
If SKTools works for you, I'd suggest sticking with it and not attempting any manual registry editing on your own.
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Quite the opposite. Noobs might need a program like SKTools to guide you around WM6 but more knowledgeable users have the ability to edit the registry correctly on their own.
If SKTools works for you, I'd suggest sticking with it and not attempting any manual registry editing on your own.
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Please dont assume you know me or what I am capable of doing. I'm well rehearsed in file system modification, thank you very much. That doesnt mean that using programs like SKtools are useless. Nor does it mean that anyone can use it - you still need to understand what the changes mean and what they will end up doing. I would never tell a "noob" to just click on anything in the program. I only suggested that here since folks on this forum are not your typical user.
If you dont like the program, fine. I found it to be a great help hence the reason for posting.
I wonder if dcd uses this program when building his own roms...
In my experience I've found the following:
DCD has tweaked the hell out of these roms for performance. I'm sure he hasn’t performed every tweak possible.. but he's done a lot.
Programs like Tweaks2k2 and SKtools when run across the board may in fact undo many of the tweaks performed by DCD. Because they are designed to work off of the stock settings.
For example DCD may have tweaked some Cache setting entry in the registry from 4K to 16K because he found the performance to be best... A program Like SK tools may change that to 8k, Because 8k would normally improve performance over the default 4k setting.
Also.. those of you who do a full backup (including the Registry) Then install a DCD rom, then restore may have also overwritten DCD default tweaks. So a Tool like this could increase performance for you… more than someone who didn’t perform a restore.
When you install a DCD Rom, you should re-install your software either manually or with an automated tool.. restoring from backup is probably not the best idea because you risk losing the latest performance tweaks. This is the cause of LOTS of the people reporting that "this or that" isn't working on theirs... but it works on everyone elses... They overwrote it.
You are better off finding these tweaks, going into the Reg and seeing what you HAVE vs what the tweak says will perform better… you may already be optimized or MORE optimized than the tool would make you.
In the end it's really about individual user preference and how you use your device. As we see in this thread for some the tools are great, for others.. not so good.
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Depending on what you did, your results may be different. I found a significant improvement with dcd's rom after running a few of the system tweaks.
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Honestly, I ran every performance enhancement and tweak that SKTools allowed
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Okay, so you can't recall or won't post any specifics of what tweaks you did and you said earlier you did ALL the tweaks SKT offers, then you say "a few of the system tweaks." Of course, "depending on what you did" doesn't jive at all with "Honestly, I ran every ..... tweak..." IF you got improved results after SKT, you should surely recall something. What was the original result vs the improved? You can't recall how much improvement, but it was "significant." You can't recall ANY real benchmark results and you "lost the log files both times." How convenient.
Previously we witnessed your unwillingness in another thread to list ANY of your specific software (even when I sent you a private message) which you said runs better on a stock VZW ROM vs DCD. Claims that can't be tested, of course, are very convenient.
Skepticism about someone's motives and truthfulness result from making unverifiable, undocumented claims. Do yourself a favor and post some specifics.
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And unless anyone actually did re-coding of files, no rom is going to be "optimized". Optimization is more than just leaving out unnecessary files and/or putting in newer versions. Programs like sktools actually change system settings for the os, which usually are not easily changeable without getting into the root of the system and re-coding system files after installation, deeply modifying the registry, or re-coding the install files prior to installation. I doubt anyone is doing most of these with their roms.
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WOW..
First: SKtools is NOT "Recoding files" All SKtools does is make registry changes for performance.. thats it! And those are pretty easy if you know how to use a registry editor.. (the registry is where those "System settings for the OS" are that you are talking about)
Second.. Thats the point of a DCD rom.. when you install a DCD rom The tweaks that he's tested are already there. He's building a rom that has more features and performs better than stock. He's not just some hack who is removing things.. He's recompiling the entire rom. I'm not sure to what extent DCD actually recodes any files... but I DO know that he includes custom files that others may have made / recoded.
The fact that you would even suggest that SKtools has the ABILITY to do more than DCD or GC14 or any other experienced mobile developer takes the gold medal for dumbest thing I've heard this month.
i've tried
honestly i've tried those programs and i believe while they are tweaking some things they undo some of the stuff that dcd has done to make the rom work like it does. All i use its tweaks2k2 for a few options that i really like but no more sktools for me
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EDIT: As Michy has asked for graphics requests, he apparently already has something in mind for his 5.2 / 6.0. Yea! So be sure to post with any requests as to what you want the next ROM to look like.
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You have to hand it to Michy. 4.1 and 5.1 are both fast, smooth, and (almost completely) trouble-free ROMs with tons of useful programs. And for both SPLs!
To tell the truth, until I flashed 4.1, I had regretted HardSPLing my device. Most of the ROMs I tried up until then were troublesome and just as slow as my stock WM6.0.
So in a way, this post is thanks to Michy. Gran bel lavoro Michy!
In another way, it is a request for something new. I know I am not the only one on this forum that gets nervous if he hasn't flashed a new ROM this month... I'm feeling the itch! I need my fix!
Anyway, thought it might be interesting to see what kind of ROM people wanted. Give your vote and comments please.
hi,
please just add your graphic-style request, so i can have an idea for a 5.2/6.0.
bye
Michael,
Good to see you are considering a new rom. In truth your 5.1 seems flawless and it's hard to imagine how much better you can make it. Thanks for your great work.
One suggestion I would give to make your next ROM easier to understand is: if you are going to include lots of apps like you usually do, it might be a good idea to put them in folders in the start menu according to their usage.
A Multimedia folder could contain YouTube Player, TCPMP, MP3Trimmer, Camera, Audio Manager, and Album links.
VoipCall, Slick, Messenger, Fring, Flash SMS, Call Firewall and others could be grouped in a Communications folder.
And some things like FTouchFlo, GSen CFG, GSen, GSenToggle, IContactConfig, PDM, PocketScreen, PIM Backup, PsShutXP, QuickGPS, RegEditor, SIM Manager, SynchroTime etc, etc, could easily be put in the Tools folder you usually include.
By doing this, you allow the person using the ROM to have easier access to the programs that they install. Because people are more likely to frequently use the programs that they install, rather than ones that come pre-installed.
Another suggestion is about the applications you include with your ROMs. I think I understand your logic in including lots of apps: the space is there in the ROM, so you might as well use it as long as the apps don't degrade performance. That's strong logic, and I agree with it. My suggestion is to only include apps that have reached a developmental dead-end; i.e. apps that are stable, and are no longer currently being developed. For example TCPMP, VNCViewer, and DotFred's Task Manager aren't updated very frequently - they make perfect additions to your ROM. Other apps, like YouTube, Manila 2D/3D, S2U2, ThrottleLauncher etc, are still in active development and can/should be updated from time to time. It is possible to update and install over the apps in the ROM, but then you have just wasted that space in the ROM.
As far as graphics are concerned, I am of two minds.
1) I have always really liked the touch/kaiser grey-on-white-with-blue-highlights. Very professional.
2) However, recently I have flashed my Hermes with PDACorner's Pro V.25 and I really appreciate the usefulness of the colors he uses in his status bar. Colors like that would really be useful against the flat black bars of the DiamondVGA.tsk you always include... They take a little getting used to, but make it really easy to know what is going on with your phone with simply a glance.
And this is a light and robust little Comm Manager that looks great with the skin in post eight.
And as always, thanks for your consideration. I wish I had the time, patience and talent to build such ROMs.
Not much more to add from my side, thanks larsuck!
- Make it as fast as possible without losing 5.1 stability
- Ahm...make both startup gifs like the ones from AP4.0, just with your name (I know, plagiate, but it looks great)
- Real-VGA, all programs/thumbnails should work and look according to chosen dpi, especially with 128dpi (seems to be the best choice)
- Remove time&date permanently from taskbar, so that all buttons can be seen and clicked without problems
- In short: please make it look like the original x7510 screen
Program wishes: maybe some program for real contacts import/export with edit-function on PC, I'm currently using xmlcontactsbackup but perhaps there are better choices.
Many thanks
just to renew my ROMs, i'm going to make a 5.1 Last Build Edition, with the last build i found on xda (20921). If this build will work well.......you'll have a new rom to falsh
There we go again weare just a bunch of rom addicts,lol, so far I been playing wit 5.1 is nice and respond qick only problems found so far is the bluetooth stack, (if the new build has something as AP4 Ill be in heaven) and Slic if I try to use it will give a BSD with a message saying fatal system exception or something, that was funny because it was the first time I have seen a BSD in WM, no a biggie for my I just do not use the app .
The programs included are useful but I rather get rid of duplicates e.g if you think icontact is better than stock contact manager get rid of the stock one( Im not complaining on that ,you have done a good job there so far).
the graphics just keep them consistent across the rom e.g not a black today a green communications and a white phone screen.
And if touchflow 3D was included working reliably that would be a plus.
Larsuck mention below to add mature apps only to the rom, I do not agree, why, because we will flash to newer roms during the development of the app so if a rom has the latest opera and a newer one appear we will have a newer rom sooner with the newer opera or whatever anyway, and because when a app reach its end of development time usually means that there are newer apps better and so its no point to keep developing the oldest ones ( not always the case) so as long the apps in the rom are solid stable just include what you think is useful.
Great job Michi and many thanks
I ask for two things...but only one is possible me thinks.
If you could get hootgaming working on your next rom, now that would be something. Something tells me it won't be possible as getting hold of the client .cab for winmob seems rather difficult.
Back in reality...I tend to use Claunch on my today screen as it works well but the only buttons that are any good tend to be based on the Iphone. Any app like this with an original button interface would be fantastic.
Keep up the good work.
I am a little overwelmed which how much stuff you can hack up or modify with this compared to my Compaq iPaq I had about 9-10 years ago. I could really use some help with a few questions. My 1st post here, and i am going to try not to be a newbie, i do a lot of developing with FoFiX, and XBMC skins, and know what it's like to get newb's asking questions already answered. But i have searched and read for 9 hours straight now and just confused still about a few things. If anyone doesn't mind answering these and just had some time, I would really appreaciate the help.
I already messed around with trying out the other home alternative, and iPhone clone, and after playing around since with the manila/TouchFlo, so far it's the best one out with being skinable and also is smoothest and nicest looking, with easiest finger touch control. So i am now wanting to learn as much as i can. I'm by far no stranger to MOD'ing stuff , so i mostly understand the dAnGeR's and terminology. I am already going to start converting an XBMC skin i co-develop ('Back-Row') for ever one to use. I do a good bot of all the graphics for it, and doing all the work to update it for 1900x1080 realms.
1) Currently i am using Manila2D_1.00_1819.2926 for now, and still can't quite figure out about the differences of using either 'kitchen' or 'Loaded' manilla ROM files. I am gathering from reading that this allows you to replace your current rom with another ROM that already has manilla inside/cooked so you are running it directly, as part of the overall OS, thus saving internal memory, allowing certain problems from happening. Like it here and there switches programs (opera) back to the touchflo screen, as well as it prompting "Tap here to start Touchflo" and having to do this every here and there.
2) The touchflo 3d isn't available yet, and possible/definitely wouldn't run on a HTC Mogul (64megs internal, 1?? storage), 4 gig stick memory card (got an 8 gig stick on the way from Amazon-$14.99) or maybe??? Cube seems to work ok so far, alongside with Manila2D_1.00_1819.2926. I read about install problems and such with Manila if cube was installed, it's working fine for me.
3) When i make a contact memory, i notice it doesn't seem to hold the memory setting. As when i go back, they are all blank again "+"), is there possibly a file that needs a reg switch or is this just a bug? My favorite program links I set stay just fine though.
Again, thanks for any help on this guys. I am still reading and searching, and will keep an eye on this thread in case someone will hopefully answer this. And thanks again in advance.
Here's the deal. HTC Titan has only 64 Megs of RAM, ~25-27 of which are usable at bootup. This means a beautiful app such as M2D takes up its fair share of memory and CPU, causing intensive programs such as Opera Mobile to crash now and then.
If you want to make that sacrifice for a pretty, flowing interface, you will not be alone. Scrosler makes an excellent ROM [variant of DCD's 3.2.6] which I've found - over the course of a few weeks - very stable.
Again with the cube interface.. it's just pretty graphics and will eat up alot of precious memory once you get some intensive programs running. If you just want your phone to be impressive and fun - cool, go for it.
With respect to the contacts vanishing, that is a problem with the way your Windows Live is set up. To resolve it I think you must force the server to -not- attempt to sync your contacts. Also, use dotFred's PIM Backup [found in development & hacking] and you will be able to save your contacts, messages, tasks, etc. on a single backup file.
If you are going to get into flashing various ROMs, I suggest picking up UC Autorun. Had I used it from the start, I would have sliced off several days of reconfiguring.
I've read this numerous times. I consistently see people write that if one runs M2D, especially on scrosler's ROM, that one sacrifices memory and that's why opera and things have problems.
I disagree. Because the ROM already has so much free RAM, I have more memory running M2D on this ROM than I did running a stock ROM.
The R4R ROM, if one installs the HTC Task Manager, has EnableAutokill enabled by default. This is what's killing your apps when you start running low on memory. I recommend disabling it. There are instructions if you keep reading that thread. Or you can download my updates to this ROM, which are also linked to in the R4R thread. Maybe a couple more hours of reading and you'll get through the whole thread.
I disagree.
bitserve said:
I've read this numerous times. I consistently see people write that if one runs M2D, especially on scrosler's ROM, that one sacrifices memory and that's why opera and things have problems.
I disagree. Because the ROM already has so much free RAM, I have more memory running M2D on this ROM than I did running a stock ROM.
The R4R ROM, if one installs the HTC Task Manager, has EnableAutokill enabled by default. This is what's killing your apps when you start running low on memory. I recommend disabling it. There are instructions if you keep reading that thread. Or you can download my updates to this ROM, which are also linked to in the R4R thread. Maybe a couple more hours of reading and you'll get through the whole thread.
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I really appreciate the opinions and such for responses. That's helpfull to me. Today i removed the cube program, since i store the cab file on my 8 gig storage stick in case i want to dump it on, but also since a fair bit of what it does i can still also do with M2D anyway. Although yes it's cool looking, the main purpose can be done with M2d, and for the most part i now have "Free:18.70MB" of free available space from "Free: 10.24MB", almost doubled the amount of free memory space. As well as freeing up the space from "In Use:42MB" down to now being "In Use:34MB". So at least now programs aren't crashing.
Now things are working fine. I still need to mess with the contacts not saving, but program links are fine. Trying to understand about the mentioned how to possibly fix this with Windows Live and syncing. And also why touchflo still throws the 'Tap to load Touchflo' problem. Would flashing with this said 'Kitchen' ROM or the extra one include touchflo so it's always kind of running? This is the last 2 questions for me to work out, everything else i got going and understand already.
Hey guys,
I'm a noob because I have just joined and not an experienced Sprint Mogul or Titan user/ developer so please go easy on me (explain in detail) and excuse any "duuh questions" that I might have. I have a Sprint Mogul/ Titan PPC and had downloaded (is currently removed) Opera Mobile 9.5 Beta Explorer. I was very impressed with its easy-to-use interface and its wicked full page/ desktop view on websites. I deleted it thoroughly because it kept saying OUT OF MEMORY. That really pissed me off because I deleted just about everything necessary and kept saying that and even when I went to Task Manager to turn off the process it still said it! It messed everything up and I would be glad to get some help. I looked around at forums and it talked about making "New ROM directories thingees and making new Kitchens, etc." If you can, please explain what the heck that is and what I should do to get Opera Mobile up and running flawlessly. It also said things about making everything run smoother with no lag so that's interesting.Thank you so much! Please be kind with the comments, suggestions, advice, etc.
Also, I have Manilla2D (still working on errors and need help with that too) installed along with S2U2 IphoneLock.
I've given up on opera 9.5 till I see someone with this phone have success with it. I'm assuming you installed one of the versions that has no uninstall? A trick I used in the past was to install v8.65, let it over write the 9.5 files, then uninstall it. You might want to check out Skyfire and Opera Mini. Personally, I use Opera Mini for general browsing because it's fast and formats well along with Opera 8.65 when I need to download something. Skyfire shows promise with flash support, but it's beta, the d/l ability is poor, it sometimes hangs and is slower than mini. I've played with Manilla and SPB Mobile Shell, but I'm currently having fun with ThrottleLauncher. It's way more configurable than Manilla, a little lighter on the memory than Manilla and way lighter than Mobile Shell and with Gsmart skin, very powerful. It does take quite a bit of tweaking to get it just right though.
A ROM kitchen is a software suite used to create a custom ROM for the phone. This allows you to add the features you want and avoid some of the junk that Sprint/Verizon/Altell/HTC add. The WIKI explains things well. Don't forget to look at the "stickies" at the top of this page too.