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DISCLAIMER - I am just putting this in here so that if anyone gets any funny ideas ... Whatever you read/use in this How-TO Post is at your own RISK. The aim of this post is to help others who had the same issues as me when they were abroad ... and were stuck without a mobile Running MGLDR 1.13 and DFT stock ROM (WP7) and a USB cable but no other chargers ... If the OS doesn't boot you WON'T manage to charge via USB UNLESS you follow this HOW TO GUIDE (it's the ONLY ALTERNATIVE YOU HAVE OTHER THAN BUYING A CRADLE CHARGER) ... it WORKS 100% but I am fed up of finnicky people emailing /posting / trying to play the "experts" on the matter when they know nothing about the matter
Dear all
After going through all sorts of Registry fixes which were momentary in nature. I decided to find a viable alternative which does in actual fact work with all current WP7 builds and all MGLDR's provided with a USB Storage option.
It has been said that the WP7 Software does not charge the battery to its full potential. I also incidentally ran into the problem of charging the mobile when the battery died. Primarily because the mobile loads ... restarts ... loads ... restarts and you keep on "praying" until the OS boots to get it charged.
Alternative fixes so far which worked for me were:
- Adding android to your SD Card ..booting in android and charging it in android mode
- Charging it in Cradle Charger
- Some people even pulled out 2 wires from a USB cable (+ve and -ve) to get their phone on again (crazy and dangerious)
- MGLDR 1.12 hangs when trying to charge mobile while it is off.
- MGLDR 1.13 reboots (as a momentary fix) in order to avoid the hanging caused in 1.12
Problem is
- I can't stand the fact that we have to have 2 OS'es to get it charged properly
- I can't stand the fact the we have to remove the battery in order to get it charged externally via cradle charger
So we have to adapt to the present circumstances unfortunately. If nothing, and the fix does not give you more battery life, this method avoids you from
- buying/carrying a cradle charger with you when abroad.
- having a dual boot system (WP7 / Android) on your phone
- making you do crazy/quick fixes such as the USB cable thingy mentioned above ... (don't try it)
no need for anything of that!
HOW TO:
So in a nutshell if you drained your battery too much and don't have a cradle charger ... with the added bonus that you may get improved battery life out of WP7 is the following.
- Boot into MGLDR setup menu (hold the end call button at start up)
- Boot your mobile and hold the "End Call button" to go into the MGLDR setup screen.
- Choose USB Storage menu
- METHOD A - Let the mobile Charge for 6 hours (typically overnight would be ideal) (Note: It will not over-charge and it will not damage your battery.
OR
- METHOD B - Charge the mobile for 4 hours (to keep mobile on overnight) and charge the last hour in usb-mass storage mode. This has the added benefit that you do not get your screen on for a long time. This will not damage your battery and those of you who are worried about over-charge can go for this alternative and not take any risks.
- NOTE that you will NOT get the charging indicator ON in this mode. PRECISELY that's the whole point of charging in this mode, the battery will charge to its fullest as it is not under the influence of the WP7 software. It is like as if you put the battery in a cradle charger and charged it outside.
- When you wake up ... hit the back button to go to main menu and choose RESET option to reboot your mobile : ) and voila!
RESULTS:
- I got improved battery life charging the mobile in this MODE. I got 36 hrs + of battery life (normal usage) which is very good.
ADDED BENEFIT: QUICKFIX FOR DEAD BATTERY - NO CRADLE CHARGER - NO DUAL BOOT
- There seems to be mixed feelings about this as some of the readers have reported no discenable difference in battery performance. While I will not contradict these people, I got improved longevity from the HD2's battery. Clearly the OS is reporting the battery level badly. If NOTHING this method still serves as a quick fix
- if you drained your battery and cannot get your HD2 on again
AND
- You Do not own a cradle charger
- Registry did not work for me.
SETTINGS - WHICH IMPROVE BATTERY LIFE:
- You can optimise settings as follows in order to get my same results, again I hear many of you not wanting this as it turns of features from their PDA but as I said above, we have to adapt for the time being:
Settings are -
- ROM DFT Stock ROM original build (issued 13/01/2011)
- Radio 2.15
- Screen timeout 30 seconds
- Screen brightness set to auto
- Wifi turned off (on only when needed)
- Bluetooth turned off (on only when needed)
- Location turned off (on only when needed)
- Data Connection turned off (on only when needing to check mail)
- Email sync turned off (not every 30 mins)
- 3g turned ON - UPDATED - I got better battery life with 3G ON but this may change from country to country so I suggest that you have a go with 3G being ON or OFF and see which is better for you....)
IF YOU USE THIS POST - HIT THE THANKS BUTTON - IT's the LEAST you could do!
Regards all
Alcatraz
Hi Alcatrazx,
sounds logical I´ll give it a try and report later, thanks.
pronor
Thx
Thx Bro!
Will try it later too. I'll report.
One question though... Do you need to do this everytime you charge your phone, or just the first charge?
Sounds interesting, I will try and report
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One question though... Do you need to do this everytime you charge your phone, or just the first charge?
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Sounds like you have to do everytime... If you reboot your WP7, the battery is under the influence of the software again and does not charge correctly. Beat me if I'm wrong
Very interesting. I will try it
It's a good idea for some times, but I would not use it as an every night thing.
I sometimes get calls or messages during the night (and usually they are important). Another thing is that if you use your phone to wake you up this will not work at all.
I hope WP7 development progresses and solves this issue in the upcoming updates.
Nevertheless it's a nice way of going by, and thanks for taking the time to test it and post about it.
PS: does the light turn green after 6hours of charging or not. Probably not, but worth asking .
Another solution should be to charge a second battery in an external charger...
pronor
Another issue with this "workaround" is that MAGLDR keeps the screen opened, which can cause some devices to overheat, so be cautious with this one. I say that an external charger is the smartest alternative. I actually use this method and it works perfectly.
karendar said:
Another issue with this "workaround" is that MAGLDR keeps the screen opened, which can cause some devices to overheat, so be cautious with this one. I say that an external charger is the smartest alternative. I actually use this method and it works perfectly.
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Sorry to sound pessimistic, BUT, people have already reported clearly in other Threads that they have tried the solution of charging their battery using an external charger with no luck. I can't see how this is any different. In addition, 6 hours will probably kill your battery in the long run (overcharging) - I have queried HTC support about it in the past.
Simple enough mate! Though 6 hours of battery charging will probably make significant damage to your HD2 battery... HD2 normally will charge in about 1 and a half hour or 2 udner WM6.5 or Android!
Not bad idea though! Bravo..
Charging while in Android remains for me the most convenient option. I must say though that this battery issue in wp7 is not that obvious for me. The phone charges quite well in wp7 and only sometimes I feel the need for a restart, after which the percentage increases with 15, not more.
most chargers since the beginning of time have a battery cut off, when the charger unit detects the polarity is starting to reverse it switches off, of course i cant say for sure using the MAGLDR method would use this, potentially it could just be a case of "connecting two wires to a battery" which as you guys have pointed out would not been good, at worst your battery could get seriously hot, or potentially if you reverse the battery polarity enough you would have half of a battery thats unusable.
I think what should be taken from this however, is that like myself and other have been saying for a long time, if your battery is charged propperly it will last a long longer, people reporting empty batteries within 20 odd hours, in my opinion, either have dud batteries or are not charging them properly
the MAJOR plus side to this post is the ability to fix the empty battery restart issue, that alone makes this idea a gold star and should be stickied!
dazza9075 said:
most chargers since the beginning of time have a battery cut off, when the charger unit detects the polarity is starting to reverse it switches off, of course i cant say for sure using the MAGLDR method would use this, potentially it could just be a case of "connecting two wires to a battery" which as you guys have pointed out would not been good, at worst your battery could get seriously hot, or potentially if you reverse the battery polarity enough you would have half of a battery thats unusable.
I think what should be taken from this however, is that like myself and other have been saying for a long time, if your battery is charged propperly it will last a long longer, people reporting empty batteries within 20 odd hours, in my opinion, either have dud batteries or are not charging them properly
the MAJOR plus side to this post is the ability to fix the empty battery restart issue, that alone makes this idea a gold star and should be stickied!
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People reporting these batteries issues my friend are people who are knowledgable enough to reach to xda-developers forums - i.e. people who have a pretty good understanding of what battery drainage is and whether their batteries are dying or not; who have installed a number of winmo roms, android roms etc.
there are roms that drain battery and others that handle power better. in the ports of Windows Phone 7 for HTC HD2 there is an issue with battery drainage, and thats a fact.
There is no issue with bat drainage but with false bat stat reporting.
TheOnly1 said:
There is no issue with bat drainage but with false bat stat reporting.
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Thats the true Sir but how fix it
TheOnly1 said:
There is no issue with bat drainage but with false bat stat reporting.
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Thank you, thats what i was saying, apparently not very well
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People reporting these batteries issues my friend are people who are knowledgable enough to reach to xda-developers forums - i.e. people who have a pretty good understanding of what battery drainage is and whether their batteries are dying or not; who have installed a number of winmo roms, android roms etc.
there are roms that drain battery and others that handle power better. in the ports of Windows Phone 7 for HTC HD2 there is an issue with battery drainage, and thats a fact.
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your level of wit and sarcasm is actually quite funny given that you completely got my point wrong, the issue is quite simply this, the drivers for our HD2 are copies from another device, a device that is similar but not the same, the issues we have with battery are down to the fact that WE do not know if the battery is charged or not, at least at a first glance, and given the inability of many people on here to actually read threads and posts correctly it is not beyond the realm of possibility that many users dont know what level there battery is charged to, thus it may not be charged propperly.
If windows reports a full battery and its only half full then it will "appear" to empty twice as quick, now i think thats pretty clear for every one?
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Thats the true Sir but how fix it
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we cant
our phone must be different to a degree than the phone this ROM is based off otherwise we wouldnt have the issue, lets all assume for a second we can actually start chopping and changing files in WP7 like WM. We would need to find some sort of driver that exactly matches our HD2 and i doubt that will happen.
whoever made the driver isnt going to just bring out a new version for an old peice of hardware that isnt supported by MS, perhaps if a new piece of hardware has the same battery controller as us something can be done.....maybe
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Thats the true Sir but how fix it
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You have the following options:
1. Try the registry tweak. That worked for me and I actually have no battery issues for the last 2 weeks or so.
2. Charge the battery under Android during the night. That's pretty usable as you only need to reboot and you still have a fully functional phone Way better IMO than the USB Mass Storage trick.
I have a minimal Android installation on my SD (Angry Birds, you know) and it currently reports roughly the same values as WP7.
Hi Guys,
My lumia 800 on 100% charging shows the remnaing battery 1240 mAh and full capacity at 1470 mAh.
If I keep the power source even after 100% of charge, the remaining batter capacity is getting increated from 1240 mAh.
I am confused whether I should keep on charging it even after 100% charge or not?
if you put your lumia in bed while being charged, you'll found something amazing
Please explain.
I think they're trying to say 'charge your phone while you sleep'.
If not, then they might need a therapist.
Getting the new firmware this weekend at nokia care. Will see the performance after that. Currently i am getting 12-15 hours with edge is always on.
nagesh_boppana said:
Getting the new firmware this weekend at nokia care. Will see the performance after that. Currently i am getting 12-15 hours with edge is always on.
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what new firmware you getting?
Is this out to the public?
Hi,
I always see people using the diagnostic tool "battery status". I've a "Detailed Battery Info" - section in the diagnostic tools too, and there are much more informations including a (as far as I know) never discussed "StateOfHealth".(see attached picture 1) I myself have no problems with my battery at all, and my value of StateofHealth is at 858. Interesting to know, what values people have, that claim problem with battery.
Regards
Donpromillo
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Hi,
I always see people using the diagnostic tool "battery status". I've a "Detailed Battery Info" - section in the diagnostic tools too, and there are much more informations including a (as far as I know) never discussed "StateOfHealth".(see attached picture 1) I myself have no problems with my battery at all, and my value of StateofHealth is at 858. Interesting to know, what values people have, that claim problem with battery.
Regards
Donpromillo
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did you make that screenshot with the lumia,if so what kind of app is it?
thanks in advance
Hi,
the capture was taken by Windows Phone Device Manager
You have to be connected to your PC and the snapshot is taken there. You can't make it on your phone directly.
Regards
Donpromillo
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Hi,
the capture was taken by Windows Phone Device Manager
You have to be connected to your PC and the snapshot is taken there. You can't make it on your phone directly.
Regards
Donpromillo
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thank I will install the Devise Manager and then will try to make a snapshot
I have just gotten my phone, and have been advised that battery issues are to be expected in a new phone (for me anyway) I take it battery issues are effecting everyone different.
Lumia 800 Battery Life
With regard to the above comments, when i got the phone the battery life was so so. After downloading the latest firmware update it seemed to get a lot worse. One day it didn't make it all the way through & that was after just a handful of phone calls and a handful of texts. So I did the hard reset & suddenly the battery was great. I was using the battery saver admittedly (owing to the loss of confidence) but last night it reported I still had one and a half days charge left and had used about 30%. I would therefore very strongly recommend doing a hard reset once you have the latest update. I know it's a bind but if like me you have all your contacts and calendar synced to Outlook via the Outlook connector it's not so bad. The contacts & calendar just reappeared on the phone as if by magic once I put my Hotmail password in. I'll obviously be monitoring the battery for a while because it let me down at work before I reset it, but I'm pleased to say that I love it again now & would recommend it to anyone. It's a gorgeous phone.
Okey. Here are some numbers. We like numbers, as they don't lie or making things up.
Before factory reset my Current (Discharging) was around 180.
After factory reset it finds itself around 140.
I've tried with and without wifi, with and without data connection, both before and after the factory reset.
I guess it's like someone mentioned. Some application got stuck and caused the battery drain.
I'm going to reinstall my apps I had before and after each installation check the battery drain to see wich application is causing it.
A good OS shouldn't encounter problems like this. Nokia and Microsoft needs to work on the stability. The Lumia 800 AND the OS has a great potential but still lacks on several functions and stability.
I don´t have this problems.
I charged my phone yesterday evening (22 hours ago)
and still have 75% and 1d 5h left.
I phoned a little bit an was a few times online (Wlan)
Browser and Marketplace
The Phone is new and I hope the battery will get better.
I updated it, before testing batterylife on old version.
But it isn´t as good as my last phone:
my htc Trophy made about 5 Days if i used it like my lumia now
I don´t installed the app you all use to test your battery
(sometimes i think this is the app, that drains your battery,
because it is not wp7 that needs a lot of battery, my last wp7 phone had a small battery an very long live)
and...
.. i have no problem with loose buttons.
Factiry reset
Well I finaly took the plunge and did the reset. I now have a normal working battery (at least for now). Wish I had done this earlier.
I strongly recommend that anyone with battery problems does the same.
Barrie
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Well I finaly took the plunge and did the reset. I now have a normal working battery (at least for now). Wish I had done this earlier.
I strongly recommend that anyone with battery problems does the same.
Barrie
I have got a massive increase in battery life and am not quite sure how.
I uninstalled the diagnostics app and it seemed to go downhill from there (sure it's a coincidence though). At this point battery life was a joke, couldn't get through the day with light use. The other change at the same time that could have had an effect was switching to use the Nokia charger rather than the one from my Galaxy S.
I reinstalled the diagnostics app and also turned 3G off (work and home both have wifi). However, I have now turned it back on, and since then battery life is much better and the phone now easily gets through the day.
Maybe try toggling 3G off for a day and an overnight charge and turn it back on and see if it makes a difference.
There is something wrong at the driver level with this phone I'm sure.
My phone has been fine ever since the battery life jumped up, it's not a fluke.
I made 27 hours with heavy usage (wifi+3g+games+constant fb)
Mine has made 3 days and 14 hours (Not that heavy usage. Mostly texting and some calls) and it's got 18% left.
OK,
I read too much different views...
Tomorrow my new Lumia is coming
I am able to check it before do the payment.
So, what I have to do? To look in the menu for diagnostic tool or to dial ##634#?
Is it that the right combination?
Or just to pay it and to let it die without battery, then hoping to turn itself on with good battery life?
Please give me some advise..!
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Okey. Here are some numbers. We like numbers, as they don't lie or making things up.
Before factory reset my Current (Discharging) was around 180.
After factory reset it finds itself around 140.
I've tried with and without wifi, with and without data connection, both before and after the factory reset.
I guess it's like someone mentioned. Some application got stuck and caused the battery drain.
I'm going to reinstall my apps I had before and after each installation check the battery drain to see wich application is causing it.
A good OS shouldn't encounter problems like this. Nokia and Microsoft needs to work on the stability. The Lumia 800 AND the OS has a great potential but still lacks on several functions and stability.
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Have you noticed what app was causing it? Before my restore i had 14-17h left according to the phone. After the reset i had 36h left according to the phone...now 3 days later i´m back at 16h. It lasted for 2 days the good battery life...
For those still using the TG01 I've just done a mod that gives my TG01 9 days on a single charge... that's right, 9 days on a single charge!!! Of course it depends on usage.
Image 1 (see thumbnails) shows the completed mod. I did this by making a battery tray out of 1/4" square pine rods I picked up at an RC hobby shop. The rear cover is Mugen's from their 2600 mAh battery kit.
Image 2 shows the battery connector (black). I snagged this from an HTC 8525 junk mainboard. It has 6 contacts and only needed 3 so just left the full length to add stability.
Image 3 shows a top view of the installed battery tray and the wooden retainer strip to the right.
Image 4 shows the battery tray and battery comparison.
Image 5 shows the battery tray sitting on top of the original Toshiba battery. There was a lot of tedious work to make this tray but it wasn't too difficult.
This mod has so far exceeded my expectations. Buying a genuine Samsung OEM battery (joint Japan-Korea product) probably is one reason for the fantastic performance. And the phone isn't very heavy. The new Samsung battery only requires a single charge, unlike my original multi-battery pack which required charging several times to get a full charge. The inherently inaccurate TG01 battery meter is still present but not a real problem with this mod.
I also bought an aftermarket 5000 mAh 'fat' battery kit for the Samsung Galaxy Note in case this one didn't meet expectations and am in the process of slightly modifying that battery (adding extensions to the electrical contacts) to use with this tray. I will have to modify the back cover as the 'fat' battery is 15mm thick. I'll give an update once that mod is completed and tested. If anyone would like additional details, photos, etc., just let me know.
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Update - Finally had to recharge my phone again. This time it managed 6 days (instead of "about 5 days" that I reported initially)!!! TBH these were mostly fairly light days, no videos and games, a mixture of calls, some camera shots, and some Internet browsing. I also forgot to turn it off one night. The battery might have lasted a full week but my TG01's whacky battery protective circuitry turns the phone off when the battery level falls below "28%". After popping the battery out to recharge in my external charger I decided to check the voltage. What to my surprise the battery still had around 3.2v remaining. I was thinking WTF as it's safe to discharge li-ion/li-po batteries down to 2.75v. I wonder if there is a way to override this ridiculously conservative setting. If anyone has any idea please chime in.
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Update #2 - Oct 24th
This Samsung battery just keeps getting better and better. My 3rd full recharge cycle yielded 8 full days of light usage. My 4th full recharge cycle jumped to 9 full days!!! The 5th cycle resulted in 5 days of mixed light and heavy usage and still probably had another day of use left. See my response to fxdjacentyfxd below for more details.
Cheers!
CrashMurdock said:
For those still using the TG01 I've just done a mod that gives my TG01 about 5 days on a single charge... that's right, about 5 days on a single charge!!! Of course it depends on usage.
Image 1 (see thumbnails) shows the completed mod. I did this by making a battery tray out of 1/4" square pine rods I picked up at an RC hobby shop. The rear cover is Mugen's from their 2600 mAh battery kit.
Image 2 shows the battery connector (black). I snagged this from an HTC 8525 junk mainboard. It has 6 contacts and only needed 3 so just left the full length to add stability.
Image 3 shows a top view of the installed battery tray and the wooden retainer strip to the right.
Image 4 shows the battery tray and battery comparison.
Image 5 shows the battery tray sitting on top of the original Toshiba battery. There was a lot of tedious work to make this tray but it wasn't too difficult.
This mod has so far exceeded my expectations. Buying a genuine Samsung OEM battery (joint Japan-Korea product) probably is one reason for the fantastic performance. And the phone isn't very heavy. The new Samsung battery only requires a single charge, unlike my original multi-battery pack which required charging several times to get a full charge. The inherently inaccurate TG01 battery meter is still present but not a real problem with this mod.
I also bought an aftermarket 5000 mAh 'fat' battery kit for the Samsung Galaxy Note in case this one didn't meet expectations and am in the process of slightly modifying that battery (adding extensions to the electrical contacts) to use with this tray. I will have to modify the back cover as the 'fat' battery is 15mm thick. I'll give an update once that mod is completed and tested. If anyone would like additional details, photos, etc., just let me know.
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It's great. But it's true. May I make it myself?
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It's great. But it's true. May I make it myself?
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Yes, you certainly may. I can take some more pictures and provide more details if you're interested. The only difficult part is to find a battery connector from a junk phone to connect the new battery. You will also have to modify the original TG01 back cover if you don't have the Mugen 2600 mAh kit cover. Other than that I used some heavy gauge copper wire to make the new battery tray harness and pine wood for the tray. The original Toshiba battery was the template to make the new wood battery tray. Again, this mod is a little tedious but not too difficult. I used pine wood for the battery tray as it is very light, strong, and easy to work with.
Good luck! :good:
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For those still using the TG01 I've just done a mod that gives my TG01 6 days on a single charge... that's right, 6 days on a single charge!!! Of course it depends on usage.
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Hi Jim. Nice work. I am glad You still use TG01 like me ))
Regards
Jacek
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Hi Jim. Nice work. I am glad You still use TG01 like me ))
Regards
Jacek
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Thanks Jacek! I appreciate the complement, especially coming from you, the battery mod master. :good: Yep, unfortunately the TG01 forums are beginning to have only echos as most have moved on. I really like my TG01 as it still does everything I need except for Skype & 3G. I confess I'm too lazy and a bit scared to mess around with cooking a new ROM to change the radio since I have no experience in such matters.
Regarding this battery mod I have to say this Samsung battery is incredible. I'm currently on day 8 of fairly light use (3rd recharge cycle) and my battery is finally down to 30%. I reboot the phone several times daily to update the inaccurate TG01 battery meter.
Regarding the battery meter I do have a question for you. Is there a way to modify the battery driver(?) or ??? so the phone will not shut off until the battery discharges down to 2.8-2.9v? We're losing quite a bit of time before recharges since the phone shuts off between 3.2-3.4v. Toshiba really screwed up on that one.
I'll be updating this thread so stay tuned my friend.
Cheers,
Jim
Hi Jim.
Sorry for late response. Yes, TG01 forum is almost dead
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I reboot the phone several times daily to update the inaccurate TG01 battery meter.
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Why do You do this at all ? Only for that to have accurate value ?
CrashMurdock said:
Regarding the battery meter I do have a question for you. Is there a way to modify the battery driver(?) or ??? so the phone will not shut off until the battery discharges down to 2.8-2.9v? We're losing quite a bit of time before recharges since the phone shuts off between 3.2-3.4v. Toshiba really screwed up on that one.
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As I remember when I was developing stub for original battery driver [ in fact my driver it is not native driver because I have ( I guess nobody have ) no knowledge how to access hardware responsible for battery measurements. It behaves exactly like device driver but calls original battery driver and sometimes ... cheat so that work with TG01 was possible under 20%. You know my 26% ]
I realized I had not any influence when TG01 shut off. I was doing some measurements. Sometimes it shut off when battery is about 3.2-3.4 ( typically ) but sometimes it shut of when battery is 2.91V . Take into account that having 3.2-3.4 battery have of course some capacity yet but You realize that there are ( can be ) big current flows ( peeks ) that can very easy do decrease voltage on snapdragon and other hardware below 3V and lower. I guess that is why voltage level when TG01 shuts off is so different.
Regards
Jacek
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Why do You do this at all ? Only for that to have accurate value?
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Greetings Jacek,
Sorry about the delay in responding. Had a cancer scare and had to take a trip to Bangkok for a complete physical. Luckily no cancer and all is good.
Regarding your question I was forced to reboot the TG01 several times daily or it would frequently turn itself off in the middle of phone calls. With my new Samsung battery I don't have to reboot it anymore but still do when the battery level drops to an indicated 30%-40% as the TG01 battery meter routine is still faulty. This new battery is so good it will last a full day even when starting at 30% charge.
I've been documenting recharge cycles and phone usage. Before going to Bangkok last week I got 9 full days of light usage! While in Bangkok I was using the phone a lot including lots of wi-fi time. I still got 5 full days with 30% remaining. I could have gotten another day but decided to recharge as hospital stay and overnight bus trip back home would have been too long before I could recharge.
I am extremely happy :laugh::victory::silly: with this new Samsung battery mod. Even still, I'm considering trying to modify my mod to use the new Samsung Galaxy Note 2 battery, rated at 3100mAh. Unfortunately, the Note 2 is so new I can't find the battery dimensions. There are no free lunches and since it has 24% more capacity it has to be 24% larger. If it's just 24% longer I can possibly modify my existing rig. If it's any wider it's not an option. If it's thicker then I would have to buy the 'fatter' Mugen cover like you have. At this late stage it isn't worth it, especially since this mod works so well.
Cheers my friend! :good:
Jim
Hi Jim.
Nice to hear You are healthy
It seems You are becoming best known battery mod maker in the world
It is nice You still want to do something with tg01.
Recently, after some rom modifications I had problems with frequent tg01 system restarts but it seems I know what was wrong. Having opportunity, i changed radio to 321 which seems to be better for talks than radio 1600 I typically was using.
Tests are in progress.
Cheers
Jacek
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Hi Jim.
Nice to hear You are healthy
It seems You are becoming best known battery mod maker in the world
It is nice You still want to do something with tg01.
Recently, after some rom modifications I had problems with frequent tg01 system restarts but it seems I know what was wrong. Having opportunity, i changed radio to 321 which seems to be better for talks than radio 1600 I typically was using.
Tests are in progress.
Cheers
Jacek
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Greetings Jacek,
Thank you for the kind words. Glad you were able to solve your radio problem. I made a mistake by putting one of my 1100mAh Cameron Sino batteries in my TG01 again. The reason was I had discharged my Samsung battery and had it on an external charger, but needed to make some calls. Now my phone is back in slow mode again unless I have Bluetooth turned on. I hope the problem is only temporary as the phone has been working perfectly until now. If you have any ideas please let me know.
Thanks, my friend!
Jim
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Greetings Jacek,
Now my phone is back in slow mode again unless I have Bluetooth turned on. I hope the problem is only temporary as the phone has been working perfectly until now. If you have any ideas please let me know.
Jim
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Hmmm , once again. You removed Your battery pack then You inserted fully charged Cameron Sino battery. From this time Your phone works very slow and only cure for it is to switch BT on ?
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Jacek
fxdjacentyfxd said:
Hmmm , once again. You removed Your battery pack then You inserted fully charged Cameron Sino battery. From this time Your phone works very slow and only cure for it is to switch BT on ?
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Jacek
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Yes, it's the exact same problem I had for months before I did the Samsung battery mod. Miraculously, the problem went away as soon as I installed the new Samsung. I have already removed the Cameron Sino and reinstalled the Samsung, but the 'slow' problem is still there. I have no idea why.
Thanks!
Jim
Tell mi Jim, having previously Samsung battery, You always drained it totally before charging( untill tg01 shutdown itself ) or rather You were charging it to full state again without tg01 shutdown ? It is "paranormal activity" for me but maybe reason is concerned with the fact that You removed power totally ( battery exchange ). I know it sounds stupid. Were You exchanging Samsung battery pack in the past many times and nothing wrong was happening ?
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Jacek
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Tell mi Jim, having previously Samsung battery, You always drained it totally before charging( until tg01 shutdown itself ) or rather You were charging it to full state again without tg01 shutdown ? It is "paranormal activity" for me but maybe reason is concerned with the fact that You removed power totally ( battery exchange ). I know it sounds stupid. Were You exchanging Samsung battery pack in the past many times and nothing wrong was happening ?
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Jacek
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Let me start by saying the original s-l-o-w problem just disappeared as soon as I started using the Samsung battery. I have to say that I have had NO problems at all using the Samsung battery. In fact, the experience with the phone is so much better because I don't even have to think about the battery anymore. Keep in mind it's a single battery so there is no fighting between battery protection circuits like I think I was having with my multi-battery mod.
To answer your question, at first I drained the Samsung battery until the TG01 auto-shut-off turned it off at around 26%. I did this because I read that a new battery needs several full discharge/recharge cycles to get maximum capacity of the battery. This has proven to be true as capacity increased each cycle finally leveling off at 9 full days between recharges. I've also partially recharged the Samsung with 30% remaining with no problems. I've only gone through about 9-10 recharge cycles to date with the Samsung because it usually lasts 8-9 days between recharges, dependent upon usage.
During this time I have also used the phone a time or two with the original Toshiba battery while the Samsung was charging, because the large Samsung battery takes a full day or night to fully recharge. The TG01 did not suffer the s-l-o-w mode then. It was only after I put the single Cameron Sino 1100mAh battery back in that the s-l-o-w mode problem started again.
I'm relatively sure a hard reset will fix the s-l-o-w problem because it worked before when using the Cameron Sino battery pack. Unfortunately the problem would come back. Now I believe the Cameron Sino battery's protective circuit may be damaged and caused the s-l-o-w problem. I won't be using that battery again. I'll update you after I hard reset the phone.
Cheers, my friend!
Jim
P.S. - Could you please post or send me your finger-swipe-to-unlock file? Mine disappeared during one of the master resets. THANKS!!!
Hi Jim.
I wait for Your hard reset results. Having opportunity maybe You change and test radio to 321 ?...
I do not quite understand what You mean "your finger-swipe-to-unlock file" ? You mean You want to remove "lock screen action" after going sleep at all ?
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Jacek
fxdjacentyfxd said:
Hi Jim.
I wait for Your hard reset results. Having opportunity maybe You change and test radio to 321 ?...
I do not quite understand what You mean "your finger-swipe-to-unlock file" ? You mean You want to remove "lock screen action" after going sleep at all ?
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Jacek
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Hi Jacek,
I still haven't backed up my phone yet so haven't done the master reset yet. When I first installed your custom ROM it had an Android type 'swipe to unlock' feature. I disabled it because I had the auto-screen orientation turned on and it made the swipe to unlock difficult to use. I stopped using the auto-screen orientation a long time ago because it is so laggy. I'm having to unlock the phone using the original Windows Mobile unlock feature which is crappy and would like to add the swipe to unlock feature.
Thanks!
Jim
Jim, I am getting older but I can swear I have never had any android-like software.
My custom rom has always had default WM6.5/WM6.5.x screen locker/unlocker disabled. As You surely know, this unlocker is based on sliders. Maybe that is why You say it is like in androd. Being disabled, older fashion ( WM6.1 ) screen locker is active but as You said and I can confirm, it is poor working software and that is why I personaly for my usage, totally switched off and screen lock/unlock. I do not need it at all. You can enable sliders in registry by only one switch value.
All I really needed was some kind of screen locker when TG01 is active ( let's say navigation software is on ) and You want to put in to jacket pocket or to any bag.
Without any "touch" disabler it is very probable that You ( Your pocket or bag ) touch the screen. I created some piece of software ( assigned to camera button ) that locks the screen when I want and unlocks when I want.
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Jacek
Hello does anyone still use TG01?
The Samsung battery will be fully charged from TG01?
Any idea haow to modify the back cover?
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dreamH6 said:
Hello does anyone still use TG01?
The Samsung battery will be fully charged from TG01?
Any idea haow to modify the back cover?
Thanks
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Yes, it will be charged fully by TG01 internal charging circuit as long as the electrical contact points line up correctly. I did not modify the back cover. Instead I bought a 2600mAh battery cover from Mugen, who makes 2 different battery kits for the TG01, 2600 and 3900 mAh. If you don't mind paying a high price for their batteries you can just order a kit. Here is the link to Mugen:
http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/toshiba/toshiba-tg01.html
Good luck and hope this helps!
Cheers &
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Yes, it will be charged fully by TG01 internal charging circuit as long as the electrical contact points line up correctly. I did not modify the back cover. Instead I bought a 2600mAh battery cover from Mugen, who makes 2 different battery kits for the TG01, 2600 and 3900 mAh. If you don't mind paying a high price for their batteries you can just order a kit. Here is the link to Mugen:
http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/toshiba/toshiba-tg01.html
Good luck and hope this helps!
Cheers &
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I think they are no longer selling replacement cover.
I see only expensive kit battery + cover ($79,95), I paid the full TG01 less
I'll try to do my best on modifying original cover for an inexpensive samsung battery
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I think they are no longer selling replacement cover.
I see only expensive kit battery + cover ($79,95), I paid the full TG01 less
I'll try to do my best on modifying original cover for an inexpensive samsung battery
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I sent an email to them at: [email protected] and asked them to sell me just a replacement back cover. I lied and told them I bought the phone used and it already had the Mugen 2600 mAh battery and cover but that I had dropped the phone and damaged the cover. They sold me a new cover (with stylus) for $14.95 U.S. dollars, which included free international shipping. This was back in August 2011 so don't know if the price is the same now.
Their batteries are OK, but don't know why they charge 10x price for them. Since the TG01 is now a very old model they will probably be glad to sell to you just the back cover. They call it "backdoor".
I hope this helps. Good luck!
This one is a weird one...
About a week ago, I needed GPS to navigate out of a town - I waited and waited and didn't get even any satellite reception... It turned out that I found the way by myself and just closed the navigation. A few days later, same situation, no visible satellites at all... Didn't have time to reboot the phone, so I just closed the navigation and went my way.
Now, something weird is going on with my phone... Usually I get about 2 days of battery life - but since last charging, it looks i will get about 4 days and I have been using quite a few apps, browsed the net, made SIP phone calls, made normal phone calls... (more than normal usage for me anyway).
Is it just me or are those two things connected in any way? Can it be that GPS has crashed somehow and in the result, lowered the power consumption of the phone? Is it possible to turn off the GPS 'on demand' to extend battery life?
All other stuff is working like a charm...
I am using stock ROM (4.1.2, radio: I9100BULS1, build: JZO54K.I9100XWLSD)
Why do not you try installing a different rom see why.
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Why do not you try installing a different rom see why.
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Well, a colleague of mine has the same phone and has experimented with various ROMs - none gave him so much more battery life. It is not the question of which ROM is better in terms of battery life, but whether some weird (non-functional) state of GPS (I have it normally disabled almost all the time via drop-down menu) can cause the extended battery life. And if this is possible, can this be done on purpose?
The ROM stock give many problems, you're not in fact the only that the strikes. I advise you to try some Sammy Rom! JellySNAP v6 and, for example, a great ROM based-stock Sammy
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The ROM stock give many problems, you're not in fact the only that the strikes. I advise you to try some Sammy Rom! JellySNAP v6 and, for example, a great ROM based-stock Sammy
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I am bumping this topic to continue the discussion...
I am aware of other ROMs and have experimented with a lot of them on another phone. Due to extensive set of installed applications, loads of data and relatively stable stock ROM, I haven't really taken the time to do the transition.
So, I am not really looking for a solution to fix GPS, but the opposite way. I want to know if I can break GPS on next boot in order to obtain such long battery life... How many days of inactivity do you get with non-stock ROMs? At the moment, I am getting 5 days of light use WITH stock ROM (WiFi, Bluetooth, data disabled, only connected to mobile network to accept and make calls). I was never been able to do more than 3-4 days and my battery is now over 2 years old....
So, please, don't try to persuade me to install other ROMs by stating that they are better and more stable - list your battery lifes in case of light use or inactivity.... Do you get 5 days on 2 year old battery?
If you think breaking GPS is somehow responsible for greater battery life, you're going to end up rather disappointed. That concept defies logic given GPS only uses battery when you're actually using it. How is it possible for battery life to somehow magically double as a result of GPS being 'broken' ?
Thus far you've not provided one duplicable 'test' that other people can try to see if they get similar results, and all you've done is blabbered nonsense in a couple of posts. I mean, do you honestly think people here are going to delete a bunch of GPS system files to see if they can get some magical extension in battery life ? I know I'm not, because trying to put that stuff back when your silly theory doesn't work is a pain in the arse.
Did it ever occur to you that given the battery is two years old it's quite probably on its last legs & is very likely chemically unstable (this is why 'old' batteries swell up & sometimes even burst). This instability might be causing the extra battery life as the battery approaches the point where it's no longer useful. Put it this way, that's far more likely than busted GPS causing the extra battery life.
So, please don't try to persuade us that breaking GPS somehow doubles your battery life with a 2 yr old battery. Logic & almost 3 yrs worth of different people's experiences on here with this phone just don't support your ridiculous assertions.
That was a spicy reply, MistahBungle
Some facts:
- No system update was installed in the last month
- No application has been removed
- System hasn't been rebooted for a month or so
- Never got more than 2-3 days out of battery in idle
- Battery is 2 years old and is physically not damaged or swelled
- GPS isn't working (not even receiving or predicting a satellite on a clear day)
- System is rooted for a year or so
- Battery lasts 4 days now (instead of <2days a month ago)
- Connected to 3G network (no data connection)
I would try to reboot my phone, but I am afraid that it will all be over...
So, to stay with firm facts - how much battery life do you get with alternative ROMs in real life? Is 4 days (5-6 days with new battery) something usual?
That concept defies logic given GPS only uses battery when you're actually using it.
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Can you then explain me the difference between Cold and Warm GPS start? As far as I know, phone tries to keep as accurate GPS time as possible and a bunch of ephemerisis data in order to decode GPS data faster, next time you enable GPS. This defies logic that GPS is completely OFF when it is 'disabled' by GPS button in Android system.
I mean, do you honestly think people here are going to delete a bunch of GPS system files to see if they can get some magical extension in battery life ?
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No, I don't expect it to. I am looking for information whether anyone experienced anything similar.
Did it ever occur to you that given the battery is two years old it's quite probably on its last legs & is very likely chemically unstable (this is why 'old' batteries swell up & sometimes even burst). This instability might be causing the extra battery life as the battery approaches the point where it's no longer useful.
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In Lithium-powered batteries, I haven't come across the fact that battery capacity is increased with battery ageing and sweling up... On the contrary, internal resistance goes haywire and capacity drops, contributing to even more heat being spent internally by the battery and speeding up the process of degradation...
I may have not been cooking my own ROMs and writing drivers for phones, but I have quite extensive background in embedded systems and electronics. Battery life can not increase just by itself - there must be a reason... My lifestyle hasn't changed, my environment also didn't change, other phones at home didn't experience such battery life extensions... The only thing that I noticed is that the GPS is not working. I opened this topic in order to discuss whether that's the true cause or not.
So, based on '3 yrs worth of different people's experiences on here', what could be the cause for such prolonged battery life? How can I debug it by myself without rebooting the phone?
I was quite happy with my Lumia 920 and eagerly installed the Black update the other day.
But soon I started to notice serious heating problems from time to time at the upper part where the GSM chip is located, accompanied by quick battery drain (from 90%+ to 15% in a few hours, without doing anything but a few calls and some email checking).
I changed max speed from 4G to 3G and stopped all background tasks, disabled tap&send, but nothing made any noticable difference.
Then I noticed on my Femto Cell (a mini in-hous GSM transceiver) the 'connected' light was on while my phone had a working WiFi connection at the same time. This indicated that the GSM was on while I had a WiFi connection. Only rebooting the phone would disconnect the 3G and use just WiFi. But after some time and using the phone, the 3G connection would come back on (light on the Femto Cell turns on) and the heating and draining would start again.
This looks to me like a serious bug in my (hardware revision 6.5.0.2) Lumia 920!
Anyone else experiencing this with the Black update?
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After upgrading from Amber to black I have high battery drain and heating up near the camera lens on the lumia 820, my wife has the same phone and the same problem after the update.
It seems as if Nokia aren't listening as several people have posted same issue on the Nokia community and no-one from Nokia has replied, I don't know where to go from here as many people have said a hard reset does not fix the issue and I don't want to have to re-setup my phone and lose all data!!!
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After upgrading from Amber to black I have high battery drain and heating up near the camera lens on the lumia 820, my wife has the same phone and the same problem after the update.
It seems as if Nokia aren't listening as several people have posted same issue on the Nokia community and no-one from Nokia has replied, I don't know where to go from here as many people have said a hard reset does not fix the issue and I don't want to have to re-setup my phone and lose all data!!!
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Yes, looks like we're not alone with this issue. I can assure you, none of the usual tricks will fix this. No hard reset, no background tasks disable, no 3G or 2G max speed setting, etc.
not on my phone... working much better and battery last longer... but i make hard reset before upgrade to Black... not after....
also not use any battery status apps... this c**ps of software was drain batery on my lumia 920...
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not on my phone... working much better and battery last longer... but i make hard reset before upgrade to Black... not after....
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I know, certainly not every 920 has this issue but there are too many people reporting similar issues to ignore. Some of my colleagues having a 920 have no problem, others have similar issues.
BTW: What is the hardware revision of your Lumia 920? Mine is 6.5.0.2.
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I know, certainly not every 920 has this issue but there are too many people reporting similar issues to ignore. Some of my colleagues having a 920 have no problem, others have similar issues.
BTW: What is the hardware revision of your Lumia 920? Mine is 6.5.0.2.
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6.5.0.4
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6.5.0.4
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Small difference, but could be something...
Others having 6.5.0.2 without battery drain issues?
same here in France after switching from SFR to BOUYGUE TELECOM. more than 2 days before the switch and less than one day after the switch)
A matter of provider ?
Same issue, same h/w revision
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Small difference, but could be something...
Others having 6.5.0.2 without battery drain issues?
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I also have the 6.5.0.2 hardware revision WITH the battery drain issue
The thing is, I sent my phone back to Nokia for assessment.. they deemed the battery was faulty - charged me $90 for a replacement battery, and now a few weeks later I'm having the same issue again...
Really starting to get annoyed.
Deano019S said:
I also have the 6.5.0.2 hardware revision WITH the battery drain issue
The thing is, I sent my phone back to Nokia for assessment.. they deemed the battery was faulty - charged me $90 for a replacement battery, and now a few weeks later I'm having the same issue again...
Really starting to get annoyed.
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I am beginning to suspect a design error in specific hardware models. There are too many people with battery drain issues to ignore. At the same time many people seem to have no problem.
Have you tried to revert back to an older firmware version? That could make a difference... I will try it when I find some spare time.
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I am beginning to suspect a design error in specific hardware models. There are too many people with battery drain issues to ignore. At the same time many people seem to have no problem.
Have you tried to revert back to an older firmware version? That could make a difference... I will try it when I find some spare time.
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I agree, there is something not right.
No I haven't tried an older firmware version. Wouldn't that require flashing the phone? Although, my phone has been back to Nokia roughly 3-4 times now, and each time it comes back with a different firmware. I've had the system board replaced, lcd assembly replaced, battery replaced and something else I believe.
You'd think after all these repairs I'd have a phone that actually works correctly...
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I agree, there is something not right.
No I haven't tried an older firmware version. Wouldn't that require flashing the phone? Although, my phone has been back to Nokia roughly 3-4 times now, and each time it comes back with a different firmware. I've had the system board replaced, lcd assembly replaced, battery replaced and something else I believe.
You'd think after all these repairs I'd have a phone that actually works correctly...
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So... after all this you are still having the same problem???
Must be 'user error' then.... An installed app is causing the drain most probably. I bet you have WhatsApp installed??
Rule number 1... DON'T USE WHATSAPP!!!! It will drain your battery in next to no time.....
My 920 has been perfect from Day 1. I have had none of the problems or battery drain that have been posted here or on other forums. As I said 'user error'....
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So... after all this you are still having the same problem???
Must be 'user error' then.... An installed app is causing the drain most probably. I bet you have WhatsApp installed??
Rule number 1... DON'T USE WHATSAPP!!!! It will drain your battery in next to no time.....
My 920 has been perfect from Day 1. I have had none of the problems or battery drain that have been posted here or on other forums. As I said 'user error'....
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No, it's not a user error - I have uninstalled all my apps and my battery is still crap. So I put my apps back on because you know, what's the point of having a smartphone if you haven't got any apps...
And no, I actually don't have WhatsApp installed...
By the way, too many users have reported these issues - so it can't just be 'user error'. Some people do get Lumia's that are perfect, others do not, that's just how it is.
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No, it's not a user error - I have uninstalled all my apps and my battery is still crap. So I put my apps back on because you know, what's the point of having a smartphone if you haven't got any apps...
And no, I actually don't have WhatsApp installed...
By the way, too many users have reported these issues - so it can't just be 'user error'. Some people do get Lumia's that are perfect, others do not, that's just how it is.
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Correct. One scenario I've tested is a hard reset and just the default setup (only added WiFi and mobile network). Also did full discharge/charge cycle. Battery drain was about 1% better with no apps and no (non-system) background tasks, but still a lot higher than acceptable.
And of course, until recently my 920 worked flawless with all the apps and background tasks active...
I find that I have more issue with heating when using the Qi charging plates as the phone can be warm when removed from the plate. After several successive uses the phone does not cool entirely and this is when I notice a much faster battery drain during moderate use (excluding gaming which is always warms up the phone and drains the battery). Charging the phone with the USB adapter on occasion seems to calm the phone down and it is cool after completely charging.
Hope this helps.
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I find that I have more issue with heating when using the Qi charging plates as the phone can be warm when removed from the plate. After several successive uses the phone does not cool entirely and this is when I notice a much faster battery drain during moderate use (excluding gaming which is always warms up the phone and drains the battery). Charging the phone with the USB adapter on occasion seems to calm the phone down and it is cool after completely charging.
Hope this helps.
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Yes, I too noticed thesubstantial heating when charging wirelessly. So I stopped using the charging pad altogether...
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Yes, I too noticed thesubstantial heating when charging wirelessly. So I stopped using the charging pad altogether...
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I also stopped using the wireless charging stand as I noticed the phone was getting hot, and also I seem to be getting a somewhat slightly better battery life with a USB connection.