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Has anyone compared DCDs newest ROM (3.3.4) to the latest nueROM3? Now that Scrosler is no longer going to produce new ROMs for us, I am running Update 20 of Manila 2D on nueROM3 (produced via kitchen). However, just curious how that compares, as far as stability goes, to DCDs latest. I always liked DCDs work, but had to start using nueROM awhile ago because of memory.
Anyone ran the latest of these two and can offer an unbiased opinion?
I've been doing my own M2D+nueROM3 for a while now.
I have to say, if you spend the time and patience, you can end up with a beautiful build. I'm very happy with mine right now.
As far as comparing to DCD 3.3.4, I haven't messed with 3.3.4 and refuse to do so without the kitchen.
Do you have an opinion on the new PocketIE yet?
scrawnyb: I'm finding the same thing so far, not too bad with latest nueROM3 + Manila 2D Update 20, but since DCDs ROMs are usually very stable, just wanted to see what others thought.
Personally, I think the new IE looks good, but it is just TOOOOO slow! Obviously was designed for a machine with more memory. So most of the time I just stick with Opera Mini; however, there are times when I have to use IE simply because the site only works on IE, or it is simply safer to use a stand-alone browser (like when going to mobile bank site). Personally, I wish I could reinstall the old IE Mobile - you know of a way to do that with nueROM3?
I perfer nuerom's memory management over DCD 3.3.4. Not to mention being able to turn the camera off and start at 28 megs free.
After trying both for a week without M2D installed and a week with M2D installed I find that 3.3.4 has pretty much no memory leaks, where 3pre3 had terrible memory leaks. 3.3.4 would boot for me at about 27 Mb and after a few days wold only leak down to 25 at idle (few days without a soft reset). Same situation with 3pre3 would have me booting at 32 Mb and leaking down to about 25 after a few days (no soft reset either).
With M2d installed and configured how I like, 3pre3 would boot at 26Mb and would leak down to about 21 Mb by the end of the day. 3.3.4 with the exact same configuration boots at about 21Mb and after a few days has not leaked down past 20 Mb.
I took all memory samples the same way: Fresh installs of ROMs, added my preferred cabs (Java, one game, skyfire, etc...) soft reset then waited for full boot. Closed all programs in task manager and used oxios hibernate. Then after a few days, just soft reset and used oxios hibernate. Then I did the same process, (I started with a hard reset on both ROMS) and installed the same apps and then M2D without opera mobile.
Only thing I wished I would have done was to take screen shots so I could have posted them.
Although 3pre3 does have more RAM at boot in both cases,I think I am still going to run 3.3.4 until the next version of nuerom comes out to try. I dont mind soft resetting every day, but if i ever forgot to with 3pre3 i would eventually get some out of memory error messages until I reset. So far after about a week with 3.3.4 I have not had any error messages after a few days just closing apps down, no reset.
DCD just has rock solid ROMs, what more can we say but a big Thank you?
I forgot to mention that 3pre3 with camera enabled had less available RAM than 3.3.4 in both cases. Only 1~2 Mb difference but it was worth mentioning.
Also I cooked different versions of ROMs with M2d in the kitchen and they were the absolute worst on memory leaks. I still use cab installs from the M2d thread, still using update 19b files and procedure. seems to work good on my device.
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After trying both for a week without M2D installed and a week with M2D installed I find that 3.3.4 has pretty much no memory leaks, where 3pre3 had terrible memory leaks. 3.3.4 would boot for me at about 27 Mb and after a few days wold only leak down to 25 at idle (few days without a soft reset). Same situation with 3pre3 would have me booting at 32 Mb and leaking down to about 25 after a few days (no soft reset either).
With M2d installed and configured how I like, 3pre3 would boot at 26Mb and would leak down to about 21 Mb by the end of the day. 3.3.4 with the exact same configuration boots at about 21Mb and after a few days has not leaked down past 20 Mb.
I took all memory samples the same way: Fresh installs of ROMs, added my preferred cabs (Java, one game, skyfire, etc...) soft reset then waited for full boot. Closed all programs in task manager and used oxios hibernate. Then after a few days, just soft reset and used oxios hibernate. Then I did the same process, (I started with a hard reset on both ROMS) and installed the same apps and then M2D without opera mobile.
Only thing I wished I would have done was to take screen shots so I could have posted them.
Although 3pre3 does have more RAM at boot in both cases,I think I am still going to run 3.3.4 until the next version of nuerom comes out to try. I dont mind soft resetting every day, but if i ever forgot to with 3pre3 i would eventually get some out of memory error messages until I reset. So far after about a week with 3.3.4 I have not had any error messages after a few days just closing apps down, no reset.
DCD just has rock solid ROMs, what more can we say but a big Thank you?
I forgot to mention that 3pre3 with camera enabled had less available RAM than 3.3.4 in both cases. Only 1~2 Mb difference but it was worth mentioning.
Also I cooked different versions of ROMs with M2d in the kitchen and they were the absolute worst on memory leaks. I still use cab installs from the M2d thread, still using update 19b files and procedure. seems to work good on my device.
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Very nice testing and detailed.
Thanks
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Very nice testing and detailed.
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Agreed very nice work I used nueROM3 and DCD and am sticking with 3.3.4 but thats just my two cents
My testing may be skewed slightly and I apologize. I cooked MSVC into 3pre3 and have been reading that has a few memory leaks. 3.3.4 has no voice command, and it would not be fair to add a cab VS. cooking with an oem between the two ROMs. I also added MS office apps for work by cab to 3pre3, although they did not seem to have any memory leaks as far as I could tell.
I was trying to be as subjective as possible, but those were two Items I had completely forgot about this morning when I typed this
Also, if running M2D I always disable the weather, search and music tabs as I launch programs from the launcher tab to do these tasks. The weather tab alone causes much memory leakage and always has since I first ran M2D. Also I quit installing Opera mobile because it hogs memory and messes with HTML file opening, so I have been using the new M2DC program to map the internet tab to opera mini, which runs great.
When it comes down to it, I guess it is hard to compare two great ROMs from different builders as for the end user (me in this case) the programs were installed differently with different versions in different ways.
Sorry if I mislead anybody, but my setup with 3.3.4 seems to be more stable still. Maybe I should write a tutorial for how I got my device set up with success I really have not done anything super fancy with programming, and have not touched the reg editor with either rom. I think the average user like me would benefit from using DCD's latest if they like M2D.
Just my .02
I tried 3.3.4 for a few days after using pre3 for about a month. I always like DCD ROMs, but I also like having more memory. On 3.3.4, I found that windows mobile would close opera when I changed opened other programs, while this would happen less so with pre3.
A few days later, the new nueROM came out. I tried it for a few days, but the internet explorer drove me crazy. I use Beyondpod for podcasts, and that program is based on internet explorer. It changed Beyondpod layout (which I learned how to fix in the registry), and seemed to have more connection problems.
So now I am back to pre3. My biggest complaint is nueROM has that touch-like finger scrolling, which I hate cause it means I can't highlight. I've looked high and low over the internet to no avail.
as far as memory leaks, I have to phone set up to reset every 4am (and close my flashcard program). I never really checked to see how much leaking there is, and just started the daily resets a couple of days ago.
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My testing may be skewed slightly and I apologize. I cooked MSVC into 3pre3 and have been reading that has a few memory leaks. 3.3.4 has no voice command, and it would not be fair to add a cab VS. cooking with an oem between the two ROMs. I also added MS office apps for work by cab to 3pre3, although they did not seem to have any memory leaks as far as I could tell.
I was trying to be as subjective as possible, but those were two Items I had completely forgot about this morning when I typed this
Also, if running M2D I always disable the weather, search and music tabs as I launch programs from the launcher tab to do these tasks. The weather tab alone causes much memory leakage and always has since I first ran M2D. Also I quit installing Opera mobile because it hogs memory and messes with HTML file opening, so I have been using the new M2DC program to map the internet tab to opera mini, which runs great.
When it comes down to it, I guess it is hard to compare two great ROMs from different builders as for the end user (me in this case) the programs were installed differently with different versions in different ways.
Sorry if I mislead anybody, but my setup with 3.3.4 seems to be more stable still. Maybe I should write a tutorial for how I got my device set up with success I really have not done anything super fancy with programming, and have not touched the reg editor with either rom. I think the average user like me would benefit from using DCD's latest if they like M2D.
Just my .02
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Could you write the tutorial? This would help out some of us.
TY in adv.
kdj67f said:
Sorry if I mislead anybody, but my setup with 3.3.4 seems to be more stable still. Maybe I should write a tutorial for how I got my device set up with success I really have not done anything super fancy with programming, and have not touched the reg editor with either rom. I think the average user like me would benefit from using DCD's latest if they like M2D.
Just my .02
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TUTORIAL PLZX!
Well, after reading all this, I think I am going to reflash and give the new DCD ROM a try. Although nueROM3 is great, I also think there is some memory leaks somewhere - I go from 25MB sometimes down to 13MB with nothing but M2D loaded, even without VC - plus, I hate the new IE! It is so VERY slow - I use Opera Mini but for the times I absolutely need to use IE I can't with this new version.
I'll let you know what I think once I run it for awhile.
Well, I am thinking about going back the other way, as when I installed windows live cab I always use, it really ****ed up my contacts. it attached all my onlive hotmail contacts to existing entries in my phonebook, none of which were correct. This means windows live (3 different current versions I have tried) messenger does not work, as does dialing by name. there are too many additions to the contact list. I hard reset 3.3.4 and reloaded all my contacts and went through the whole install again and it still occurs.
Great ROM, but tha twas a deal breaker. I think I may try 3pre3 again, but try tweaking it all i can to keep those memory leaks down. At least then I can keep my contacts seperated
I am not writing a tutorial here, that was kind of a joke. there are tutorials for loading cabs for any program you would like on here, just search and find them. Me finding problems weeks after loading roms is why I am no developer by any means. Saved you all the hassle of re-writing your contcts!
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Well, I am thinking about going back the other way, as when I installed windows live cab I always use, it really ****ed up my contacts. it attached all my onlive hotmail contacts to existing entries in my phonebook, none of which were correct. This means windows live (3 different current versions I have tried) messenger does not work, as does dialing by name. there are too many additions to the contact list. I hard reset 3.3.4 and reloaded all my contacts and went through the whole install again and it still occurs.
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Windows live synced contacts IS a major snafu. But hey, you get what you pay for. I use my Exchange for all my contacts. Never a problem.
Whenever I install windows live I ALWAYS uncheck sync contacts. The problem is that everytime you open up contacts on the mogul, it starts an internet connection to sync with your Live contacts. So your contacts look empty until it syncs. This can take a LONG time.
Hope this helps...
Chuck
XDA member tends to lean toward DCD because he releases his work here and is more geared toward stability.
If you start same same exact post over at ppcgeeks, I bet nueROM is preferred by users, cause he releases overthere.
bottomline
DCD = lean solid ROM, no flashy junk that usully causes leaks and problem ; for advance users
NueTOM = ROM with nice goodies; but goodies comes with baggage (i.e. few memory leaks, occasional crashes, soft reset); recommended for intermediate users.
Well, I am thinking myself about going back to nueROM. Not that I don't like DCDs work - it is great - but with 3.3.4 there still seems to be some memory leaks (keeps going down). I also heard that DCD kinda rushed the 3.3.4 release just to get it out there because of the pressure. Plus, I love the extra memory that nueROM gives me.
However, the one thing that really bugs me with nueROM is that in his latest unified kitchen he included that stupid new mobile IE browser - that thing is the slowest pig in the world! I use Opera Mini for most of my browsing, but when I do need IE it is just too frustrating. Would rather keep the old IE on there. Anyone know if there is a cab somewhere that will replace the new IE with the older mobile IE version.
Anyway, I may go back to nueROM for the time being but when DCD makes his next new ROM then I may try it again.
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Anyone know if there is a cab somewhere that will replace the new IE with the older mobile IE version.
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I found this on the nueruom thread. I tried it with the latest neurom, and internet explorer seemed to work like the old IE. That of course didn't help me. My problem is with BeyondPod, my podcast player, which relies on IE for it's formatting. That was still messed up. So I am using nueROM pre3, which has the old IE. I am addicted to the extra RAM.
if using a kitchen, remove the folder BROWSINGIE from the core before cooking. The browser defaults to pIE instead of IE6.
Apparently, IE6 is just a bunch of plugins and junk that sits atop pocketIE. If you remove them, pie is still there.
Works better this way than installing a .cab, and I've found myself able to do all the stuff that ie6 broke (flash bundle, logmein, etc).
nueCPL Kernel
Hi all,
I just tried the nuerom -m for titan. Earlier I was on DCD 3.3.4, which i think is better than nuerom. One feature that i liked in nuerom is of - disabling camer and using high memory by nueCPL kernel. Is this possible on DCD Rom 3.3.4. It fress up almost 5mb of Ram and camera is used very rarely so it can be disabled. Any body to help.
Regards
Tarun
no you cannot rescue the RAM that the camera uses in dcd roms.
Hey,
I've installed (several times actually) VillainROM 6.1 today with full wipes of everything before hands and all. Great job and thank you for putting so much effort in it! I do have few small issues however. And would appreaciate if somebody would knew and shared a workaround or fix. ^__^
1. The ROM is quite sluggish. It's not slow per se but it's not snappy either. I suppose it's due to the problem of it being a memory hog. I mean I use Task Control to kill all the unnecessary apps during regulas usage and use to use a widget for it as well. In stock 1.5 (don't get me wrong, I do not wanna go back by no means) when using many apps my memory went down to about 55-65MBs and on a regular usage it stayed around 80-90MBs of free memory. In VR6.1 when I use it heavily memory goes down to 10-30MB and on a regular usage it floats in the vicinity of 40-50MBs tops. When I kill all the apps however I get anything between 80 and 90MBs of free memory. For about two minutes, cause even if I don't do anything it the device restarts all the services and is back at 40-50 in no time. Is there a way to deal with that or shall I just learn to live with it?
2. There's many apps that I don't and won't use and would like to remove those but when I do so through adb shell I start getting Force quites on GoogleApps and can't use Market at all. I wanna get rid of Adobe Reader, Footprints, Friend Stream, Java, News and Weather, PDF Viewer, Quick Office, Stocks, Voice Dialer, Voice Search and Weather, so if anyone knows which ones are safe to remove without compromising systems stability, I'd appreciate all the help.
3. I've also followed your guide of partitioning SD card for apps2SD that was supposed to work out-of-the-box when partitions are done right. At the moment they don't work at all as my space have rapidyly gone dow in a moile when I wasa installing them. How can I make sure that they work. I don't mean checkSD here I'm after a list of adb sjell commands to have it working or any other way really?
4. And last but not least... I'm not even sure if it's a problem I'm experiencing or is it something that is not supported but I've downloaded Overclock widget and it's not working as if it was not supported by kernel. I've used it on other ROM and it was fine so I don't know if it requires any tweaks or is it just not usablle in VR6.1?
I did not write all that to point out problems with the ROM or to say that I hate it - I like it and that's why I'm not switching to another one but seeking help in improving my experience with VR6.1. ^__^ Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!
jump over to villainrom.co.uk
they have these known issues reported and have fixes to most. Plus 6.2.0 is out so worth upgrading to that!
kad3t said:
Hey,
I've installed (several times actually) VillainROM 6.1 today with full wipes of everything before hands and all. Great job and thank you for putting so much effort in it! I do have few small issues however. And would appreaciate if somebody would knew and shared a workaround or fix. ^__^
1. The ROM is quite sluggish. It's not slow per se but it's not snappy either. I suppose it's due to the problem of it being a memory hog. I mean I use Task Control to kill all the unnecessary apps during regulas usage and use to use a widget for it as well. In stock 1.5 (don't get me wrong, I do not wanna go back by no means) when using many apps my memory went down to about 55-65MBs and on a regular usage it stayed around 80-90MBs of free memory. In VR6.1 when I use it heavily memory goes down to 10-30MB and on a regular usage it floats in the vicinity of 40-50MBs tops. When I kill all the apps however I get anything between 80 and 90MBs of free memory. For about two minutes, cause even if I don't do anything it the device restarts all the services and is back at 40-50 in no time. Is there a way to deal with that or shall I just learn to live with it?
2. There's many apps that I don't and won't use and would like to remove those but when I do so through adb shell I start getting Force quites on GoogleApps and can't use Market at all. I wanna get rid of Adobe Reader, Footprints, Friend Stream, Java, News and Weather, PDF Viewer, Quick Office, Stocks, Voice Dialer, Voice Search and Weather, so if anyone knows which ones are safe to remove without compromising systems stability, I'd appreciate all the help.
3. I've also followed your guide of partitioning SD card for apps2SD that was supposed to work out-of-the-box when partitions are done right. At the moment they don't work at all as my space have rapidyly gone dow in a moile when I wasa installing them. How can I make sure that they work. I don't mean checkSD here I'm after a list of adb sjell commands to have it working or any other way really?
4. And last but not least... I'm not even sure if it's a problem I'm experiencing or is it something that is not supported but I've downloaded Overclock widget and it's not working as if it was not supported by kernel. I've used it on other ROM and it was fine so I don't know if it requires any tweaks or is it just not usablle in VR6.1?
I did not write all that to point out problems with the ROM or to say that I hate it - I like it and that's why I'm not switching to another one but seeking help in improving my experience with VR6.1. ^__^ Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!
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As said above, if you pop over to villainrom.co.uk, we can get you sorted out. 6.2 is out with fixes. As for 3, there is a great guide under "Guides" that will get A2SD checked and fixed.
Hey all,
I've recently rooted and I'm loving it. Quick background, I've recently rooted using the erisuser1 tutorial at android forums (VERY VERY helpful thank you!). I demo'd a few different ROMs, and decided I really wanted to keep some SenseUI feel, so ended up with xtrSense 4.2. It's worked really well for me, but I may be trying more in the near future (recommendations are welcome!). After the load, I've also utilized SetCPU for OC'ing, which was the main impetus for rooting. Has that ever made a difference! However, the question remains, what next? First, there are a couple things I know I want to do...
1. Remove stock apps: xtrSense did a nice job of removing a lot of bloatware from the OS, but some still remain, i.e. Amazon MP3 and teeter. It seems the xtrSense ROM included scripts for use in GScript to remove these, but I have yet to get them to work when following the steps outlined in the xtrSense post here at XDA. Has anyone had success using this method? If not, shouldn't the mere fact that I have root give me access to removing these programs via another method? What other apps/processes are used to remove stock apps once root is achieved? Any help would be awesome.
2. A2SD, C2SD & C2C: Does anyone use these processes? If so, how has it been achieved? Again, it seems the xtrSense 4.2 ROM included scripts for use in GScript to added this functionality, but I have never seen an increase in internal memory after using the scripts. I have undertaken the prereq that is partitioning my SD card, and have yet to see any success. Have others been successful using this or another process to achieve A2SD, C2SD or C2C? If so, how? Also, are there any cons to doing any of these? Any help in this regard would be MUCH appreciated.
3. What have YOU done post-root? I'm very very happy with what root, ROM and OC has done for the speed and battery life of my phone. However, I'm certain there are a million more tweaks that can be done to improve the speed and user experience of this cool little device, and I would be love to hear what others have done to further enjoy using the Droid Eris. What are your recommendations? Feel free to let me know!
Ok, any help in these areas would be really appreciated. Thanks for reading through this long post, and know that I am also happy to share any knowledge in regards to the steps I have already taken to get to this point.
Thank you!
Make the rom your own! mess with the theme, install bootanimations, make your own boot.
Change the splash screen (skateboard screen) don't be afraid to mess with the system just make sure you do nandroid backups. Try to figure how to add the features by yourself, struggle with it a little, that's always fun. Follow a few tutorials, like when I was starting there wasn't much documentation on how to enable a2sd by changing the boot.img so I had fun figuring that out.
Hope this gives you a few ideas ;p
Edit: if you going to be messing with phone I would suggest adding a linux partition to your computer if you are a windows person. Makes your life easier no need to worry about drivers etc
Sent from my Eris using XDA App
Agree, wholeheartedly! I've been rooted since July, and have learned a lot using this forum. It's great to be able to change the boot logo screen, boot animations, etc. You can also improve battery life, increase speed, etc. After root, it's like having a new phone, and you have a greater sense of control over your device each time you learn something new. Have fun!
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1. Remove stock apps: xtrSense did a nice job of removing a lot of bloatware from the OS, but some still remain, i.e. Amazon MP3 and teeter. It seems the xtrSense ROM included scripts for use in GScript to remove these, but I have yet to get them to work when following the steps outlined in the xtrSense post here at XDA. Has anyone had success using this method? If not, shouldn't the mere fact that I have root give me access to removing these programs via another method? What other apps/processes are used to remove stock apps once root is achieved? Any help would be awesome.
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I don't know what to tell you, as removing stock applications with zach.xtr's Gscript process has always worked flawlessly for me. You may want to upgrade to the new xtrSENSE4.6 Beta that is out (you can find it by browser the more recent posts at the end of the xtrSENSE thread--Zach posted a link).
All I can say is that, when using Gscripts, make sure that you have "Needs SU?" checked. Aside from that, you just need to load Zach's scripts into Gscripts. After you load the scripts, have you pressed them? Just because you've loaded them into Gscripts doesn't mean they've run. You actually need to press on them to run them.
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2. A2SD, C2SD & C2C: Does anyone use these processes? If so, how has it been achieved? Again, it seems the xtrSense 4.2 ROM included scripts for use in GScript to added this functionality, but I have never seen an increase in internal memory after using the scripts. I have undertaken the prereq that is partitioning my SD card, and have yet to see any success. Have others been successful using this or another process to achieve A2SD, C2SD or C2C? If so, how? Also, are there any cons to doing any of these? Any help in this regard would be MUCH appreciated.
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I've used all of them at various points in time--I used to use A2SD and C2SD, but ever since C2C was developed I've had no need. In xtrSENSE4.2, I'm pretty sure C2C is enabled by default. So, you don't need to worry about it UNLESS you're running low on disk space. If you're running low, how many apps do you have installed (you should be able to store ~100 with C2C)?
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3. What have YOU done post-root? I'm very very happy with what root, ROM and OC has done for the speed and battery life of my phone. However, I'm certain there are a million more tweaks that can be done to improve the speed and user experience of this cool little device, and I would be love to hear what others have done to further enjoy using the Droid Eris. What are your recommendations? Feel free to let me know!
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My recommendation would be NOT to use SetCPU. I've found that running both of Zach's Gscripts for Max and Min CPU Speed has worked better--you won't need to wait for SetCPU to load up, be granted Superuser Permission, and then adjust your clock settings on boot. Plus, you'll have one less process running at all times, increasing performance.
Additionally, you may want to take a look at the xtrSENSE4.6 Beta that I mentioned previously. New, in that version, is the first ever inclusion of Collins_ph's Battery Tweak. Previously, it could only be used with Froyo ROMs. Enabling and configuring the utility will increase battery life because it gradually turns down the speed on your processor proportionally as your battery drains.
In terms of making the ROM "your own," I'd take a look in the Theme's thread. I can't provide you a list of everything that will work on xtrSENSE, but I can confirm that both the Minimal Matte Grey and Touch of Legend MetaMorph Themes do work for xtrSENSE. Also, you may want to check out LauncherPro (Plus), if you haven't already (www.launcherpro.com)... I absolutely love LauncherPro Plus, but I'm not "actively" using it. I'm really waiting on Fede to develop acceptable Photo and Music widgets to replace HTC's Sense Widgets (if anyone has suggestions on existing replacements, please let me know...). Having said that, I run a secondary "experimental" ROM on weekend--I run xtrROM with LauncherPro Plus. If you do decide to use LauncherPro, then I'd really recommend taking a look at xtrROM verses xtrSENSE.
Also, if you're a Sense fan, you might want to check out the newest version of KaosLegendary, V18. This is a port of a Tiawanese leaked version of HTC's forecoming Wildfire Sense UI. This is an Alpha Build at the moment and there are a few nagging issues, but it's neat just to use for half a day on the weekend to see how Froyo Sense will eventually pan out.
Finally, take a look at some of the Froyo ROMs that are built around CyanogenMod 6.0 (e.g. CELB Froyo; KaosFroyo; Tazz Froyo; and I think ShadowROM). Maybe you'll find that you like CyanogenMod better than Sense and stick with that?
Good luck!
P.S. In the future, you're probably better off posting something like this in the Q&A section.
I highly reccommend downloading Titanium and running a batch back up of all your apps and data. When you flash a new rom you can download Titanium again and restore your apps and settings (saves a lot of time if you become a flashaholic). Also grab Root Explorer. It's an app that allows you to access your sd card and your rom system. Wana change your boot animation? Save the file to your sd, open Root Explorer, copy it from the sd to data/local and reboot. Same goes for stock apps. Locate them and delete. Another valuable app is a terminal emulator. Open it up, type SU to obtain superuser permission, then a2sd check. This will tell you if a2sd is functioning correctly. Type a2sd help for a list of commands to use if it's not working.
Always Nand back up and you can flash any rom you want, play with it, screw it up, who cares....nand restore and you're back to point A. I highly reccommend trying a few Froyo roms. You'll need to partition your sd back to all fat32 or it wont recognize it. Froyo is faster than 2.1 and has a stock (somewhat different) a2sd. KaosLegendary is the only current Froyo rom with sense but it's fun to play with. WARNING - many users have bricked their phones using Clockwork. Some people love it but I'm afraid of it.
If you haven't already, try ADW or Launcher Pro. Once you decide you hate one and love the other (this will happen), you wont even miss sense.
Also download Metamorph and Busybox. You'll need these to theme your rom of choice (unless you find a flashable theme).
Now, put your phone down, get back to work, and for God's sake tell your wife you love her. You haven't even talked to her in weeks!!
Sent from my nonsensikal froyo using XDA App
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I highly reccommend downloading Titanium and running a batch back up of all your apps and data. When you flash a new rom you can download Titanium again and restore your apps and settings (saves a lot of time if you become a flashaholic).
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Great post! +1 on Titantium Backup and Root Explorer--I use both.
Just a note: With Titanium Backup, I recommend scheduling it to backup both Apps + System Data and syncing it with Dropbox. This way, if something should happen, like your SD Card becomes corrupt and you can't Nand Restore, you'll be able to reflash your current ROM and Restore all Apps + System Data, since you're having a scheduled backup taken and stored in your Dropbox folder as well.
Having said that, when flashing a NEW ROM or UPGRADING, remember to Restore "Apps + Data" but NOT to do the "Restore Apps + System Data." This will ensure that if the developer of your ROM has changed any system files, they won't be messed up. Sure, it'll take you 10-15 minutes to get your ROM the way you want (e.g. Home Screens, Systems Sounds, Notifications, etc.) but it's worth it to know that everything will work properly. Since your applications and their set up have nothing to do with the ROM, you can rest easily knowing that at least they'll come back configured as you left them for the most part.
KarateExplosion6 said:
Great post! +1 on Titantium Backup and Root Explorer--I use both.
Just a note: With Titanium Backup, I recommend scheduling it to backup both Apps + System Data and syncing it with Dropbox. This way, if something should happen, like your SD Card becomes corrupt and you can't Nand Restore, you'll be able to reflash your current ROM and Restore all Apps + System Data, since you're having a scheduled backup taken and stored in your Dropbox folder as well.
Having said that, when flashing a NEW ROM or UPGRADING, remember to Restore "Apps + Data" but NOT to do the "Restore Apps + System Data." This will ensure that if the developer of your ROM has changed any system files, they won't be messed up. Sure, it'll take you 10-15 minutes to get your ROM the way you want (e.g. Home Screens, Systems Sounds, Notifications, etc.) but it's worth it to know that everything will work properly. Since your applications and their set up have nothing to do with the ROM, you can rest easily knowing that at least they'll come back configured as you left them for the most part.
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Perfectly explained, nice job sir. This should be in the rollup!! Too many people make the mistake of restoring sys data from a older rom to newer, have to watch that. Rollup
My article at http://jonsuh.com/2010/09/make-your-droid-eris-faster-smoother-and-increase-battery-life-how-to/ will give you a whole mess of ideas of what you can do post-root. Hope this article helps!
Remember, these are just my suggestions, they are not necessarily the law. Some may disagree with my suggestions, some may work well for you, other may not as well as one may think. They are just pointers to get you in the right direction
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I don't know what to tell you, as removing stock applications with zach.xtr's Gscript process has always worked flawlessly for me. You may want to upgrade to the new xtrSENSE4.6 Beta that is out (you can find it by browser the more recent posts at the end of the xtrSENSE thread--Zach posted a link).
All I can say is that, when using Gscripts, make sure that you have "Needs SU?" checked. Aside from that, you just need to load Zach's scripts into Gscripts. After you load the scripts, have you pressed them? Just because you've loaded them into Gscripts doesn't mean they've run. You actually need to press on them to run them.
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Ah, the tapping!! That did it. Also messed around (again) with titanium to get it to work, fig'd that out as well. Rookie mistakes...
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I've used all of them at various points in time--I used to use A2SD and C2SD, but ever since C2C was developed I've had no need. In xtrSENSE4.2, I'm pretty sure C2C is enabled by default. So, you don't need to worry about it UNLESS you're running low on disk space. If you're running low, how many apps do you have installed (you should be able to store ~100 with C2C)?
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Yes you're right C2C is default, I guess I'm just not certain if it's working. Apparently, there are two blocks on internal storage being used for apps in 4.2: /data/ and /cache/. I have 56mb free according to internal memory settings (/data/??) and 87.7 of 130mb used in /cache/ according to the report setting gscript Zach made. According to AppBrain I currently have 33 apps installed. 33 apps, ~100mb used already? Average of 3mb per app?? That just didn't seem right to me...maybe I'm just plain wrong. Opinions welcome!!
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My recommendation would be NOT to use SetCPU. I've found that running both of Zach's Gscripts for Max and Min CPU Speed has worked better--you won't need to wait for SetCPU to load up, be granted Superuser Permission, and then adjust your clock settings on boot. Plus, you'll have one less process running at all times, increasing performance.
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I may try that, although in full disclosure, my main reason for rooting and OC'ing was for running game console emulators. They run SO much better since OC'ing. I did try Zach's max out of the box (710 max?), but I find that my SetCPU main setting of 768,528 during normal usage makes operation even more smooth and especially works best when emulating. I want to OC even when battery is lowering until it gets to the condition threshold i set in SetCPU (amount or temp). But I still may try his scripts and lose SetCPU, thanks for the idea.
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In terms of making the ROM "your own," I'd take a look in the Theme's thread. I can't provide you a list of everything that will work on xtrSENSE, but I can confirm that both the Minimal Matte Grey and Touch of Legend MetaMorph Themes do work for xtrSENSE. Also, you may want to check out LauncherPro (Plus), if you haven't already I absolutely love LauncherPro Plus, but I'm not "actively" using it. I'm really waiting on Fede to develop acceptable Photo and Music widgets to replace HTC's Sense Widgets (if anyone has suggestions on existing replacements, please let me know...). Having said that, I run a secondary "experimental" ROM on weekend--I run xtrROM with LauncherPro Plus. If you do decide to use LauncherPro, then I'd really recommend taking a look at xtrROM verses xtrSENSE.
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So here's my questions with this: Don't apps like MetaMorph and Launcher run on top of everything that the ROM already has going on, thus adding another cumbersome running process to the already limited hardware? Wouldn't running this be akin to having two GUI's on the phone, or am I looking at this the wrong way? I'm assuming that's why you recommend switching to the more vanilla xtrROM, but maybe I'm off.
I also do badly want to try some additional ROM's once I have the time. The leaked Froyo with Sense ROM does sound intriguing and I may pursue that next.
Thanks for all the help, really appreciate the replies!
Will go the Q&A route next time too, thanks.
KarateExplosion6 said:
Great post! +1 on Titantium Backup and Root Explorer--I use both.
Just a note: With Titanium Backup, I recommend scheduling it to backup both Apps + System Data and syncing it with Dropbox. This way, if something should happen, like your SD Card becomes corrupt and you can't Nand Restore, you'll be able to reflash your current ROM and Restore all Apps + System Data, since you're having a scheduled backup taken and stored in your Dropbox folder as well.
Having said that, when flashing a NEW ROM or UPGRADING, remember to Restore "Apps + Data" but NOT to do the "Restore Apps + System Data." This will ensure that if the developer of your ROM has changed any system files, they won't be messed up. Sure, it'll take you 10-15 minutes to get your ROM the way you want (e.g. Home Screens, Systems Sounds, Notifications, etc.) but it's worth it to know that everything will work properly. Since your applications and their set up have nothing to do with the ROM, you can rest easily knowing that at least they'll come back configured as you left them for the most part.
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Great thank you both! I will take both of these posts into account when using Titanium before I go further down the ROM rabbit hole.
This is my first Custom Rom guys, so all feedback is appreciated, even if you think it sucks. which you might....
PRESENTING:
BLACKHOLE CUSTOM ROM
*Disclaimer*
I am not responsible for any damage you do to your phone, any issues you have with this ROM, or anything in general. This is provided as is and I will do my best to support this, but make no promises. This rom SHOULD WORK on any kernel or flashed over any other custom rom, or even stock, but has not been tested on all. If you flash this without wiping data all of your downloaded apps will still be on the phone, this will only remove the stock apps. If you flash any themes without these enhancements through clockworkmod recovery you will most likely remove the 15 second backlight and power button options, however metamorph themes may or may not remove these enhancements.
*End of disclaimer*
This is a project of mine because even the cleanest custom rom was never clean enough for me. I want my device to be fully customized and this was the best way I saw to do it, so I wanted to share.
This rom has almost nothing built into it. the easiest way to tell you what I removed is actually to tell you what is left...
Remaining apps:
Camera
Gmail
Market
Phone
Settings
Superuser
Task Manager
Voice Search
Swype
LauncherPro
Features:
15 Second softkey backlight
Reboot, Recovery, and Download options in the power button menu
Ultralite rom built for ultimate customization
Thats it. Once you install this as a barebones custom rom, I make it easy to install the apps that you want. I do this so that people like me can have only what they want. All you have to do is create a folder called "apps" (case sensitive) on your sdcard and copy all the .apk files you want installed as System apps into it. Then just unzip the attached folder anywhere, and run the <InstallApps.bat> file inside it.
Due to Facebook, Myspace and Twitter Sync requiring too much extra programs to run properly I will not be supporting it for the current versions of Blackhole. Once our great Devs figure out how to get AOSP running on this phone then you will be able to sync them all with their own downloaded apps, until then, it will not be a feature of this ROM. Sorry if this puts anyone off, but the point of this rom is space, speed, and battery life. SNS is just too bulky to be included.
You can get the app files from other custom roms, by unzipping them and looking in the /system/app directory or just around on the board.
Please let me know if you have any questions, or chat me up in IRC channel #samsung-fascinate on freenode.
If you need any app suggestions to replace the ones missing from this ROM please post and I will reply as soon as I can.
Changelog:
v0.3 - Standard download is Stock Theme, and the Blackmod Enhanced theme is a seperate clockwork zip. I also removed a few extra background apps.
v0.4 - Removed A LOT of background apps, including all DRM apps, and the Media Sync(MTP) mode (because, lets face it, no one who uses a custom rom is going to sync DRM tracks from windows media player)
Do not turn on Google Location Services, it will force close. This doesn't affect your GPS accuracy or lock time.
Removed accessibility aps (Kickback, Talkback, Soundback) they are all available in the market.
v0.4.1 - Added default MMS app back to fix issues with MMS not being delivered.
v0.5 - Removed several more background apps.
v0.6 - Removed even more background apps. My phone is still running fine but please let me know if you have issues. I have added the TouchWizCalendarProvider.apk into my Extra Apps link because it is required to reinstall the calendar properly.
This is still very much a Beta Rom, you may have force close issues, and if you try to access something that has been removed, you WILL get a force close. If there is something removed that you wish was still there i'm sorry, i'm working really hard to get this ready as a base for my Rom Manager Build-Your-Own-Rom idea, and that means removing everything possible. I will be glad to provide app names if something you want isn't working. please reply to this thread with any issues you have and I will try my best to work them out.
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Version 0.2
Version 0.3
Version 0.4.1
Version 0.5
Version 0.6
Theme:
Blackmod Enhanced
Extra Apps:
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B7pPUTbhkF4RZDg1ZjI4ZTMtYTA3My00ZmExLWJkODEtNDUyMWU5MzQyZDU5&hl=en
I take no credit for these, I simply put them all together in an easy to access space, for people not quite savvy enough to pull them from a system dump themselves. The AOSP apps and Stock Deodexed Apps can be installed using the installer method above, the custom apps need to be installed through Clockwork Mod Recovery just like the ROM. If i'm missing something you want added let me know and I will add it to the extra apps link if I can find it.
Thanks:
Jt1134 for script help and the Super Clean rom series that inspired me
Deodexed for the custom boot and shutdown animations
Nintendo and Square-Enix for the boot and shutdown audio
tigers4life and utermensh for their work on the extra power button options
wasupwithuman for the extended softkey backlight mod
stanrc for the BlackmodF metamorph theme
Frost for his help with integrating the mods into the theme
DlongB13 for initial testing
PhoenixPath for frequent testing, troubleshooting, and feedback.
and everyone else who helped me along the way
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Does it still have the built in messaging app?
Nice job! However, may I suggest a different name for this ROM? When I see Barebones 0.2 I thought it would be an update to the existing ROM that birdman made, this is pretty different.
it does not. the rom is not meant to be used as is, but to be customized by each person who downloads it. you can download chomp sms or handcent sms from the market, or get the stock messaging app from frostman's deodexed rom or the aosp messaging app from JT's Super Clean .04 rom and install it using the instructions in the first post.
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Nice job! However, may I suggest a different name for this ROM? When I see Barebones 0.2 I thought it would be an update to the existing ROM that birdman made, this is pretty different.
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oh yeah, that's what he named his TEST20 kernel isn't it. hmm. any suggestions anyone?
I suggest something like "skeleton" or "minimalist" or just "simple ROM". I like the sound of "Simple Rom" myself.
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I really like the idea you have. The only suggestion I would make is, for those not savvy enough to dig up system dumps, etc to find the needed .apks, maybe adding a folder called "Apks" to the rom (in which you would find all the stock removed apks), so you just copy/paste into the "sdcard" folder you create. Again, kudos to your idea of a 'build-your-own-rom' rom you have here.
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I really like the idea you have. The only suggestion I would make is, for those not savvy enough to dig up system dumps, etc to find the needed .apks, maybe adding a folder called "Apks" to the rom (in which you would find all the stock removed apks), so you just copy/paste into the "sdcard" folder you create. Again, kudos to your idea of a 'build-your-own-rom' rom you have here.
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Thank you, I appreciate that. And we are actually somewhat on the same page. this is the first dev work i've ever done and i'm learning as I go. my goal is to have this rom in Rom Manager, with custom download options like some roms have on other phones. for example you pick the Blackhole Rom, then select your version, and then it asks you which launcher you want, then which messaging app, then which contacts app, etc. that way you can choose from a list when you download it, or choose "no thanks" and get a different one yourself.
Not a fan of the theme but thanks!
I will release a stock theme update tomorrow.
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love the idea but a bit too bare for me. FC's when opening contacts through phone and no stock mms. maybe ill give it a try when i have time to customize it myself
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Thank you, I appreciate that. And we are actually somewhat on the same page. this is the first dev work i've ever done and i'm learning as I go. my goal is to have this rom in Rom Manager, with custom download options like some roms have on other phones. for example you pick the Blackhole Rom, then select your version, and then it asks you which launcher you want, then which messaging app, then which contacts app, etc. that way you can choose from a list when you download it, or choose "no thanks" and get a different one yourself.
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Like the idea!
Sent from my de-binged fascinate!
Rom has been updated and I will be requesting Rom Manager access today.
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Great idea in my opinion.
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It has a lot of potential, still would like to see original mms app as well as the original contacts app.
ryude said:
It has a lot of potential, still would like to see original mms app as well as the original contacts app.
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All of that will be available soon after I get listed on Rom manager. it's much easier that way than trying to post apk files on this topic. If you can't wait that long JT has the stock mms app already in rom manager and the mesmerize contacts app is in a topic on the forums here. it's the same as stock except a few new features.
Sorry, probably a dumb question, but am I correct in assuming that because there's no mention of TouchWiz, you've replaced it with LP?
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Sorry, probably a dumb question, but am I correct in assuming that because there's no mention of TouchWiz, you've replaced it with LP?
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yes that's correct. A little while after it's up on Rom manager I'll set it up to let you choose between LauncherPro, ADW, and Touchwiz. For starters.
I read over on other GalaxyS phones about DRM services that run in the background that take a decent toll on battery life.. Have you looked into getting them removed to further clean the system up and improve on this cleanliness?
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I read over on other GalaxyS phones about DRM services that run in the background that take a decent toll on battery life.. Have you looked into getting them removed to further clean the system up and improve on this cleanliness?
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I will certainly try it out. i've been slowly removing an app or 2 every couple of hours to see if it crashes my phone, then if all is good i'll release an update tomorrow. I'll check those out this evening.
I am hoping to find somewhere a good, stable, bug-free custom 2.1 Eclair ROM for the Streak. I have heard that the official European O2 version had bugs and issues, so I am looking for a superior custom one.
The reason I want 2.1 specifically is because all versions of Android 2.2 and beyond are hard-configured to close all background applications after a few minutes of not being used, regardless of memory use or availability. This effectively prevents all multi-tasking which is a deal breaker for me. Eclair doesn't have this problem, so it's the latest version of Android I care to use for hte time being.
Can anyone help me out by pointing me in the direction of the best 2.1 ROM available for the Streak? Specifically one that will work on the Rogers, AT&T or factory unlocked version that uses North American 3G bands?
Alternatively if no such thing exists, is there an easy way to get the regular 2.1 ROM onto one of these Streaks, and fix the issues reported to exist on it?
Thanks very much for any help...
To accomplish what you are talking about all you need is one of two different apps to be able to multi-task...
I was using Multi-Tasking Pro but for some reason it began to force close each time I tried to use it. Then I found a free app that doesn't have quite as many features but still lets me multi-task which is called Task XP, look it up in the market.
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To accomplish what you are talking about all you need is one of two different apps to be able to multi-task...
I was using Multi-Tasking Pro but for some reason it began to force close each time I tried to use it. Then I found a free app that doesn't have quite as many features but still lets me multi-task which is called Task XP, look it up in the market.
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Thanks, I have checked out these two apps (and other similar ones) and while they allow you to switch between currently running apps/tasks, they do not override/disable Froyo's default behaviour of closing all backgrounded applications after a few minutes of inactivity.
If I leave Ebuddy and Documents To Go running in the background, and I go away for ten minutes or take a phone call, when I try to switch back to either of them, they have been automatically closed by the Android system. Android 2.2 and 2.3 do this on all devices, and the apps you mentioned above do not prevent it.
Ok, I see where you are coming from. Then I have to assume that if your phone is shutting down high priority tasks that you use often, you must have way too many others running in the background.
For a while there I was using a program called AutoKiller Memory Optimizer, where you can decide which apps are shut down first and white list those you don't want to shut down unless you are out of memory....
THen I switched from that to another app from the same developer called AutoRun Manager, which is a startup manager, but it also gives advanced functions for switching programs on and off depending what your phone is doing.
Like I don't need Skype and Fring to start up automatically, only when I select them, likewise Facebook and Twitter and things such as that, only start up under the conditions I want them too.
So if you have a program running that is shut down by Android automatically its only because something else is looking to occupy it's spot in the memory
GingerStreak (2.0) is stable when setting WIFI policy sleep to "NEVER". No random reboots after that. You might have to rebuild your APKs to avoid force close issues. Stay away from ROM Manager and Titanium Backup for apps; data is fine.
He can't use 2.0.0 because it is Android version 2.3. As for a stable 2.1 I would try either the O2 official (it might be the best you can do), the AT&T beta 2.1 (probably a bit buggier, but I'm not sure), or look at the earliest releases of StreakDroid. I'm not sure on the early releases, but they MIGHT be 2.1. For the official ROMs check the Streak wiki, you can find it on this site. As for tthe StreakDroid, you can look throught the Android Dec subforum on this site, or check on StreakDroid.com (I think they're rebuilding right now, so it might be a while for that). Any other questions just ask
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