nueROM3 vs. DCD 3.3.4 - Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development

Has anyone compared DCDs newest ROM (3.3.4) to the latest nueROM3? Now that Scrosler is no longer going to produce new ROMs for us, I am running Update 20 of Manila 2D on nueROM3 (produced via kitchen). However, just curious how that compares, as far as stability goes, to DCDs latest. I always liked DCDs work, but had to start using nueROM awhile ago because of memory.
Anyone ran the latest of these two and can offer an unbiased opinion?

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I've been doing my own M2D+nueROM3 for a while now.
I have to say, if you spend the time and patience, you can end up with a beautiful build. I'm very happy with mine right now.
As far as comparing to DCD 3.3.4, I haven't messed with 3.3.4 and refuse to do so without the kitchen.
Do you have an opinion on the new PocketIE yet?

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scrawnyb: I'm finding the same thing so far, not too bad with latest nueROM3 + Manila 2D Update 20, but since DCDs ROMs are usually very stable, just wanted to see what others thought.
Personally, I think the new IE looks good, but it is just TOOOOO slow! Obviously was designed for a machine with more memory. So most of the time I just stick with Opera Mini; however, there are times when I have to use IE simply because the site only works on IE, or it is simply safer to use a stand-alone browser (like when going to mobile bank site). Personally, I wish I could reinstall the old IE Mobile - you know of a way to do that with nueROM3?

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I perfer nuerom's memory management over DCD 3.3.4. Not to mention being able to turn the camera off and start at 28 megs free.

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After trying both for a week without M2D installed and a week with M2D installed I find that 3.3.4 has pretty much no memory leaks, where 3pre3 had terrible memory leaks. 3.3.4 would boot for me at about 27 Mb and after a few days wold only leak down to 25 at idle (few days without a soft reset). Same situation with 3pre3 would have me booting at 32 Mb and leaking down to about 25 after a few days (no soft reset either).
With M2d installed and configured how I like, 3pre3 would boot at 26Mb and would leak down to about 21 Mb by the end of the day. 3.3.4 with the exact same configuration boots at about 21Mb and after a few days has not leaked down past 20 Mb.
I took all memory samples the same way: Fresh installs of ROMs, added my preferred cabs (Java, one game, skyfire, etc...) soft reset then waited for full boot. Closed all programs in task manager and used oxios hibernate. Then after a few days, just soft reset and used oxios hibernate. Then I did the same process, (I started with a hard reset on both ROMS) and installed the same apps and then M2D without opera mobile.
Only thing I wished I would have done was to take screen shots so I could have posted them.
Although 3pre3 does have more RAM at boot in both cases,I think I am still going to run 3.3.4 until the next version of nuerom comes out to try. I dont mind soft resetting every day, but if i ever forgot to with 3pre3 i would eventually get some out of memory error messages until I reset. So far after about a week with 3.3.4 I have not had any error messages after a few days just closing apps down, no reset.
DCD just has rock solid ROMs, what more can we say but a big Thank you?
I forgot to mention that 3pre3 with camera enabled had less available RAM than 3.3.4 in both cases. Only 1~2 Mb difference but it was worth mentioning.
Also I cooked different versions of ROMs with M2d in the kitchen and they were the absolute worst on memory leaks. I still use cab installs from the M2d thread, still using update 19b files and procedure. seems to work good on my device.

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kdj67f said:
After trying both for a week without M2D installed and a week with M2D installed I find that 3.3.4 has pretty much no memory leaks, where 3pre3 had terrible memory leaks. 3.3.4 would boot for me at about 27 Mb and after a few days wold only leak down to 25 at idle (few days without a soft reset). Same situation with 3pre3 would have me booting at 32 Mb and leaking down to about 25 after a few days (no soft reset either).
With M2d installed and configured how I like, 3pre3 would boot at 26Mb and would leak down to about 21 Mb by the end of the day. 3.3.4 with the exact same configuration boots at about 21Mb and after a few days has not leaked down past 20 Mb.
I took all memory samples the same way: Fresh installs of ROMs, added my preferred cabs (Java, one game, skyfire, etc...) soft reset then waited for full boot. Closed all programs in task manager and used oxios hibernate. Then after a few days, just soft reset and used oxios hibernate. Then I did the same process, (I started with a hard reset on both ROMS) and installed the same apps and then M2D without opera mobile.
Only thing I wished I would have done was to take screen shots so I could have posted them.
Although 3pre3 does have more RAM at boot in both cases,I think I am still going to run 3.3.4 until the next version of nuerom comes out to try. I dont mind soft resetting every day, but if i ever forgot to with 3pre3 i would eventually get some out of memory error messages until I reset. So far after about a week with 3.3.4 I have not had any error messages after a few days just closing apps down, no reset.
DCD just has rock solid ROMs, what more can we say but a big Thank you?
I forgot to mention that 3pre3 with camera enabled had less available RAM than 3.3.4 in both cases. Only 1~2 Mb difference but it was worth mentioning.
Also I cooked different versions of ROMs with M2d in the kitchen and they were the absolute worst on memory leaks. I still use cab installs from the M2d thread, still using update 19b files and procedure. seems to work good on my device.
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Very nice testing and detailed.
Thanks

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tssi said:
Very nice testing and detailed.
Thanks
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Agreed very nice work I used nueROM3 and DCD and am sticking with 3.3.4 but thats just my two cents

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My testing may be skewed slightly and I apologize. I cooked MSVC into 3pre3 and have been reading that has a few memory leaks. 3.3.4 has no voice command, and it would not be fair to add a cab VS. cooking with an oem between the two ROMs. I also added MS office apps for work by cab to 3pre3, although they did not seem to have any memory leaks as far as I could tell.
I was trying to be as subjective as possible, but those were two Items I had completely forgot about this morning when I typed this
Also, if running M2D I always disable the weather, search and music tabs as I launch programs from the launcher tab to do these tasks. The weather tab alone causes much memory leakage and always has since I first ran M2D. Also I quit installing Opera mobile because it hogs memory and messes with HTML file opening, so I have been using the new M2DC program to map the internet tab to opera mini, which runs great.
When it comes down to it, I guess it is hard to compare two great ROMs from different builders as for the end user (me in this case) the programs were installed differently with different versions in different ways.
Sorry if I mislead anybody, but my setup with 3.3.4 seems to be more stable still. Maybe I should write a tutorial for how I got my device set up with success I really have not done anything super fancy with programming, and have not touched the reg editor with either rom. I think the average user like me would benefit from using DCD's latest if they like M2D.
Just my .02

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I tried 3.3.4 for a few days after using pre3 for about a month. I always like DCD ROMs, but I also like having more memory. On 3.3.4, I found that windows mobile would close opera when I changed opened other programs, while this would happen less so with pre3.
A few days later, the new nueROM came out. I tried it for a few days, but the internet explorer drove me crazy. I use Beyondpod for podcasts, and that program is based on internet explorer. It changed Beyondpod layout (which I learned how to fix in the registry), and seemed to have more connection problems.
So now I am back to pre3. My biggest complaint is nueROM has that touch-like finger scrolling, which I hate cause it means I can't highlight. I've looked high and low over the internet to no avail.
as far as memory leaks, I have to phone set up to reset every 4am (and close my flashcard program). I never really checked to see how much leaking there is, and just started the daily resets a couple of days ago.

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kdj67f said:
My testing may be skewed slightly and I apologize. I cooked MSVC into 3pre3 and have been reading that has a few memory leaks. 3.3.4 has no voice command, and it would not be fair to add a cab VS. cooking with an oem between the two ROMs. I also added MS office apps for work by cab to 3pre3, although they did not seem to have any memory leaks as far as I could tell.
I was trying to be as subjective as possible, but those were two Items I had completely forgot about this morning when I typed this
Also, if running M2D I always disable the weather, search and music tabs as I launch programs from the launcher tab to do these tasks. The weather tab alone causes much memory leakage and always has since I first ran M2D. Also I quit installing Opera mobile because it hogs memory and messes with HTML file opening, so I have been using the new M2DC program to map the internet tab to opera mini, which runs great.
When it comes down to it, I guess it is hard to compare two great ROMs from different builders as for the end user (me in this case) the programs were installed differently with different versions in different ways.
Sorry if I mislead anybody, but my setup with 3.3.4 seems to be more stable still. Maybe I should write a tutorial for how I got my device set up with success I really have not done anything super fancy with programming, and have not touched the reg editor with either rom. I think the average user like me would benefit from using DCD's latest if they like M2D.
Just my .02
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Could you write the tutorial? This would help out some of us.
TY in adv.

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kdj67f said:
Sorry if I mislead anybody, but my setup with 3.3.4 seems to be more stable still. Maybe I should write a tutorial for how I got my device set up with success I really have not done anything super fancy with programming, and have not touched the reg editor with either rom. I think the average user like me would benefit from using DCD's latest if they like M2D.
Just my .02
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TUTORIAL PLZX!

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Well, after reading all this, I think I am going to reflash and give the new DCD ROM a try. Although nueROM3 is great, I also think there is some memory leaks somewhere - I go from 25MB sometimes down to 13MB with nothing but M2D loaded, even without VC - plus, I hate the new IE! It is so VERY slow - I use Opera Mini but for the times I absolutely need to use IE I can't with this new version.
I'll let you know what I think once I run it for awhile.

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Well, I am thinking about going back the other way, as when I installed windows live cab I always use, it really ****ed up my contacts. it attached all my onlive hotmail contacts to existing entries in my phonebook, none of which were correct. This means windows live (3 different current versions I have tried) messenger does not work, as does dialing by name. there are too many additions to the contact list. I hard reset 3.3.4 and reloaded all my contacts and went through the whole install again and it still occurs.
Great ROM, but tha twas a deal breaker. I think I may try 3pre3 again, but try tweaking it all i can to keep those memory leaks down. At least then I can keep my contacts seperated
I am not writing a tutorial here, that was kind of a joke. there are tutorials for loading cabs for any program you would like on here, just search and find them. Me finding problems weeks after loading roms is why I am no developer by any means. Saved you all the hassle of re-writing your contcts!

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kdj67f said:
Well, I am thinking about going back the other way, as when I installed windows live cab I always use, it really ****ed up my contacts. it attached all my onlive hotmail contacts to existing entries in my phonebook, none of which were correct. This means windows live (3 different current versions I have tried) messenger does not work, as does dialing by name. there are too many additions to the contact list. I hard reset 3.3.4 and reloaded all my contacts and went through the whole install again and it still occurs.
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Windows live synced contacts IS a major snafu. But hey, you get what you pay for. I use my Exchange for all my contacts. Never a problem.
Whenever I install windows live I ALWAYS uncheck sync contacts. The problem is that everytime you open up contacts on the mogul, it starts an internet connection to sync with your Live contacts. So your contacts look empty until it syncs. This can take a LONG time.
Hope this helps...
Chuck

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XDA member tends to lean toward DCD because he releases his work here and is more geared toward stability.
If you start same same exact post over at ppcgeeks, I bet nueROM is preferred by users, cause he releases overthere.
bottomline
DCD = lean solid ROM, no flashy junk that usully causes leaks and problem ; for advance users
NueTOM = ROM with nice goodies; but goodies comes with baggage (i.e. few memory leaks, occasional crashes, soft reset); recommended for intermediate users.

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Well, I am thinking myself about going back to nueROM. Not that I don't like DCDs work - it is great - but with 3.3.4 there still seems to be some memory leaks (keeps going down). I also heard that DCD kinda rushed the 3.3.4 release just to get it out there because of the pressure. Plus, I love the extra memory that nueROM gives me.
However, the one thing that really bugs me with nueROM is that in his latest unified kitchen he included that stupid new mobile IE browser - that thing is the slowest pig in the world! I use Opera Mini for most of my browsing, but when I do need IE it is just too frustrating. Would rather keep the old IE on there. Anyone know if there is a cab somewhere that will replace the new IE with the older mobile IE version.
Anyway, I may go back to nueROM for the time being but when DCD makes his next new ROM then I may try it again.

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SimpTheChimp said:
Anyone know if there is a cab somewhere that will replace the new IE with the older mobile IE version.
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I found this on the nueruom thread. I tried it with the latest neurom, and internet explorer seemed to work like the old IE. That of course didn't help me. My problem is with BeyondPod, my podcast player, which relies on IE for it's formatting. That was still messed up. So I am using nueROM pre3, which has the old IE. I am addicted to the extra RAM.

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if using a kitchen, remove the folder BROWSINGIE from the core before cooking. The browser defaults to pIE instead of IE6.
Apparently, IE6 is just a bunch of plugins and junk that sits atop pocketIE. If you remove them, pie is still there.
Works better this way than installing a .cab, and I've found myself able to do all the stuff that ie6 broke (flash bundle, logmein, etc).

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nueCPL Kernel
Hi all,
I just tried the nuerom -m for titan. Earlier I was on DCD 3.3.4, which i think is better than nuerom. One feature that i liked in nuerom is of - disabling camer and using high memory by nueCPL kernel. Is this possible on DCD Rom 3.3.4. It fress up almost 5mb of Ram and camera is used very rarely so it can be disabled. Any body to help.
Regards
Tarun

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no you cannot rescue the RAM that the camera uses in dcd roms.