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Hi guys
I've been facing since I bought my HTC Athena irregular freeze everyday.
I upgraded the Device to WM6 the next day I received it, it went very soomth with my applications installed.
However, the freeze appear very randomly, it could be while launching a new program, or playing backgammon, sometimes after device wake up, also once when received an SMS.
A very weird behavior also, is that sometimes I need to soft-reset 3/4 times in a row to get passed the HTC and the Windows Mobile splash screen.
For info, the soft-reset is not necessarly done after a freeze ....
I decided to start this new topic in order to see if other people are facing same symptoms on their Athena, and to share our experience together.
Cheers
Hope you run Oli's SPL Unlocker/patcher...
BigDede said:
Hi guys
I've been facing since I bought my HTC Athena irregular freeze everyday.
I upgraded the Device to WM6 the next day I received it, it went very soomth with my applications installed.
However, the freeze appear very randomly, it could be while launching a new program, or playing backgammon, sometimes after device wake up, also once when received an SMS.
A very weird behavior also, is that sometimes I need to soft-reset 3/4 times in a row to get passed the HTC and the Windows Mobile splash screen.
For info, the soft-reset is not necessarly done after a freeze ....
I decided to start this new topic in order to see if other people are facing same symptoms on their Athena, and to share our experience together.
Cheers
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Sorry no such problems here, but did you run Olipro's SPL patcher/Unlocker before flashing thee ROM? I know tupsindin released a few WM6 ROMs a while ago that could be flashed without CID unlocking your X7500, but Olipro's Unlocker will make your device unbrickable.
If you have already done this, try flashing the new WM6 Dopod U1000 ROM seems very stable to me with no issues so far and slightly snappier than the other WM6 ROMs.
Thks mackaby for your reply
I did unlock it via the UK website I found on XDA forum, sorry but can't remember the name (soemthing IMEI), so I did that then flashed with the WM6 ROM ver 2.20.405.1
Im doing some more testing
what is really annoying is that I need to do 4/5 soft reset very ofently in order to pass by the HTC/Windows Mobile splash screen
I just bought my HTC Advantage X7500 with WM6 already installed and I have lock up issues if I have auto shutoff enabled it will not start backup after a auto shut off I keep using the reset to get it back up. When it is up I just disabled the auto shut off and now have no problems.
Im not having same pb as you, but I saw on one thread on XDA forums that people having that problem fixed it by assigning a the turn on/off device to a hardware button. and apparently it fixed their problem.
Try that and it must fix it for you
BigDede said:
Hi guys
I've been facing since I bought my HTC Athena irregular freeze everyday.
I upgraded the Device to WM6 the next day I received it, it went very soomth with my applications installed.
However, the freeze appear very randomly, it could be while launching a new program, or playing backgammon, sometimes after device wake up, also once when received an SMS.
A very weird behavior also, is that sometimes I need to soft-reset 3/4 times in a row to get passed the HTC and the Windows Mobile splash screen.
For info, the soft-reset is not necessarly done after a freeze ....
I decided to start this new topic in order to see if other people are facing same symptoms on their Athena, and to share our experience together.
Cheers
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Hi,
I have encountered in the past this problem, and I observed that it was happening after I installed HTC X-Button v1.5, and it was even worse after HTC X-Button v1.51.
Later on, a new version was published, and it works flawlessly since. The exact file is HTC X-Button v1.51 build 30229.
Hope you have same issue. Good luck,
Zohar
Thks zoharbl for you reply
I don't have HTC x-button
For now, I found an alternative with Running Pocket Hack Master at 663 Mhz, and I modified the sequence for startup processes using SKTools putting Pocket Hack Master as #1 in the order, Wisbar Advance 3 as #2, SPB Diary as the last one and Norton Antivirus just before the last one.
I noticed that SPB Diary is slowing down a bit my device, and specially after a reset, this is because I created custom tab adding plugins inside this tab such Phone Alarm, SPB Weather and Resco Explorer Plugin ...
I tried many config, and found out this one works the best for me, the device is resetting with less then 30 sec without any hanging anymore.
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and I observed that it was happening after I installed HTC X-Button v1.5, and it was even worse after HTC X-Button v1.51.
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Really interesting comment. I have original WM5 configured UK Ameo and have always experienced random crashes. After reading this, I looked again at my settings and found the X-button configured - I don't need it as I use the same functionality from Wisbar. Turned it off and it hasn't crashed since.
You learn something every day
BigDede said:
For now, I found an alternative with Running Pocket Hack Master at 663 Mhz, and I modified the sequence for startup processes using SKTools putting Pocket Hack Master as #1 in the order, Wisbar Advance 3 as #2, SPB Diary as the last one and Norton Antivirus just before the last one.
I noticed that SPB Diary is slowing down a bit my device, and specially after a reset, this is because I created custom tab adding plugins inside this tab such Phone Alarm, SPB Weather and Resco Explorer Plugin ...
I tried many config, and found out this one works the best for me, the device is resetting with less then 30 sec without any hanging anymore.
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Hi there BigDede
Don't know if this will help...
Even since before I have upgraded to WM6 I have had problems similar to yours. At the time I had WA3 and WAD installed as well as Spb Weather, Spb Diary and certain parts of Pocketplus. I did a trail and removed all software from Spb and Wisbar and everything worked perfectly. In the meantime I have now only added Spb Mobile Suite and use iLauncher on my today screen together with the plugin from Resco Explorer - no more problems!
It seems to me that some of the above software have compatibilty issues with the U1000/Athena/Ameo (whether wm2005 or wm6 makes a difference I don't know).
Cheers
Thks Superdawie for your reply, you are right, I was suspecting Wisbar, SPB Diary abd phoneAlarm to be the origin of my problems.
But as I said previously, I found a workaround to make the Athena runs ok by playing with the order of startup programs. It's been more then one week without any freeze
Mrsums said:
Really interesting comment. I have original WM5 configured UK Ameo and have always experienced random crashes. After reading this, I looked again at my settings and found the X-button configured - I don't need it as I use the same functionality from Wisbar. Turned it off and it hasn't crashed since.
You learn something every day
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Same for me, working well on WM6 since I turned X-Button 1.51 off.
In WM5 I had this problem all the time as WM5 totally sucks!
In WM6 I only experienced this problem when programs "collided" due to timing issues as you've found out. By changing the load order or timing of some applications (some programs have it built right in like SmallMenu....it's resolved all of my lock up issues, etc. Most of the problems can be resolved by playing around with the software you have loaded, as you found out. Not sure if it's because of a crappy OS or because of crappy coding by the developers of the software we're installing...maybe both.
Well I have had to do a hard reset and one flash in the last 2 weeks. I am beginning to lose my mind I guess.
The first time after I did the install.The phone works fine for a few days, then it Sloooooows down to a creeping level. It would freeze from time to time and would take forever to open a program. I thought PhotoContacts Pro 5 caused this. So I did a Flashed after the phone froze all the time on the Splash screen just about to load Windows. But after that I reinstalled all my programs and it worked fine for a few days then it went back to freezing again, taking an eternity to Open any program. And mark you, I did not install PhotoCOntacts this time. I did a hard reset and reinstalled everything again, and since yesterday, it's been doing the same thing again. My Ram is always free, like 10- 15 MB left when running. Coz I use one program at a time. So, please what could I be doing wrong? Am I skipping something. I never had this problem with dcd 3.0.4.
Any insight is highly appreciated.
Thank you
Can you list the programs you have installed? And what do you have built into ROM. did you use Kitchen or Prebuilt?
I used Pre-built
I have
Adobe Reader 2.0
Flash lite 2.1
Office Mobile 6.1
HTC Album
HTC Audio Manager
HTC Home Customizer
HTC Cube by Xplode
Extreme Text 1.2
Java Emulator
MemMaid 2.0
Microsoft One Note
PHM Registry Editor
FlashBundle for Youtube
TCMP player
Pocket Rar
PPC-6800
psShutXP
Resco Radio
Skyfire
Sprite Backup
TomTom Navigator
VoiceSpeed Dial
Skype for Windows Mobile
Slick IM
Sprint TV
Live Search
Google Maps
PdaNet
WMWifiRouter
Yahoo GO 3.0 Beta
sMMS
Sprint Home Screen Plugin
GPS toggle
HTC Task Manager
HTC Large Start Menu
HTC Large Taskbar
Nue Audio
Well that's it, I know it's a lot , but they all use to run in Harmony
With that big of a list, your best bet will probably be to load a few at a time, use it for a couple of days to see if the problem recurs, so you can narrow it down. There are some programs that don't play well with 6.1.
I also notice you say you have onenote listed. That is already included with msoffice apps in dcd's kitchen. Maybe installing on top has caused a problem with this or some other app?
Yup, limit down on the apps/util that always have a process running -- ie. HTC apps & the cube. Plus, a lot of your others often have a today item running, so close those down.
Most of us go after no less than 16-18 MB (or better) after a re-boot. With you at only 10-15MB free, you have plenty running that the rest of us choose to do without.
Damionix said:
I have
Adobe Reader 2.0
Flash lite 2.1
Office Mobile 6.1
HTC Album
HTC Audio Manager
HTC Home Customizer
HTC Cube by Xplode
Extreme Text 1.2
Java Emulator
MemMaid 2.0
Microsoft One Note
PHM Registry Editor
FlashBundle for Youtube
TCMP player
Pocket Rar
PPC-6800
psShutXP
Resco Radio
Skyfire
Sprite Backup
TomTom Navigator
VoiceSpeed Dial
Skype for Windows Mobile
Slick IM
Sprint TV
Live Search
Google Maps
PdaNet
WMWifiRouter
Yahoo GO 3.0 Beta
sMMS
Sprint Home Screen Plugin
GPS toggle
HTC Task Manager
HTC Large Start Menu
HTC Large Taskbar
Nue Audio
Well that's it, I know it's a lot , but they all use to run in Harmony
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I have used most if not all of these apps except for PPC-6800 (not sure what it is) Hers the ones I had to cut out.
HTC Home - seemed no matter what version i used it ate speed and memory. I use the time/date format on the top bar and wisbar adds battery status. I use pocket weather with custom skin as thats primarily what i used the home plugin for.
HTC Taskmanager (X-Button) - phone ran much better without it, had better luck with wisbar lite of full.
Yahoo Go - I have never had this work well, on any phone...
HTC Cube - While it may not continuously eat ram, it does use 2 to 3 meg after you fist use it. I use the GL version and close it with task manager after using it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=358102&highlight=cube
Voice Command - If it is the MS version it uses 1 to 2 meg and can lock up. Generally i don't have problems with it but it does consume ram.
One I see you don't have that caused me issues was Schap advanced config util. After i ran it i wouldn't be able to answer incoming calls among other issues.
Another question would be; are you syncing e-mail? how much and how many accounts? I have found if i sync less days it helped with stability(although its probably just me). I sync to an exchange server, gmail, and yahoo.
i've had a few issues with 3.1.2 that i didn't have with 3.0.4 either. Radio is still the same i had on both builds..i'm using 3.37 from Alltel's OEM Radio/Rom. I haven't quite researched how to update to Radio 3.39 from my SD, so that's why i'm still with 3.37.
My problems are these:
1) Anytime i'm in Roaming and get a call, a big screen comes up and says "Roaming Charges May apply". I've never had that before.
2) When i'm on the phone and someone calls in, the loud call waiting buzz comes up, but if i ignore it, and let the user leave a voicemail, it cuts my current call off. It seems to do it worse if/when they leave a voicemail.
3) When i'm on the phone i was under the impression that data was knocked off. I've never had this problem before, but now if i'm on the phone, my phone shuts off if/when an email comes in.
4) GPS isn't even close. when i flash back to 3.0.4 it's right on. For some reason with 3.1.2 it's 20-30 miles off. Really weird.
5) Weird again because this shouldn't be a Rom issue, but my signal is totally lower than it was with 3.0.4
no biggies, i can go back to 3.0.4 because it was very solid, but here are a few of my issues.
Thanx everyone
Edit:
I decided to wait a whole day and see, after carrying out all the advice I was given. Well the problem still persists and still takes long to open programs. I have decided to go back to 3.0.4. That was more stable for me. Hopefully it will let me downgrade.
Is their a way to see what applications are starting up and running in memory when you power on your phone, and also see what's running when you are using your phone and eating up your memory and stoping them from starting up? I"m having a problem with my memory getting eaten up and the, "Running Program List" is showing that nothing is running. As I use the phone the memory gets even lower even though nothing is showing up as running in Task Manager. I keep having running out of memory errors. When I turn off and on my phone I only have about 12MB of program memory free. If I use the phone for a little bit it gets down to 9MB or so even after I end any tasks that are running. It's becoming a real big issue. I would also like to keep ActiveSync for automatically starting up everytime I turn on the phone. Thanks for the help and time.
wow 12 on startup? Looks to me, you should first flash to a new ROM, take for example- dCd's 3.2.6 which gives roughly 25 MB on startup..
You can use MemMaid to help you see whats running on startup and you can also disable them through MemMaid. Another cool feature it has is the Registry Tweaks, Optimize it for Memory and you'll have a nice amount of RAM on startup as well
Also, Titan's been known to have memory leaks all the time, use programs like Oxios Hibernate to reclaim stale RAM, soft reset on a daily basis and you should be ok
He's already running DCD3.2.6 according to his signature.
I'd suggest posting everything you have installed along with what Today plug-ins you have running and maybe someone can help you out.
A hard reset should put you back to a blank slate if you're willing to go that far to solve your problem...
Apota said:
I keep having running out of memory errors. When I turn off and on my phone I only have about 12MB of program memory free. .
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Are you running MS Voice Command by any chance?? That program is one of the worst memory hogs I have ever seen & also has a bad memory leak so the longer it's running the worse it gets.
~John
Quick Menu is an awesome, small, free program that that shows you in the start menu which programs are running. You can also set Quick Menu to "totally close" the program when click "X" or "ok". I love this program.
I already have 3.2.6. Is there any free programs that will free up the memory? I've spent so much money on software for my phone and it's getting really expensive. I couldn't figure out where memory tweaks where to optimize for memory... I stopped a few programs from starting up and that helped just a little bit. They were the voice software that came with the kitchen and something called TaskFacade.
I'm also have a big problem with the stylus. It won't stay in the hole anymore. The second I put it in it falls out. Am I going to have to replace my whole phone? Thanks..
JokeZony0u said:
wow 12 on startup? Looks to me, you should first flash to a new ROM, take for example- dCd's 3.2.6 which gives roughly 25 MB on startup..
You can use MemMaid to help you see whats running on startup and you can also disable them through MemMaid. Another cool feature it has is the Registry Tweaks, Optimize it for Memory and you'll have a nice amount of RAM on startup as well
Also, Titan's been known to have memory leaks all the time, use programs like Oxios Hibernate to reclaim stale RAM, soft reset on a daily basis and you should be ok
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Apota said:
I already have 3.2.6. Is there any free programs that will free up the memory? I've spent so much money on software for my phone and it's getting really expensive. I couldn't figure out where memory tweaks where to optimize for memory... I stopped a few programs from starting up and that helped just a little bit. They were the voice software that came with the kitchen and something called TaskFacade.
I'm also have a big problem with the stylus. It won't stay in the hole anymore. The second I put it in it falls out. Am I going to have to replace my whole phone? Thanks..
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hm, I had the same problem with the stylus and I slipped the extra one that came with it and it stayed in place. But if that doesn't work- then it really is the phone's molding that was messed up..what you can do is put a piece of electric tape around the stylus and hope that the tape would be big enough to hold it back in place.
As for the free program, its called Oxios Memory, here's the link..I use it so much, I assigned it to one of my buttons, generally it'll clear up any stale RAM and should if anything give you back several percent- here's the link:
http://www.oxios.com/memory/
As for MemMaid, just go to "Jump to" and you'll see Tweaks or something along those lines, btw Apota, check your PM
memory leak or plug in
I am using xv6800 with the mr1 upgrade
thanx jokezonyou for the link it helped and cleared 2mb for me
prob is a poss memory leak
20 mb at start up
13 mb 5 hrs later with no progs runnin
on my today screen I am using
CLAUNCH-so customizable
GOOGLE SEARCH BAR
BATTI_ battery status bar
programs I have dumped in an effort to free up pwr (really wantt them back)
SECOND TODAY
WIRESPEED-the only prgm used thru second today
RC mod- best free color modifier for wm6 I can find
a cooler fully customizable interface would be great but I have given up my search because I don't have pwr to run anything
tried memmaid and the results aren't that great for me....
I have SPB BACKUP which has a task mgr thatallows u to see runnin apps and not just programs but the numbers of usage don't add up and I don't understand what the processes are anyway
sorry so long winded I been searching everywher
overclockin not possible right?
heatd1 said:
I am using xv6800 with the mr1 upgrade
thanx jokezonyou for the link it helped and cleared 2mb for me
prob is a poss memory leak
20 mb at start up
13 mb 5 hrs later with no progs runnin
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What ROM are you running? Yes, the Titan does have a memory leak problem..as do most HTC products, the only reason we, Titan users, feel this leak so often is because we only have 64 MB of it and well..64 MB of RAM really isn't much.
What other software do you have installed on your Titan? And what do you have running at all times?
I have quite a number of programs installed...but after Oxios on startup, I have roughly 23 MB of RAM- only because I've installed some nifty programs that I really like
thanks for the quick response noobiville is a dark and cold place
ROM?
as in stock rom with mr1 update?
a simple leak explains a lot though my phone is loadeed with apps
currently i'm usin:
CLAUNCH-I have a lot of shrtcuts on my today
WIRESPEED is installed on my SECOND TODAY SCREEN I only have word mobile shortcuts on this screen
BATTI, GOOGLE TODAY SEARCH BAR, HTC (audio manager, audio boost, equalizer)
I have other prgrams but they shoudnt be part off my "activate on power up" list and are only plug-ins and shortcuts for my CLAUNCH ( I have maybe 40)
too many short-cuts and plug-ins....possible culprit?
WISH LIST:
MANILLA 2d. do I have the memory to run it?
all white theme, tsk and dailer...no lines no bars jus words and icons
heatd1 said:
thanks for the quick response noobiville is a dark and cold place
ROM?
as in stock rom with mr1 update?
a simple leak explains a lot though my phone is loadeed with apps
currently i'm usin:
CLAUNCH-I have a lot of shrtcuts on my today
WIRESPEED is installed on my SECOND TODAY SCREEN I only have word mobile shortcuts on this screen
BATTI, GOOGLE TODAY SEARCH BAR, HTC (audio manager, audio boost, equalizer)
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Well, consider flashing to dCd's 3.2.6 ROM, it has roughly 25 MB of RAM on startup, its a stripped down version of WM 6.1, if you don't like it, well you can flash back to the one you have. Of course, the only major hassle doing that is losing all the data on your phone.
Having too many programs installed is a problem as well, consider removing some programs if you don't really use it often. Like Google Search bar? Why not just turn hit the Internet explorer button, save Google as a favorite and search that way? Its roughly the same. I never used 2 Today screens, as I mainly use my phone for professional or personal use..so I never found a use for something like that, so I don't know if that's a memory hog, but does sound like one..someone should clarify this.
As for M2D with a white theme etc, it replaces your entire today screen, whether the 2nd Today screen will work, I don't know. But in general, expect M2D to take about 8-10% more of your RAM. I've used it before and for what it does, its..between worth it and not worth the 10%. It does contain a very finger friendly use, but keep in mind, it still doesn't go landscape (at least not with MBarvian's mod) and similar apps can do what it does, only it doesn't look as nice.
Try to keep your programs to a minimum- I have 13 apps on my phone, but most are for cleaning RAM or closing programs down. On startup, I am on 52% (I installed a custom dialer, boosting the RAM usage to 2MB higher, w/o it I have roughly 49%). Here's what I have:
AOL Instant Messenger (TM) 2.0
Dinarsoft MemMaid
MBarvian OpalPhone Canvas- the dialer I spoke about- its great!
Microsoft Live Search
Oxios Memory
Spb Diary
Spb Pocket Plus
Spb Weather (since it can be integrated into the Diary)
Sprint Picture Mail
Sprint TV
nueUSB to PC- allows the phone to be read as a flash drive instead of going through ActiveSync (pretty useful)
Xda-Team Task Manager
Yahoo! Go
I still have 139.49 MB free on the device and after a day's use, I have roughly 13 MB of RAM. Remember to also soft-reset everyday to reclaim the RAM you lost
memory issues
thanx for the info its puts things in perspectiv
the SECOND TODAY/WIRESPEED combo is so that I may access my current projcts in mobile word files immediately (i'm a music producer and I must get ideas down immediately)
my google bar is what I use most it makes my 40 google searches a day so much more convenient
I think my memory leak is linked to my IE...my memory doesn't start dissapearing till I have activated it
-IEcache too large?
-optimun size for cache?
I plan on using either opera or even skyfire if my RAM permits
I will try the dialer and I need nuestorage as well..so thanx
on to cookin...I have no idea what the process is like. I have insurance and I also have 2 xv6800 not in use that I can expirement on. I don't mind the reset if I come out with btter phone
I AM DUE FOR A HARD RESET JUST WAITIN TO SEE IF I'LL BE COOKIN OR NOT
read somewhere I should revert back to stock ROM b4 cooking....true?
and i've given up on animated interfaces as efficiency is most important to me...not it being cool lookin
thanx for illuminating noobiville for me..I been wandering in the dark too long
JokeZony0u:
Did you cook dcd rom without dialer then ran File name: MBarvianOpalPhoneCanvas.cab File size: 4.24 MB?
cooking
my knowledge of cooking is not to a point where i'm ready to go for it jus yet.
I am willing to expirement with my back-up unit tho
any screenshots of the dailer I just finding the cab
can I install the dailer on my already fully functionin device o should there be no dailr in my phone when I install
THANX FOR OXIOS HIBERNATE
since I have been watchin my IE I realize my prob is prolly there
I shall continue my research on cooking
Here are screenshots. http://mbarvian.freehostia.com/2008...de-applications-cab-and-oem-package-included/
I installed on top of original titan dialer and it seems to work. It looks nice. I did not get much free ram. I will probably go back to original because I want the DIAL button on screen.
heatd1 said:
my knowledge of cooking is not to a point where i'm ready to go for it jus yet.
I am willing to expirement with my back-up unit tho
any screenshots of the dailer I just finding the cab
can I install the dailer on my already fully functionin device o should there be no dailr in my phone when I install
THANX FOR OXIOS HIBERNATE
since I have been watchin my IE I realize my prob is prolly there
I shall continue my research on cooking
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heatd1 said:
my knowledge of cooking is not to a point where i'm ready to go for it jus yet.
I am willing to expirement with my back-up unit tho
any screenshots of the dailer I just finding the cab
can I install the dailer on my already fully functionin device o should there be no dailr in my phone when I install
THANX FOR OXIOS HIBERNATE
since I have been watchin my IE I realize my prob is prolly there
I shall continue my research on cooking
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Hey, I couldn't help but notice that your looking for manilla2d. I personally love it and have the titan. And yes memory can be a problem with the titan, so having m2d cooked in has been awesome. I dont' know if you have seen it but scrosler (sp) has made a ROM with dcd 3.2.6 (best kitchen imho) and added touchflo m2d to the mix. Its on this forum right below ur thread.
It is very cool in that you get to choose the majority of the apps that go with it, as he cooks them into the ROM as cabs you run, and its ready for ANY carrier. His fourth ROM os it is running nice on my titan and looks so sweet plus oxio hibernate is already cooked in to the rom too. I use IE to go to facebook all the time, and when i'm done i close it, have oxio set to a hardware button, run it and i'm back to at least 18mb again (with m2d running!!)
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It is very cool in that you get to choose the majority of the apps that go with it, as he cooks them into the ROM as cabs you run, and its ready for ANY carrier. His fourth ROM os it is running nice on my titan and looks so sweet plus oxio hibernate is already cooked in to the rom too. I use IE to go to facebook all the time, and when i'm done i close it, have oxio set to a hardware button, run it and i'm back to at least 18mb again (with m2d running!!)
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wow that's pretty sweet!
@ Flagmax: I didn't cook it into the ROM mainly because I don't really have time lately to be cookin in the kitchen, haha. Instead I just ran the CAB file and installed it.
@ heatd1: Hm..it could be a possibility that its IE that's killing your RAM. Whether its the cache size or so..I'm not quite sure..it could be a reason. A good thing to do though is, close your IE (not "minimizing" it)when you're done with it. Try using MemMaid and "Optimizing it" to see if it makes a difference on your RAM upon startup. There is a free trial before you need to purchase it- PM ME and let me know if need help with this.
As for cooking, if you're afraid of messing up the device because of a cookin' gone wrong and you want to claim insurance, you MUST flash back to the stock ROMs offered by your carrier. There have been stories of insurance companies not willing to give another device because of custom ROMs. So before you send your phone back, make sure its in a stock ROM.
The dialer on the other hand, is simply visually appealing to me. It technically has no functionality that is "needed". The slide to answer or slide to ignore is pretty neat and I like how it gives a little vibrate when it connects. On top of that, I like how it gives an option to send the caller a text message saying "I'm busy at the moment, please call me again later" (or something along those lines). I used to have Spb Phone Suite to do something like that, but now that I have this dialer, I removed it.
thanx
i'm not too worried about that too much...u can fry a phne without a kitchen trust me.. I have done it more than once.
my concerns are making sure my device is functional 24/7 I can't afford for, say, txt msging or my oulook not to work for more than 6-7 hours because I have had an incident it will cost me the lil money I make in the last days of Bush-a-nomics
have a backup phone so if gets ugly I will switch. or can use it for trial runs
my other concern is speed and functionability
don't need pretty interfaces I really just want all white screens nor nav bars no today lines no words...just icons for my today phone andevery other screen (theme gen won't do this or my favorite app RC MOD won't either)
claunch gives me the option of jus puttin icons directly onn my today
MEMMAID I have used this program often
what is the difference between the optimization for "memory" and "speed" if my phone gets slo because it doesn't have enough RAM memory
there so much inf on cooking what are the "must read before proceeding"s
I have read more threads than I wanna admit but I really need the step by step of it
from what I gather following the instructions to the letter is everything
obviously I can get long winded..sorry
i'm so anxious to leave noobiville
and you've been such a big help
did I say thanx for OXIOS?
Haha, well you're very welcome for Oxios. Giving a helping hand to a fellow xda fan is always great.
I've found from my experiences that optimizing for Memory over Speed actually starts the phone off with more RAM. You should try both and see which one works best for you.
You don't necessarily need to customize a ROM. If you find a ROM that fits your needs, than by all means just use it w/o the customizations. Its always best to just do that first before you start cooking up a custom ROM.
As to not having the bars, there's an application called nueNoBar, which will effectively remove the bottom bar of your Today screen but keeping the functionality of the softkey assignments. This app along with several other apps (that you might find handy) can be found here:
http://www.nuerom.com/BlogEngine/page/Pocket-PC.aspx
As for having an "icon" on your today screen, consider the program: Spb Pocket Plus. It has the ability to simply "right click" on a file and "Send it to the Today Screen", effectively leaving a shortcut on the Today screen under one of its tabs. Along with that, it has the ability to let u scroll around IE like the iPhone does with finger flicking (this also applies to other places like File Explorer etc..) and also lets you open up multiple tabs in Internet Explorer. Aside from those functions, it also has a "Safe Mode" in case you ever screw up your phone and need to uninstall something when your phone crashes. All this- PLUS it adds a button mapper functionality to your phone, allowing you to map specific apps to the hardware of the phone. This program isn't free, but its a suggestion that you might find helpful. Here's the link:
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/pocketplus/screenshots.html?en
Once again, you're very welcome for anything, and if anything..you can simply continue posting here. I check xda pretty often (as you may have noticed)
thanx
i'm not too worried about that too much...u can fry a phne without a kitchen trust me.. I have done it more than once.
my concerns are making sure my device is functional 24/7 I can't afford for, say, txt msging or my oulook not to work for more than 6-7 hours because I have had an incident it will cost me the lil money I make in the last days of Bush-a-nomics
have a backup phone so if gets ugly I will switch. or can use it for trial runs
my other concern is speed and functionability
don't need pretty interfaces I really just want all white screens nor nav bars no today lines no words...just icons for my today phone andevery other screen (theme gen won't do this or my favorite app RC MOD won't either)
claunch gives me the option of jus puttin icons directly onn my today
MEMMAID I have used this program often
what is the difference between the optimization for "memory" and "speed" if my phone gets slo because it doesn't have enough RAM memory
there so much inf on cooking what are the "must read before proceeding"s
I have read more threads than I wanna admit but I really need the step by step of it
from what I gather following the instructions to the letter is everything
obviously I can get long winded..sorry
i'm so anxious to leave noobiville
and you've been such a big help
did I say thanx for OXIOS?
Has anyone compared DCDs newest ROM (3.3.4) to the latest nueROM3? Now that Scrosler is no longer going to produce new ROMs for us, I am running Update 20 of Manila 2D on nueROM3 (produced via kitchen). However, just curious how that compares, as far as stability goes, to DCDs latest. I always liked DCDs work, but had to start using nueROM awhile ago because of memory.
Anyone ran the latest of these two and can offer an unbiased opinion?
I've been doing my own M2D+nueROM3 for a while now.
I have to say, if you spend the time and patience, you can end up with a beautiful build. I'm very happy with mine right now.
As far as comparing to DCD 3.3.4, I haven't messed with 3.3.4 and refuse to do so without the kitchen.
Do you have an opinion on the new PocketIE yet?
scrawnyb: I'm finding the same thing so far, not too bad with latest nueROM3 + Manila 2D Update 20, but since DCDs ROMs are usually very stable, just wanted to see what others thought.
Personally, I think the new IE looks good, but it is just TOOOOO slow! Obviously was designed for a machine with more memory. So most of the time I just stick with Opera Mini; however, there are times when I have to use IE simply because the site only works on IE, or it is simply safer to use a stand-alone browser (like when going to mobile bank site). Personally, I wish I could reinstall the old IE Mobile - you know of a way to do that with nueROM3?
I perfer nuerom's memory management over DCD 3.3.4. Not to mention being able to turn the camera off and start at 28 megs free.
After trying both for a week without M2D installed and a week with M2D installed I find that 3.3.4 has pretty much no memory leaks, where 3pre3 had terrible memory leaks. 3.3.4 would boot for me at about 27 Mb and after a few days wold only leak down to 25 at idle (few days without a soft reset). Same situation with 3pre3 would have me booting at 32 Mb and leaking down to about 25 after a few days (no soft reset either).
With M2d installed and configured how I like, 3pre3 would boot at 26Mb and would leak down to about 21 Mb by the end of the day. 3.3.4 with the exact same configuration boots at about 21Mb and after a few days has not leaked down past 20 Mb.
I took all memory samples the same way: Fresh installs of ROMs, added my preferred cabs (Java, one game, skyfire, etc...) soft reset then waited for full boot. Closed all programs in task manager and used oxios hibernate. Then after a few days, just soft reset and used oxios hibernate. Then I did the same process, (I started with a hard reset on both ROMS) and installed the same apps and then M2D without opera mobile.
Only thing I wished I would have done was to take screen shots so I could have posted them.
Although 3pre3 does have more RAM at boot in both cases,I think I am still going to run 3.3.4 until the next version of nuerom comes out to try. I dont mind soft resetting every day, but if i ever forgot to with 3pre3 i would eventually get some out of memory error messages until I reset. So far after about a week with 3.3.4 I have not had any error messages after a few days just closing apps down, no reset.
DCD just has rock solid ROMs, what more can we say but a big Thank you?
I forgot to mention that 3pre3 with camera enabled had less available RAM than 3.3.4 in both cases. Only 1~2 Mb difference but it was worth mentioning.
Also I cooked different versions of ROMs with M2d in the kitchen and they were the absolute worst on memory leaks. I still use cab installs from the M2d thread, still using update 19b files and procedure. seems to work good on my device.
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After trying both for a week without M2D installed and a week with M2D installed I find that 3.3.4 has pretty much no memory leaks, where 3pre3 had terrible memory leaks. 3.3.4 would boot for me at about 27 Mb and after a few days wold only leak down to 25 at idle (few days without a soft reset). Same situation with 3pre3 would have me booting at 32 Mb and leaking down to about 25 after a few days (no soft reset either).
With M2d installed and configured how I like, 3pre3 would boot at 26Mb and would leak down to about 21 Mb by the end of the day. 3.3.4 with the exact same configuration boots at about 21Mb and after a few days has not leaked down past 20 Mb.
I took all memory samples the same way: Fresh installs of ROMs, added my preferred cabs (Java, one game, skyfire, etc...) soft reset then waited for full boot. Closed all programs in task manager and used oxios hibernate. Then after a few days, just soft reset and used oxios hibernate. Then I did the same process, (I started with a hard reset on both ROMS) and installed the same apps and then M2D without opera mobile.
Only thing I wished I would have done was to take screen shots so I could have posted them.
Although 3pre3 does have more RAM at boot in both cases,I think I am still going to run 3.3.4 until the next version of nuerom comes out to try. I dont mind soft resetting every day, but if i ever forgot to with 3pre3 i would eventually get some out of memory error messages until I reset. So far after about a week with 3.3.4 I have not had any error messages after a few days just closing apps down, no reset.
DCD just has rock solid ROMs, what more can we say but a big Thank you?
I forgot to mention that 3pre3 with camera enabled had less available RAM than 3.3.4 in both cases. Only 1~2 Mb difference but it was worth mentioning.
Also I cooked different versions of ROMs with M2d in the kitchen and they were the absolute worst on memory leaks. I still use cab installs from the M2d thread, still using update 19b files and procedure. seems to work good on my device.
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Very nice testing and detailed.
Thanks
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Very nice testing and detailed.
Thanks
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Agreed very nice work I used nueROM3 and DCD and am sticking with 3.3.4 but thats just my two cents
My testing may be skewed slightly and I apologize. I cooked MSVC into 3pre3 and have been reading that has a few memory leaks. 3.3.4 has no voice command, and it would not be fair to add a cab VS. cooking with an oem between the two ROMs. I also added MS office apps for work by cab to 3pre3, although they did not seem to have any memory leaks as far as I could tell.
I was trying to be as subjective as possible, but those were two Items I had completely forgot about this morning when I typed this
Also, if running M2D I always disable the weather, search and music tabs as I launch programs from the launcher tab to do these tasks. The weather tab alone causes much memory leakage and always has since I first ran M2D. Also I quit installing Opera mobile because it hogs memory and messes with HTML file opening, so I have been using the new M2DC program to map the internet tab to opera mini, which runs great.
When it comes down to it, I guess it is hard to compare two great ROMs from different builders as for the end user (me in this case) the programs were installed differently with different versions in different ways.
Sorry if I mislead anybody, but my setup with 3.3.4 seems to be more stable still. Maybe I should write a tutorial for how I got my device set up with success I really have not done anything super fancy with programming, and have not touched the reg editor with either rom. I think the average user like me would benefit from using DCD's latest if they like M2D.
Just my .02
I tried 3.3.4 for a few days after using pre3 for about a month. I always like DCD ROMs, but I also like having more memory. On 3.3.4, I found that windows mobile would close opera when I changed opened other programs, while this would happen less so with pre3.
A few days later, the new nueROM came out. I tried it for a few days, but the internet explorer drove me crazy. I use Beyondpod for podcasts, and that program is based on internet explorer. It changed Beyondpod layout (which I learned how to fix in the registry), and seemed to have more connection problems.
So now I am back to pre3. My biggest complaint is nueROM has that touch-like finger scrolling, which I hate cause it means I can't highlight. I've looked high and low over the internet to no avail.
as far as memory leaks, I have to phone set up to reset every 4am (and close my flashcard program). I never really checked to see how much leaking there is, and just started the daily resets a couple of days ago.
kdj67f said:
My testing may be skewed slightly and I apologize. I cooked MSVC into 3pre3 and have been reading that has a few memory leaks. 3.3.4 has no voice command, and it would not be fair to add a cab VS. cooking with an oem between the two ROMs. I also added MS office apps for work by cab to 3pre3, although they did not seem to have any memory leaks as far as I could tell.
I was trying to be as subjective as possible, but those were two Items I had completely forgot about this morning when I typed this
Also, if running M2D I always disable the weather, search and music tabs as I launch programs from the launcher tab to do these tasks. The weather tab alone causes much memory leakage and always has since I first ran M2D. Also I quit installing Opera mobile because it hogs memory and messes with HTML file opening, so I have been using the new M2DC program to map the internet tab to opera mini, which runs great.
When it comes down to it, I guess it is hard to compare two great ROMs from different builders as for the end user (me in this case) the programs were installed differently with different versions in different ways.
Sorry if I mislead anybody, but my setup with 3.3.4 seems to be more stable still. Maybe I should write a tutorial for how I got my device set up with success I really have not done anything super fancy with programming, and have not touched the reg editor with either rom. I think the average user like me would benefit from using DCD's latest if they like M2D.
Just my .02
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Could you write the tutorial? This would help out some of us.
TY in adv.
kdj67f said:
Sorry if I mislead anybody, but my setup with 3.3.4 seems to be more stable still. Maybe I should write a tutorial for how I got my device set up with success I really have not done anything super fancy with programming, and have not touched the reg editor with either rom. I think the average user like me would benefit from using DCD's latest if they like M2D.
Just my .02
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TUTORIAL PLZX!
Well, after reading all this, I think I am going to reflash and give the new DCD ROM a try. Although nueROM3 is great, I also think there is some memory leaks somewhere - I go from 25MB sometimes down to 13MB with nothing but M2D loaded, even without VC - plus, I hate the new IE! It is so VERY slow - I use Opera Mini but for the times I absolutely need to use IE I can't with this new version.
I'll let you know what I think once I run it for awhile.
Well, I am thinking about going back the other way, as when I installed windows live cab I always use, it really ****ed up my contacts. it attached all my onlive hotmail contacts to existing entries in my phonebook, none of which were correct. This means windows live (3 different current versions I have tried) messenger does not work, as does dialing by name. there are too many additions to the contact list. I hard reset 3.3.4 and reloaded all my contacts and went through the whole install again and it still occurs.
Great ROM, but tha twas a deal breaker. I think I may try 3pre3 again, but try tweaking it all i can to keep those memory leaks down. At least then I can keep my contacts seperated
I am not writing a tutorial here, that was kind of a joke. there are tutorials for loading cabs for any program you would like on here, just search and find them. Me finding problems weeks after loading roms is why I am no developer by any means. Saved you all the hassle of re-writing your contcts!
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Well, I am thinking about going back the other way, as when I installed windows live cab I always use, it really ****ed up my contacts. it attached all my onlive hotmail contacts to existing entries in my phonebook, none of which were correct. This means windows live (3 different current versions I have tried) messenger does not work, as does dialing by name. there are too many additions to the contact list. I hard reset 3.3.4 and reloaded all my contacts and went through the whole install again and it still occurs.
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Windows live synced contacts IS a major snafu. But hey, you get what you pay for. I use my Exchange for all my contacts. Never a problem.
Whenever I install windows live I ALWAYS uncheck sync contacts. The problem is that everytime you open up contacts on the mogul, it starts an internet connection to sync with your Live contacts. So your contacts look empty until it syncs. This can take a LONG time.
Hope this helps...
Chuck
XDA member tends to lean toward DCD because he releases his work here and is more geared toward stability.
If you start same same exact post over at ppcgeeks, I bet nueROM is preferred by users, cause he releases overthere.
bottomline
DCD = lean solid ROM, no flashy junk that usully causes leaks and problem ; for advance users
NueTOM = ROM with nice goodies; but goodies comes with baggage (i.e. few memory leaks, occasional crashes, soft reset); recommended for intermediate users.
Well, I am thinking myself about going back to nueROM. Not that I don't like DCDs work - it is great - but with 3.3.4 there still seems to be some memory leaks (keeps going down). I also heard that DCD kinda rushed the 3.3.4 release just to get it out there because of the pressure. Plus, I love the extra memory that nueROM gives me.
However, the one thing that really bugs me with nueROM is that in his latest unified kitchen he included that stupid new mobile IE browser - that thing is the slowest pig in the world! I use Opera Mini for most of my browsing, but when I do need IE it is just too frustrating. Would rather keep the old IE on there. Anyone know if there is a cab somewhere that will replace the new IE with the older mobile IE version.
Anyway, I may go back to nueROM for the time being but when DCD makes his next new ROM then I may try it again.
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Anyone know if there is a cab somewhere that will replace the new IE with the older mobile IE version.
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I found this on the nueruom thread. I tried it with the latest neurom, and internet explorer seemed to work like the old IE. That of course didn't help me. My problem is with BeyondPod, my podcast player, which relies on IE for it's formatting. That was still messed up. So I am using nueROM pre3, which has the old IE. I am addicted to the extra RAM.
if using a kitchen, remove the folder BROWSINGIE from the core before cooking. The browser defaults to pIE instead of IE6.
Apparently, IE6 is just a bunch of plugins and junk that sits atop pocketIE. If you remove them, pie is still there.
Works better this way than installing a .cab, and I've found myself able to do all the stuff that ie6 broke (flash bundle, logmein, etc).
nueCPL Kernel
Hi all,
I just tried the nuerom -m for titan. Earlier I was on DCD 3.3.4, which i think is better than nuerom. One feature that i liked in nuerom is of - disabling camer and using high memory by nueCPL kernel. Is this possible on DCD Rom 3.3.4. It fress up almost 5mb of Ram and camera is used very rarely so it can be disabled. Any body to help.
Regards
Tarun
no you cannot rescue the RAM that the camera uses in dcd roms.
I have the Elegancia GTX finale ROM on my phone
1. All emails that are set up are delated within a couple of days, annoying to have to set up everything again.
2. Issues with apps that keep giving errors and login info delated (same as issue #1)
3. Cant reply to email , gives error such as not authorized or not on list
4. This phone seems so slow at times, have SK Tools to clean up stuff but this phone feels slow...3 APPS on device memory only...media saved to sd card
5. App market is a joke
Well $ucks to be you. I have none of those issues, though I have Energy ROM.
Ditto, Cleanex Core here...
That rom sounds useless! Using Dutty CDLC9 & Shubcraft 1.5 Android. The Dutty rom has been running flawless from the start & Android is missing auto backlight after a day or 2 of tweaking.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using Tapatalk
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I have the Elegancia GTX finale ROM on my phone
1. All emails that are set up are delated within a couple of days, annoying to have to set up everything again.
2. Issues with apps that keep giving errors and login info delated (same as issue #1)
3. Cant reply to email , gives error such as not authorized or not on list
4. This phone seems so slow at times, have SK Tools to clean up stuff but this phone feels slow...3 APPS on device memory only...media saved to sd card
5. App market is a joke
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1) no clue what the problem is
2) post the errors you recieve
3) check if proxy is enabled in dataconnection if so disable it
4) no idea
- its usefull to post ROM date and Radio version.
- its usefull to give more inforamtion regarding errors and handelings you did before
As far i can see it's a ROM based problem. It's not caused by the HTC HD2 phone. I use Radio 2.12.5.2_2 with Miri and Dinik ROM and it works flawless, also ROMS from Artemis/ Energy and [email protected] always works flawless and fast.
Maybe its a good idea to try the Miri and Dinik ROM, its fast, stable and energy consumption is 0.3% per hour instead of 0.7% what most ROMS uses.
You can also try CleanRam to see if it speeds up your phone. Trying to empty your temp internet files, temp emails and other temp files might help too.
or the OP could sell the hd2 and get something less complicated.
You can set up xml's to restore emails after flash.
You can use xda_uc or sashimi to restore all programs and settings.
Myphone takes care of contacts and messages.
Flashing shouldn't take more than 30-60min tops to be back where you were.
Yeah man, If you can't figure out how to use your HD2 I'll take it off your hands.
Those of us who really enjoy using our HD2s spend a lot of time reading on these forums. That is what I suggest you do.
well it is windows, and for some reason it always feels like it bogs down over time. Mind you, microsoft didnt seem to really get to grips with memory management until windows 7.
simple solution.
task29
android compatible Radio (2.10.50.02_2 seems a common one)
Android compatible (there are many, but i really like VBN's ROMS)
Download an android rom - now this is where you should probably try a couple. and read tons, then read some more.
Android works pretty well if you set it up right
problem solved, you love your HD2 again
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well it is windows, and for some reason it always feels like it bogs down over time. Mind you, microsoft didnt seem to really get to grips with memory management until windows 7.
simple solution.
task29
android compatible Radio (2.10.50.02_2 seems a common one)
Android compatible (there are many, but i really like VBN's ROMS)
Download an android rom - now this is where you should probably try a couple. and read tons, then read some more.
Android works pretty well if you set it up right
problem solved, you love your HD2 again
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Thanks for the post ...the rest well I guess it's part of the A-hole attitude
Not doing a Andriod rom till all the bugs are gone
The rom is good but as the above issues state I do have issues.
I've decided that emails well they will just have stay off my phone...