I was just wondering if anyone has any new insight on whether the Mogul / Titan can have the main memory upgraded. I know there was some discussion on whether the same chips could be possibly used in the Mogul as is found in the Touch. The 64MB in the Mogul is becoming more of a problem as I become more and more dependent on the phone and the newly unlocked features. I have to have the keyboard so the Touch is not an option. Is there anything new coming out without the memory limitation if that is the next best option?
well theres the tilt if youre not married to sprint, but beyond that it doesnt look like we are getting anywhere with expanding the ram
It might sound like nood question what the heck, I will ask anyway.
In previous version wm2003, there was sliding bar option for memory that would let user decide how much RAM to have by sacrificing stoage space.
How is memory now handle differently than previous version.
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It might sound like nood question what the heck, I will ask anyway.
In previous version wm2003, there was sliding bar option for memory that would let user decide how much RAM to have by sacrificing stoage space.
How is memory now handle differently than previous version.
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That option disappeared in WM5 and above, they changed the way they did it, not sure on the technical details of the change though.
There were a few people who had opened up their Mogul, I don't know what they decided is the case for upgrading.
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It might sound like nood question what the heck, I will ask anyway.
In previous version wm2003, there was sliding bar option for memory that would let user decide how much RAM to have by sacrificing stoage space.
How is memory now handle differently than previous version.
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back in the wm2003 days there actually was no storage space, it was all RAM, with some allocated to file storage (think RAMDisk from the DOS days) the slider was simply to indicate how much RAM was RAM and how much was RAMDisk (i think you lost all your data if you pulled the battery out too)
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(i think you lost all your data if you pulled the battery out too)
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I remember....... Then a backup utility, such as from Sprite, was a necessity.
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I remember....... Then a backup utility, such as from Sprite, was a necessity.
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Yeah, though back in those days, ActiveSync had built-in backup and restore functionality.
Ah, the good old days... bumping the battery cover and having it hard reset.
Come to think of it, I'd take that "feature" now if I could get back that wm2003 ram slider and divert about 75mb from storage to program available.
could a smart dev. cook up a way to make wm5++ use storage memory to run programs? I know it would be slower, but slower is better than not at all. I hate when I go to run a program and I get the low memory error.
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I have the Sprint mogul and have put lots of new programs on it to run different things. I heard from a soure, reliability is questionable but nontheless, that there is a way to free up the memory or even just have the mogul run faster even with the programs on it. He said there was a program or something needed, but did warn that the faster it runs the easier it is for it to burn out. Wondering if anyone had some information on that. Thanks.
That sounds like BatteryStatus. The only problem with that is that it isn't compatible with QualComm processors, only the slower processors such as the one in the Wizard(195MHz).
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seriously? u would think someone would have thought of something with tht by nw. bt I don't know if we're talking about the same thing. earlier this weekend my phone started really acting slow. bad enough for me to actual revert back to the main settings. it wasn't like I put a lot of programs in it, so it seems odd tht it would act that slowly. I put the same programs back on my mogul to see if it would do the same thing again and so far it hasn't. so I was looking for a way to maybe increase the program running space so I wouldn't have that problem again.
I posted an idea under Titan that might be of interest to you then. I would love to know if the 128Mb RAM cardou from the TyTN II would be compatible with the Mogul.
It's doubtful but if possible then worth it right?
you should install one of the custom roms from custel or dcd. these guys do alot of tweaking on the rom itself, a huge part of that is removing unwanted programs and files. this inturn frees up alot of memory. they even take it a step futher and change the page pool for increase speed. give them a try.
Ok, I know this has been covered, but I was hoping for more detail. This Titan has 64MB, but WinMo only shows a total of around 48MB with 3rd party ROMS. I know 4MB is missing due to pagepool (default in PPCKitchen ROMS and DCD's newer). The only other info I could find is that the rest (12MB in my case) is being used by the XIP (huh?) and the kernel. My Palm Treo 700wx only has 64MB, but it shows almost 58MB total RAM. Is the kernel in 6.1 THAT much larger? I mean that's a HUGE difference. Can anyone shed any more light on this for me?
Don't you run Windows on your PC? It's HUGE! Why would you expect Microsoft to actually write a small OS? lol.
I'm just kidding, tho the 64mb of ram I believe contains the OS, or at least a part of it, and swap files, programs running, etc.
The most free ram I've ever seen was around 25mb. And that was with nothing loaded, running, etc.
Other than shrinking the pagepool (not recommended), there isn't really any way to gain additional memory above 25mb. So keep your today screen with as few items as possible, use a very small background image (it eats ram too), extra fonts, etc, they all use ram.
My first PC was a VIC-20, I learned to live with only 3.5kb of ram..... Makes you learn to write very small tight code. My computer teachers hated me, I would follow their assignments, my program would do what they wanted, but was extremely ugly because I would use my own programming methods. I failed my first assignment until I proved to my instructor that it did exactly what he asked for. After that, he gave in and I aced the class.
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Ok, I know this has been covered, but I was hoping for more detail. This Titan has 64MB, but WinMo only shows a total of around 48MB with 3rd party ROMS. I know 4MB is missing due to pagepool (default in PPCKitchen ROMS and DCD's newer). The only other info I could find is that the rest (12MB in my case) is being used by the XIP (huh?) and the kernel. My Palm Treo 700wx only has 64MB, but it shows almost 58MB total RAM. Is the kernel in 6.1 THAT much larger? I mean that's a HUGE difference. Can anyone shed any more light on this for me?
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read this.....
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Other than shrinking the pagepool (not recommended), there isn't really any way to gain additional memory above 25mb. So keep your today screen with as few items as possible, use a very small background image (it eats ram too), extra fonts, etc, they all use ram.
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25MB is exactly where I am at, as well. I've done some tweaking of my own aside from what DCD has already done to his ROM's to get it as high as possible.
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Excellent find! That's exactly what I was curious about, and that link sums it up quite well.
with no2chem nuerom 3 you can be at 32mb free...
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with no2chem nuerom 3 you can be at 32mb free...
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Could you kindly point me to a thread regarding this?
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Could you kindly point me to a thread regarding this?
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http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=403658&postcount=553
It's currently VERY beta (just released todayish) and you have to have contrib account to download it.
Apparently he did something crazy to the OS by disabling the camera to allow the 32mb ... it shows a total of appx 6mb more avail to windows, hence the increase... I think he's working on ways to easily re-enable the camera but for now (in the beta) everything is stripped pretty much. much potential!
hes in the process of writing better drivers to be able to turn it on and off last i heard. this is big, more than a 25% boost in free ram. its good because i only use the camera a few times a month anyway.
I am getting 28mb on boot out of JD.s latest rom.....extremely fast and stable....
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I am getting 28mb on boot out of JD.s latest rom.....extremely fast and stable....
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28 still isnt 32
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28 still isnt 32
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Oh I know..especially on this phone.....believe me I will be trying it out very soon...I didn't know it was up until I read this thread....I may flash tonight....but I just finished flashing JD.s..... lol......
See, and that's exactly what I was wondering as well. Why suck up all the RAM for the camera If you rarely use it (like me)? Thanks for the info
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My first PC was a VIC-20, I learned to live with only 3.5kb of ram..... Makes you learn to write very small tight code. My computer teachers hated me, I would follow their assignments, my program would do what they wanted, but was extremely ugly because I would use my own programming methods. I failed my first assignment until I proved to my instructor that it did exactly what he asked for. After that, he gave in and I aced the class.
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Now thats funny chit..... Vic20, I remember programmin on those..... lol Ahh - where's my high tech Commodore....
I donated and cooked me up a 3.0 pre1 ROM this morning. No BS, I have 31MB free on boot, but right now, no camera . But I can live without the camera for a few days while no2chem finishes up the driver
Same here NO2Chem pre-3 is the shiznit......32megs at boot.....running TL and still sitting at 25.....ran about 7 apps at once with no problems switching back and forth.....Skyfire, messaging etc.....smooth as baby's bottom.....by far the best rom I have used....the camera will be worked out soon....if you want your phone to have that extra memory this is the one for ya...
I spent all evening yesterday and all day today and I have still yet to get a satisfactory ROM cooked up. I'm using the ppckitchen.org one. It's pretty straightforward, but I can't get free memory to save my life. I think I managed about 8-9 megs free on a WM 6.1 build and around 6 on a 6.5 build. Not real good. Every ROM gives me a "Low Mem (Camera Enabled)" error on the initial splash screen pretty much every single build I've done. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here. Even through free memory has been low, storage space has been more than adequate, I have barely dipped below 100 MB free storage.
So, yeah, props to all you wonderful ROM chefs out there for doing such a great job and sharing the love with the rest of us.
Now could someone please help me figure out what the bleep I'm doing wrong here? I would, ideally, like a ROM with lots of toys and goodies. Here is what I would like to include (some of these I initially tried loading as OEMs but have managed to track down CAB installers for them so will just do them all afterwards since I can't find a way to put stuff in the extended ROM with this kitchen). My main goal is to make this build as stylus free as possible. To that end, here is my want/need list for it. Please feel free to critique it. I've been out of the loop on this stuff for quite awhile so I'm not sure what programs are currently being recommended and there are way too many for me to try them all out personally so I'm open to suggestions.
WM 6.5
Weather on today screen (using Titanium Weather V3 currently)
Voice Command (have been using 1.6.21040 version in the kitchen but I took it out of the most recent attempt to free up RAM. It isn't critical right now but if I get another BT headset I will definitely want it.)
Sprint Navigation (we're paying for it, might as well have it unless someone knows of a better free app)
Sprint TV (not necessary but would be a plus)
Manila dialer
Finger Friendly KB of some sort (was going to install fingerkb post install)
good selection of ringones (these don't eat up program RAM do they?)
HTC Audio Manager or equivalent finger friendly music player (can the Chrome be made to use this instead of WMP) (This one is not a requirement, I don't do music much on here since I carry a Zune with me but, again, would be a plus)
Newer camera (not the version that comes on the Titan but the newer one that takes better pictures. I saw it in a ROM, not sure which one)
MusicID (post install is fine, have not seen a CAB for it though)
Java (Do I really need this, I don't really run midlets or whatever they're called?)
.net 2.0
Finger friendly browser (Opera? Firefox? are these better than the IE in WM6.5)
Streaming video player (for youtube and all the others)
Office (Excel and Word at the least)
Comm manager (is one better than the others?)
Flashlight (vjcandela or nuelight)
Selection of games (can install those from cabs too)
the new windows live stuff like the voice activated navigation. May not be any count but I want to try it.
any other useful and recommend utilities
WM 6.1
Pretty much the same as above except replace the 6.5 specific chrome stuff with Manila2D and it's configurator and the new browser is more necessary.
Like I said, though, if anyone has any advice I am all ears on this one. If I can get a properly working and stable ROM I will try to upload it for anyone else that wants it as a thank you for the help.
Hey don't quit keep going... I'm sure that the more times you try it eventually you'll get a working rom.
Thanks. I finally got up to about 11 MB with WM 6.5 by leaving Voice Command out. It's not ideal but it is a start. Need to get something to have it close programs instead of leaving them running.
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Thanks. I finally got up to about 11 MB with WM 6.5 by leaving Voice Command out. It's not ideal but it is a start. Need to get something to have it close programs instead of leaving them running.
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6.5 has nuekernel
If in low memory mode so that camera will work you loose 5-7mb.
In high memory mode you gain mb but cannot use camera.
My time to cook is coming... I can feel it...
Seems like a lot of work, but well worth it if you pull it off... Keep up your efforts!
2nd those props!
2nd those props!
So far I haven't had a lot of luck with 6.5. It seems that these phones just simply don't have enough RAM to handle it properly and give me everything I want. I guess I will have to go back to 6.1. Although, really, it probably isn't worth my time. A lot of people here at work have been complaining about their Moguls. They want their precious crackberries back (ugh!). So they're getting rid of these and swapping them out now. I'm going to wait as long as possible before I swap mine though. There's sure to be a line and, honestly, I'd just as soon keep my Mogul if I can get it stable. Otherwise I'm gonna have to come up with $350 to buy a new personal phone to feed my WiMo addiction. I can't believe AT&T has jacked up the Fuze to $350 though. Yeesh. I'm tempted to just wait until their next one comes along at this point, hopefully one that will support 6.5 officially.
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So far I haven't had a lot of luck with 6.5. It seems that these phones just simply don't have enough RAM to handle it properly and give me everything I want. I guess I will have to go back to 6.1. Although, really, it probably isn't worth my time. A lot of people here at work have been complaining about their Moguls. They want their precious crackberries back (ugh!). So they're getting rid of these and swapping them out now. I'm going to wait as long as possible before I swap mine though. There's sure to be a line and, honestly, I'd just as soon keep my Mogul if I can get it stable. Otherwise I'm gonna have to come up with $350 to buy a new personal phone to feed my WiMo addiction. I can't believe AT&T has jacked up the Fuze to $350 though. Yeesh. I'm tempted to just wait until their next one comes along at this point, hopefully one that will support 6.5 officially.
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If I read your posts correctly you have found some of the cabs for the programs you want for your build, but I saw no mention of a memory card. Have you tried building your rom and then installing the cabs to the programs you like on the memory card? Not all programs can be installed on the memory card but alot of the ones you have listed can be. I recommend at least a 2 gig. (I have a 4 gig on my phone). Just make sure its not the HC memory cards as they are not compatible with this device. Like I said Im not sure if you have already gone this route but its just a suggestion. Hope this helps.
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If I read your posts correctly you have found some of the cabs for the programs you want for your build, but I saw no mention of a memory card. Have you tried building your rom and then installing the cabs to the programs you like on the memory card? Not all programs can be installed on the memory card but alot of the ones you have listed can be. I recommend at least a 2 gig. (I have a 4 gig on my phone). Just make sure its not the HC memory cards as they are not compatible with this device. Like I said Im not sure if you have already gone this route but its just a suggestion. Hope this helps.
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I have a couple of apps that I have done that with. But, really, the problem isn't storage so much as operational RAM. I finally decided that I could either use WM 6.5 or the camera and that I would rather have 6.5. Putting the phone into high memory mode helped a lot with it, but it still quickly memory leaks down to about 12 megs free. I'm working with the chef of my current ROM over at ppckitchen trying to figure it out. I'm starting to wonder if some of these devices don't have a hardware issue that causes some people to have memory leaks or if it is possibly related to the bootloader (2.40 vs 2.47) because some people seem to have no problem with them while almost every custom ROM I have tried running seems to have a memory leak.
I always want newer and better. Last week I upgraded from dcd's 3.2.6 to 4.1.2. Much faster, better memory, speedy gps locks, and no crashes yet.
I run a few commercial medical reference programs that are a major hassle to load and activate, so it is a pain to keep flashing my phone.
Can anyone comment between how well the 6.5's work vs. dcd 4.1.2
It's a very different animal.
First and foremost, the Today Screen has been completely redone in the default Titanium screen. I'm sure you've seen it around. You can still revert back to the old Today screen with a simple setting adjustment in the Settings Menu.
Secondly, nearly everything features finger friendly scrolling. It's built in with no real need for additional items such as FTouchFLO.
Third, the start menu has been redone to make it look more contemporary. Some people like it, some don't. You can adjust it to your liking by replacing various files.
Fourth, a programmer/PPC junkie going by no2chem introduced something in his 6.1 ROMs called nueKernel which is being implemented into nearly every 6.5 ROM. It allows you to enable or disable the camera temporarily to add more available RAM. Because of this, it's possible to have more free available RAM than you've most likely seen before on the Titan. For example, my ROM (and Ryan's, and most other current 6.5 ROMs) will boot with 25+ meg free.
Fifth, please note that those are most superficial UI adjustments. They are improving things under the hood, too, to make the OS better.
Your best way to compare is by flashing. If you like 6.5, stick with it. If you don't, there are plenty of fantastic 6.1 ROMs to choose from.
if its speed what you want then stay with dcd. no 6.5 has been able to come close to dcd.
on the other hand like btonetbone said a different animal and slower no matter the tweaking.
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if its speed what you want then stay with dcd. no 6.5 has been able to come close to dcd.
on the other hand like btonetbone said a different animal and slower no matter the tweaking.
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I won't argue with this because I don't have benchmarks. DCD's ROMs are extremely fast; I used them all the up through 3.3.something and loved them.
But 6.5 isn't a hog, either. It runs very fast and snappy on my phone, and I have very little complaints regarding speed. Please don't take the above comments as saying the 6.5 ROMs are slow.
compared to dcd 6.5 is slower. i didnt say 6.5 is slow
I'll give you my opinion......... since I played with them all.
I had been running DCD 3.3.4 for 6-8 months until about a month ago when the "tinker bug" kicked in again and I had to flash and play with new ROM's.
I first went to 6.5 ROM's by RyanMogul and a few others both here and on PPCGeeks. All of them are visually stunning, but, all of them ARE slower than ROM's running 6.1
Also, for me, free memory was an issue. 6.5 simply needs more memory than 6.1 and there isn't nothing you can do about it. 6.5 ideally should be run on phones with 128MB RAM or more.
I loved 6.5 for its looks, but, I run programs like SPB Phone Suite, Pocket Weather, Palringo, and others, often simultaneously, and that just wasnt realistic with 6.5 due to low RAM availability.
So I went back to 6.1, and to good old DCD. 4.1.2 is amazing in my opinion. It has major performance and memory management improvements over his previous ROM's. It's incredibly stable, and it IS faster than any other ROM (6.1 or 6.5) I've personally tried out.
It's given my xv6800 some more life. Until the Tour comes out and I jump onto the evil Blackberry bandwagon, 4.1.2 is it for me.
I highly recommend.
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I'll give you my opinion......... since I played with them all.
I had been running DCD 3.3.4 for 6-8 months until about a month ago when the "tinker bug" kicked in again and I had to flash and play with new ROM's.
I first went to 6.5 ROM's by RyanMogul and a few others both here and on PPCGeeks. All of them are visually stunning, but, all of them ARE slower than ROM's running 6.1
Also, for me, free memory was an issue. 6.5 simply needs more memory than 6.1 and there isn't nothing you can do about it. 6.5 ideally should be run on phones with 128MB RAM or more.
I loved 6.5 for its looks, but, I run programs like SPB Phone Suite, Pocket Weather, Palringo, and others, often simultaneously, and that just wasnt realistic with 6.5 due to low RAM availability.
So I went back to 6.1, and to good old DCD. 4.1.2 is amazing in my opinion. It has major performance and memory management improvements over his previous ROM's. It's incredibly stable, and it IS faster than any other ROM (6.1 or 6.5) I've personally tried out.
It's given my xv6800 some more life. Until the Tour comes out and I jump onto the evil Blackberry bandwagon, 4.1.2 is it for me.
I highly recommend.
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Thank you for explaining that so eloquently. I think you've just convinced me to go back to 6.1 after running 6.5 for roughly a month. 6.5 is amazing and very finger friendly, but not the OS for the Titan. Just uses too much memory, no matter what. I've tried different programs to free up RAM and keep me from soft resetting 2 or 3 times a day, but none of them really work. On 6.5 I can almost never run 2 apps at once, unless they are very small. So back to good ol DCD for me. At least until I get a new device! (touch pro maybe )
Just my 2 cents
Currently I am running Mattsm 6.5 23003b and this morning I was running 4 apps and switching between them with enough memory for all of them. I was on a website, Biblegateway, had a java application open, Go Bible by Jolon Faichney, Word 6.1 and Windows Mobile 6.5 Titanium Today (this skin allows both vertical scrolling and on some panes, horizontal movement) which I was using as the switching point to jump back and forth. I have run DCD ROMs in the past and they are great ROMs but if you want to see what is possible with your Titan follow the different developers.
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Thank you for explaining that so eloquently. I think you've just convinced me to go back to 6.1 after running 6.5 for roughly a month. 6.5 is amazing and very finger friendly, but not the OS for the Titan. Just uses too much memory, no matter what. I've tried different programs to free up RAM and keep me from soft resetting 2 or 3 times a day, but none of them really work. On 6.5 I can almost never run 2 apps at once, unless they are very small. So back to good ol DCD for me. At least until I get a new device! (touch pro maybe )
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One thing that DCD kept on repeating with the release of 4.1.2 was that the amount of free memory was determined by what was in the ROM. So you stripped EVERYTHING out and added it later with cabs and you suddenly start with a higher amount of memory from the outset.
I'd love to see Ryan prove this by releasing his "light" rom with a required cab. I bet if the rom didn't have all the the extra ring tones and addons he includes, we'd boot to more than 17.5mb I've available in his wm7 rom.
I'm glad you mentioned you can turn off the new today screen. I'm not impressed so far. But the big thing is that my GPS is working again which it never did with DCD's last release.
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One thing that DCD kept on repeating with the release of 4.1.2 was that the amount of free memory was determined by what was in the ROM. So you stripped EVERYTHING out and added it later with cabs and you suddenly start with a higher amount of memory from the outset.
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i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash.
free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in. however, this is the reason that most htc-written applications run from /windows, and those applications would thus would require the same storage memory whether in ROM or not.
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i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash.
free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in. however, this is the reason that most htc-written applications run from /windows, and those applications would thus would require the same storage memory whether in ROM or not.
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I was just thinking, DCD should change his name to Optimus Prime
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One thing that DCD kept on repeating with the release of 4.1.2 was that the amount of free memory was determined by what was in the ROM. So you stripped EVERYTHING out and added it later with cabs and you suddenly start with a higher amount of memory from the outset.
I'd love to see Ryan prove this by releasing his "light" rom with a required cab. I bet if the CAB didn't have all the the extra ring tones and addons he includes, we'd boot to more than 17.5mb I've available in his wm7 rom.
I'm glad you mentioned you can turn off the new today screen. I'm not impressed so far. But the big thing is that my GPS is working again which it never did with DCD's last release.
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Please don't mumble about me incoherently. My ROMs do not use any CABs besides 1.1 Heavy and thats 1 out of 7 ROMs. Version 1.1 Heavy installs Google maps using a cab and M2D via Auto Customization.. Otherwise there is not a single CAB involved in the any other of my ROMs flashing and booting the first time..
The ringtones are not a CAB.. They are added ingredients used while cooking a ROM in a kitchen..
Release my ROM without the required cab...??? wtf.. lol
I know I should include less ringtones but I do the best I can. I don't appreciate my work being examined with a fine tooth comb pointing out any imperfection you can find to take away from its luster..
I release several versions so if you want pretty and loaded, you get that. If you want ugly and slim, you get that too. And a few things in between. Like I said I try.
I will remove some of the ringtones next time I cook and relocate several installs to make sure they stay only in the windows directory because I know what you guys mean.
Some ppl are just dicks. I'm currently running ryans 6.5 the heavy one. He did a great job since I want 6.5 on my mogul till the TP2 comes out. I turned off most of the things I don't need like the new today screen and the camera which I hardly ever use, I'm consistently at over 25mb but I mostly use my phone to get e-mails and txt.
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i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash.
free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in. however, this is the reason that most htc-written applications run from /windows, and those applications would thus would require the same storage memory whether in ROM or not.
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Hey who's this guy?? Glad to see your alive and well dcd.... Just another thanks for all you've done for the community....
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i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash. Free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in.
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Ah, that could fit with what you were saying. Man, now I wish I could find the exact quote. I'd like to better understand what you were saying with this added bit of info. I've searched for about 20 minutes with no luck.
You were responding for the 20th time to someone asking why you'd only released a ROM and one that didn't have games or something in it. I read it to say that if the ROM was smaller and people installed their req software via cabs, in general, everyone would have more free program memory. Which seemed to make sense... I just carried it a little further than you meant, and assumed then that items installed to the device later didn't affect the amount of "ram" available. sigh... I miss the days the memory slider on my old e750 that allowed me to override balance between storage memory and program memory. Anyway, thanks for the additional info.
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Please don't mumble about me incoherently. My ROMs do not use any CABs besides 1.1 Heavy and thats 1 out of 7 ROMs. Version 1.1 Heavy installs Google maps using a cab and M2D via Auto Customization.. Otherwise there is not a single CAB involved in the any other of my ROMs flashing and booting the first time..
The ringtones are not a CAB.. They are added ingredients used while cooking a ROM in a kitchen..
Release my ROM without the required cab...??? wtf.. lol
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Ryan, dude, slow down a minute and read what I actually typed.
I never said anything about your current ROMS requiring CABs nor did I say that you'd released a ROM that was a missing required CAB.
I was talking about doing an experiment, making a test build, to prove a theory about memory usage. Sometimes that's what we do, we try an idea, see if it improves the situation and drop it when it doesn't pan out. Heck, I didn't even expect you to be reading this thread. So, I certainly wouldn't have been criticizing you or your work here.
What worries me more is the "Please don't mumble about me". No one said anything against you. Even if people do say stuff about your works, don't take it as a criticism about you, personally. If you keep doing that, you'll lead a miserable life as a developer.
I know releasing no-cost software on which everyone has an opinion is difficult. But if you are so uptight, so quickly, you really should step back from reading threads for a bit. This place WILL drive you nuts if you let it, but it will happen much faster if you take everything as a judgment of your worth.
RyanMogul6800 said:
I know I should include less ringtones but I do the best I can. I don't appreciate my work being examined with a fine tooth comb pointing out any imperfection you can find to take away from its luster..
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As explained above, I've never criticized a single feature of your ROM. I mentioned 17.5 free on your heavy ROM with the wm7 extras, but I consider that darn good for your heaviest ROM. I've booted under other roms to 15 something.
And as far as "I don't appreciate my work being examined with a fine tooth comb", well... you should.
Take all the input and critiques you can. After 20 years as a programmer I know bugs happen. I'm not perfect. Making good stuff makes me proud, but I'll tell you now that I won't ever create a perfect piece of complex software on the 1st or 10th go around. If someone points out a problem, then that is a chance for my stuff to be even better, if I decide I want to fix it.
I am now running your 6.1 light version, which I think is incredible. Your roms have resolved several issues I've had with this refurb phone I am now using. And while I am extremely impressed with the level of detail you've gone to(like the fact that you've included the right codecs/dlls for tcpmp to play wma files on 6.1), you should not be surprised that I have found a nit-picky mistake and have some suggestions for you to consider.
I'd not share them here in any case, as it is off topic to this thread, and if it will hurt your feelings or honor for me to post it anywhere, I'll keep the information to myself. At least the one suggestion, will add a missing feature to your ROM, but I'll leave it up to you.
First off here's what I am running:
GSBv1.5
Cache2Cache
Clocked using the overclocker in the cyanogenmod settings at
Max - 729
Min - 245
Gov - Smartass
I was just wondering, if I have a lot of stuff of my sd card, can this affect the speed of my Eris ? It's probably a stupid question but I was just wondering because I copied all the contents of my sd card onto my laptop then formatted my sd card and flashed Tazz Gingerbread v5 and it seemed pretty fast. Then I added my music back onto the card and my nandroid backup plus some other stuff and now regardless if I use Tazz's GB or Workshed's GB, they both seem really laggy and slow almost to the point where it seemed like the 2.2 roms were faster. Anyone got any input on this ? I mean I could understand maybe the bootup taking a little while because it's trying to read all the files and stuff but would it really make the overall functionality of the device a little slower ? Any tips on making my phone faster like getting rid of apps and stuff like that. I'm really confused because my device (other than the apps that come with the rom) only has 7 apps installed !!! Here are the apps I have installed other than what came on the roms
Advanced Task Killer
Angry Birds (of course)
Camera360 Ultimate
Minimalistic Text
Wireless Tether for Root Users
XDA's App
Zedge
My battery life has also took a change for the worse (only lasting about 6 hours of regular use). I'm thinking the cause for this might be because I didn't wipe the batt stats when I flashed the rom. Hopefully someone can help me out because my phone is really delayed now and draining the battery pretty fast. Thanks guys !!!
spc_hicks09 said:
I was just wondering, if I have a lot of stuff of my sd card, can this affect the speed of my Eris ? It's probably a stupid question but I was just wondering because I copied all the contents of my sd card onto my laptop then formatted my sd card and flashed Tazz Gingerbread v5 and it seemed pretty fast. Then I added my music back onto the card and my nandroid backup plus some other stuff and now regardless if I use Tazz's GB or Workshed's GB, they both seem really laggy and slow almost to the point where it seemed like the 2.2 roms were faster. Anyone got any input on this ? I mean I could understand maybe the bootup taking a little while because it's trying to read all the files and stuff but would it really make the overall functionality of the device a little slower ? Any tips on making my phone faster like getting rid of apps and stuff like that. I'm really confused because my device (other than the apps that come with the rom) only has 7 apps installed !!!
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Hi, Corporal Hicks. Aliens fan or actual military man? Anyway, you didn't say whether you installed the apps to your SD card or not, which would certainly affect the speed, especially for things that run constantly (not an expert opinion) and on boot.
One other possibility is file fragmentation. I don't know if it would be that fragmented after doing a fresh format and copying things over, though. Raxco PerfectDisk only says I have 5% fragmentation right now, and I haven't reformatted my SD card since perhaps September or so.
Maybe if the directory information (the FAT/File Allocation Table) itself is quite fragmented that would attribute to the slowdown you are noticing, making it take so long to go through the SD card's list of files.
"Game over man, GAME OVER!" - Aliens
roirraW "edor" ehT said:
Hi, Corporal Hicks. Aliens fan or actual military man? Anyway, you didn't say whether you installed the apps to your SD card or not, which would certainly affect the speed, especially for things that run constantly (not an expert opinion) and on boot.
One other possibility is file fragmentation. I don't know if it would be that fragmented after doing a fresh format and copying things over, though. Raxco PerfectDisk only says I have 5% fragmentation right now, and I haven't reformatted my SD card since perhaps September or so.
Maybe if the directory information (the FAT/File Allocation Table) itself is quite fragmented that would attribute to the slowdown you are noticing, making it take so long to go through the SD card's list of files.
"Game over man, GAME OVER!" - Aliens
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Actual military, stationed in Hawaii for now. 25th ID! Anyway, no I didn't install any apps to the card and oddly enough I wanted to check it again to make sure. So again I deleted everything from my card and reformatted and again it was blazing fast. I'm confused, maybe a virus on my card or something ?
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spc_hicks09 said:
Actual military, stationed in Hawaii for now. 25th ID! Anyway, no I didn't install any apps to the card and oddly enough I wanted to check it again to make sure. So again I deleted everything from my card and reformatted and again it was blazing fast. I'm confused, maybe a virus on my card or something ?
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I was in 1AD.
I doubt if it's a virus. Since I haven't tried either CM7 ROM, and I'm not even on CM6 right now, I don't remember if they default to "Automatic" as far as the location of application installs. Might be worth checking in the CM settings, just in case you didn't realize that some got installed to the card without you explicitly telling it to.
Of course, if the phone slows down after copying things back to your SD card (not an .android-secure folder, though, I hope) before you install any apps, then you know it's not because of installing apps. I would then only copy HALF of the things back to the SD card, instead of all, and see if it slows down.
Then as a comparison, I would only copy the OTHER half (after another fresh format) and again see if it slows down. If it slows down both times, then I don't know where to go from there unless you really feel like breaking it down further, like into quarters.
If only one of the two halves causes the phone to slow down, further cut that half into two, and only try one of those quarters at a time and test again. Time consuming, but all depends on how much you want to know and how much impact it makes on you.