Anyone else getting their System Time on the Titan reset everytime the GPS is used?
Now this may only be related to Garmin XT software. But so far i have tried dcd 2.0, 2.1, 2.2 ROM and all have this issue.
THis is what happens:
1) Start Garmin XT - everthing is OK
2) GPS gets a lock (indoors)
3) At this point is when the system time resets to 7PM (Feb2,2,2008)
That happens every single time the GPS is first accessed.
I can manually Upate the time from the network and it sets correctly, even while Garmin XT is running.
The time stays this way until the Titan turns off (timeouts).
So when i hit the power button. The time resets again as soon as the GPS starts to lock into the Cell towers (AGPS)
I don't have any other GPS apps to try. SO i don't know if its a GPS radio issue.
Basically it looks like the GPS driver or software accesses the system time (probably form the cells towers) and it resets.
Garmin is the culprit, it doesn't happen with any other GPS software.
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Im also using 2.2.0 and Garmin XT . A couple of mins after I start Garmin, the time resets. This also happend with 2.1.0. Is this also happening with other GPS software?
Traketo said:
Im also using 2.2.0 and Garmin XT . A couple of mins after I start Garmin, the time resets. This also happend with 2.1.0. Is this also happening with other GPS software?
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This same exact thing was happening to me. I then did a HARD reset by pressing the 2 soft buttons while powering up and then hitting R on the keyboard. I went through the setup wizard for WinMo 6.1 (I'm using dcd 2.2.0) and immediately installed Garmin Mobile XT. Got a sat fix in a few seconds and my time never reset.
I highly doubt Garmin Mobile XT is the culprit. I killed all apps in Task Manager before doing the hard reset and my phone was constantly resetting the time. And after the hard reset and installing ONLY Mobile XT I don't have the problem. I did not install QuickGPS this time and noticed that it runs as a background process.
This was also happening when I would launch Holux GPS Viewer and has even happened to me when I had no GPS software running at all. So either Garmin is installing some sort of filter driver or runs some sort of background process that is completely not obvious to me... or it's just not Garmin and is something else we all have in common.
jrebeiro said:
This same exact thing was happening to me. I then did a HARD reset by pressing the 2 soft buttons while powering up and then hitting R on the keyboard. I went through the setup wizard for WinMo 6.1 (I'm using dcd 2.2.0) and immediately installed Garmin Mobile XT. Got a sat fix in a few seconds and my time never reset.
I highly doubt Garmin Mobile XT is the culprit. I killed all apps in Task Manager before doing the hard reset and my phone was constantly resetting the time. And after the hard reset and installing ONLY Mobile XT I don't have the problem. I did not install QuickGPS this time and noticed that it runs as a background process.
This was also happening when I would launch Holux GPS Viewer and has even happened to me when I had no GPS software running at all. So either Garmin is installing some sort of filter driver or runs some sort of background process that is completely not obvious to me... or it's just not Garmin and is something else we all have in common.
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Are you sure about that? I haven't yet tried to do the hard reset after updating the ROM. Hard Reset wipes out everything right?
Which soft keys did you push when power up?
What exactly is the procedure?
THis is what I found out so far. I would say that it is indeed Garmin XT that is causing the issue, or at leat the Intermediate Driver that its using.
Basically its like this:
Garmin XT receives a GPS lock and syncs the GPS time with the Titan's System Time.
When Garmin XT locks onto only the AGPS it syncs with what im assuming is the Cell phone tower time or partial time if it can't triangulate. Hence the incorrect system time sync.
However, if you are outside and have actual Satellite GPS locks, Garmin will sync to the correct time.
So the temporarly work around is either.
Turn on Garmin while your outside and have your phone ON (not in standby). So keep it ON for a couple mins, before starting Garmin XT. This will pickup GPS not just AGPS.
or Start Garmin XT as usual.
At which point your System Clock will change with the Sync to an incorrect time. Now wait for full GPS Sat lock (3D is best). At this point DISABLE GPS (within Garmin XT) and renable it again. And BAMM...just like that the clock will change to the correct time, since it has this info from the GPS Sats.
So my conclusion is that Garmin Syncs the Titan's System Time to GPS time. BUt like i said it could just be the intermediate driver.
Note that i tried Google Mobile with GPS and did not have this issue.
So the real question should be, is how to Disable Garmin from Syncing our System Time?? ANyone?
CannonBaller said:
THis is what I found out so far. I would say that it is indeed Garmin XT that is causing the issue, or at leat the Intermediate Driver that its using.
Basically its like this:
Garmin XT receives a GPS lock and syncs the GPS time with the Titan's System Time.
When Garmin XT locks onto only the AGPS it syncs with what im assuming is the Cell phone tower time or partial time if it can't triangulate. Hence the incorrect system time sync.
However, if you are outside and have actual Satellite GPS locks, Garmin will sync to the correct time.
So the temporarly work around is either.
Turn on Garmin while your outside and have your phone ON (not in standby). So keep it ON for a couple mins, before starting Garmin XT. This will pickup GPS not just AGPS.
or Start Garmin XT as usual.
At which point your System Clock will change with the Sync to an incorrect time. Now wait for full GPS Sat lock (3D is best). At this point DISABLE GPS (within Garmin XT) and renable it again. And BAMM...just like that the clock will change to the correct time, since it has this info from the GPS Sats.
So my conclusion is that Garmin Syncs the Titan's System Time to GPS time. BUt like i said it could just be the intermediate driver.
Note that i tried Google Mobile with GPS and did not have this issue.
So the real question should be, is how to Disable Garmin from Syncing our System Time?? ANyone?
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Your right on CannonBaller. I'm seeing the exact same behavior. But now that I think about it, I've been running Garmin Mobile 10 (Garmin with the external GPS) for 6 months and I never had a problem until I upgraded to the ROM from here. This isn't a cooked ROM because I didn't need to unlock my phone to install it. I'm not too familiar with kitchens and cooking so I kept it simple and just installed the basic one that came out in January.
But if we're seeing the same behavior from WM61 ROMs then that tells me that it's something in the WM ROMS. Would you agree? I hope this isn't the case because that may mean that the official HTC ROM could have the same problem and that would SUCK!
it is Garmin XT. Same thing happens to me. What I have done is I run quickgps to get a lock, close that app and then open garmin and it gets a lock within a few seconds. If you run garmin without getting a lock on your location within a certain amount of time (not sure the amount) it will reset your clock as well as the date. Then when you update your phone to the correct date/time you will receive all the appointment and alarm notifications that occurred between the date and time it went back to and the current date and time.
In conclusion it is easiest for me to just get a gps lock with quickgps and then load garmin.
axion68 said:
it is Garmin XT. Same thing happens to me. What I have done is I run quickgps to get a lock, close that app and then open garmin and it gets a lock within a few seconds. If you run garmin without getting a lock on your location within a certain amount of time (not sure the amount) it will reset your clock as well as the date. Then when you update your phone to the correct date/time you will receive all the appointment and alarm notifications that occurred between the date and time it went back to and the current date and time.
In conclusion it is easiest for me to just get a gps lock with quickgps and then load garmin.
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I think you mean GPSViewer not QuickGPS. QuickGPS downloads EE data from the internet.
I too have resorted to getting a fix with GPSViewer before loading Mobile XT and have had great results. I searched for a registry key or something to disable time sync but I didn't find anything.
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I think you mean GPSViewer not QuickGPS. QuickGPS downloads EE data from the internet.
I too have resorted to getting a fix with GPSViewer before loading Mobile XT and have had great results. I searched for a registry key or something to disable time sync but I didn't find anything.
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Maybe someone can write a script that automates this. I tried writing on that automatically syncs the clock to the cell network (via settings on the comm manager) after MobileXT is closed, but the RunWait command wasn't working properly.
This same issue, except with Garmin Que is in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=368035
Apparently there is a setting to fix it via Menu>System Setup>General Tab>Uncheck the Synchronize system clock, but that menu option isn't in Mobile XT. It does give hope that there might be a registry setting for it somewhere though.
Has anyone asked Garmin about this?
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Has anyone asked Garmin about this?
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I sent them something a couple weeks ago and this was the dialog:
Me:
I've had both Garmin Mobile 10 as well as Garmin Mobile XT and both are
resetting my system clock on my phone to 7pm, 5 days ago. Very
frustrating because every time I go to use Garmin, I have to reset the
system time.
I'm running:
Garmin Mobile XT 4.10.40wp
Window Mobile 6 Professional CE OS 5.2.1622
any ideas? Thanks
Them:
Thank you for contacting Garmin International.
This is the first that we have heard of the Garmin software resetting
the date and time in a Cell phone. They are typically updated by the
Cell towers of the phone provider. If this device also has a built in
gps, it may be resetting your date and time.
I recommend contacting the manufacturer of the phone to make sure it is
completely up to date.
If you continue to experience this issue, feel free to call our 800
number listed below for more information.
With Best Regards,
Anthony L
I'm still hoping that the official ROM will fix this. I didn't have this problem when I was using an external GPS receiver. I have a friend who has a Tilt using Garmin XT and her time does not reset.
This leads me to believe the problem lies within the pre-release ROM that opened up the internal GPS for my Mogul. I know all signs are pointing to Garmin but I haven't been convinced that it isn't the new ROM that's the culprit. If you know it's the Garmin software, please explain to me how it is so I can move on in life. =)
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I think you mean GPSViewer not QuickGPS. QuickGPS downloads EE data from the internet.
I too have resorted to getting a fix with GPSViewer before loading Mobile XT and have had great results. I searched for a registry key or something to disable time sync but I didn't find anything.
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oops, you are right. i use gps viewer to get a fix first and then close out of that and open garmin xt up. kind of a pita. ive got a garmin standalone and im used to that interface. i still might switch to tomtom but i would like to see an official radio release first
I have the same problem with Garmin using internal gps.
I'm using DCD's 2.0.0, which is wm6.
It resets my clock to 4pm, but then resets back to the correct time usually within a half hour.
Since using the internal gps with Garmin requires a hack, maybe it's related to this.
I also use TomTom 6 and Sprint Nav, and don't have this problem with either of those programs.
Garmin has better graphics though..
I'd like to 2nd, 3rd, whatever the issue with garmin xt using the internal gps and resetting / changing the time.
very annoying... however garmin is simply so much better than tomtom that I will suffer through it until I can find a workaround.
I checked Garmin's site last night just to see if they had any new updates and came across this:
Garmin Mobile XT for Windows Mobile Ver. 4.20.20w as of Feb 26, 2008 Download.
On their initial software update page, it says last update for Garmin Mobile XT for Smartphones was November 14, 2007. But if you click on the link you see more recent updates.
I downloaded and installed it. I've soft resetted and booted up Garmin without booting up any helper GPS app (instantGPS, GPSViewer) and my time hasn't changed since I installed this version. I've been using it all morning and it hasn't changed once.
I'm running:
ROM version 3.16.651.0
Garmin 4.20.20wp
my time isn't changing =)
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I checked Garmin's site last night just to see if they had any new updates and came across this:
Garmin Mobile XT for Windows Mobile Ver. 4.20.20w as of Feb 26, 2008 Download.
On their initial software update page, it says last update for Garmin Mobile XT for Smartphones was November 14, 2007. But if you click on the link you see more recent updates.
I downloaded and installed it. I've soft resetted and booted up Garmin without booting up any helper GPS app (instantGPS, GPSViewer) and my time hasn't changed since I installed this version. I've been using it all morning and it hasn't changed once.
I'm running:
ROM version 3.16.651.0
Garmin 4.20.20wp
my time isn't changing =)
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That update fixed my time issue as well. I also seem to get more SATs much faster. I soft reset my phone and fired up Garmin. I instantly had a lock on 8 SATs. Nice find.
emooney said:
I checked Garmin's site last night just to see if they had any new updates and came across this:
Garmin Mobile XT for Windows Mobile Ver. 4.20.20w as of Feb 26, 2008 Download.
On their initial software update page, it says last update for Garmin Mobile XT for Smartphones was November 14, 2007. But if you click on the link you see more recent updates.
I downloaded and installed it. I've soft resetted and booted up Garmin without booting up any helper GPS app (instantGPS, GPSViewer) and my time hasn't changed since I installed this version. I've been using it all morning and it hasn't changed once.
I'm running:
ROM version 3.16.651.0
Garmin 4.20.20wp
my time isn't changing =)
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I tried this new version today. My clock still changes before I get a fix (no bars in the GPS strength meter in the main menu), but it does re-update to the correct time after it gets a fix. Better than before, but problem NOT solved.
Hi Friends:
I'm trying to enable the GPS for my SPRINT HTC MOGUL PPC-6800...let me give you the GPS-Settings
Start/Settings/System/External GPS
- Programs: COM4
- Hardware: (None) & 4800
- Access: Manage GPS automatically (recommended) option is checked
Start/Settings/Personal/Phone/Services/Location Setting is set to "ON"
I'm doing the following:
1. Make sure data connection is active and start QuickGPS. There's a time at the bottom that tells you how long the data is active for. I download the data over and over until it says 7 days at the bottom. Once it says 7 days I exit QuickGPS. I then go into task manager and make sure QuickGPS is stopped.
2. I open Holux GPS Viewer and make sure it's set to Com 4/4800 baud, and then open the gps. Immediately after opening I check the WAAS checkbox and immediately after checking the box, I click Cold Start. I then minimize GPS Viewer (I do not close it in task manager).
3. I open Google Maps and run it normally. For Google Maps I click Use GPS and I get Seeking GPS satellites (0)... with one point in the middle of the screen...for 15 or 30 minutes...and nothing change...the GPS isn't enabled
Can you help me?
Thanks
TecMan
SPRINT HTC MOGUL PPC-6800
ROM version: dcd 3.0.1
Carrier: Iusacell (Mexico)
Radio version: 3.35.04
Why are you using these gps launchers before google maps? Google maps always gets gps by itself on my phone... either way when you check use gps it should acquire. How long are you waiting? Where are you when doing this(inside/outside)? What rom are you running? I would soft reset then go to google maps and try without the launchers/primers. Besides that sounds like you should be good but i think some users reported bad chips in the handset, might be that.
Hi thakidc:
Thanks for your reply...let me give you my answers:
Why are you using these gps launchers before google maps?...Google Maps works great with my 3G-Internet connection and I read that QuickGPS & Holux GPS Viewer help to enable the GPS
How long are you waiting?...for 15 or 30 minutes...and nothing change...the GPS isn't enabled
Where are you when doing this(inside/outside)? inside in my office
What rom are you running? ROM version: dcd 3.0.1
Let me try "outside" and run Google Maps without launchers/primers
Thanks
TecMan
SPRINT HTC MOGUL PPC-6800
ROM version: dcd 3.0.1
Carrier: Iusacell (Mexico)
Radio version: 3.35.04
Hi thakidc:
The GPS enabled (4) with Google Maps and without launchers/primers but outside of my office
Thanks for your help
TecMan
SPRINT HTC MOGUL PPC-6800
ROM version: dcd 3.0.1
Carrier: Iusacell (Mexico)
Radio version: 3.35.04
No problem your building must be pretty solid to block the signal or you in the middle or sumthin
I had a quick question, I don't have a problem getting a signal outside. But I find in some vehicles that I get in no matter how long i leave GPS running it can't get a lock on any sattelites. Has anyone had this problem before?
ROM: DCD 3.0.1
Software: Garmin Mobile XT or TomTom
That does sound wierd, r u in a armored truck or sumthin. If your moving try stopping, roll a window down or uh.. hold your phone out it. Good luck
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No problem your building must be pretty solid to block the signal or you in the middle or sumthin
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No, we've found that not all Titans are equal and some, sadly, have rather poor satellite reception.
The GPS hardware discrepancies certainly do exist (a few members have tested identical software setups on multiple units at the same time and location) and it's just a luck of the draw as to what you have.
Guys for some I downloaded Garmin mobile XT for my titan but the GPS is not working.... my friend is using the Sprint windows mobile 6.1 and everything is working for him.... Im using DcD 3.2.6 and radio 3.42.50 Am I missing something here>?? toher than that everything is working as it should.
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Guys for some I downloaded Garmin mobile XT for my titan but the GPS is not working.... my friend is using the Sprint windows mobile 6.1 and everything is working for him.... Im using DcD 3.2.6 and radio 3.42.50 Am I missing something here>?? toher than that everything is working as it should.
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Some have said that they need a GPS starter program to turn on the GPS with Garmin software, some have said they don't. You might be in the first category.
thanks jambrose!!
Im going to read this -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363431&highlight=gps+starter ad go from there.
Hi,
I was wondering if anybody got Garmin XT v5.0 working on their Verizon TP?
I did flash Verizon Maintenance Release V2.0 and GPS IS UNLOCKED. I can use it in Google Maps and all. After installing Garmin XT program starts correctly and is activated yet still refuse to see the internal GPS receiver.
Did anybody got it to work with internal GPS? It will only search for external GPS receivers...
TIA
Nevermind.
I don't know how I missed the "Intermediate Driver" option.
Garmin XT works perfectly on Verizon TP.
Thanks Anyway
I have been using TomTom 7 with GPSGate and Copilot 8 no problem until this evening. Used it this morning going to work but now apps cannot find GPS device? GPSGate shows no incoming. Any ideas?
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I have been using TomTom 7 with GPSGate and Copilot 8 no problem until this evening. Used it this morning going to work but now apps cannot find GPS device? GPSGate shows no incoming. Any ideas?[/QUOTE
That's strange. Do you tried update your gps data??
If you put any more information is better.
You have your phone on?
What msg error do you receive and etc....?
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GPS has worked since I got the phone in December and was working great this morning. I don't think GPSGate is the problem as google maps can't find the GPS device either. I tried the internal GPS settings and tried to download GPS data but the message is "failed to save downloaded GPS data". Last download date was 01/01/10 so I don't think that's the problem either since GPS was working up until today..
But...the last GPS app I did use was Next2Me which I installed from XDA Dev. a couple of days ago, I wonder if that messed things up?
Check the external gps settings of your device if same port is there(in case you know the previous, by default is gpd9).
If not, you have 2 possibilities(because the last app you used may have ''take advantage'' of your gps port vs. other gps apps):
1.soft reset;
or
2.set gpsgate to find your gps port again.
Cheers!
PS Let me know about....
Finally did a hard reset (master clear) and GPS works again. Wondering now whether to reinstall SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 or try out HTC Sense...
If you had SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 installed - make sure that you didn't accidentally turn off the 'Phone Mode' - without this active, the GPS will not work.
Hi, I had same problem recently. The gpsgate started to show no incoming data. Had to hard reset to get gps working again. Was caused by installing cf .net 3.5, I have confirmed this as I re-installed .net 3.5 and had same problem.