Hello.
I'm looking for a Car charger, and i found this product.
It has a standard MiniUSB connector, and it has 1000mAH (out) and 5V (in).
Is this what i need? how can i know that it won't damage my device?
or any MiniUSB will do the job?
Thank you all.
help please?
EyeVein said:
It has a standard MiniUSB connector, and it has 1000mAH (out) and 5V (in).
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It has to be 5v (out) not 5V (in). Car batteries are in 12v or 24v, that's your input. Any usb is in 5V, that's your output.
EyeVein said:
how can i know that it won't damage my device?
or any MiniUSB will do the job?
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It won't damage your device, because the USB specification imply a voltage of 5v, so any USB-compatible device will charge with a 5v input, and any miniUSB will do the job.
Considering the 1000mAh (out), it's a bit underrated but won't be a problem. A higher power output would allow you to charge your battery slightly faster. Car chargers are usually rated at 1500mAh.
m3uch4 said:
It has to be 5v (out) not 5V (in). Car batteries are in 12v or 24v, that's your input. Any usb is in 5V, that's your output.
It won't damage your device, because the USB specification imply a voltage of 5v, so any USB-compatible device will charge with a 5v input, and any miniUSB will do the job.
Considering the 1000mAh (out), it's a bit underrated but won't be a problem. A higher power output would allow you to charge your battery slightly faster. Car chargers are usually rated at 1500mAh.
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Ok, buying it!
Thanks alot mate
I have found out that BlackBerry Pearl car charger charges my Polaris succesfully, even when navigation is on...
Strange thing is that BB car charger is stated as 500 mAh output...
moto v3 works too...
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Hi, I have noticed that the output of the power charger for the TD2 is 5v and 1amp.
I use the HTC phones a lot in my car, and my old Orbit2 (Polaris) car socket-USB charger is 5v and 2amp.
Will using the old car charger harm the device?
Many thanks
BigKuri said:
Hi, I have noticed that the output of the power charger for the TD2 is 5v and 1amp.
I use the HTC phones a lot in my car, and my old Orbit2 (Polaris) car socket-USB charger is 5v and 2amp.
Will using the old car charger harm the device?
Many thanks
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I would doubt it, as the original HTC wall-charger for the Polaris is also 5v and 1amp.
Chainfire said:
I would doubt it, as the original HTC wall-charger for the Polaris is also 5v and 1amp.
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Ah - didn't have one to hand. Would make sense then.
I blew up a Polaris last year with wrong charger 5v-4a. Still worked, but the LEDs would no longer light up, and it would only charge on trickle from computer usb cable... Once bitten twice shy and all that.
Thanks for the info.
Well I wouldn't advise using anything but 5v/1a or 5v/0.5a, but if you used 2a on your Polaris I would guess your Topaz would react the same
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Well I wouldn't advise using anything but 5v/1a or 5v/0.5a, but if you used 2a on your Polaris I would guess your Topaz would react the same
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Yes - seeing the standard wall charger for the Polaris was 5v-1a it should be ok as the 5v-2a car charger I have for the Polaris was OEM - in the box that the phone came with. (fingers crossed!)
Ahha! Solved. On the HTC accessory site they have a photo of the car charger cable in which you can just read 5v-2a
http://i.expansys.com/i/b/b179154.jpg
yup, the original htc diamond2 car charger is 5v at 2amps. been using it a lot and no problem with my unit. i also noticed the diffference in the voltage and asked if there will be any problem, they said no problem.
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but would that mean I could also use the TD2 power charger with my ipod too (using my ipod's usb cable obviously)? From what I can tell, the Apple branded usb charger for the ipod is 5v at 1a.
Anybody tried to use standart HTC 5V wall charger for Flyer?
I have HD2 and its charger can safely give 1A. This type of chargers have USB data pins shortened. So all HTC devices conneced by standart USB cable identifies it as AC charger. I have tried to connect Flyer for a half a minute. Charger was identified as AC and as I remeber (not shure...and afraid to test once more) Flyer was sucking more than 1A (Battery monitor pro).
Flyer AC charger is 9V 1.62A, standart charger 5V 1A so question is do Flyer detects difference between Flyer charger and Standart 5V charger? Is it safe and possible to use standart 5V charger?
yes you can use standard USB, it will just charge slower
DigitalMD said:
yes you can use standard USB, it will just charge slower
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Have you tried or you just think so?
If flyer tries to get more than 1A, yes it will charge slower, but it will also burn charger.
I charge with reg usb all the time
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I do it routinely. The device cannot draw more than the usb port will supply. PC ports supply only 0.5 amp. So they will only work if you turn the power off the Flyer. Wall chargers vary, some supply 1 amp. The original is 9v 1.6 amp were usb chargers typically are 5v so they will charge slower, much slower in some cases.
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I do it routinely. The device cannot draw more than the usb port will supply. PC ports supply only 0.5 amp. So they will only work if you turn the power off the Flyer. Wall chargers vary, some supply 1 amp. The original is 9v 1.6 amp were usb chargers typically are 5v so they will charge slower, much slower in some cases.
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Sorry for last several anoying questions. Just want to be shure.
1. Do you use HTC charger or other vendor? In most cases only HTC 5V chargers are identified as 1A AC chargers. If not - device will not request more tha 500ma in order not to burn USB port (device thinks that it is port in that case)
2. Did you see that Flyer identified charger as AC source?
3. Did you charge when battery was less than 10%, what was charge current value on Flyer
Ok, now its getting annoying, did you actually read the information I put in the post you quoted? You just ask me the same questions I already answered.
The chargers all run on AC and produce DC . Flyer original output is 9 Vdc 1.6 amp .
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Ok, now its getting annoying, did you actually read the information I put in the post you quoted? You just ask me the same questions I already answered.
The chargers all run on AC and produce DC . Flyer original output is 9 Vdc 1.6 amp .
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Sorry but I think you did not gave the anwer. My english is not so good so maybe the question was not clear. I will try to explain once more, it is up to you to answer or just end this conversation/thread if you think i asked same stupid question once more.
1. Usually non HTC 5V chargers on HTC devices are identified as USB port and thats why devices draws no more than 500mA. It made so no to burn USB port.
2. All 5V HTC chargers on HTC devices are identified as AC 1A, so devices try to get as much as thay can (usually phones request less than 1A).
3. HTC Flyer with empty battery can request no more than 9*1.6A=14.4W. Flyer charger can handle that. Standart can handle only 5*1A=5W.
The question was: do 5V 1A HTC charger will not burn because Flyer identifies charger as AC and can request more than 1A. USB ports usually have protection from current. I do not know if 5V HTC chargers has protection or do Flyer identifies difference between 9v and 5v chargers and sets max current it can get from charger?
extra pins not present on a usb cable for mains charging. if using usb cables the the flyer is a usb device and has the same power restrictions as any other device...simple as that.
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extra pins not present on a usb cable for mains charging. if using usb cables the the flyer is a usb device and has the same power restrictions as any other device...simple as that.
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You are not right.
HTC 5V HTC mains charger comes with standart USB cable with no extra pins. Thats true. But mains charger has Data+and Data- shortened inside what makes HTC phones think that it is mains... with any USB cable. So power restrictions will not be as for USB....but as for AC. I have tested that in practice. I made belkin car charger and iphone charger able to be treated as mains chargers just by connecting pins (iphone charger data pins should be disconnected from schema before connecting. I have secret how to connect pins without opening unopenable iPhone charger....).
So the question is Flyer is able to identify mains 5V1A and 9V1.6A difference and do it apply different restrictions. Now for both shows it as AC source and I think sucks as much amps as it can up to 1.6A. So teoretically it should burn 5V charger if it will suck more than 1A.
What are you trying to do exactly?
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by the way, it is standard, not standart.
I use the Flyer with a variety of USB wall chargers, car chargers and PC ports and have never experienced fire or explosion, only charging and slow charging. Are you trying to figure out how to use a different charger and still get a rapid charge rate?
Ok, I think I understand what the question really is but it is poorly phrased.
On my previous statement I agree with your answer in terms of how it is possible to read what I had said, in fact probably the logical way to read it on re-reading what I wrote, what I meant was electrically present, not that there were extra physical pins, whether electrically present is hi or lo doesn't matter.
If the question is can you rapid charge at 5V from a sufficiently powerful 5v then the answer is no, even if you pull D+ and D- to ground. Also it is highly likely that in the AC charger a resistor rather than direct connection is used to pull them to ground and these resistors could be electrically significant in the overall charging circuit.
The most probable reason for this is that there are two parallel charging circuits in the flyer ( almost certain of this ), and hence why 9v is used. The charge voltage for a 3.7v battery is 4.2 volts and somewhere around 500-750mA, the second charging circuit will have an isolation circuit to ensure that it is only engaged for charging purposes and does not directly feed the tablet that would be the purpose of the modified connections of d+ and d-, activate the secondary charging circuit.
Assuming you feed the device 5v from usb that would mean that the second circuit would receive a 0.8v supply, probably (hopefully) not enough to activate it so you just burn up the extra as heat in the circuit. In theory you would see a higher current draw by asking the flyer to run as if it was connected to an 9v supply when you connect a 5v supply. Best and most likely case scenario you're just being inefficient, medium case you burn out a component or protection (eg thermal fuse), worst case scenario you reverse the battery and it gets damaged or explodes.
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Assuming you feed the device 5v from usb that would mean that the second circuit would receive a 0.8v supply, probably (hopefully) not enough to activate it so you just burn up the extra as heat in the circuit. In theory you would see a higher current draw by asking the flyer to run as if it was connected to an 9v supply when you connect a 5v supply. Best and most likely case scenario you're just being inefficient, medium case you burn out a component or protection (eg thermal fuse), worst case scenario you reverse the battery and it gets damaged or explodes.
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This is what i meant! I was curious which one of scenarious will happen in practice.
From DigitalMD post above I can make a conclusion that in reality we will have 1st scenario (just inefficient).
Thank you guys.
I recommend you look at the following USB battery charging spec. A properly designed charging circuit will have current limiting and can recognize the power capabilities of the port vs. device vs. cable. This is why some charging circuits use a special cable vs. a standard USB data cable.
http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/Battery_Charging_V1_2.zip
Nice link, it's got some pretty decent information in it.
Honestly to answer your previous question I can't tell, I'm guessing nothing except some heat, but that doesn't mean that you couldn't thermally damage something ( eg the screen ).
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Nice link, it's got some pretty decent information in it.
Honestly to answer your previous question I can't tell, I'm guessing nothing except some heat, but that doesn't mean that you couldn't thermally damage something ( eg the screen ).
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I think that there is no chance to damage Flyer thermally But theoretically, if Flyer wll requests more than 1A charger can overheet and possibly damage the Flyer. But if Flyer can detect that charger as 5V1A and if it can request less than 1A, then it is safe. Also if charger can detect current higher than 1A and can limit it - that also should be safe to use it.
I will read pdf maybe there will be some good info.
I use a self powered usb hub as a daily charger for both my Flyer and Kindle. Works fine. With no "burning out". At work, I use a generic 5v 1a charger, no problems either except for charge speed...
The charge state shows USB instead of AC, so it appears there is some sort of voltage/amp sensing going on?
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kardain said:
I use a self powered usb hub as a daily charger for both my Flyer and Kindle. Works fine. With no "burning out". At work, I use a generic 5v 1a charger, no problems either except for charge speed...
The charge state shows USB instead of AC, so it appears there is some sort of voltage/amp sensing going on?
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Your flyer identifies charger and hub as USB and limits current to 500ma. The initial discussion was about the case when 5V1A charger is identified as AC. This case happens when standart htc phone charger is used (eg HD2 charger). That charger has data pins shortened inside that makes HTC phones (conected by standart USB cable) think that charger is AC. Surprisingly Flyer identifies it also as AC. In that case flyer do not limit current and possibly tries to draw 15W from 5V charger which can deliver only 5W ! I think that good chargers should have protection from oveload....
So soldering data pins together in you generic charger would make it more efficient. I modified my all generic chargers even genuine iphone charger and now all HTC and possibly other phones identify them as AC !! But I still not shure is that safe for flyer.
Little bit offtopic:
Yesterday i dissasembled Griffin car charger thas has 2x1A USB ports. In fact there is a chip inside that can deliver up to 3A. The chip is XL1583E1. This chip can be set to deliver other voltage than 5V by changing resistor.
It would be nice to get somewhere flyer pinouts and see if it uses the same pins for 5V and 9V charging. If the same - it means that this car charger can charge flyer as fast as flyer mains charger just coupling data pins (now it has identifications circuitry for iphone -resistors between vcc,data,data,vdd). If not - it means that charger shoud be modified to deliver 9V and special cable with extra pins will be needed also.
you sure are going through a lot of contortions just to do same things that the HTC charger that comes in the box already does. Why not use the adapter made for the device?
I had a defy earlier and i have been using the motorola charger can i use the same charger for my s2..... if not how about these belikin\capdase chargers which have Output Voltage & Current: 5V 1A can those be used or should i use only a official Samsung charger....
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Leshy1991 said:
I had a defy earlier and i have been using the motorola charger can i use the same charger for my s2..... if not how about these belikin\capdase chargers which have Output Voltage & Current: 5V 1A can those be used or should i use only a official Samsung charger....
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This has been answered before
The important part here is the voltage the car charger outputs. I believe the standard Galaxy S2 outputs 5V (at 700mA [0.7A]). If the mA is lower, it will take a longer time to charge. If its higher, it will only draw from it what it needs.
So, check the output voltage of the charger is not higher than 5V and you should be ok.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1586646
I have Innergie Product
Adaptor 2.1A
http://www.myinnergie.com/MDC/Default.aspx
and PocketCell Mobile Booster
http://www.myinnergie.com/PocketCell/Default.aspx
but I can't use it charge Xperia U, Why doesn't it?
may be about Amp or voltage because Sony Adaptor is 850A but this adaptor is 0.5mA-2.1A ?
How to do it?
Thank you. :crying:
i lost my EP850 powersupply so i bought an 2.1A charger but my SXS was charging with a max of 500mA (like charging over PC-USB-Port)
After a while of google and searching this forum, i found out that the SXS is checking either the DATA-wires are shorted or not. If not, the SXS is charging with a max of 500mA. If they are shorted, SXS is charging with roughly 1A.
I cut of one of my USB-Cables and shorted the wires by myself. (i shorted the wires to micro-USB, the data-wires at the other end (the one going in the supply) are not connected anymore)
If you are not experienced in electronics, you can buy a dedicated charger cable or an adapter.
I think this could be a solution for your SXU too.
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i lost my EP850 powersupply so i bought an 2.1A charger but my SXS was charging with a max of 500mA (like charging over PC-USB-Port)
After a while of google and searching this forum, i found out that the SXS is checking either the DATA-wires are shorted or not. If not, the SXS is charging with a max of 500mA. If they are shorted, SXS is charging with roughly 1A.
I cut of one of my USB-Cables and shorted the wires by myself. (i shorted the wires to micro-USB, the data-wires at the other end (the one going in the supply) are not connected anymore)
If you are not experienced in electronics, you can buy a dedicated charger cable or an adapter.
I think this could be a solution for your SXU too.
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Oh! Thank you very much.
Today, I have buy Micro USB cable type non-data , it have 4pin (normal micro usb is 5pin)
It can charge with innergie adaptor and pocket cell.
Hi,
I've read some threads here about charging the S3, but not all is clear to me. I would appreciate some explanation:
1) I've read that the stock chargers output 1A. However, on the charger I got with my S3 it's written "output: 5V 0.7A". So do you think I somehow got a wrong charger?
2) I want to buy a car charger for the S3. There are many generic car chargers in ebay, some of then output 2A current. What is the maximum current allowed for the S3? I couldn't find this number in my S3 manual or on the phone itself. Will a charger of 2A cause harm to my phone? or to the battery? or to both?
Thanks in advance!
bump... does anyone know?
My charger output states .05v=1.0a.
As for what aftermarket charger to buy, I would stay away from chargers with more output than the official for 'peace of mind that my charger's specifications are the same as the official charger that came with the phone' reasons.
Cheers
Generally wall chargers output 1000mA (1A) and USB ports 500mA (0.5A)
You do not want to purchase anything that goes above 1000mA
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I attach a picture of the adapter I got with my S3.
It says 0.7A on it, while it appears that other have one with 1A.
Did they con me with this adapter?
And regarding the maximum current allowed: do you think an adapter of 1.2A might harm the S3?
Do not know where your S3 come from but this charger is not made For S3 but for S2!
I just checked the model number:
S3 charger: ETAOU81EBE
S2 charger: ETAOU10EBE (like yours)
And there is no cable on the S3 charger, it use the USB cable
Thank you for this!
I don't get it. The charger was inside the S3 box and looked original. Damn!
I think the store I bought from import their S3 from Germany, since it came with Vodafone German stock ROM. Is it possible that this is the charger they sell on German vodafon? Or perhaps the store switched it for some reason?
Mine also come from my carrier: french vodafone
Was your S3 box sealed?
Those words, "teg listrik" and "frekuensi" is written in Indonesian
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Hi,
Background - I am an electronic engineer and have designed power supplies.
The Amp rating on a power supply is it's maximum capability to deliver power. The Voltage is the 'force' that it can push electrons through the device, this is the important one to have correct. So a 5V 300A Power supply will not charge your S3 any quicker than a 5V 1A power supply.
Get yourself a 1A car charger and you'll be fine. Depending on how the data pins on that charger are configured it'll be recognised as either a fast or slow charger but it will be fine in any case.
So, according to what you say, there should be not problem to use a 5V 2A charger on the S3?
The charger cannot accidentally push too much current to the device?
No. The phone limits the Amp the battery can get.
It simply won't go above 0.5 or 1Amp depending on what resistor is coded between the data pins (the 2 middle pins on the normal USB-plug)
(Note that this does not extend to all devices. E.g. cheap chinese toys and their batteries may not have any current limter, connecting them to "too powerful" chargers will result in damages or potential blow-up of the battery. The same applies to batteries without any electronic such as car batteries which can overheat and "cook")
I bought S3 in Germany 1.0A, there is a date on the charger:18.05.2012
Matching charger to phone
burmo said:
Hi,
Background - I am an electronic engineer and have designed power supplies.
The Amp rating on a power supply is it's maximum capability to deliver power. The Voltage is the 'force' that it can push electrons through the device, this is the important one to have correct. So a 5V 300A Power supply will not charge your S3 any quicker than a 5V 1A power supply.
Get yourself a 1A car charger and you'll be fine. Depending on how the data pins on that charger are configured it'll be recognised as either a fast or slow charger but it will be fine in any case.
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Hi burmo,
An interesting concept. I have no clue in these things but what you say is not clear to me "all the way".
Charging my i93100 phone with 5.0V 3.1A will do no harm because it won't "push" more than 1A anyway?
And who is "responsible" for controlling this "push" the charger/battery/phone?
Does it work the same for Car chargers?
Thanks a lot,
Izik
multimeter check on .7amp charger
Animor said:
I attach a picture of the adapter I got with my S3.
It says 0.7A on it, while it appears that other have one with 1A.
Did they con me with this adapter?
And regarding the maximum current allowed: do you think an adapter of 1.2A might harm the S3?
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so i have been wondering about this as well because i am currently building a custom charger for my s3 that charges the battery without having to plug into the charging port. i have redirected wires from the wireless charging port to metal tabs i have place on the back of my phone. it is a "drop in charger".
Anyway i have tested the charger that came with my phone. I also have the samsung stock charger that say the output is .7amp but after testing it with mutimeter, i have found that the output is actually 1.2 amps. As for max charging amps, I am not sure. I have tested several chargers. The new S4 charger puts out 2.34amps and i have not found any problem charging my s3 with it.
TrollTollKarl said:
so i have been wondering about this as well because i am currently building a custom charger for my s3 that charges the battery without having to plug into the charging port. i have redirected wires from the wireless charging port to metal tabs i have place on the back of my phone. it is a "drop in charger".
Anyway i have tested the charger that came with my phone. I also have the samsung stock charger that say the output is .7amp but after testing it with mutimeter, i have found that the output is actually 1.2 amps. As for max charging amps, I am not sure. I have tested several chargers. The new S4 charger puts out 2.34amps and i have not found any problem charging my s3 with it.
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As far as I know the phone limits it so as you've found yes you will be fine
My original S3 charger is 5v 1.0amp
My original S3 charger is 5v 1.0amp. It was bought in Thailand with the phone.
I agree with burmo an advanced phone will have a current limiter as part of its circuit, however I prefer not to rely on it and not to exceed the manufacturer volt/amp recommendation.
The phone controls the current. In custom kernels (Boeffla and so on) you can change the target current. The phone has a protection built in, if the voltage is unstable (drops to much) it lowers the current untill the voltage is stable.
A HTC One charger I sometimes use (0,7A rated) only delivers 0,8A. A aftermarket charger I own (1,0A rated) is fine delivering 1,2A (modified target current, not stock). These charging currents can be read by various apps.
Get yourself a 1,0A rated charger and speed up your charging time.
Benjamin
burmo said:
Hi,
Background - I am an electronic engineer and have designed power supplies.
The Amp rating on a power supply is it's maximum capability to deliver power. The Voltage is the 'force' that it can push electrons through the device, this is the important one to have correct. So a 5V 300A Power supply will not charge your S3 any quicker than a 5V 1A power supply.
Get yourself a 1A car charger and you'll be fine. Depending on how the data pins on that charger are configured it'll be recognised as either a fast or slow charger but it will be fine in any case.
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Seconded the post above being an electronic engineer as wel.
Voltage should be exactly the same as you need, but this will always be the case for a USB charger.
Current should just be enough or more.
The charging current is dictated my your phone and not - and I repeat - NOT by your charger!
mine rates at 1A