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I tried hard to keep up with wm6, tried hard , all possible tweaks.So finally the other day, I thought of going back to WM5 and really it is much much stable, no soft resets, no hangups.Hard to get used to the wm5 interface as compared to the glossy wm6, but performance is what I desire, and now my apps open in seconds, memory leaks are minimal, audio in BT also goes well.
I really wonder, why WM is not fully compatible with Athena.All other devices it works like a charm, why not in Athena.
I think wm6 is quicker and more stable than wm5. I reset more often in the past.
Which wm6 ROM were you running? What applications were you using? It may be one or two applications giving you the problem.
Not much apps, I like to stick with the given apps.Use Windows Live, builtin Opera, sometimes may b NetFront, I do not play games, Skype, I use.That's it.
If u compare the speed of execution of these programms with other devices running wm6 such as Universal,Hermes, Kaiser, Blue Angel, and if we have the fastest processor 624 Mhz, it shd surpass the programe execution time.
WM6 I hv observed that, initially, it works well, but as the use goes on , it tends to slow down, and even it takes a lot of time to make a phone call, after I press "Talk".
I get 150 calls a day on an average fews Texts, few emails, 24 hrs connected to GPRS or Wi Fi whichever is available.
It is a suprise that Blue Angel reacts faster than athena to similar apps, and execution is very good and fast in devices like Hermes,Kaiser, Universal....all Running WM6, either official or cooked ones.
I really fail to understand, why such a thing with Athena.
Where do you install applications?
What does the sktools performance benchmark tells you about your card and MD.
How did you format your drives?
Do you regularly clear up the cache in opera?
How large is your contact database?
Sorry this seems like a so many questions, but there must be a cause of your problem which is not related to wm6. I say that because I've far far more applications than you, all running okay. I do avoid certain applications. Examples include the latest version of ilauncher.
No problems to me with your questions.Once I had decided to us a Virgin wm6..as it is, no apps, still the problem persists.You won't believe, but I wud have changed 5 Athenas so far..but the problem with the speed persists.
My contatcs data base is quite small, opera cache is by dafault is 2 mb, so it gets cleared whatever is more than 2 MB.
If same I use in the other devices as mentioned, I do not face any problems, so far BA and Univeresal has been the best performances, Hermes and Kaiser follow...and Athena is my primary phone, I do not use any other or second phone.
hdubli said:
No problems to me with your questions.Once I had decided to us a Virgin wm6..as it is, no apps, still the problem persists.You won't believe, but I wud have changed 5 Athenas so far..but the problem with the speed persists.
My contatcs data base is quite small, opera cache is by dafault is 2 mb, so it gets cleared whatever is more than 2 MB.
If same I use in the other devices as mentioned, I do not face any problems, so far BA and Univeresal has been the best performances, Hermes and Kaiser follow...and Athena is my primary phone, I do not use any other or second phone.
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Then I guess it must be a question of expectation.
I've just looked up. BA is using WM2003, isn't it? Well, that explains why it is so fast. I have a very old WM2003 device that feels like a speed demon too. That brings us back to the old debate of whether or not microsoft made the right move by going int persistent memory, which if I ask me now, I'd still prefer the old approach.
Your Universal has been soldered with additional memory, has'nt it? Do you think this is the reason why it is so fast?
If you've used so many units of Athena and found speed problem with every one of them, when nothing has been loaded yet, it probably means you're expecting WM2003 speed on a WM5/WM6 machine. I'm doubtful that going back to WM5 will solve your problem, because from my experience, WM6 does seem faster.
Not sure where this leaves you and not sure how else to help though.
Hi,
I know that and understand your motive and respect that.If u check carefully, BA can b updated to wm6 aku 7.7
Also I hv uni with 128 ram, but 64 also runs quite well.
Can u imagine I am replying to this thread from Opera Running WM 5
Crispy and fast enough..and I feel the differrence.
Anyway I will try oncemore and report back
I still havent found a WM6 device that can surpass the BA in raw speed (also with WM6)
uni gets quite close tho!
Midget_1990 said:
I still havent found a WM6 device that can surpass the BA in raw speed (also with WM6)
uni gets quite close tho!
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In your expert opinion, why is this so? What is special about BA that makes it fly? Does the faster speed also apply to internet surfing too?
3rd day with WM5
-Only one soft reset
-Memory lowers to 70 Mb from 81 MB,use SK tools and rever it again.
-pmsn works great and fster.Skype is also more responsive.
-I think we all here shd give it a try and also research why this is so.Really WM5 wins as far as Athena is concerned.
Guru Try Dopod
hi GURU try dopod wm6
or try aptouch dual Virgin
Hello everyone.
I´m new on this forum, and just purchased a Touch Dual and of course upgrade it with al your wonderful mods here (HardSPL, Niki's project, etc all the nice cooking ).
I´m using SKTools and when benchmarking the device came with some strange values, a bit desappointing even:
Integer: 233.2211
Floating Point: 5.477
RAM Acesss: 751
Draw bitmaps: 740
Main Storage: Write: 1765.52
Main Storage: Read: 3616.24
The RAM Access benchmark in particular seems very low
Any thoughts? Is it only my machine?
No, it's not just your machine. I don't have SKTools to try it myself, but I'm pretty sure we'll get the same score. The Niki isn't really a fast device.. older WM2003 devices even feels a lot faster due to the different RAM. And even some WM5 devices also feels faster (mostly because of the video driver issue. More info at www.htcclassaction.org). But don't be affected by benchmarks too much. They don't really reflect real world performance (that's what I keep telling myself... lol )
Even my Qtek S200 seems smoother at times... But its uglier. (That´s what I keep telling myself too ) Hope the new drivers, when they come out, if they come out, will resolve the issue...
is it safe to overclock a Pocket PC??
i downloaded XCPUScalar 3.03 and i want to know what could happen bad. is it possible to burn the CPU or to die slowly in time??
No problems, just go alittle at a time and test it. If you start having problems then back it down to the last speed that was reliable.
This is a great overclock program, you can find more about it on XDA.
http://www.chi-tai.info/cs_batterystatus_xda_neo_wm5_im_cs.htm
whatever overclocking program u decide to go with make sure it has a handy temp guage! overclocking does have its overheating drawbacks. I have my wiz doin @ 247 and running a nice 87.2 deg F. with heavy usage it can jump to 98-99.? I have ran stable faster, however I know brain cells start frying around 104! so to each his own. have fun
thx for the tip. i will try to find one with temp gauge
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No problems, just go alittle at a time and test it. If you start having problems then back it down to the last speed that was reliable.
This is a great overclock program, you can find more about it on XDA.
http://www.chi-tai.info/cs_batterystatus_xda_neo_wm5_im_cs.htm
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Second vote for plusplus. Lots of features on there as well as CPU scaling. Try it and you'll never look back.
I did try batterystatus plusplus...but there is a problem, the temp gauge and consumption gauge it's not refreshing
there is a refresh option .... u can change the update speed i think it defaults at like 30 sec. so it would look as though no refresh. hope it helps
I just flashed CR86 HD myself and tried using Homescreen++ with it. The touchflo will boot any other today plugins I select, including hs++. I tried using the hs++ task manager as well, but it stops, along with the OC I'd imagine, as soon as touchflo starts.
If I have to choose, I pick hs++.
I've been running @ 260 for over a year now, no problems yet.
I camp a lot so I go the other way. I keep my wizard consistently UNDER clocked as it drastically increases battery life.
Thats why hs++ is so good.
You can use the option to scale bettwen a downclock and a overclock.
so when its necessary your device overclock, but if its in standbye its downgrade the clock.
Doing this you hardly see a incresse of battery drain.
I use my device with batterystatus and now HS++ over then 3 years and i never have any problem.
always use with clock bettewen 143mhz and 273 mhz
hello , i also have a i-mate k-jam , and i want to overclock it . i want a program that chooses automatic the cpu speed between 140-260 for example . what program do you recomend ? i already have the 2.26 rom and wm 6.1 and it's worcking preety good . ( i don't want to change the wm , i want just the over/underclock program) thanks
using HS++ ive had my Wizard overclocked to 276mhz for over 2 years....never had a problem
Hs++ is coooooool! I tried it now and my wizard's performance is fantastic! Yeeeeeee! Im so happy!
Hi to All!
I've Installed HS++ (ver. 1.06.349 build 0349 ) and i have two problems:
1 - For use it, i must disable TouchFLO, can they work together ?? if yes, how can i do this?
2 - in OMAP menù, when i click the "get" button for overclock, the phone freeze.
EDIT:
I've installed SecondToday 0.42, and now i can load TouchFLO and HS++ together (and when i enable overclock it works!!!)
but, i always need SecondToday now? or there are other methods?
(sorry for my bad English )
AT Last: I agree with You, HS++ is Great and also SecondToday is Great
Thank You All!
299MHz
I've overclocked to 299MHz with batterystatus without any problems for at least 2 years. of course battery life is significantly shorter, but i can live with it. i use scaling when on the road to preserve power, but don't see much difference between 195MHz and underclocked to 99MHz. Tried 312MHz, but my wizard used to freeze after some time (few hours usualy)
hey
hey i recently got the qtek 9100 (3 days ago) , this is my 1st windows mobile toy i ever had. i love it , its pretty nice, i just did hard spl, which worked great i can now install whatever i want. i installed home ++ too , and in 1% cpu load it does 96 F. should i be worried? it`s overclocked at 247 mhz. should i turn it off , and just quit overclocking? truth is i love how it moves now, it was a bit lazy befroe overclocking. waitin` for a reply , thanks alot !
I got question : I have wm6.5, installed hs++ and don't know how to get to overclocking menu ? I can't find it ? where it is ? or does it don't work with wm6.5 ?
I loaded DCD 4.1.2 and liked it. I was REALLY excited about the new 6.5 ROM. While I haven't built my own ROMs, My little mogul has been cooked more times than I can think of.
Here are my thoughts on these two ROMs
DCD
Pros:
GREAT memory and management: 26 mgs available at boot:
I can run Audio Manager, Live Search, Netfront browser, and send and receive text....with neither of them closing.
Cons:
See Pros below
Windows 6.5
Pros:
Integrated Touchflow.
IE8 with Flash
It really does seem faster for some things.
Cons:
Terrible memory and management. Even with Manilla NOT loaded, I only have about 19.5 megs at boot up (even with Hibernate). I can only run one program at once (basically).
Conclusion:
I would rather have the memory than IE8.
Thanks for the info. I love DCD roms, but I'm really wondering about this new WM6.5 rom. It would be nice to hear some more comments from others about each. Thanks!
Not so much an opinion as an educated comment...
I think that you are going to find that WM6.5 (and IE8) are just plain designed for devices with more RAM than the Titan's 64MB. It's a hardware limitation that is just going to be difficult to get past. Compare it to running Vista on an older desktop box with only 512MB of RAM... it will work, and look pretty, but it will be very limited. Vista (and WM6.5) were designed around hardware that is unfortunately higher horsepower than older machines like the desktop I used as an example above (in the case of Vista) and the Titan (in the case of WM6.5) have.
It'll be fun to play with (I haven't tried it yet) but expecting it to be a reliable daily driver on the Titan is probably asking a bit much. I found the same thing with Opera 9.5... it is beautiful, and the best mobile browser I have ever seen, but the Titan just can't run it effectively (without the low memory errors).
were getting pretty close on the memory but your right the 6800 got the shaft on the ram dept.
don't know why you have memory issues.. when I build WM6.5 without M2D
I get 25.6MB FREE ram .. without Hibernate..
and even with M2D loaded and 18.8MB free at bootup, I am still able to run
google map, sms\mms and IE plus Activesync running .. with no issues..
also runs my TomTom without any issues.. plus 6.5 runs faster as well overall..
granted as you keep loading more apps if you go to task mng, just by opening
task mng. it close some apps .. if you flip to and from your apps you'll see they
are still running .. well my experience anyways...
I use my phone just like if its a PC .. hell this post if from my phone.. the new IE is damm sweet...
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I loaded DCD 4.1.2 and liked it. I was REALLY excited about the new 6.5 ROM. While I haven't built my own ROMs, My little mogul has been cooked more times than I can think of.
Here are my thoughts on these two ROMs
DCD
Pros:
GREAT memory and management: 26 mgs available at boot:
I can run Audio Manager, Live Search, Netfront browser, and send and receive text....with neither of them closing.
Cons:
See Pros below
Windows 6.5
Pros:
Integrated Touchflow.
IE8 with Flash
It really does seem faster for some things.
Cons:
Terrible memory and management. Even with Manilla NOT loaded, I only have about 19.5 megs at boot up (even with Hibernate). I can only run one program at once (basically).
Conclusion:
I would rather have the memory than IE8.
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It might be better to compare WM 6.5 to Windows 7 instead of Vista.
Running Windows Vista on an old/slow computer is a horribly bad idea. However in beta testing Windows 7 I installed it on a Celeron M laptop with only 1gb of ram and it ran like a dream (without Aero). My boot up and loading times were equal to XP. So if WM 6.5 is designed correctly, it could work just fine on our devices.
The only thing that has me hesitating on 6.5 is that from reading the threads where this was first posted, this a very early release. Since it seems there will be a production version from MSFT floating around within another few weeks, maybe these memory issues will be more manageable, with perhaps some additional features? And no doubt there will be a DCD 6.5 eventually as well, either with this version or a later one.
Serious Props to those that are working hard to get it going now, but I have a feeling there will be better to work with in the near future.
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don't know why you have memory issues.. when I build WM6.5 without M2D I get 25.6MB FREE ram .. without Hibernate..
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What do you mean without hibernate? I guess that might be a noob question sorry. 25.6 would be even better than DCD roms. Wow.
hibernate refers to oxios hibernate which releases memory to help make your phone run faster
sudermatt said:
I loaded DCD 4.1.2 and liked it. I was REALLY excited about the new 6.5 ROM. While I haven't built my own ROMs, My little mogul has been cooked more times than I can think of.
Here are my thoughts on these two ROMs
DCD
Pros:
GREAT memory and management: 26 mgs available at boot:
I can run Audio Manager, Live Search, Netfront browser, and send and receive text....with neither of them closing.
Cons:
See Pros below
Windows 6.5
Pros:
Integrated Touchflow.
IE8 with Flash
It really does seem faster for some things.
Cons:
Terrible memory and management. Even with Manilla NOT loaded, I only have about 19.5 megs at boot up (even with Hibernate). I can only run one program at once (basically).
Conclusion:
I would rather have the memory than IE8.
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WM6.5 beta 4 has great memory management. I have been testing it for 17hrs now and am just blown away by its speed. IE8 is awesome. No more WM6.1, I have moved on, you will too, trust me.
ebb said:
The only thing that has me hesitating on 6.5 is that from reading the threads where this was first posted, this a very early release. Since it seems there will be a production version from MSFT floating around within another few weeks, maybe these memory issues will be more manageable, with perhaps some additional features? And no doubt there will be a DCD 6.5 eventually as well, either with this version or a later one.
Serious Props to those that are working hard to get it going now, but I have a feeling there will be better to work with in the near future.
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the main part of 6.5 is done .. whats left is the interface, the build number
will may go up once the interface is added however there is no memory issues
I know of .. other than the first few beta 1-3 release that has the nueKernel
(a 3rd party programs that cause memory issues .. not the 6.5 kernel !!)
that add was removed from beta-4 and no more issues ..
Also note, after the new interface is added to WM6.5 I believe it will be strip out anyways
at it will be built for VGA or higher PDA's and even if there is a QVGA version
its going to require a ton of memory anyways!! what you will be left with is
whats out now anyways!! thus DCD 6.5 may end up being on this same built!!
vickylife007 said:
WM6.5 beta 4 has great memory management. I have been testing it for 17hrs now and am just blown away by its speed. IE8 is awesome. No more WM6.1, I have moved on, you will too, trust me.
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x2 ..
check this thead http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=477525
Hi guys.
I want to cook a rom for my device because I want to pass from Windows Mobile 6 to Windows Phone 7.
My phone can do this because has High Resolution Touchscreen (WVGA).
But it's Landscape... I don't know if this is a problem (I think no).
How can I cook a W.P. Rom?
Thanks
afaik, you will need to build a bootloader that can load wp7.
and afaik, only the legendary HD2 got wp7 using magldr bootloader (thanks Cotulla!) and toshiba tg01 (thanks Nokser?)
HD2 forums: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=531
TG01 forums: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=572
and btw, there are no open source bootloaders for wp7, so i think it will be almost impossible to do, unless you have supernatural bootloader knowledge. and the device's specs should be similar to wp7 devices (at least cpu qsd8250, like other devices) so that drivers work, else it would become more impossible
Thanks Gilbert32, but I think is possible to use WP 7 on my device.
I have a Toshiba Portege G910 with a 400 mhz cpu and on Youtube I've seen a guy that have inserted Android on a Toshiba G900 (very similar to my device and with the same cpu).
Windows Phone is faster and stable than Android, so it's really possible to port WP on my device.
Mich-C said:
Thanks Gilbert32, but I think is possible to use WP 7 on my device.
I have a Toshiba Portege G910 with a 400 mhz cpu and on Youtube I've seen a guy that have inserted Android on a Toshiba G900 (very similar to my device and with the same cpu).
Windows Phone is faster and stable than Android, so it's really possible to port WP on my device.
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Hours and hours of work, no, that I say months and months of work => imposible !
Thanks hBk0dY
If anyone want to start this project...
Mich-C said:
Windows Phone is faster and stable than Android, so it's really possible to port WP on my device.
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Mich-C said:
I have...G910 with a 400 mhz cpu...
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Even if we forget for a moment about the need to write custom bootloader and your absolutely miserable XIP address space (consists of 2 slots) - your 400 MHz is a pain in ass even for WM 6.5. I know this because I cooked 6.5 for 400 MHz device...... It was not good even when I overclocked CPU to 520.
WP7.x is sometimes lagging even on my wife's Mozart (1000 MHz, Scorpion). So - try to imagine how it can work on your 400 MHz. WP is pretty acceptable on my Titan - fluent and fast. But not less. But ok....
WP on your WM6 device is impossible even after years and years of attempts.
Ok AndrewSh.
But I want to cook a WM 6.5 or 6.5.5 rom for my device.
What do you think about it? I have read that WM 6.5 hasn't devolped well and is even slower than older older WM versions...
Mich-C said:
Ok AndrewSh.
But I want to cook a WM 6.5 or 6.5.5 rom for my device.
What do you think about it? I have read that WM 6.5 hasn't devolped well and is even slower than older older WM versions...
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I have only Asus P525 experience - I mean using WM6.5.x instead of stock WM6.0. So I would say - device will be fully usable if you don't cook in Titanium interface. If you decide to cook in Titanium - overclocking to 520 MHz makes device also usable. But for sure - no way to use Manila or whatever - device starts and works but..... It's just for fun. Besides - you should explore OEMXip - try to find modules that you can move to IMGFS without harm.
Of course - optimized WM6.0 would work faster on your device than 6.5.x.
Probably I will cook a WM 6.1 rom... without touchflo, manila and other programs (if you say me that slow down the device).
I have seen devices 2 with WM 6.5 and customization programs, they are very fast, but they have 528 mhz processors, maybe I will overclocking my device...
You are very good about this things, I can already cook, but how can I cook in my language? No one can help me, here is the thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2262838
IMO, using the HD2 and after trying wp7 and wm6.1->6.5.x, the fastest was 6.1 (without manilla/touchflo), 6.5 even without sense was a bit slow. wp7 is more fluid but definitely slower after installing many programs.
how to cook in your own language... can't help. sorry
Thank you anyway gilbert... (I also think 6.1 is the best )
I hope that other xda members will help me...(especially cooks not-english)
I understand english but italian is my mother language and I want to use it
Cool
Oh no!
I discovered that probably I can not even cook Windows Mobile ROMs for my device. (always the bootloader...)
Here is the thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2342595