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I tried hard to keep up with wm6, tried hard , all possible tweaks.So finally the other day, I thought of going back to WM5 and really it is much much stable, no soft resets, no hangups.Hard to get used to the wm5 interface as compared to the glossy wm6, but performance is what I desire, and now my apps open in seconds, memory leaks are minimal, audio in BT also goes well.
I really wonder, why WM is not fully compatible with Athena.All other devices it works like a charm, why not in Athena.
I think wm6 is quicker and more stable than wm5. I reset more often in the past.
Which wm6 ROM were you running? What applications were you using? It may be one or two applications giving you the problem.
Not much apps, I like to stick with the given apps.Use Windows Live, builtin Opera, sometimes may b NetFront, I do not play games, Skype, I use.That's it.
If u compare the speed of execution of these programms with other devices running wm6 such as Universal,Hermes, Kaiser, Blue Angel, and if we have the fastest processor 624 Mhz, it shd surpass the programe execution time.
WM6 I hv observed that, initially, it works well, but as the use goes on , it tends to slow down, and even it takes a lot of time to make a phone call, after I press "Talk".
I get 150 calls a day on an average fews Texts, few emails, 24 hrs connected to GPRS or Wi Fi whichever is available.
It is a suprise that Blue Angel reacts faster than athena to similar apps, and execution is very good and fast in devices like Hermes,Kaiser, Universal....all Running WM6, either official or cooked ones.
I really fail to understand, why such a thing with Athena.
Where do you install applications?
What does the sktools performance benchmark tells you about your card and MD.
How did you format your drives?
Do you regularly clear up the cache in opera?
How large is your contact database?
Sorry this seems like a so many questions, but there must be a cause of your problem which is not related to wm6. I say that because I've far far more applications than you, all running okay. I do avoid certain applications. Examples include the latest version of ilauncher.
No problems to me with your questions.Once I had decided to us a Virgin wm6..as it is, no apps, still the problem persists.You won't believe, but I wud have changed 5 Athenas so far..but the problem with the speed persists.
My contatcs data base is quite small, opera cache is by dafault is 2 mb, so it gets cleared whatever is more than 2 MB.
If same I use in the other devices as mentioned, I do not face any problems, so far BA and Univeresal has been the best performances, Hermes and Kaiser follow...and Athena is my primary phone, I do not use any other or second phone.
hdubli said:
No problems to me with your questions.Once I had decided to us a Virgin wm6..as it is, no apps, still the problem persists.You won't believe, but I wud have changed 5 Athenas so far..but the problem with the speed persists.
My contatcs data base is quite small, opera cache is by dafault is 2 mb, so it gets cleared whatever is more than 2 MB.
If same I use in the other devices as mentioned, I do not face any problems, so far BA and Univeresal has been the best performances, Hermes and Kaiser follow...and Athena is my primary phone, I do not use any other or second phone.
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Then I guess it must be a question of expectation.
I've just looked up. BA is using WM2003, isn't it? Well, that explains why it is so fast. I have a very old WM2003 device that feels like a speed demon too. That brings us back to the old debate of whether or not microsoft made the right move by going int persistent memory, which if I ask me now, I'd still prefer the old approach.
Your Universal has been soldered with additional memory, has'nt it? Do you think this is the reason why it is so fast?
If you've used so many units of Athena and found speed problem with every one of them, when nothing has been loaded yet, it probably means you're expecting WM2003 speed on a WM5/WM6 machine. I'm doubtful that going back to WM5 will solve your problem, because from my experience, WM6 does seem faster.
Not sure where this leaves you and not sure how else to help though.
Hi,
I know that and understand your motive and respect that.If u check carefully, BA can b updated to wm6 aku 7.7
Also I hv uni with 128 ram, but 64 also runs quite well.
Can u imagine I am replying to this thread from Opera Running WM 5
Crispy and fast enough..and I feel the differrence.
Anyway I will try oncemore and report back
I still havent found a WM6 device that can surpass the BA in raw speed (also with WM6)
uni gets quite close tho!
Midget_1990 said:
I still havent found a WM6 device that can surpass the BA in raw speed (also with WM6)
uni gets quite close tho!
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In your expert opinion, why is this so? What is special about BA that makes it fly? Does the faster speed also apply to internet surfing too?
3rd day with WM5
-Only one soft reset
-Memory lowers to 70 Mb from 81 MB,use SK tools and rever it again.
-pmsn works great and fster.Skype is also more responsive.
-I think we all here shd give it a try and also research why this is so.Really WM5 wins as far as Athena is concerned.
Guru Try Dopod
hi GURU try dopod wm6
or try aptouch dual Virgin
Saw this on ppcgeeks, I was wondering what xda users' speeds were (rev a or not) on their titan...
www.dslreports.com/mspeed (1mb test)
1603k
opera mini
rev a. update
titan, sprint leaked rom
chicago (NW suburbs)
anywhere from 200k to 1200k
in ie
but, i can't seem to run the test again through opera mini, says to fast/unstable, do i need to clear some cache from opera? so many of these tests seem so off, like running from ie vs opera..
can anyone recommend good websites for testing from the phone (non flash) for accurate results?
I did the 1 meg test for the dcd's titan rom 2.0.0 on my Verizon Titan w/Rev A 3.27.00 Radio ROM
911 kbit/sec - 985 kbit/sec
0.293s to 0.198s latency
9.228s to 8.445s d/l time
I am getting 900k or better on a regular basis, same test site. I cant use speedtest.net for whatever reason cause the phone wont load properly.
If anyone is using other speed test sites, let me know.
I get 200 to 900 on Alltell in Springfield Missouri on the stock ROM. My results are all over the board. It bounces up and down plus or minus 300 kbits from one second to the next in the same physical spot. I check it often since it was my reason for switching to Alltel. It seems strange that it supposedly fluctuates so greatly from one second to the next as Im standing still.
Harrisburg, PA
First Run
837kbit/sec
0.837s latency
10.401s download time
Second Run
874bikt/sec
0.994s latency
10.014s download time
I'm getting around 900k, but those damned lacked of video drivers really kill the fun of EVDO when trying to use web browsers.
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I'm getting around 900k, but those damned lacked of video drivers really kill the fun of EVDO when trying to use web browsers.
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I don't know too much about the lack of drivers; but what does the lack of drivers do to hinder the phone / web browsing?
On Telus, using Opera in my building with ****ty reception, 1039 kbit/sec.
0.329s latency
8.129s d/l time.
That is on a1jatt's custom Telus rom on the latest radio 3.27.00
Wow, a restest shows:
1996 kbit/sec.
0.22 latency
4.323s d/l time.
I'm in Ottawa, Ontario.
800-1100kbps
I used the mspeed a couple times but I prefer speakeasy.
http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
You'll need flash
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer_pocketpc/downloads/player.html
I cant BELIEVE I had forgotten about reinstalling Flash7
thx
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I don't know too much about the lack of drivers; but what does the lack of drivers do to hinder the phone / web browsing?
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Puts a lot of stress on the CPU to have to both load and render the pages. You see the same effect on a PC if you have no video drivers installed.
There's a non-Java test at www.mobilespeedtest.com. With ROM version 2.09 and only PIE running, I got top EVDO speeds around 955kbps when testing five times in a row, with an average of about 865k when throwing out the one-time 245k result.
i'm in greensboro NC highest i've got around here is 12xx something
I don't know if all of you are facing the same problem. I am using a Dopod 818 PRO upgraded to WM 6.1 (Green Edition 15.4.08 Update) currently but I have tried almost every other WM 6.1 ROM out there, all seem to be giving me the same problem.
When I start typing a message, it stores commonly used sentences, words etc fast and with ease but I notice once the T9 dictionary becomes larger in size(more words in it), the response starts becoming slower and does not take in input as fast as its initial one.
This problem can be overcomed once I enter the Input properties and "Clear Stored Entries" but then it starts from scratch without any user defined words in it.
Any suggestions other than disabling the suggested words option? It's really handy and I like it very much but the only annoyance is that I type fast and the lag is kinda irritating. Thanks!
Actually that is the same case for me.. And since i type pretty fast with PhonePad, the slow speed has forced me to go back to WM6.. And i have also tried almost every wm6.1 rom out there!
Its not much slower in WM6.1 than WM6, but its noticeable especially if you type fast..
yeah.. oh well =( we'd just have to wait for some genius here to figure something out.
Cheers
blame your prophet's weak 200mhz TI-OMAP processor..
thats the problem..
thats why i prefer using keyboard than phonepad
blame your prophet's weak 200mhz TI-OMAP processor..
thats the problem..
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Two points: one, it's clocked at 195 in the Prophet; two, the same software works fine on newer HTC Devices (the HTC Touch uses the same OMAP 850 but clocked at 201MHz).
Which leads me to believe it is to do with the specific exes/dlls, and where they have been ported from.
registry error?
i think this caused it
So only option now is to downgrade to WM6?
But I have no heart to do so! 6.1 is wayyy better in almost every way
had the same problem what i did and helped a lot was disabling the key sounds
then it came fast again.... hope this help
thanks.. will try it =)
I loaded DCD 4.1.2 and liked it. I was REALLY excited about the new 6.5 ROM. While I haven't built my own ROMs, My little mogul has been cooked more times than I can think of.
Here are my thoughts on these two ROMs
DCD
Pros:
GREAT memory and management: 26 mgs available at boot:
I can run Audio Manager, Live Search, Netfront browser, and send and receive text....with neither of them closing.
Cons:
See Pros below
Windows 6.5
Pros:
Integrated Touchflow.
IE8 with Flash
It really does seem faster for some things.
Cons:
Terrible memory and management. Even with Manilla NOT loaded, I only have about 19.5 megs at boot up (even with Hibernate). I can only run one program at once (basically).
Conclusion:
I would rather have the memory than IE8.
Thanks for the info. I love DCD roms, but I'm really wondering about this new WM6.5 rom. It would be nice to hear some more comments from others about each. Thanks!
Not so much an opinion as an educated comment...
I think that you are going to find that WM6.5 (and IE8) are just plain designed for devices with more RAM than the Titan's 64MB. It's a hardware limitation that is just going to be difficult to get past. Compare it to running Vista on an older desktop box with only 512MB of RAM... it will work, and look pretty, but it will be very limited. Vista (and WM6.5) were designed around hardware that is unfortunately higher horsepower than older machines like the desktop I used as an example above (in the case of Vista) and the Titan (in the case of WM6.5) have.
It'll be fun to play with (I haven't tried it yet) but expecting it to be a reliable daily driver on the Titan is probably asking a bit much. I found the same thing with Opera 9.5... it is beautiful, and the best mobile browser I have ever seen, but the Titan just can't run it effectively (without the low memory errors).
were getting pretty close on the memory but your right the 6800 got the shaft on the ram dept.
don't know why you have memory issues.. when I build WM6.5 without M2D
I get 25.6MB FREE ram .. without Hibernate..
and even with M2D loaded and 18.8MB free at bootup, I am still able to run
google map, sms\mms and IE plus Activesync running .. with no issues..
also runs my TomTom without any issues.. plus 6.5 runs faster as well overall..
granted as you keep loading more apps if you go to task mng, just by opening
task mng. it close some apps .. if you flip to and from your apps you'll see they
are still running .. well my experience anyways...
I use my phone just like if its a PC .. hell this post if from my phone.. the new IE is damm sweet...
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I loaded DCD 4.1.2 and liked it. I was REALLY excited about the new 6.5 ROM. While I haven't built my own ROMs, My little mogul has been cooked more times than I can think of.
Here are my thoughts on these two ROMs
DCD
Pros:
GREAT memory and management: 26 mgs available at boot:
I can run Audio Manager, Live Search, Netfront browser, and send and receive text....with neither of them closing.
Cons:
See Pros below
Windows 6.5
Pros:
Integrated Touchflow.
IE8 with Flash
It really does seem faster for some things.
Cons:
Terrible memory and management. Even with Manilla NOT loaded, I only have about 19.5 megs at boot up (even with Hibernate). I can only run one program at once (basically).
Conclusion:
I would rather have the memory than IE8.
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It might be better to compare WM 6.5 to Windows 7 instead of Vista.
Running Windows Vista on an old/slow computer is a horribly bad idea. However in beta testing Windows 7 I installed it on a Celeron M laptop with only 1gb of ram and it ran like a dream (without Aero). My boot up and loading times were equal to XP. So if WM 6.5 is designed correctly, it could work just fine on our devices.
The only thing that has me hesitating on 6.5 is that from reading the threads where this was first posted, this a very early release. Since it seems there will be a production version from MSFT floating around within another few weeks, maybe these memory issues will be more manageable, with perhaps some additional features? And no doubt there will be a DCD 6.5 eventually as well, either with this version or a later one.
Serious Props to those that are working hard to get it going now, but I have a feeling there will be better to work with in the near future.
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don't know why you have memory issues.. when I build WM6.5 without M2D I get 25.6MB FREE ram .. without Hibernate..
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What do you mean without hibernate? I guess that might be a noob question sorry. 25.6 would be even better than DCD roms. Wow.
hibernate refers to oxios hibernate which releases memory to help make your phone run faster
sudermatt said:
I loaded DCD 4.1.2 and liked it. I was REALLY excited about the new 6.5 ROM. While I haven't built my own ROMs, My little mogul has been cooked more times than I can think of.
Here are my thoughts on these two ROMs
DCD
Pros:
GREAT memory and management: 26 mgs available at boot:
I can run Audio Manager, Live Search, Netfront browser, and send and receive text....with neither of them closing.
Cons:
See Pros below
Windows 6.5
Pros:
Integrated Touchflow.
IE8 with Flash
It really does seem faster for some things.
Cons:
Terrible memory and management. Even with Manilla NOT loaded, I only have about 19.5 megs at boot up (even with Hibernate). I can only run one program at once (basically).
Conclusion:
I would rather have the memory than IE8.
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WM6.5 beta 4 has great memory management. I have been testing it for 17hrs now and am just blown away by its speed. IE8 is awesome. No more WM6.1, I have moved on, you will too, trust me.
ebb said:
The only thing that has me hesitating on 6.5 is that from reading the threads where this was first posted, this a very early release. Since it seems there will be a production version from MSFT floating around within another few weeks, maybe these memory issues will be more manageable, with perhaps some additional features? And no doubt there will be a DCD 6.5 eventually as well, either with this version or a later one.
Serious Props to those that are working hard to get it going now, but I have a feeling there will be better to work with in the near future.
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the main part of 6.5 is done .. whats left is the interface, the build number
will may go up once the interface is added however there is no memory issues
I know of .. other than the first few beta 1-3 release that has the nueKernel
(a 3rd party programs that cause memory issues .. not the 6.5 kernel !!)
that add was removed from beta-4 and no more issues ..
Also note, after the new interface is added to WM6.5 I believe it will be strip out anyways
at it will be built for VGA or higher PDA's and even if there is a QVGA version
its going to require a ton of memory anyways!! what you will be left with is
whats out now anyways!! thus DCD 6.5 may end up being on this same built!!
vickylife007 said:
WM6.5 beta 4 has great memory management. I have been testing it for 17hrs now and am just blown away by its speed. IE8 is awesome. No more WM6.1, I have moved on, you will too, trust me.
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x2 ..
check this thead http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=477525
Hi, I am looking to try a gingergread rom, but there are many out there and everyone seems to have its thing..
I care about 2 things mostly, battery life and GPS. I use my gps a lot and therefore battery.. mine now, with froyo nextgen 2, gps is superfast and accurate.
Battery easily last me 20-30 hours, mostly using 2g, I don't need more for mail and maps..
Wich rom do you think I should use?
The two things you care about most are the two things that are the biggest problems. That being said, I like Simply Stock JVT.
Sent from my GT-I9000
If you need GPS, then you should stay with Froyo. GPS on GB is not that good. If you really want to have GB with good GPS, like I do, then buy yourself an external bluetooth receiver, and use it with Bluetooth GPS Provider app, which you can download it for free from Market.
I am using Nofrills AOPS GB ROM (JVS). It is really fast and smooth. Of course there are still a few issues: Wifi doesn't work, video capture is crappy, and a few more ... But I can live with this ROM for the time being, until things get improved.
Just my opinion, hope it helps.