okay, so i've heard everyone having very good luck w/ gps on dcd's 3.1.2 rom and radio 3.39.10, with satellite locks as quick as ~20-30 seconds. Mine take a very long time, sometimes in excess of 10 minutes. Here's what I have going on:
dcd's 3.1.2 rom
radio 3.39.10
gps settings: program: com4, hardware: none, baud rate: 4800, manage gps automatically
location service setting: on
[HKLM\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS] GPSMode:4 (0X000004)
QuickGPS installed
Google Maps Mobile installed
Gps Viewer installed
I open Gps Viewer and set it to COM4: and click Open GPS, and it takes at minimum 10 minutes to lock onto even 3 satellites and get a date and time and lat/long, and any other status. Something can't be right here.
I used to have dcd's 3.0.4 rom and never had a problem getting a gps lock.
Any ideas on what to check?
okay, so i've heard everyone having very good luck w/ gps on dcd's 3.1.2 rom and radio 3.39.10, with satellite locks as quick as ~20-30 seconds. Mine take a very long time, sometimes in excess of 10 minutes. Here's what I have going on:
dcd's 3.1.2 rom
radio 3.39.10
gps settings: program: com4, hardware: none, baud rate: 4800, manage gps automatically
location service setting: on
[HKLM\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS] GPSMode:4 (0X000004)
QuickGPS installed
Google Maps Mobile installed
Gps Viewer installed
I open Gps Viewer and set it to COM4: and click Open GPS, and it takes at minimum 10 minutes to lock onto even 3 satellites and get a date and time and lat/long, and any other status. Something can't be right here.
I used to have dcd's 3.0.4 rom and never had a problem getting a gps lock.
Any ideas on what to check?
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Let me guess, you have Verizon. If I had a nickel for every post about GPS on Verizon I could buy Verizon and implement a PDE agps server.
gc14 said:
Let me guess, you have Verizon. If I had a nickel for every post about GPS on Verizon I could buy Verizon and implement a PDE agps server.
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isnt 10 minutes still too high for vzw? i thought you could lock in 30sec?
isnt 10 minutes still too high for vzw? i thought you could lock in 30sec?
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Could take up to 10 minutes for first lock depending on weather conditions, location of satellites, view of sky etc. Once it gets an initial lock, it'll lock in 10-30 seconds.
Though he could have Sprint, in that case a fresh PRI update would make him pretty happy, but I'd be willing to bet he's on Verizon.
gc14 said:
Could take up to 10 minutes for first lock depending on weather conditions, location of satellites, view of sky etc. Once it gets an initial lock, it'll lock in 10-30 seconds.
Though he could have Sprint, in that case a fresh PRI update would make him pretty happy, but I'd be willing to bet he's on Verizon.
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So this brings up the point that if Sprints solution is PRI update, what is the alternative for Verizon? I don't think *22802 is going give the same improvement, any options here?
So this brings up the point that if Sprints solution is PRI update, what is the alternative for Verizon? I don't think *22802 is going give the same improvement, any options here?
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Guys, at the moment there IS no solution for Verizon. Verizon does not provide info to their PDE aGPS server. We don't even know if they USE a PDE aGPS server. The ONLY reason Sprint Moguls can lock so fast is because of aGPS and that alone. If Sprint didn't have a PDE server, they would be seeing the exact same lock times as Verizon.
This is why I've been going on and on and on about why we need an official software update from Verizon. That way we can analyze it and try to extract aGPS server info from it.
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Guys, at the moment there IS no solution for Verizon. Verizon does not provide info to their PDE aGPS server. We don't even know if they USE a PDE aGPS server. The ONLY reason Sprint Moguls can lock so fast is because of aGPS and that alone. If Sprint didn't have a PDE server, they would be seeing the exact same lock times as Verizon.
This is why I've been going on and on and on about why we need an official software update from Verizon. That way we can analyze it and try to extract aGPS server info from it.
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well in adition to the agps server info, i think the sprint PRI may change a couple other gps-related values, but that can be done manually to an xv6800. thats what im working on proving right now.
shapiror06 said:
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[HKLM\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS] GPSMode:4 (0X000004)
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whats this registry edit for? i've never seen that documented anywhere
I'm on Verizon...
Sometimes I get a GPS lock within 10 seconds.
Sometimes I get a GPS lock after 2-3 minutes.
Seomtimes I fail to get a GPS lock.
My conclusion: Verizon is just screwy.
I'm on Verizon...
Sometimes I get a GPS lock within 10 seconds.
Sometimes I get a GPS lock after 2-3 minutes.
Seomtimes I fail to get a GPS lock.
My conclusion: Verizon is just screwy.
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We're working on something....stay tuned.
[HKLM\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS] GPSMode:4 (0X000004)
anyone know what this is about?
[HKLM\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS] GPSMode:4 (0X000004)
anyone know what this is about?
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Search. There's tons of posts in several threads about it.
searching only came up with posts in this thread. do you mind posting a link?
EDIT: nevermind
kflipproductions said:
searching only came up with posts in this thread. do you mind posting a link?
EDIT: nevermind
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i know you said nevermind, but for reference:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=18345&highlight=gpsmode
btw, I am on Verizon, and my biggest issue is that with dcd's 3.0.4 i had no issues, gps linked in a matter of seconds, no more than 30 on a cloudy, even rainy day. now it takes forever with 3.1.2. granted, today i locked on 7 satellites at once, but it took a good 15-20 minutes. any help you can give me, dcd and other senior members, is greatly appreciated!
ps - i'm starting a new job that is going to be a sales job that is completely on my own, and gps would help me out sooo much since i'll be driving all over ohio!
oh, and we have had beautiful weather here lately, so clear skies and obstructions are not an issue at all.
when i do get a lock, it's pretty damn accurate.
im on VZ, and inside 10-15 foot thick cement/steel roofing, and it takes me about 45 seconds to get a lock. outside is around 10-30 seconds. i doont know what else to tell you, except try it out on a CLEAN DCD ROM.
Also not getting any GPS lock. Let it set for over 45min and nada.
I can't find GPSView anywhere... But I found something else that was similar I think.
However, it finds the GPS... But it just sits there. Spewing 'no' data, as if it can't find any sats at all. Changed the reg key to all the values--nothing.
Not looking for a solution, just letting you know I am part of the "Don't work" statistic.
30 second lock
I am on Verizon in Maine and consistently get a 30 second lock using Google Maps with the phone near a window in the office.
Vets...wow I am a newbie here and let me ask a question and then step out the way to keep reading...
I am a Senior Technician and have this new VZW HTC6800 for about 2-wks now. GPS is nice and I have NO (NADA) no need for it but having it would be just a nice options. So ignoring the fact that I really do not need to have gps....
What benefits would I have just updating to the rom over the current device? Put it like this when I install WinXP I tweak all the settings to get the most out and remove unneeded MS stuff out. As a tech I want the most performance without all the mess that slows it down. Seeing that I am this type of person/tech would changing the rom for this fact be good or just stay where I am with the current device settings? My main usage on the phone is the:
1. Voice dial call (a must since I drive a lot!!!)
2. Phone function of course
3. HTC Home Customizer to have all my features close
4. Sometimes, a need to open Word, Excel, pdf files
So again with what I do...again...would changing the rom for this fact be good or just stay where I am with the current device settings?
Side note: any links to new rom & steps to install?
Related
Hey all. Here's my config:
DCD 3.2.6
Radio 3.42.50
PRL 51056
PRI 1.35_002
I've also applied all of the QPST changes per gc14 with the PDE IPs, settings, etc. I've also verified that my default reg values are correct.
So I can now lock GPS outside within 2 minutes or so after applying all the patches. I do use GPS Viewer to prime, but am seeing a strange thing in all GPS progs now. GPS Viewer as well as iGO8 will flash 10 gps signals for 1 second every 5 seconds, then the signals will disappear, repeating this forever. I assume these are aGPS signals but i'm never getting a "lock" inside, only outside, even though my cell signal is fine inside. Anyone seen this problem, or have any idea what i should check next?
Thanks,
F
Cambridge, MA
Does the "GPS" section of FieldTest.exe show pilot phase/strength/time offsets? These refer to pilot PN offsets (i.e. tower sectors), as far as my understanding goes. If you are using standalone GPS, my suspicion is that you won't see any data here, however, not having the capability to do standalone GPS on my device just yet, I can't be entirely certain.
Worth a look, though.
Me too
fvultee said:
Hey all. Here's my config:
DCD 3.2.6
Radio 3.42.50
PRL 51056
PRI 1.35_002
I've also applied all of the QPST changes per gc14 with the PDE IPs, settings, etc. I've also verified that my default reg values are correct.
So I can now lock GPS outside within 2 minutes or so after applying all the patches. I do use GPS Viewer to prime, but am seeing a strange thing in all GPS progs now. GPS Viewer as well as iGO8 will flash 10 gps signals for 1 second every 5 seconds, then the signals will disappear, repeating this forever. I assume these are aGPS signals but i'm never getting a "lock" inside, only outside, even though my cell signal is fine inside. Anyone seen this problem, or have any idea what i should check next?
Thanks,
F
Cambridge, MA
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Yup, I have noticed this as well. Happens to me regardless of Radio, PRI, or ROM. I see it a lot with HTC GPS tool. Dont know what it means but I eventually get a lock. I think VZW still sucks and the PDE servers are not as good as Sprint maybe? Im not seeing the "5 seconds locks" everyone else is. I am however getting very fast locks, maybe 20 to 30 seconds. Nothing more than that though. On occasion I still fail to lock but far far less than I used to without the PDE infomration. I dont know what it is but I can confirm what you are seeing.
Radio .40
DCD 3.2.6
PRL 2
OliPro 2.4
My Fieldtest doesn't have a GPS Group, so no info there. Any other ideas?
Sorry, it's FieldTrial.exe and not FieldTest.exe.
At least with the MR1 ROM, there's a Debug Info menu where you can select GPS to dump GPS debugging information.
When using AGPS on my device with VZ Navigator, this is updated with tower information. I don't have a device that uses standalone GPS, nor a device with a different ROM other than the MR1 ROM, so I can't really speak for that unfortunately.
I'm not completely certain that you won't see the PN-related fields filled in using standalone GPS mode. However, from my work at hacking on the V740 some time ago, I suspect that pilot phase values are going to be related to cell triangulation (time offset of the signal from the cell towers being used for triangulation against the current CDMA time when the signal was received by your device, i.e. propagation delay).
Skywing said:
Sorry, it's FieldTrial.exe and not FieldTest.exe.
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Hmm, maybe we are getting somewhere, but I dunno since I have never used FieldTrial.exe before. I just fired it up and the entire GPS tab shows N/A for EVERY field. Does anyone else see that with a working GPS?
fvultee said:
Hmm, maybe we are getting somewhere, but I dunno since I have never used FieldTrial.exe before. I just fired it up and the entire GPS tab shows N/A for EVERY field. Does anyone else see that with a working GPS?
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Okay, I think that you're operating in standalone GPS mode.
Rationale:
With my device (on MR1), when I access the GPS through the custom interface that LBSDriver.dll uses (i.e. via VZ Navigator), I'll start to get data in FieldTrial.exe (on a fresh boot, all the fields are N/A). Of course, the latitude/longitude are garbage (having not been through the decryption logic) as shown in FieldTrial.exe for me, but the rest of the fields (e.g. altitude and GPS time, as well as cell tower triangulation data) show valid data.
To me, this indicates that FieldTrial.exe is just pulling AGPS-related data and not standalone data.
Can you try disabling the phone radio entirely (via Connection Manager or whatever the app is in your firmware) and see if that changes the lock speed at all? If not, that's further credence that you're not using assisted GPS. (Caveat emptor: I don't know if disabling the radio will also turn off standalone GPS, as I don't have any way to check that. It should be pretty immediately obvious to you if it does, though.)
Please post all discussion/issues/comments regarding Bell Mobility GPS/aGPS in this thread.
aGPS locking up
I'm running Bell, dcd 3.2.5, radio 3.42.50 with aGPS working just fine, for a while. After a couple of times of turning the screen off (Power button), or standby, or whatever you call that mode...TomTom 7.450 (and GPStoday and Intelligolf all latest versions) stop locking via aGPS. Normally I get locks in 5-10 seconds with all these programs but afterwards I get nothing. TomTom shows satellites but won't lock on to any of them.
Please ask me questions if I missed anything. Any ideas?
I used to have the same issue. I upgraded to dcd 3.2.6. Still with radio 3.42.50. I also did the aGPS setting enable per another thread. Since then, I no longer have that problem. I get quick satellite fixes for days on end without the need to soft reset.
Power mangement
Hi all,
easy fix, I had the same issue. It is the power management. Once you put your phone to stand by the GPS will not come back up unless you use Quick GPS (don't know why but it bring is out of standby) or you can do the following regedit.
In the regestry I found these settings for power management.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\Interfaces]
"{EB91C7C9-8BF6-4a2d-9AB8-69724EED97D1}"="Power-manageable display"
"{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}"="Power-manageable NDIS miniports"
"{8DD679CE-8AB4-43c8-A14A-EA4963FAA715}"="Power-manageable block devices"
"{A32942B7-920C-486b-B0E6-92A702A99B35}"="Generic power-manageable devices"
Each one of the {} strings are an IClass for other device including the GPS. The one found in the GPS was this "{A32942B7-920C-486b-B0E6-92A702A99B35}. When I deleted the IClass string out of the following keys, you are now able to put your phone to standby and the GPS will keep running.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID]
"IClass"="{A32942B7-920C-486b-B0E6-92A702A99B35}"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\SerialGPS]
"IClass"="{A32942B7-920C-486b-B0E6-92A702A99B35}"
Thanks for the info guys! I'll try deleting the registry items first and see what happens.
AGPS and Data usage
Hi, I am hoping someone can answer this for me, does AGPS use data, is it costing me money to use it? I have read many posts and still I am confused. I am using dcd rom 3.2.6, radio 3.42.50 PRI 2.02_007. Thanks
I noticed a significant decrease in lock times after going to PRI 2.02_007, FWIW.
incenseguru said:
Hi, I am hoping someone can answer this for me, does AGPS use data, is it costing me money to use it?
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Yes, by default the assisted mode will request to transfer small amounts of data (download satellite ephemeris data) over the network everytime the GPS is initiated and when satellite coverage is obscurred (location determination from a IP defined assistance server).
I have confirmed this with my online data summary with Telus.
Thanks for the for the help.
CarmeloR said:
When I deleted the IClass string out of the following keys, you are now able to put your phone to standby and the GPS will keep running.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID]
"IClass"="{A32942B7-920C-486b-B0E6-92A702A99B35}"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\SerialGPS]
"IClass"="{A32942B7-920C-486b-B0E6-92A702A99B35}"
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Thank you! This works perfectly.
ande8150 said:
I noticed a significant decrease in lock times after going to PRI 2.02_007, FWIW.
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What kind of lock times are you seeing? I'm seeing 10-15 seconds. I'm fine with that.
88fingerslukee said:
What kind of lock times are you seeing? I'm seeing 10-15 seconds. I'm fine with that.
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About 10 seconds. It was way longer before. Sometimes a few mintues.
I'm running DCD 3.2.6 with radio 3.42.50 and PRI 1.34_007. I have ridiculous lock times most of the time. I don't use QuickGPS or anything else other than Google Maps. I've waited minutes sometimes to get a lock. I live in Milton, ON, and use GPS typcially anywhere in that area and the GTA (Toronto) area. I don't use GPS all that often and perhaps that's why is slow to lock each time I try and use it?
Regarding the PRI comment made earlier in this thread. I'm curious how you upgrade your PRI? I've tried the "Update PRI" icon in Settings | Connections, and although it reboots after doing something it's always the same rev afterwards. It also returns an error after it tries to update and prior to the reboot -"backup EFS failed" in a window with a window title of "PPST". Tap okay to that window and the phone soft reboots and nothing has changed.
I also could not update PRI using the icon provided by DCD. He provided the attached cab version in another post. You will have to install it on your device, then run /windows/ppst.exe
Also, be sure to do the GPS fix found at this link:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TitanGpsFix
These 2 things should fix your lock times.
ande8150 said:
I also could not update PRI using the icon provided by DCD. He provided the attached cab version in another post. You will have to install it on your device, then run /windows/ppst.exe
Also, be sure to do the GPS fix found at this link:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TitanGpsFix
These 2 things should fix your lock times.
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I concur, these are the same steps I followed to get aGPS working.
ande8150 said:
I also could not update PRI using the icon provided by DCD. He provided the attached cab version in another post. You will have to install it on your device, then run /windows/ppst.exe
Also, be sure to do the GPS fix found at this link:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TitanGpsFix
These 2 things should fix your lock times.
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S-W-E-E-E-E-T! Performed both steps, and got my first lock in about 20 seconds. I'll test it over the next few days in different areas to see if this is now the norm. Many thanks for the info.
No problem. Enjoy!
I am running DCD 4.1.2 and Radio 3.42.40... Of course I am will Bell...lol
My GPS Radio got signal ONCE and never has sice. Do I need to perform the two mentioned steps above?
The Carrier CAB install.
The QPST Modifcations/Fix.
Let me know!
mcfz said:
I am running DCD 4.1.2 and Radio 3.42.40... Of course I am will Bell...lol
My GPS Radio got signal ONCE and never has sice. Do I need to perform the two mentioned steps above?
The Carrier CAB install.
The QPST Modifcations/Fix.
Let me know!
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Definitely install the carrier cab file (are you getting data right now?) and perform the GPS fix. Beware of the PRI update as I have had issues with PRI 2.02_007.
88fingerslukee said:
Definitely install the carrier cab file (are you getting data right now?) and perform the GPS fix. Beware of the PRI update as I have had issues with PRI 2.02_007.
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Right now the phone isnt doing squat. I think I am going to downgrade my DCD a lower version then run the carrier cab and GPS fix...
I will do it up and post if I need help
I hope someone can shed some light on this.
I have follow all the instruction that I could find to setup the aGPS on this phone.
The problem is, some time it only take about 10 to 20 seconds to lock on the satellite. Some time it takes a long time like 10 to 15 minutes, and sometime never.
I would like to get to the end of this. I have cooked and uses DCD's Rom, none of which makes any difference.
I must have flashed this phone for over 20 times and ech time with the same results.
It would work mostly in the day time (afternoon) but not at night or early AM.
Hope someone would be able to point me to the right direction.
Thanks in advance.
Update 10/17/08
Here is what I have done wrong. I have remove/delete my data connection from the phone .
"Wifi will not work with the PDE Server. It will prevent the agps data from being downloaded if it is on."
"This requires a data connection. It will use 100 bytes (1/10 of 1Kilobyte) when accessing the PDE servers."
Update! This Works without connecting to data!
Go to your Comm Manager, switch to Flight Mode, switch back to Phone mode, launch your GPS program.
Works every time for me so far. I have tried TomTom and Garmin so far.
tssi said:
I hope someone can shed some light on this.
I have follow all the instruction that I could find to setup the aGPS on this phone.
The problem is, some time it only take about 10 to 20 seconds to lock on the satellite. Some time it takes a long time like 10 to 15 minutes, and sometime never.
I would like to get to the end of this. I have cooked and uses DCD's Rom, none of which makes any difference.
I must have flashed this phone for over 20 times and ech time with the same results.
It would work mostly in the day time (afternoon) but not at night or early AM.
Hope someone would be able to point me to the right direction.
Thanks in advance.
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We need specifics such as Radio Version, carrier, ROM version, SPL version, etc. Post all of this and whatever steps you took in the order you took them and we will be better suited to help you.
Thanks and good luck!
scrosler said:
We need specifics such as Radio Version, carrier, ROM version, SPL version, etc. Post all of this and whatever steps you took in the order you took them and we will be better suited to help you.
Thanks and good luck!
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Carrier: Telus
Radio: 3.42.50
Rom: 3.57
SPL: 2.47
PRI Version: 2.03_003
tssi said:
Carrier: Telus
Radio: 3.42.50
Rom: 3.57
SPL: 2.7
PRI Version: 2.03_003
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Thanks.
Now what have you DONE? Have you applied the TITAN aGPS fix found in the WIKI (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=VerizonAGPSFix) ? You will need to find the Telus aGPS settings but the entire first portion is relevant. Try that and let us know then what happens. Also, make sure your location in "Phone Settings" is set to on. BTW, why a custom ROM when Telus has a pretty solid GPS rom out?
I also BELIEVE this is the correct IP and Port for Telus. I found it at this link from PPCGEEKS... (http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=36377&highlight=Bell+aGPS)
PDE IP Address = 216.198.139.92
PDE Port Number = 8889
PDE Transport = IP
Position Calculation = mobile
scrosler said:
Thanks.
Now what have you DONE? Have you applied the TITAN aGPS fix found in the WIKI (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=VerizonAGPSFix) ? You will need to find the Telus aGPS settings but the entire first portion is relevant. Try that and let us know then what happens. Also, make sure your location in "Phone Settings" is set to on. BTW, why a custom ROM when Telus has a pretty solid GPS rom out?
I also BELIEVE this is the correct IP and Port for Telus. I found it at this link from PPCGEEKS... (http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=36377&highlight=Bell+aGPS)
PDE IP Address = 216.198.139.92
PDE Port Number = 8889
PDE Transport = IP
Position Calculation = mobile
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I have done all of the above
Thank you!
Here is what I have done wrong. I have remove/delete my data connection from the phone .
"Wifi will not work with the PDE Server. It will prevent the agps data from being downloaded if it is on."
"This requires a data connection. It will use 100 bytes (1/10 of 1Kilobyte) when accessing the PDE servers."
tssi said:
I have done all of the above
Thank you!
Here is what I have done wrong. I have remove/delete my data connection from the phone .
"Wifi will not work with the PDE Server. It will prevent the agps data from being downloaded if it is on."
"This requires a data connection. It will use 100 bytes (1/10 of 1Kilobyte) when accessing the PDE servers."
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Ahhh, yes, that would do it. Why did you delete it anyways?
scrosler said:
Ahhh, yes, that would do it. Why did you delete it anyways?
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I'm not on a data plan. And was costing me $150 for the first month of usage.
Is anyone know if there is a way to get around about the GPS without using data?
tssi said:
I'm not on a data plan. And was costing me $150 for the first month of usage.
Is anyone know if there is a way to get around about the GPS without using data?
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There is not.
scrosler said:
There is not.
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I might have found a way. I'm testing this and will report back.
aGPS with no data connection work!
Update! This Works!
Go to your Comm Manager, switch to Flight Mode, switch back to Phone mode, launch your GPS program.
Works every time for me so far. I have tried TomTom and Garmin so far.
Update post #1
Thanks scrosler
tssi said:
Update! This Works!
Go to your Comm Manager, switch to Flight Mode, switch back to Phone mode, launch your GPS program.
Works every time for me so far. I have tried TomTom and Garmin so far.
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Switching to flight mode is a way to clear any hung data connections.
Hey guys,
Can you tell me if there is an "issue" with the GPS on the Alltel Touch Pro phones? These are fairly new phones and have only been out for a couple weeks so there may not be a lot of info available but it sure seems to me there are some issues here.
I'm on my 3rd phone. First phone was probably OK but since it was new and nobody in the area was familiar with it, everyone thought the speakerphone speaker was defective... turns out it just sucks but that's in a different thread. On the 2nd phone we noticed at the Alltel store the signal kept dropping out completely and then coming back. Also I dropped a call, looked at the phone and it showed no bars in a very good signal reception area. That coupled with I couldn't get the GPS to reliably work, Alltel swapped out the phone again for me thinking the GPS was defective. Well, third one might be worse!!!???
I have verified I have the 911 location settings turned ON.
I have run QuickGPS and downloaded the data.
On the 2nd phone after several days of trying it off and on and having zero success I decided to get the $9.99 monthly Alltel app. It did indicate a weak signal but eventually picked up my location. Hmm??? I then went into Google Maps and it too was seeing around 10 satellites. Why could I not get it to see any satellites for days then as soon as I paid for the monthly Alltel app it "kinda" worked??? I say "kinda" because after that being able to lock onto satellites even in an open field was very iffy. So, I took the Alltel GPS app off the phone and did a hard reset because I still couldn't consistently get any satellites. After the hard reset I tried again with Google Maps and nothing. I then downloaded GPS Test and it immediately found several satellites??? I then started up Google Maps and then it immediately started working too?!? During all this I installed TomTom Navigator 5 (own that so thought I'd try it) and it too was "iffy" if it would find any satellites but it did connect so long as I had the GPS Test program running in the background. I could live with that but even with the GPS Test program running in the background on the 2nd phone it wasn't at all consistent even outside in an open field. What I find odd though is that the GPS seems to "stick" and the GPS Test program was "unsticking" the locked up GPS... but not reliably.
Now for the 3rd phone. Get the 3rd phone this morning and immediately download Google Maps, turn on location settings, and do the Quick GPS. Do a soft reset and try out Google Maps in a parking lot. NOTHING again after over 10 minutes. CRAP! Downloaded GPS Test and now on this phone I'm only getting "GPS starting up" with one yellow bar. I can't even get GPS Test to work now but it finds the GPS and acts like it is trying to lock on to satellites. On both phones it was defaulting to 9600 baud. Seemed to not make a difference if I select 9600 or 4800... when it works it works and when it doesn't it doesn't.
This is very frustrating. It is not like the programs don't work because I've got them all to work but only sporadically. Is Alltel doing "something" to this phone and the GPS like "half assed" locking it out??? I don't know what else it could be. Could I have got two bad phones in a row? I've read were other Alltel users just download Google Maps and, bingo, works immediately for them.
Any ideas as to what I might be able to try would be greatly appreciated. I love some of the features on the phone but some of the basic items that should work (speakerphone, GPS) on an expensive phone like this don't work worth a darn
Thanks!!!
Drop the Alltel Nav plan...you don't need it. All it did was set your GPS settings to work, which you can do in the settings. Set GPS Hardware Port GPS and GPS Program Port both to none. Set Baud at 4800 and allow automatic managment. Soft Reset just in case and you should be good to go!
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Drop the Alltel Nav plan...you don't need it. All it did was set your GPS settings to work, which you can do in the settings. Set GPS Hardware Port GPS and GPS Program Port both to none. Set Baud at 4800 and allow automatic managment. Soft Reset just in case and you should be good to go!
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I only had the Alltel Nav plan for a couple of days... only got it for troubleshooting.
I had tried your settings before and both Google Maps and GPS Test could not even find the GPS. I just tried again and same results... GPS just keeps scanning for the GPS and can never find it. You have an Alltel phone?
The setting that you recommend me changing away from the default setting is the GPS Program Port... if that is set to NONE, the programs can't even find the GPS. When I change it back to COM4, the GPS is found but GPS Test sits at "GPS Starting Up" with either no satellites found or just one most of the time. I did the other day get it to work even on this new phone but then yesterday tried again for 20 minutes sitting still outside and the best I got GPS Test to show was 4 satellites... not even enough to get past the "starting up" message.
It seems like it is defective again but, man, TWO phones in a row with a bad GPS?????
So last night after replying to this thread, I was messing around with the new google maps. This morning...NOTHING works with my GPS. Perhaps the download of alltel nav (although canceled) activated the GPS on my phone for a specified time and now the sub ended. I was sold on this phone by Alltel reps because the GPS was not locked to an app.
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So last night after replying to this thread, I was messing around with the new google maps. This morning...NOTHING works with my GPS. Perhaps the download of alltel nav (although canceled) activated the GPS on my phone for a specified time and now the sub ended. I was sold on this phone by Alltel reps because the GPS was not locked to an app.
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Well, after screwing around yesterday like I did, I decided to just let it set in my garage (with many sky lights) this morning for a few hours with the GPS Test program running and looking for satellites. NOTHING. Did a soft reset, went outside, started up the GPS Test program and within 5 seconds was locked on to 10 satellites!?!?! I could swear I've done soft resets before and it did no good. Will try a soft reset again if it quits working on me. Also, I'm inside the house now in a room with ZERO windows and it is still seeing 7 satellites. I suspect there is an issue with GPS on this phone but because it seems very "flaky" I'd think a software update may be able to fix it... hope so anyway!
You might want to try a soft reset and see if that works for ya?
I also talked to a smart phone expert guy and he said it doesn't hurt to do the Quick GPS DAILY. He has found that on many phones running a program like this daily helps the phone to connect much quicker. FWIW, I didn't run it today and after the reset it connected in seconds. LOL
Ok, so I tried running Quick GPS and I get an error "Connection Failed". Perhaps this is somehow related to the GPS issue? I will keep trying throughout the day.
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Ok, so I tried running Quick GPS and I get an error "Connection Failed". Perhaps this is somehow related to the GPS issue? I will keep trying throughout the day.
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I only ever got that when my 911 location setting was turned OFF when I first got the phone. Turned that on and it worked no problem. Also, of course, you have to be able to get your data connection established. With a data connection and your location settings ON, I don't know why you'd have a problem.
GPS no worky right for me......
Finally someone with a thread for this issue! I too am having the exact same problem. The GPS is very "flaky" at best.... I have had it work sporadically at best in the car and will drop it for no reason and the pick it right back up and then go out for good. I dont really understand what to do, it is all quite a mystery. I have manipulated the settings back and forth trying diffent things to no avail. I hope there is an update soon that straightens this out. It annoys me becasue my old titan got signal in about 10 seconds, 10 satellites, indoors, in any part of my house.... just a bit frustrating. Hopefully we get a fix soon.
Thanks for any advice on this!
Gary
bfranker said:
I only ever got that when my 911 location setting was turned OFF when I first got the phone. Turned that on and it worked no problem. Also, of course, you have to be able to get your data connection established. With a data connection and your location settings ON, I don't know why you'd have a problem.
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THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
This was driving me nuts! Now not only does quickGPS work, so does google maps I remember now changing that setting last night. Who knew?
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After messing with this a bit more, I think there is definitely an issue with the Alltel version of this phone and the GPS. It seems that if I can't get it to work, it WILL work after I do a soft reset. What triggers the "need" to do a soft reset I have not yet figured out. But, I do know that I saw a friend who just got a Sprint HTC Touch Pro and had no idea about the GPS. I downloaded Google Maps on their phone and in less than 5 seconds the GPS was working like a charm.
Looks like the Alltel GPS works but is very sporadic at best and, for whatever reason, requires a soft reset damn near each time you want to use it. Hoping for a real "fix" for this soon!
and how do i change the 911 location settings
The 911 settings are located in the settings for the phone. START->SETTINGS->PHONE then click the Services tab and it is under the Location Setting.
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Ok here is something that may be contributing to my problem. So i have double and triple checked the my location check and looked at the option which has always read "on". the strange thin is that the icon on the phone dialer screen shows my location feature is set to off. I have gone back to check the location setting and verified it was on. So i selected off then back on and then the icon reflected it was "on". I have tried soft resets after doing this and it goes right back to the way it was before I force it on. I am now hinking this is what is contributing to the flaky response of the gps. just wondering if anyone else has had this problem.....
gary
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Ok here is something that may be contributing to my problem. So i have double and triple checked the my location check and looked at the option which has always read "on". the strange thin is that the icon on the phone dialer screen shows my location feature is set to off. I have gone back to check the location setting and verified it was on. So i selected off then back on and then the icon reflected it was "on". I have tried soft resets after doing this and it goes right back to the way it was before I force it on. I am now hinking this is what is contributing to the flaky response of the gps. just wondering if anyone else has had this problem.....
gary
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Which icon are you talking about? I looked through the online pdf manual and could find no icon that indicated this setting was on or off
Also, while a soft reset sometimes works for this, it doesn't all the time. What has saved me time in this, though, is that I've learned that if it doesn't connect in under a minute, it ain't going to. Mine either works pretty much right away or doesn't work at all. It does seem to help to start up GPS Test first but that doesn't always work either.
After reading a bit more about this on other forums, it doesn't look to be related specifically to the Alltel version like I originally assumed. A number of people with other carriers are also experiencing "flaky" operation of the HTC Touch Pro GPS. The very sad part about this is that, apparently, HTC refuses to acknowledge a problem exists.
Would be nice to know if this is a software/driver issue or hardware issue. If a hardware issue then I'll be stuck using an external receiver most likely. Software, I can hold out hope that somebody will get it figured out!
the icon i am referring to is on you phone dialer. it is a circle that resembles a set of crosshairs. when the location feature is on, you will see the crosshairs. when the setting is off the crosshairs have a diagonal line through them. i am using my phone to send this so i cant attach any pictures right now. the icon is right next to the back arrow at the top of the dialer where the number you dial is shown.
update... spent 30 minutes with alltel smartphone support and they had no solution other than saying they would send this to the group that reports issues to htc to work on a solution. they did offer me to return it but i like this phone too much. i am
sure we will figure it out soon enough.
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the icon i am referring to is on you phone dialer. it is a circle that resembles a set of crosshairs. when the location feature is on, you will see the crosshairs. when the setting is off the crosshairs have a diagonal line through them. i am using my phone to send this so i cant attach any pictures right now. the icon is right next to the back arrow at the top of the dialer where the number you dial is shown.
update... spent 30 minutes with alltel smartphone support and they had no solution other than saying they would send this to the group that reports issues to htc to work on a solution. they did offer me to return it but i like this phone too much. i am
sure we will figure it out soon enough.
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Ahh... I see that now and amazingly enough, mine has a line through it. I'll check that next time I can get the GPS to work and see if it changes.
Like you, I really like the phone but it greatly aggravates me that something so expensive doesn't work, as designed, out of the box.
I have had 3 alltel TP phones and all of them once 911 and location was set to on and quick gps was run once then they always got instant locks of 10 satellites. On my mogul the best i would ever get would be 4-6 satellites. Google & Live search use the intermediate driver with default settings with no lag and Iguidance (which is the best voiceprompt gps software) works with no lag when using Franson GPS gate as a virtual com port for the GPS driver.
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I have had 3 alltel TP phones and all of them once 911 and location was set to on and quick gps was run once then they always got instant locks of 10 satellites. On my mogul the best i would ever get would be 4-6 satellites. Google & Live search use the intermediate driver with default settings with no lag and Iguidance (which is the best voiceprompt gps software) works with no lag when using Franson GPS gate as a virtual com port for the GPS driver.
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If you go to your phone dialer, is there a "line" through the crosshair/circle icon?
I haven't been able to get a lock for couple days now. Bummer. I'm going to call Alltel tech support again and see what they say.
Ok, after not even beeing able to get more than a couple satellites being shown in GPS Test which means nothing more than a GPS Starting message, I decided to call tech support to see if they had documented any other issues with the phone since I last contacted them. I was told there are NO known issues with the Touch Pro (not even the problem with the speakerphone or the previously reported GPS issues).
After talking with tech support and they guy telling me that they get a number of calls for "other" GPS software programs but not too many for the Alltel Navagation program that they offer, he told me he can't help me with the other programs and I should contact their vendors. I tried to explain to him that one was a simple GPS Test program and the other was Google Maps but he kept saying that they don't really have problems with "their" GPS subscription program.
Being basically fed up and figuring it was worth the $10 to continue to troubleshoot this problem, I downloaded the Alltel Navagation program again. And guess what... IT WORKED. Guess what else... when I had the Alltel Navagation program working, GPS Test and Google Maps work fine too and I'm even inside a large building right now!!!
Does anybody have any "inside" on what is going on here? I know a number of Alltel people say the GPS on their Touch Pro works just fine using something like Google Maps. On mine, it "sometimes" works. I find it VERY odd that on my last Touch Pro phone I NEVER got even a single satellite to show until I downloaded the Alltel pay program. Now, with this phone, after struggling with it a bit I can "sometimes" get it to work but haven't been able to for a couple days, even after numerous soft resets but now, immediately after activating and running the Alltel program, my GPS starting working just peachy and even inside a large building!?!? I've got a full 5 bars in the Alltel GPS program inside. WHAT GIVES???
I'm going to pay for this Alltel program for a few days and see if I can consistently get a lock. If so, I'd sure like to know why the phone's GPS magically gets "better" so long as you pay for their service
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If you go to your phone dialer, is there a "line" through the crosshair/circle icon?
I haven't been able to get a lock for couple days now. Bummer. I'm going to call Alltel tech support again and see what they say.
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I am using the regular windows dialer and yes there is a line through the circle/crosshair.
I just went outside and launched Gpsgate/Iguidance and had 10 sattelites instantly, it has been at least a week since I have drove and used the GPS, but I use it all the time with no problems or lag. Inside I almost instantly get 6-7 sats. using Google maps or livesearch without GPS gate, only the MS intermediate driver I get instant locks as well. I ran quick GPS once about a month ago on this unit.
I think this is important enough to warrant it's own thread - a heads up to anyone cooking ROM's!
Firstly, in the changelog, there's a fix for P4600 fails NI-SUPL (!!!)
NI is Network Initiated, this fix is probably related to E-911, SUPL-NI is typically triggered via SMS. Apparently a side effect of this is that MS-BASED and MS-ASSISTED SUPL modes both now work too (GPSMode registry key, 1=MS-ASSISTED, 2=MS-BASED, 3=MS-STANDALONE)
3 significant changes that I note are a new radio ROM version, and agpsnvsetting (registry key) is set to 1 instead of 5.. quickgps is updated also.
Anywho, somewhere inbetween these changes, QuickGPS now successfully transfers the A-GPS TLS Certificate to the chipset (i don't recall seeing this happen successfully before, certificate name is suplrootcert and can be found in \OEM\OperatorPkg)
Code:
18:24:35 [D:GPS] GPS: [SetupGPSConfigForGetPosition] Using AGPS settings from registry.
18:24:35 [D:GPS] [SetupGPSConfigForGetPosition] MCC = 310, MNC = 410
18:24:35 [D:GPS] [SetupGPSConfigForGetPosition] wGPSDynamicURL = h-slp.mnc410.mcc310.pub.3gppnetwork.org
18:24:35 [D:GPS] GPS: [SetupGPSConfigForGetPosition] Transferred from [h-slp.mnc410.mcc310.pub.3gppnetwork.org] to [209.183.32.112]
18:24:35 [D:GPS] GPS: [SetupGPSConfigForGetPosition] NEW ServerIP = 209.183.32.112
Anywho, I haven't tested beyond this configuration, but for anyone not on AT&T's network, you should be able to cook a ROM with these drivers from 5.08, the quickgps package, the suplrootcert, use the accompanying radio rom, and change the SUPL servers to something public (supl.nokia.com maybe)
It certainly warrants further scrutiny, but i'm almost positive A-GPS is functioning as it should have since day one now
I might suggest grabbing the AT&T ROM or my modified one here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/205473951/ATT-5.08-nocert-24mbPP-lite-new.ddi-v2.rar
and changing the values in the registry here to match your APN/Connection Name/SUPL Server (try supl.nokia.com/66.35.236.25/port 7275):
edit: supl.sonyericsson.com/212.209.45.84/port 7275 is also public
note all SUPL servers should utilize port 7275 - it is the IANA registered port (reference here: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers) - also all SUPL servers should support the 1.0 standard which appears to be what's in use.
EDIT: It appears the domain name registration on 3gppnetwork.org, supl.nokia.com, supl.sonyericsson.com has expired and these URL's are no longer valid; the ONLY remaining functional public SUPL server i'm aware of is IP 209.183.32.112 - remove all hostnames from your /SUPL AGPS key.
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS]
"APN"="wap.cingular"
"DynamicURL"="h-slp.mnc000.mcc111.pub.3gppnetwork.org"
"GPRSConnection"="MEdia Net"
"Network"="MEdia Net"
"ServerIP"="199.88.233.169"
"ServerPort"=dword:00001c6b
"ServerURL"="h-slp.mnc410.mcc310.pub.3gppnetwork.org"
"TLSHostName"="h-slp.mnc410.mcc310.pub.3gppnetwork.org"
Who knows, it might even work with the default server if you just change the APN, GPRSConnection, and Network to match yours..
sounds great!
anyone up for cabbing this properly?
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I think this is important enough to warrant it's own thread - a heads up to anyone cooking ROM's!
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Yes, you are correct. AGPS is working for me using a custom rom built off the leaked rom. I've been playing around with it for a couple of days now trying to figure out if I'm crazy or not. So, if I am crazy, that makes two of us now. previously I could not turn on AGPS without crashing my iGO and now this is working as well. They, being AT&T have finally resolved the issue or I have completely lost my mind. Both options are not entirely unlikely.
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Yes, you are correct. AGPS is working for me using a custom rom built off the leaked rom. I've been playing around with it for a couple of days now trying to figure out if I'm crazy or not. So, if I am crazy, that makes two of us now. previously I could not turn on AGPS without crashing my iGO and now this is working as well. They, being AT&T have finally resolved the issue or I have completely lost my mind. Both options are not entirely unlikely.
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but have you noticed any changes regarding fix speed or whatever?
I've only had the patience to hard reset 3 times, but i've gotten a sub 15 second fix each time This is indoors where it has taken over 15 minutes to get a fix before. And 2-5 minute fixes are common. I made sure to clear all epheremis data etc. as i've done in previous gps tests.
I doubt the fix was on AT&T's side, they don't do much if actual programming, largely just submit requests to HTC.. the fix on their end would be to get the SUPL server working where it wasn't before, but then the older AT&T ROM would now be working too..
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but have you noticed any changes regarding fix speed or whatever?
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Yes. I am seeing locks in less than 15 secs after updating QuickGPS. However, I must note that I am using GPSOneAPP to test with custom settings. I am also not seeing any lag at all. I am using the new 1.12.25.19 radio along with the corresponding rilphone.dll as well.
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Yes. I am seeing locks in less than 15 secs after updating QuickGPS. However, I must note that I am using GPSOneAPP to test with custom settings. I am also not seeing any lag at all. I am using the new 1.12.25.19 radio along with the corresponding rilphone.dll as well.
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How is your battery life with that new radio? And where are you located tater?
iceman4357 said:
How is your battery life with that new radio? And where are you located tater?
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For me, this latest radio is by far the best. 2nd best is any Blackstone radio. I am going a solid 3 days and no ATW, I'm not switching off 3G. This is everday use mind you. I don't do a lot of surfing, but I have 3 email accounts checking every hour, a lot of mms/sms messages and maybe 5-10 calls a day. This usage is typical for me.
Regardless of that though, the point is that AGPS is working correctly or at the very least, it seems to work. That to me is the major deal.
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I'm sorry, I forgot to tell you my location. Middle to lower East Coast, USA.
Good stuff, I'll have to try it out later.
I'm using your clean ROM Da_G and I will try GPS on my way home.
I still had speed lag when I used the leaked ROM though, but my fixes did seem faster.
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Yes, you are correct. AGPS is working for me using a custom rom built off the leaked rom. I've been playing around with it for a couple of days now trying to figure out if I'm crazy or not. So, if I am crazy, that makes two of us now. previously I could not turn on AGPS without crashing my iGO and now this is working as well. They, being AT&T have finally resolved the issue or I have completely lost my mind. Both options are not entirely unlikely.
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Which ROM are you using. I would like to give a shot, I'm currently on Arup's v5, but I'm having a few issues with it. Thanks.
airbillion said:
Which ROM are you using. I would like to give a shot, I'm currently on Arup's v5, but I'm having a few issues with it. Thanks.
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I'm sorry, but I'm currently running a private Beta built off the leaked rom.
iceman4357 said:
How is your battery life with that new radio?...
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Over the .32 radio I am having excellent luck with battery. Instead of ending the day at about 8pm (from 5am) with about 20-30% battery life, I'm ending in the 40% now. I do a lot of bluetooth calls, heavy SMS, and constant activesync push email with about 50 emails a day. Needless to say, the radio and the Energy ROMs have turned my fuze from not making it till 8pm, to making me not even worry about playing a bit of youtube on the train on the way home.
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I'm sorry, but I'm currently running a private Beta built off the leaked rom.
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Cool, thanks for getting back to me. Hopefully it will be available soon.
airbillion said:
Which ROM are you using. I would like to give a shot, I'm currently on Arup's v5, but I'm having a few issues with it. Thanks.
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I am using Arup's v5 and I am seeing these great results as well. I am on the latest BS radio .16 with RIL to match. Checkout my post here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3418334&postcount=147
I'm running the 1.12.25.19 Radio and RRE v5. I can confirm that AGPS is working with this combo. Typical indoor lock of < 10 seconds, outdoor lock < 5 seconds.
I still have lag though. Driving at 30 MPH, I measure the lag to be in the range of 2-3 seconds in Google Maps, OCN8, and Garmin Mobile XT. That translates to a range of about 90-140 ft. (25-40 meters). Lag has been a constant for me. All of the combinations of Raphael radios, ROMs, and registry tweaks that I've tried have still resulted in the same lag.
Just using the new stock leaked rom, I can also confirm that I'm getting under 10 second locks consistently, and I haven't ran into 1 instance where I haven't been able to get a lock. Prior to this I haven't been able to get locks at all without running GPSTest for around a minute or so and then starting up my GPS software. It's absolutely amazing!
Da_g anyyway you can do this:
"Anywho, I haven't tested beyond this configuration, but for anyone not on AT&T's network, you should be able to cook a ROM with these drivers from 5.08, the quickgps package, the suplrootcert, use the accompanying radio rom, and change the SUPL servers to something public (supl.nokia.com maybe)"
Without doing any kitchen work? There a way you can just insert the drivers using a patched NK.exe and then put this in w/e it is lol "suplrootcert"
lpsi2000 said:
I am using Arup's v5 and I am seeing these great results as well. I am on the latest BS radio .16 with RIL to match. Checkout my post here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3418334&postcount=147
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Thanks for the info! I am on the latest RAPH radio .19. I read that Arup is using the latest .19 rilphone.dll so I performed a hard reset and enabled AGPS and now all is great! Indoor gps lock in 15-20 seconds! I guess I didn't need to do the whole rename rilphone2.dll and registry changes, maybe that is what messed me up in the first place.
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I'm running the 1.12.25.19 Radio and RRE v5. I can confirm that AGPS is working with this combo. Typical indoor lock of < 10 seconds, outdoor lock < 5 seconds.
I still have lag though. Driving at 30 MPH, I measure the lag to be in the range of 2-3 seconds in Google Maps, OCN8, and Garmin Mobile XT. That translates to a range of about 90-140 ft. (25-40 meters). Lag has been a constant for me. All of the combinations of Raphael radios, ROMs, and registry tweaks that I've tried have still resulted in the same lag.
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Are you using the rilphone2.dll file and registry tweak? I and others seem to have had great improvements in lag when applying this