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Hi guys
I've been facing since I bought my HTC Athena irregular freeze everyday.
I upgraded the Device to WM6 the next day I received it, it went very soomth with my applications installed.
However, the freeze appear very randomly, it could be while launching a new program, or playing backgammon, sometimes after device wake up, also once when received an SMS.
A very weird behavior also, is that sometimes I need to soft-reset 3/4 times in a row to get passed the HTC and the Windows Mobile splash screen.
For info, the soft-reset is not necessarly done after a freeze ....
I decided to start this new topic in order to see if other people are facing same symptoms on their Athena, and to share our experience together.
Cheers
Hope you run Oli's SPL Unlocker/patcher...
BigDede said:
Hi guys
I've been facing since I bought my HTC Athena irregular freeze everyday.
I upgraded the Device to WM6 the next day I received it, it went very soomth with my applications installed.
However, the freeze appear very randomly, it could be while launching a new program, or playing backgammon, sometimes after device wake up, also once when received an SMS.
A very weird behavior also, is that sometimes I need to soft-reset 3/4 times in a row to get passed the HTC and the Windows Mobile splash screen.
For info, the soft-reset is not necessarly done after a freeze ....
I decided to start this new topic in order to see if other people are facing same symptoms on their Athena, and to share our experience together.
Cheers
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Sorry no such problems here, but did you run Olipro's SPL patcher/Unlocker before flashing thee ROM? I know tupsindin released a few WM6 ROMs a while ago that could be flashed without CID unlocking your X7500, but Olipro's Unlocker will make your device unbrickable.
If you have already done this, try flashing the new WM6 Dopod U1000 ROM seems very stable to me with no issues so far and slightly snappier than the other WM6 ROMs.
Thks mackaby for your reply
I did unlock it via the UK website I found on XDA forum, sorry but can't remember the name (soemthing IMEI), so I did that then flashed with the WM6 ROM ver 2.20.405.1
Im doing some more testing
what is really annoying is that I need to do 4/5 soft reset very ofently in order to pass by the HTC/Windows Mobile splash screen
I just bought my HTC Advantage X7500 with WM6 already installed and I have lock up issues if I have auto shutoff enabled it will not start backup after a auto shut off I keep using the reset to get it back up. When it is up I just disabled the auto shut off and now have no problems.
Im not having same pb as you, but I saw on one thread on XDA forums that people having that problem fixed it by assigning a the turn on/off device to a hardware button. and apparently it fixed their problem.
Try that and it must fix it for you
BigDede said:
Hi guys
I've been facing since I bought my HTC Athena irregular freeze everyday.
I upgraded the Device to WM6 the next day I received it, it went very soomth with my applications installed.
However, the freeze appear very randomly, it could be while launching a new program, or playing backgammon, sometimes after device wake up, also once when received an SMS.
A very weird behavior also, is that sometimes I need to soft-reset 3/4 times in a row to get passed the HTC and the Windows Mobile splash screen.
For info, the soft-reset is not necessarly done after a freeze ....
I decided to start this new topic in order to see if other people are facing same symptoms on their Athena, and to share our experience together.
Cheers
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Hi,
I have encountered in the past this problem, and I observed that it was happening after I installed HTC X-Button v1.5, and it was even worse after HTC X-Button v1.51.
Later on, a new version was published, and it works flawlessly since. The exact file is HTC X-Button v1.51 build 30229.
Hope you have same issue. Good luck,
Zohar
Thks zoharbl for you reply
I don't have HTC x-button
For now, I found an alternative with Running Pocket Hack Master at 663 Mhz, and I modified the sequence for startup processes using SKTools putting Pocket Hack Master as #1 in the order, Wisbar Advance 3 as #2, SPB Diary as the last one and Norton Antivirus just before the last one.
I noticed that SPB Diary is slowing down a bit my device, and specially after a reset, this is because I created custom tab adding plugins inside this tab such Phone Alarm, SPB Weather and Resco Explorer Plugin ...
I tried many config, and found out this one works the best for me, the device is resetting with less then 30 sec without any hanging anymore.
zoharbl said:
and I observed that it was happening after I installed HTC X-Button v1.5, and it was even worse after HTC X-Button v1.51.
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Really interesting comment. I have original WM5 configured UK Ameo and have always experienced random crashes. After reading this, I looked again at my settings and found the X-button configured - I don't need it as I use the same functionality from Wisbar. Turned it off and it hasn't crashed since.
You learn something every day
BigDede said:
For now, I found an alternative with Running Pocket Hack Master at 663 Mhz, and I modified the sequence for startup processes using SKTools putting Pocket Hack Master as #1 in the order, Wisbar Advance 3 as #2, SPB Diary as the last one and Norton Antivirus just before the last one.
I noticed that SPB Diary is slowing down a bit my device, and specially after a reset, this is because I created custom tab adding plugins inside this tab such Phone Alarm, SPB Weather and Resco Explorer Plugin ...
I tried many config, and found out this one works the best for me, the device is resetting with less then 30 sec without any hanging anymore.
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Hi there BigDede
Don't know if this will help...
Even since before I have upgraded to WM6 I have had problems similar to yours. At the time I had WA3 and WAD installed as well as Spb Weather, Spb Diary and certain parts of Pocketplus. I did a trail and removed all software from Spb and Wisbar and everything worked perfectly. In the meantime I have now only added Spb Mobile Suite and use iLauncher on my today screen together with the plugin from Resco Explorer - no more problems!
It seems to me that some of the above software have compatibilty issues with the U1000/Athena/Ameo (whether wm2005 or wm6 makes a difference I don't know).
Cheers
Thks Superdawie for your reply, you are right, I was suspecting Wisbar, SPB Diary abd phoneAlarm to be the origin of my problems.
But as I said previously, I found a workaround to make the Athena runs ok by playing with the order of startup programs. It's been more then one week without any freeze
Mrsums said:
Really interesting comment. I have original WM5 configured UK Ameo and have always experienced random crashes. After reading this, I looked again at my settings and found the X-button configured - I don't need it as I use the same functionality from Wisbar. Turned it off and it hasn't crashed since.
You learn something every day
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Same for me, working well on WM6 since I turned X-Button 1.51 off.
In WM5 I had this problem all the time as WM5 totally sucks!
In WM6 I only experienced this problem when programs "collided" due to timing issues as you've found out. By changing the load order or timing of some applications (some programs have it built right in like SmallMenu....it's resolved all of my lock up issues, etc. Most of the problems can be resolved by playing around with the software you have loaded, as you found out. Not sure if it's because of a crappy OS or because of crappy coding by the developers of the software we're installing...maybe both.
I'm running 'Opera Mini 4 Beta 2' right now and have the following issues:
-On occasion, Opera will close when I go back to the Today screen. I'll press 'OK' and sometimes it takes me back to the Today screen with no problems. Other times I'll have to relaunch Opera and will have lost my spot. Any ideas here? I will say that when I launch it, it says 'suite_02 could not be found'. I tried to set up a shortcut but for some reason it wouldn't work on DCD's 2.1.0 ROM. Maybe this has something to do with it?
-Formatting. In order for Opera to format the page correctly, sometimes I'll have to turn 'Mobile View' & 'Landscape Mode' on and off before the text will be formatted. It could be on my end, but anyone know what this is all about? Is it just mobile view I need to set it as? It doesn't seem that way, but again - could be something I'm missing.
Thanks for any help.
The reason your shortcut is getting errors is because that "suite_02" refers to a specific 'slot' if you will inside your esmertec jbed java launcher. Try different combinations of numbers and you'll find one that works. If you have nothing else installed, often times it's suite 0. Here's my EXACT link's parameters if you edit the file in notepad.
28#"\windows\jbed.exe" -run "s0_"
hope this helps
Forgot to mention, I'd go ahead and download the final opera 4 mini. It's a lot more stable. I run mobile view all the time also, fwiw
kmartburrito said:
Forgot to mention, I'd go ahead and download the final opera 4 mini. It's a lot more stable. I run mobile view all the time also, fwiw
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yeah you should do that cause im running opera 4 final and it runs great
OK, will definitely try OM4 Final. One quick question though:
How will upgrading to OM4 affected my jbed shortcut? Thank you to KMart for the suggestions, but for whatever reason, nothing really seems to work. Should I uninstall everything and see what OM4 does?
This link should help:
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/ppc-...ed-includes-info-new-java-midlet-manager.html
The instructions work just the same for Opera 4 Final. I am using final.
A problem, for my important one, is that it occupies much memory.
It is to say..., in my single country exist maps for GARMIN XT and if I install MANILA DIALER does not load GARMIN to me XT by lack of memory, if I install plugins in the TODAY does not load the GARMIN to me by lack of memory...
Thanks!!!!!!!!!
I also have this issue with garmin mobile xt. This is not an issue with garmin only - i have it with all applications with high memory usage. Opera, netfront, album and garmin mobile xt have these issues for me.
I used before spb mobile shell on today screen / WM6 stock and I'm started applications from there - this causes lot of troubles for me now with AP4. It will work in first few attempts, but after few close/opens it seams like memory gets corrupted and any application from this affected list will not start at all. They are stuck but other small applications are working fine. Same issue with starting from HTC home and resco today plugin.
I tried multiple hard-resets, software configs and figured out only one solution for now. I have just simple default today's plugins and qickmenu. If I start applications from quickmenu everything appears to be fine - all can be started at once, no visible problems for now. As soon I use application start from today screen - applications will not start correctly, no error message, nothing. It just does not start - for example opera, loading popup will be shown forever.
I'm also tried with hard-reseted rom without any application installed. Same effect with opera - it will not start after few application started.
Do you have issues with other applications or just garmin mobile?
I also find that memory usage in base rom is too high. A lot of apps just refuse to start. Opera only works less than half the time, even if nothing else is running. Tom Tom only work 7 out 10 times. Movies tend to stutter after a few minutes. I have shut off vueflo, touchflo, removed some items in windows/startup and still device is not very usable. ALso, changed some registry tweaks with sktools, and schaps config, better but still issues.
I had a lot of high hopes for AP4, but am finding it not very useful for running applications. Opera is useless now. Who cares if it is a newer version if it hardly ever works. Actually, I found the Pre-Reease version worked better. I mean if you can't use today pluggins, kinda of makes the device crippled. Oh well, I guess back to using my kasier, until something is changed to make the device better.
eagle 1 said:
I also find that memory usage in base rom is too high. A lot of apps just refuse to start. Opera only works less than half the time, even if nothing else is running. Tom Tom only work 7 out 10 times. Movies tend to stutter after a few minutes. I have shut off vueflo, touchflo, removed some items in windows/startup and still device is not very usable. ALso, changed some registry tweaks with sktools, and schaps config, better but still issues.
I had a lot of high hopes for AP4, but am finding it not very useful for running applications. Opera is useless now. Who cares if it is a newer version if it hardly ever works. Actually, I found the Pre-Reease version worked better. I mean if you can't use today pluggins, kinda of makes the device crippled. Oh well, I guess back to using my kasier, until something is changed to make the device better.
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you say the pre release worked better. so that makes me wonder if the reason for the memory problems isnt the new manila sip. i think i need to do a beta of a potential 4.1 and try to get the rom right this time. few more issues need to be fixed and i'll have a public 4.1 beta available.
Pawel062 said:
you say the pre release worked better. so that makes me wonder if the reason for the memory problems isnt the new manila sip. i think i need to do a beta of a potential 4.1 and try to get the rom right this time. few more issues need to be fixed and i'll have a public 4.1 beta available.
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Pawel... my English is not very good... (Speak spanish and translate ALTAVISTA) are working in a new version that occupied less memory?
Thanks.
eagle 1 said:
I also find that memory usage in base rom is too high. A lot of apps just refuse to start. Opera only works less than half the time, even if nothing else is running. Tom Tom only work 7 out 10 times. Movies tend to stutter after a few minutes. I have shut off vueflo, touchflo, removed some items in windows/startup and still device is not very usable. ALso, changed some registry tweaks with sktools, and schaps config, better but still issues.
I had a lot of high hopes for AP4, but am finding it not very useful for running applications. Opera is useless now. Who cares if it is a newer version if it hardly ever works. Actually, I found the Pre-Reease version worked better. I mean if you can't use today pluggins, kinda of makes the device crippled. Oh well, I guess back to using my kasier, until something is changed to make the device better.
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Hello, Eagle, from where I can remove that previous version (Pre-Release version)?
Montecristo said:
Hello, Eagle, from where I can remove that previous version (Pre-Release version)?
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Sorry Pre-release version is not available.
As pawel stated, he is working on another version that may use less memory.
After reading over my post, it seems a bit harsh. I did not mean for it to come across that way. A lot of work went into AP4 and sounds like more will come from the team.
Pawel, I see dutty commented on the AP4 and that he was going to try it out. Ever think about trying to get him to collaborate with the AP4 team. He is a great rom builder and seems to put out Roms (always better) every couple of weeks with the latest wm versions for the kaiser.
eagle 1 said:
Sorry Pre-release version is not available.
As pawel stated, he is working on another version that may use less memory.
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@dutty: welcome, some suggestion for AP4.1?
@Pawel
I am testing AP4, at system's startup, 63.52 Mb free (100.83 Total) with Memmaid only
Having Memmaid, Mail, PocketCM(2.1), Resco 2007, Today Agenda, HTC HOME VGA and Audio Manager active 43.36 Mb free
Adding windows media, opera (default page), tom tom 6, I still have 37 Mb free
Adding large pages to opera (www.repubblica.it, big page, and xda developers in a second tab), Internet Explorer (www.repubblica.it ), I have 22Mb free, more than some TyTN!
From the "plain AP4" I tweaked the system for speed, (many tools can to the same, including Schaps advanced config), removed HTC home using HTC_HOME_VGA
I can't believe in a real low memory problem! I confirm the feeling about the system seems "to hang" sometime when many applications are opened, waiting 10-15 seconds everything is working again and is still responsive.
May be the problems reported are buffer problem, a cache problem..., low resources problem, instead of a simple low memory.
I've closed memmaid and it seems to freeze for a while , tapping on upper's bar application tab nothing happens (Yes, I forgot, I am using wtask and quickmenu too) , but after 8-10 sec is working again and is fast!
Windows error messages are liers sometime (many...) !
sergiopi said:
@dutty: welcome, some suggestion for AP4.1?
@Pawel
I am testing AP4, at system's startup, 63.52 Mb free (100.83 Total) with Memmaid only
Having Memmaid, Mail, PocketCM(2.1), Resco 2007, Today Agenda, HTC HOME VGA and Audio Manager active 43.36 Mb free
Adding windows media, opera (default page), tom tom 6, I still have 37 Mb free
Adding large pages to opera (www.repubblica.it, big page, and xda developers in a second tab), Internet Explorer (www.repubblica.it ), I have 22Mb free, more than some TyTN!
From the "plain AP4" I tweaked the system for speed, (many tools can to the same, including Schaps advanced config), removed HTC home using HTC_HOME_VGA
I can't believe in a real low memory problem! I confirm the feeling about the system seems "to hang" sometime when many applications are opened, waiting 10-15 seconds everything is working again and is still responsive.
May be the problems reported are buffer problem, a cache problem..., low resources problem, instead of a simple low memory.
I've closed memmaid and it seems to freeze for a while , tapping on upper bar application tab nothing happens (Yes, I forgot, I am using wtask and quickmenu too) , but after 8-10 sec is working again and is fast!
Windows error messages are liers sometime (many...) !
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and which two explanation you find him to that if I have plugins in today, GARMIN XT does not start and if them exempt if?
If I have installed MANILA DIALER, GARMIN XT to not it starts me and if exempt it, if?
Montecristo said:
and which two explanation you find him to that if I have plugins in today, GARMIN XT does not start and if them exempt if?
If I have installed MANILA DIALER, GARMIN XT to not it starts me and if exempt it, if?
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Low resources, badly written SW (Manila Dialer, Today's Plugins or Garmin XT), many other explanations. Don't trust in windows errors codes, from Vista to CE, they are only a trace!
the loading screen just gets stuck & then nothing else happens. any chance of getting a standalone opera browser installer so that i can reinstall it on my athena? i.e. the opera browser version found in AP4 & not the 9.33 version thanks guys ian
Haven't had that problem, but when I go into opera:config some of the settings won't save. The number of tabs (stuck on 5 even though at first it appears to save a higher number) and turning off the password cache (it won't go away) are two that come to mind.
I also really don't like the lack of scroll bars in this version of Opera.
Yes, it seems several people have complained of this issue. I also have the issue. Seems to be lack of memory available, try remove some today plugins, set keyboad and dialer to basic, soft reset and see if Opera responds better..For me, that works, but not worth the trouble. I also would like the old version in a cab.
Yes, same with mine too. Need to free up memory occasionally.
Me3 - A soft reboot seems to clear it. This Opera is flupping ace, I've been boring everyone with it at work
Ltxda posted a cab for opera 9.4 (in ap4) on the forums a bit ago.Dont have the thread on hand but i do believe it was titled "opera 9.4 be a not 9.33"
plasmod3 said:
the loading screen just gets stuck & then nothing else happens. any chance of getting a standalone opera browser installer so that i can reinstall it on my athena? i.e. the opera browser version found in AP4 & not the 9.33 version thanks guys ian
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I had experienced this few times. Looks like not enough memory.
Opera 9.5
Hi,
Irus has just released his version of WM6.1 rom (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2176129&postcount=1). In his addons there is a cab named "Opera_9.5__Build_405__Fixed_Uninstall__VGA.cab". I have installed it on my original HTC WM6 rom. I did it on my SD so I can use it or use old version of Opera supplied with my rom.
I can say that I do not have any problems with memory. I am using pBar which shows me memory all the time, so I could see that Opera (the new one) takes a lot of it but as normally I have well over 60 MB, while in Opera it drops down about 10 MB.
However I hate it. No scrolling bars, finger scrolling is mostly not working. It behaves completely unreliably. Some pages are messed (in old opera they were shown properly) and so on. And no vueFlow. In old version it works and I am using it all the time.
Hi Tadeusz - did you have problems before? I use AP4.0 and have had absolutely no problems with Opera, it seams to be a conflict with other apps eg Garmin XT and Adobe reader 2, have you tested this version with those?
Anyone have a link to the Opera 8.65 that was in stock and other roms?
I have a Sprint Touch Pro 2 with stock WM6.5 ROM.
When I type in Opera Mini (say posting a forum message), after a while pressing a space bar (or a comma / period sign) starts erasing the previous word. This is very repeatable. Also once it starts happening, it affects any other keyboard, including the hardware one.
At first I thought it was related to FingerKeybd, so I yesterday uninstalled it and jumped through some hoops to get my English ROM device to type in two languages using HTC native keyboard. However, it appears the bug is still there, although in a modified version - now pressing space erases letter "I" only.
The problem is only with Opera Mini - I can type anywhere else with no issues. I also have a strong suspicion that it's somehow related to suggested words option being turned on, however I use this feature and don't want to give it up.
I did submit a bug to Opera team but it was immediately dismissed as something specific to my particular unit.
I am curious if anyone else had this problem... surely I can't be the only one !
I have the same problem. Thats horrible.
Same problem here. I have autocomplete turned off but it's still happening. It will also erase "ierd" if you type wierd but won't erase it if you type starting with another letter. The crazy thing is it cleared up for a while until I did a hard reset and erased the "fix".
I don't have this bug anymore. I think it may be related to TF3D (Sense). I stopped using Sense several months ago - got tired of lags and memory issues, tried Titanium and never looked back. This seems to have also fixed my Opera keyboard issue, somehow. I've been through many hard resets (trying different things, screwing up, hr to get back to basics) and so far no issues with keyboard. It may be not related as much to Sense as to CHT running on top of it; don't know - try switching to Titanium and see if that helps.
I used to use mini 4.2 and really liked it, but couldn't use the newer versions because the keyboard is just too buggy. I don't really remember what the keyboard did, I just remember that typing was nearly impossible. I use Resco for my sip.
I had the same thing, search Opera mini forum for "kuifje_opera". It turned out to be the autocorrect feature.
i dont face this problem.. perhaps try reinstalling it, + delete cache files? works fine for me! what about in you HW Keyboard, any problems there?
same
Same problem on rx3115 ROM 1.01.11a.
wm2003SE
any fix?
Try to use Opera mini 5 beta. From my experience with opera mini for about year I can say that the previous beta version i more stable and there are few problems on the rendering of sites and keyboard input in text fields compare to latest 5.1 version. The only thing I do not like in beta version is no so smoothly scrolling vs 5.1.
It is not a Opera problem. Here is what I did and get rid off it:
- Open Start Menu
- Go to: Settings>Personal>Input
- Now you are in Input Method, from the tabs above click Word Completition and uncheck everything there. Now go on the tab Options (on the right) and uncheck Capitalize first letter of the sentence and Scroll upon reaching the last line.
- Click OK (bottom right) and exit the Start Menu.
- Thats it!
This is what I did and solve the same problem, now everything is great when typing texts.
I am using Windows Mobile Pro 6.5.3, so I don't know if it's gonna work on 6.0, 6.1 or 6.5, but considering that this is an all WinMo option, I think it would work on any WinMo OS. Try it, you ain't gonna screw anything
Cheers.