MMS Network Connection - HTC Startrek

Hi Senior Member,
Need advice is there any way to add MMS network on Connection option at WM6.
Currently WM5 have it to configure MMS.
Regards,

Yes I just set up an MMS connection my Windows Mobile 6 Star Trek. It will be the same settings you use in WM5, just slightly different menu options.

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MMS SETTINGS FOR PHILIPPINES?PARTICULARLY SMART NETWORK

Can anybody here give me the mms settings for smart network?
tnx in advance
As far as I know the Wallaby doesn't support MMS, but I could be wrong or you could find some third party software to support it, but out of the box it doesn't.
Regards,
Neil.
evan_gerard said:
Can anybody here give me the mms settings for smart network?
tnx in advance
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Hi evan_gerard,
Let me know if you already got your mms working on your wallaby. I have mine working using EZWAP and manually configuring Smart's IP address. I'll post the settings here if you need them. Happy new year!
morph751 said:
evan_gerard said:
Can anybody here give me the mms settings for smart network?
tnx in advance
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Hi evan_gerard,
Let me know if you already got your mms working on your wallaby. I have mine working using EZWAP and manually configuring Smart's IP address. I'll post the settings here if you need them. Happy new year!
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YES MORPH751 pls do help me with the settings, and where can I get ezwap, tnx in a million
Get EZWAP here:
http://www.ccsleeds.co.uk/stuff/ezwap25xda.zip
Thanks to Pete K for the link.
Download and install EZWAP to your wallaby. You need to configure the settings first before MMS and GPRS could work.
As for the settings I'll post them here tomorrow, I documented the procedure and settings (after trial and error) but it's in my home PC. Hope it works for you.
tnx a lot
MMS / GPRS Settings for Smart Network via EZWAP 2.5
Set up GPRS:
1. Start> Settings> Connections> Connections
2. Modify "Internet Settings"
3. Click "New":
Enter a name for the connection: SMART GPRS
Select a modem: Cellular Line (GPRS)
Baud Rate: 19200
4. Click "Advanced":
TCP/IP Settings:
Use server assigned IP address
Enable Use software compression
Enable Use IP Header Compression
Name Servers:
Click "Use server specific address"
DNS: 202.57.96.3
Alt DNS: 202.57.96.4
WINS/Alt WINS: 0.0.0.0
5. Click "OK"; "Next"> SMART GPRS
Access Point Name: Internet
6. Finish
7. Dialling Locations> Connections:
Location: Mobile
Enable Tone Dialling
Area Code: 02
Country Code: 63
8. Click "OK"; End
Set up MMS via EZWAP:
1. Open EZWAPv2> Tools> Options
2. General> Connection: SMART GPRS; Connect Automatically
3. Connection> Connection Type:
Gateway: Enabled
Address: 10.102.61.46
Port: 9201
Disabled: Connectionless Gateway; WTLS secured connection
Timeouts: Default
4. Push:
Enable Push
Connection Type: Address: Blank; Port: 2948
Enable Connectionless Push Gateway
Disable WTLS Secured Connection
5. MMS: MMS Settings:
Message Server: http://10.102.61.238:8002
Sender Address Type: Phone Number
Sender Address: +63920nnnnnnn (enter your phone number
here)
6. MMS Options:
MMS Message Options:
Message Expiry: Max
Enable All
7. Save; End
Good luck!
mms gprs settings
tnx in a million morph751, anyway do you have one for globe?my friend is asking bout it also, tnx in advance
Re: mms gprs settings
evan_gerard said:
tnx in a million morph751, anyway do you have one for globe?my friend is asking bout it also, tnx in advance
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I think it's the same procedure for Globe. You just need to get Globe's IP address and DNS server addresses. Unfortunately, I don't have Globe's settings. You can probably inquire in Globe centers or it may be available at their website. Hope you enjoy your MMS!
just go to the ftp site check previous posts.. if you need a copy of the cab files (containing mms settings for both smart and globe.. pati sun) just post yer email address and i'll send them to ya.. the wallaby can send and receive mms.. you just need to download the right cab files... im using arcsoft mms composer version 1.6.0.14 and it works perfectly... :wink:
just go to the ftp site check previous posts.. if you need a copy of the cab files (containing mms settings for both smart and globe.. pati sun) just post yer email address and i'll send them to ya.. the wallaby can send and receive mms.. you just need to download the right cab files... im using arcsoft mms composer version 1.6.0.14 and it works perfectly... :wink:
just go to the ftp site check previous posts.. if you need a copy of the cab files (containing mms settings for both smart and globe.. pati sun) just post yer email address and i'll send them to ya.. the wallaby can send and receive mms.. you just need to download the right cab files... im using arcsoft mms composer version 1.6.0.14 and it works perfectly... :wink:
HELP on MMS Diamond
I'm sure since it's all Windows the settings are either the same or similar right?
I have a diamond, and every time i receive a MMS picture i get charged 10 pesos for GPRS internet connection. Called smart, they said Receiving MMS is free and it is my phone that has a problem. They think that the MMS triggers something, a program maybe, that connects to the GPRS every time i receive MMS pictures.
THey said they cannot fix my phone since they do not carry distribute HTC.
What do i do? Any ideas please
I'm using HTC Fuze here in the Philippines. I just used the NetworkWizard.cab I downloaded. Run it, reboot, and everything works.

GPRS MMS SETTING For CHINA MOBILE

Hi
I am in China but I AM NOT chinese. I have been looking for the way to set GPRS and MMS for This phone forever and couldn't find. I notice we have a chinese friend in this forum. anyone could help me?
There indeed is a small app designed especially for this purpose.
Just unpack the files into any folder on your device. Click on DataConnection.exe to open the app, select "remove all" to delete all existing connection configurations, then choose the second item named as "中国移动WAP包月". after all is done, click on cancel to quit. Now ur device is capable of surfing the net and sending/receiving MMS.
Also be sure you have a data connection package, by default the data connection for web browsering via China Mobile is charged at RMB ¥0.03/kb.
settings for China Mobile gprs
Hi,
Also living in China, not Chinese. All you have to do for the China mobile GPRS is change the setting to the following and it works just fine:
1. Go to start>settings>connections>add new connection
2. Call it cmwap, set it as a gprs connection, tap next
3. access point name is CMNET
4. username and password are BOTH "CMNET" all caps
5. leave domain blank
6. tap finish
enjoy
As posted above, do make sure you get a dataplan. They have one for 25RMb a month that includes 200MB of GPRS and 300 text messages.
Thanks you very much both of you very appreciated
China Mobile MMS & GPRS setting for HTC Tytn II
could anybody tell me the China Mobile MMS & GPRS setting for HTC Tytn II. Many thanks.
seems obvious...
af888 said:
could anybody tell me the China Mobile MMS & GPRS setting for HTC Tytn II. Many thanks.
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I've been using a Cingular 8125 with WM5 in Ningbo then Shanghai for the past 8 months. The wireless internet has never worked perfectly since I moved to Shanghai, but when I returned last week with my TyTN 2 (Tilt) it never works. I used the same standard setup CMNET, not username or password etc. No error messages, just it never connects. Maybe the TyTN2 actually does have specific settings.
首先我们进入数据连接菜单里:开始—设置—数据连接原来装有前他的连接都删掉还有拨号连接和VPN连接里都是空的有的话也统统删掉跟着按:GPRS连接 进入再按菜单—添加
描叙:移动梦网GPRS
名称:移动梦网GPRS
连接到:WAP网络
访问点:CMWAP
用户名:留空不用填
密码:留空不用填
主DNS:留空不用填
辅助DNS:留空不用填
IP地址:留空不用填
填写完后按完成.代理服务器—菜单—添加
之后就可以设置代理服务器连接了
描叙:移动梦网GPRS(名称可以随意)
连接方:WAP网络
连接到:Internet
代理服务器:10.0.0.172:80
类型:HTTP
用户名:留空不用填
密码:留空不用填
填写完后按 完成—[另注:这个是用来上WWW的代理]再添加:描述:wap连接方:WAP网络连接到:安全WAP网络代理服务器:10.0.0.172:9201类型:WAP完成.再按完成.[另注:这个是用来直接上WAP的,直接上WAP是在包月里的,不要再代理]完成退出到连接菜单在数据连接菜单中按:菜单—完成选项在我的桌面连接到:选internet网络—完成Internet连接:移动梦网GPRS
工作连接:自动
WAP连接:移动梦网RS
安全WAP连接:wap连接 最后就是按完成退出--接下来最后一步就是打开Ie按菜单—选项—连接选择自动监测设置处不要打勾....选择网络:Internet或者wap安全网络..现在就能够实现通过cmwap接入上wap网站和www网站了
that`s all
China mbile GPRS MMS Setting.
Deall All,
I am Using i-mtate JasJam, WM6.1
I used GPRS.Zip then choose the second item named as "中国移动WAP包月". , now I can brows internet, but ca not send and recieve MMS.
CHINA Mobile.
Best Regards.
mlalahoi said:
Hi,
Also living in China, not Chinese. All you have to do for the China mobile GPRS is change the setting to the following and it works just fine:
1. Go to start>settings>connections>add new connection
2. Call it cmwap, set it as a gprs connection, tap next
3. access point name is CMNET
4. username and password are BOTH "CMNET" all caps
5. leave domain blank
6. tap finish
enjoy
As posted above, do make sure you get a dataplan. They have one for 25RMb a month that includes 200MB of GPRS and 300 text messages.
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mlalahoi,
Thanks for the information!
I'm on CM with the 神州行service.
I applied for the RMB20 package & suddenly, my GPRS settings refused to allow me to connect to the internet.
I made changes to the settings & now I'm good to go.
For the record, these are my settings:
Connects to: Internet
AP: CMNET
Username: CMNET
Password: CMNET
IP Address: 10.0.0.172:9201
I need to input the IP address or else I can't find the website I'm browsing to.
Under Connections | Menu | Advanced | Menu | Options, I configured My Desktop connects to: The Internet.
In Connections | Menu | Advanced, I set my Internet Connection to the entry I created for the GPRS connection above & set the others (Work, WAP & Secure WAP) to Automatic.
Finally, in PIE, I set my connections to Internet & uncheck the Automatically detect settings checkbox.
I'm good to go now.
BTW, what type of service are you on? My RMB20 package comes with only 50Mb of data?!
TIA!
Konker
HTC Startrek w/WM6.1 Standard by Erofich
gprs.zip on samsung omnia i900
charlieluo said:
There indeed is a small app designed especially for this purpose.
Just unpack the files into any folder on your device. Click on DataConnection.exe to open the app, select "remove all" to delete all existing connection configurations, then choose the second item named as "中国移动WAP包月". after all is done, click on cancel to quit. Now ur device is capable of surfing the net and sending/receiving MMS.
Also be sure you have a data connection package, by default the data connection for web browsering via China Mobile is charged at RMB ¥0.03/kb.
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Hi, I got the zipped files onto my Samsung i900 but when i click on "Remove All" it says it did it but I still have modem connections in "Connections". Then, when i select on the WAP option between chinese characters it says "Fail to XML load file." any suggestions?
Thanks!
How to setting wap/gprs and acces internet
Hi I'm,
I'm buy bellwave N81i but couldn't set-up wap/gprs and accessing internet. Anybody can help me? I'm live in Indonesia
thanks
MMS and GPRS setting for the Samsung i900
Hello every one does any one know how to apply the setting for gprs and mms for the i900 samsung
I finally resolved this after a long time. First you have to set up the connection to go to "cmwap", not "cmnet" and configure the proxy settings using one of the methods above. Then you need to configure the MMS mailbox. Open Messaging and choose Tools->Options from the menu. On the list of mailboxes, click on MMS. This opens the configuration. Click the Servers tab and then the New button. Server name is whatever you want, Gateway is 10.0.0.172 (same as proxy), port is 9201 (WAP), Server Address is http://mmmc.monternet.com. The "Connect via" should be the one you already created, then change the WAP version to 1.2. Save this and then on the next screen click on the new name and click on the "Set as Default" button.
Things should now work fine.
Hi i'm expatriate in china and i have a spv c600 from orange, can i use this cellphone for GPRS and MMS if yes how can i setup it ?
Thanks in advance for your help
hey there,your info was very helpfull...i was wondering if you could help with some other issues..i got an htc diamond a month ago and i love it.. but thing is i live in china and i cant find the right pinyin input for my phone...monster chinese and cect are no help.. please assist
another problem is that i have downloaded many games on the phone but most of them wont play..the loading screen comes on and then the screen just goes back to the games folder..please assist..
need help to set GPRS(China Mobile) on P1i
hello guyz , anyone knows to set GPRS on P1i ??
how to make a new internet account for China Mobile ^^
my service is 5 yuan / month ^^
thank you for your answer ^^
Help me plzz
hey friends,
im from pakistan but using china handset, any body can tell me how i set my mms setting in my handset ? waitting for ur reply thanks
oaktree6 said:
Hi, I got the zipped files onto my Samsung i900 but when i click on "Remove All" it says it did it but I still have modem connections in "Connections". Then, when i select on the WAP option between chinese characters it says "Fail to XML load file." any suggestions?
Thanks!
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Hey Friends,
im from pakistan but im using china handset mobile (sigmatel T99i)... anybody know how i set mms setting in my mobile ? plz tell me im waitting ur reply thanks
Hey guys,
I have an i-Star i-8016b but I cannot find any settings or extra languages for it!
Please Help!!
SOS for blackberry storm
hello guyz I'm in China and i'm using a BB Storm, does anyone know how to set GPRS on blackberry storm?? I'm using China Mobile ^^
my service is 50 yuan / month ^^
thank you for your answer

O2 Settings

Hi all,
Just got my S740, which I have to admit is surprisingly good.
My problem getting O2 settings to work.
Is there a .cab?
Tried manual setting but, I am crap at it and always have this initial problem.
Tried the O2 icon in settings, clicked get settings. error 'contact O2 for your settings'.
Anyone please help?
Thanks in anticipation.
SIM card up to date?
Mate is your SIM card up to date? 64k?
Operator services sometime need to interact via STK etc.
Just a thought...
Hi SIM is only 4 weeks old had issues with the settings on my ignito, so O2 sent me a new one.
Any ideas?
so do you miss all settings ?
Or just a bunch...
What do you need ?
APN for internet access, SMS message service number
i.e whats not working for you.....?
Let me know and I will try and find out.
Hi and thanks for your reply.
Everything is working apart from internet and MMS.
Thanks
Then you need your APN details.
Internet access and MMS are both depending on your GPRS settings.
Make sure you get the correct APN adress in your phone.
According to the O2 web, these settings are the correct ones for GPRS.
GPRS access settings
APN: mobile.o2.co.uk
Primary DNS: 193.113.200.200
Secondary: DNS 193.113.200.201
Username: username
Password: password
You might want to doublecheck these settings so that they are the correct ones for YOUR tariff - otherwise you might end up paying more than you should.
Regards,
Martin
btw.
You will find the settings were you add the above at:
Start - Settings - Connections - GPRS.
In here you either edit an existing one, or add a new one (via Menu -Add).
Thanks for the info, these settings I have.
I think the problem is that is it trying to connect to work. What should it be?
Thanks again.
not 100% sure
Have a look at:
http://www.filesaveas.com/mms.html
This might help you
Its tricky for me to verify since I am on a Swedish network.
If you want to connect to the internet set connection to "The Internet".

ROM Issue with MMS Settings

Hi All,
Not a flaming thread at all this but I hope an informative one. I love the Energy ROM and the fact that I mention it here is not to say it is a bad ROM.
I have been battling with MMS settings on my HD2 for a long time. I have never managed to get it to work at all, whatever settings I tried.
The issue it seems was the ROM I was using, the Energy ROM is one in particular. Possibly more but I have had the problem for so long I can't remember what other ROMs gave me problems.
What I can say is that in desperation, ran out of ideas, I tried changing ROMs with the sole intention of testing MMS settings and there it was, I changed to the Artemis ROM and all was well, MMS settings worked.
I am going to do further tests to be 100% sure but one thing I have noticed was that with the Energy ROM I couldn't select 'celular Line (GPRS), it was always greyed out to 'Celular Line'. I think this might have been the problem but as I say some confirmation of that required.
Here are the O2 settings:
http://mobileguide.o2.co.uk/devices/device.jsp?deviceId=614&tab=8&step=2&settingId=2897
I hope this helps someone.
Neo
those data settings are for the mobile data connection, , , mms wont send over that data network. O2 require a wap data modem set up too, purely for mms to send over.
when connectionsetup runs at first boot with an o2 sim, it sets up two data accounts, 'mobile web' and 'o2 active'.
mobile web is for, well, mobile web, and runs at full data speed, and the o2 active account is what the mms server settings are pointed at, and connects to o2's wap server.
have a peek HERE for o2 active settings.
The thing that confused me for ages is that when you go to settings connections connections manage existing connections,, it only shows you the 'mobile web' account, until you go to 'advanced - select networks' and change the top dropdown to 'o2 active', when you can then view/edit that account.
dont forget to change that top dropdown back to mobile web, cos if you leave it set to o2 active (like i did today) it uses the wap server for all your data, which isn't as fast as the mobile web server.
samsamuel said:
The thing that confused me for ages is that when you go to settings connections connections manage existing connections,, it only shows you the 'mobile web' account, until you go to 'advanced - select networks' and change the top dropdown to 'o2 active', when you can then view/edit that account.
dont forget to change that top dropdown back to mobile web, cos if you leave it set to o2 active (like i did today) it uses the wap server for all your data, which isn't as fast as the mobile web server.
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I got confused for a while and spent ages trying to work it out. If you go Settings>Connections>Connections, under here you should find two titled sections, Proxy Internet and My Work Network.
What I have is under:
- Proxy Internet>Manage existing connections: contains the mobile web settings
-My Work Network>Manage existing connections: contains the o2 active settings using wap server.
One other thing to check is go to the Sense Message tab and go: All Messages>Menu>Setting>Options>Menu>MMS Server select the o2 MMS (might be named differently depending on ROM). You'll find a list of server details, don't need to touch these, the only thing to check is "Connect via" option and make sure it points to My Work Network. This will pick up the correct wap settings.
Just thought I'd offer my findings.
Neo_XDA said:
Hi All,
Not a flaming thread at all this but I hope an informative one. I love the Energy ROM and the fact that I mention it here is not to say it is a bad ROM.
I have been battling with MMS settings on my HD2 for a long time. I have never managed to get it to work at all, whatever settings I tried.
The issue it seems was the ROM I was using, the Energy ROM is one in particular. Possibly more but I have had the problem for so long I can't remember what other ROMs gave me problems.
What I can say is that in desperation, ran out of ideas, I tried changing ROMs with the sole intention of testing MMS settings and there it was, I changed to the Artemis ROM and all was well, MMS settings worked.
I am going to do further tests to be 100% sure but one thing I have noticed was that with the Energy ROM I couldn't select 'celular Line (GPRS), it was always greyed out to 'Celular Line'. I think this might have been the problem but as I say some confirmation of that required.
Here are the O2 settings:
http://mobileguide.o2.co.uk/devices/device.jsp?deviceId=614&tab=8&step=2&settingId=2897
I hope this helps someone.
Neo
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Just in case someone follows this link and gets confused, the settings in it are for contract, not pre-pay.
Pre-pay:
APN - payandgo.o2.co.uk
Username - payandgo
Password - password
Proxy Tab - 'This network connects to the internet' should be ticked. That's all. No further details are necessary.
What NRG rom are you using? To avoid having to enter anything manually, after flashing one of NRG's rom, when the phone automatically configure network with O2 SIM at first boot, simply select prepay or contract (postpay?) as appropriate. Soft reset. After phone reboots, hit Start, go into Settings, Connections, Connections, then on the Task tab tap ' Automatically configure connection'. Allow it to do its thing, then soft reset. I haven't had to manually enter data or MMS settings for my O2 prepay sim in an NRG rom for a long time : )

[Q] email problem Tesco APN

Hi guys,
I don't know where else to ask this, it has me totally stumped.
I just changed from O2 to Tesco pay monthly and I can't get my AOL and Gmail accounts to connect.
I've talked through the APN settings with Tesco but they're unable to figure it out either.
I can connect to the internet OK via a browser but my email accounts return an error when I go to inbox and send/receive:
"Cannot Connect", "Cannot connect with current connection settings, to change your conection settings, tap settings"
I've been through it many times without success.
My mail accounts are set up properly, they were working with the O2 SIM, and they connect fine and send/receive over WiFi.
Am I missing something?
(I also have 3 native SD android roms installed on the HD2, they won't even connect to the internet despite my best efforts, phone calls work fine though).
I put the Tesco SIM in an old Wildfire, and it configured correctly straight away
Spent all day googling and trying to figure this out
Help. :crying:
What was the settings they gave you ?
Was it WAP based internet .
What WM ROM are you using, do you have the HTC connection setup link in Settings>Connections as that has Tesco Mobile settings can auto install them.
Mister B said:
What was the settings they gave you ?
Was it WAP based internet .
What WM ROM are you using, do you have the HTC connection setup link in Settings>Connections as that has Tesco Mobile settings can auto install them.
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Thanks for replying
APN: prepay.tesco-mobile.com
Username: tescowap
Password: password
Proxy 193.113.200.195
Port 8080
Yes, I believe it's WAP based.
Rom = 1.66.405.2 WWE
Radio = 2.15.50.14
Yes, I have the connection setup link and I've cleared/reset the database several times.
I also went into Settings>Connections>Advanced>Select Networks and removed all the previous modem settings.
I've used the database settings and also the ones sent by Tesco by text.
Tesco seem to be pretty good, their helpline operator ran through all the settings using his onscreen WM6.5 representation of the HD2's menus (I was surprised they just didn't say "not supported"), but it still doesn't work.
I'm wondering if it could be the Radio Rom, as none of my Android Roms will connect to the internet, (although WM does)
It would be a major task to hard reset, as I have some critical work apps installed and configured just right, so I don't want to do that unless there's no other choice.
If you get another providers sim to work on internet then I doubt it device or radio but rather settings as WAP & proxy is a bit of a pain.
Try the following (I hope has small variation on what you may of tried already !, be sure double check typing & make sure the modem connection has the black selection dot in it once completed; settings>connections>connections>manage existing connections. Add a new modem connection ("New" soft key). Put a appropriate name for new modem connection and choose "cellular line (GPRS)" Next enter apn address, prepay.tesco-mobile.com . Next enter username, tescowap . and password, password . Finish . Under proxy tab , tick "this network uses a proxy.." Put 193.113.200.195 in proxy server box . Tap advanced and put 193.113.200.195:8080 for the first 3 (HTTP, WAP, Secure WAP) and 193.113.200.195:1080 for the last (Socks). Exit from settings then go back in & check you can see the new modem setting & that it the checked connection option, exit again & Soft reset & fingers crossed ...
I'm using a custom WM ROM so don't be put off too much if some details seem named differently.
You may want clean out existing settings or try couple of changes in details if doesn't work :-S
Not a keen fan of your radio version but it is a well used one & I not seen internet connection issues with it but you never know ! so a radio change maybe worth a shot if really come to an end on the settings !
Hi, this is a screenshot of the settings, I think I got it right?
It still doesn't work
instead of port 8080 try 9201 !
I do remember newer builds of Magicall software caused internet connection failure, u happen to have that by any chance !
Port 9201 disables all my internet connection and email still not working
I tried 8080 again, internet back but no email.
I don't have magicall, though I wish I did sometimes
In connections advanced tab under select networks button what do you have selected for programs that automatically connect to the internet ?
Seems it actually connecting in terms of internet means you can't be far off.
Worth running through mail settings & see if anything can be adjusted to help.
Also what mail type is setup here (IMAP/POP3) & does Tesco Mobile have any limitations on mail server connections ?
Mister B said:
In connections advanced tab under select networks button what do you have selected for programs that automatically connect to the internet ?
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Tesco Mobile Test - the one we just set up manually.
Seems it actually connecting in terms of internet means you can't be far off.
Worth running through mail settings & see if anything can be adjusted to help
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I can't find anything except the normal settings to adjust. Plus my email settings work fine over WiFi
.
Also what mail type is setup here (IMAP/POP3) & does Tesco Mobile have any limitations on mail server connections ?
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AOL is IMAP4, I haven't asked Tesco Mobile if they have any specific limitations but the standard settings work fine with the SIM in a Wildfire running Android 2.2, I've gone through all the working settings on the Wildfire to see whether there's anything different there but I can't find anything, though I suppose there might be some small but important setting I've missed
I also tried to set up a gmail account on the HD2, but that doesn't work either

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