Whats the best Radio to use?
been using 3.39.10 b/c, well, it works fine for me and im too lazy to upgrade it. Ive never done an SD upgrade and since it works dont want to go through the format sd card thing, 3.39.10 is where i stay. if it aint broke...
Sorry, but in my opinion, the old "If it ain't broke..." saying doesn't apply to computers/software/mobile devices or anything in the technology field. If that were the case, no one would ever upgrade anything, there would be no market for new stuff, and we wouldn't be as far as we are with technology.
My old 8086 isn't broken, in fact, it works fine for the hardware it has, but have I upgraded?.....
My point, for me atleast, is my radio is working fine, GPS has never been a problem, perfect reception...there is no up side for me to upgrade except boinking something. I should re-phrase...
if it aint broke and it is comparable to newly released technology which will probably not offer significant, if any, benefit and upgrading would only place undue risk on a product for only personal reasons, why fix it.
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I think the newest radio is the best, but find that 3.39 is about as close a second as possible. 3.42.30 is a better balance with good GPS and great radio, but 3.39 may have better GPS for some people with funky GPS reception (location, hardware, karma?). I prefer 3.42.30 and have that loaded right now.
3.42.3 for me but I agree with Serf.....3.39.1 is a close second...
serfboreds said:
I think the newest radio is the best, but find that 3.39 is about as close a second as possible. 3.42.30 is a better balance with good GPS and great radio, but 3.39 may have better GPS for some people with funky GPS reception (location, hardware, karma?). I prefer 3.42.30 and have that loaded right now.
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ditto, I agree serf
gc14 said:
Sorry, but in my opinion, the old "If it ain't broke..." saying doesn't apply to computers/software/mobile devices or anything in the technology field. If that were the case, no one would ever upgrade anything, there would be no market for new stuff, and we wouldn't be as far as we are with technology.
My old 8086 isn't broken, in fact, it works fine for the hardware it has, but have I upgraded?.....
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GC you've previously used 3.42, so why the change to 3.37.71? (the vzw update?)
Also I'll agree with serf like the others
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Lets face it. The new radio sucks horribly. The leaked Rom is very bad as well. Countless problems for almost everyone. Has anyone extracted the gps drivers? I would kill to go back to the 2.17 sprint rom with the gps added on.
Won't work you need the new radio, and rom.
Mine is working without any problems, and the radio is great.
stevenewjersey said:
Lets face it. The new radio sucks horribly. The leaked Rom is very bad as well. Countless problems for almost everyone. Has anyone extracted the gps drivers? I would kill to go back to the 2.17 sprint rom with the gps added on.
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well, the new radio is a BETA after all. and i havent had any problems with it. The new radio is what enables the GPS in the phone, and the 3.16 based roms have the drivers that are needed for gps. so these go hand in hand. you need em both for gps.
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Lets face it. The new radio sucks horribly. The leaked Rom is very bad as well. Countless problems for almost everyone. Has anyone extracted the gps drivers? I would kill to go back to the 2.17 sprint rom with the gps added on.
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No problems for me, works great and couldn't be happier with everyones work on getting the GPS and Rev A to work. I appreciate all the work that people are putting in to get all this going. I guess you'll just have to wait until your carrier releases their updated ROM with GPS enabled, maybe that will be less problematic for you.
I am betting when this is released there will be a newer radio, this is a beta and the radio is at least a couple of months old, I am sure they have done some tweaking since then, at least if they are seeing the same issues one would hope they have tweaked a bit more here and there.
Same goes for the rom piece of it it is an old beta as well they are both 2 months old, so whatever Sprint and/or HTC has been doing for the past 2 months is unknown.
You Sprint folks should all be happy to me it seems Sprint is the only provider that gives half a rats ass. On Telus the last rom came out back in the beginning of July and none of the other Canadian providers that carry this phone have provided any updates whatsoever.
As Fallingup said this is a beta and the issues we are seeing from the radio patch exhibit normal BETA behavior...
Hell even HTC is convinced the Radio isn't ready for Primetime and keep delaying the release! That says to me they have hit some roadblocks they are having trouble dealing with.
It would not surprise me at all if HTC consciously decided to leak this radio so that the community could take a crack at solving those issues and give them some ideas on how to fix the patch.
I am hoping someone in the community is looking at this beta version of radio and looking for ways to improve that....
Cause I'm betting the second someone can tweak that radio to work well, HTC will take that file and use it as a roadmap for an official release!
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Lets face it. The new radio sucks horribly. The leaked Rom is very bad as well. Countless problems for almost everyone. Has anyone extracted the gps drivers? I would kill to go back to the 2.17 sprint rom with the gps added on.
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Some people have terrrible issues. Some have none at all. I have no problems at all. This is the best set up I have had. I am using the new Radio and Bootloader with a variation of DCD 2.2.0 ROM. Working great. What specific ROM are you using?
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Some people have terrrible issues. Some have none at all. I have no problems at all. This is the best set up I have had. I am using the new Radio and Bootloader with a variation of DCD 2.2.0 ROM. Working great. What specific ROM are you using?
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the actual results are somewhere in between...the ones with zero issues either don't use data connect extensively or haven't really run everything through it's paces. How could they the ROM is only a day old! LOL
Others just have issues with the 6.1 OS and still others have issues just flashing. The latter is simply user error and that will always be there no way around that. You have to know those issues will show up even if the perfectly stable ROM gets released.
The Radio is IMO definitly not ready for prime time. between the BT issues, Data Connect and the problem of having to prime the GPS before a navigation software like TomTom can use it there will have to be another update to the radio ROM before we can be sure we gain GPS capability without losing anything else...
Right now Radio appears to be a bit of a tradeoff as opposed to a simple feature addition.
Once an official (as opposed to leaked) radio comes out I think all the REAL problems people are having will go away.
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Cause I'm betting the second someone can tweak that radio to work well, HTC will take that file and use it as a roadmap for an official release!
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That would be funny as hell. Imagine if they ended up using a Radio that someone here on XDA-Dev was tweaking!! I hope they get commisisons
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That would be funny as hell. Imagine if they ended up using a Radio that someone here on XDA-Dev was tweaking!! I hope they get commisisons
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As far as I know nobody here on XDA Dev has actually tweaked a Radio. People put together firmware files from other stuff, and bundle them all together, but to actually fix and recompile a radio file goes much deeper than anyone here handles.
I have had only one problem running dcd 2.10 and 2.20. I have run critically low on memory once. This has never happened before.
But as for the radio and OS, I think my call quality is noticably better than with the stock rom or any of dcd's 1.x rom/radio setups that I have tested.
Oh, just FYI, I'm in Utah. I wonder if the radio issues have to do with a difference in radio hardware on the towers in New Jersey.
After reading for several days and hearing the good the bad and the ugly I opted for the straight leaked rom. No unlocking and all that.
Well so far so good. GPS works, RevA not a real difference so far
Fairly stable. Happy with my beta software until the official release
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Won't work you need the new radio, and rom.
Mine is working without any problems, and the radio is great.
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Yup, me too.
As a matter of fact, I'm not going to go to DCD's 2.2.1 until this current flash (on my phone) bombs. 2.2.0 is working great for me.
For those who claim to have no problems...
Try downloading a file larger than 1 MB in PIE or Opera...
The issue has NOTHING to do with DCD's work...
Definitly the Radio...
There only problems I have seen with the 2.2X Roms DCD has put out is some issues with installing programs on the storage card...
But if I know DCD that will be fixed rather quickly.
I installed the dcd 2.1.0 verizon rom with the v3.27.0 radio (following these instructions:
http://www.phonenews.com/how-to-add-gps-to-htc-mogul-xv6800-p4000-titan-2663/)
and everything went fine but now my device is freezing up and generally not acting healthy. Can anyone vouch for this set up and/or recommend the best current rom for verizon? Im not too concerned with having GPS available (but would be nice), I would really like to have a nice no junk rom above all else. Thanks for any advice.
I haven't had good luck with any of the gps/reva roms on verizon... Seems every rom combination has it's share of quirks/bugs it's just a matter of finding the one that has some u can live with
I'm yet to find one that is FLAWLESS... if you find one let me know!
I have flashed several VZW xv6800s. If you have the 3.35 radio just flash DCDs latest (3.0.4). It runs very smooth. I have no issues except sometimes the GPS fix takes longer. It does everything else. Make sure you Hard reset after flashing.
Edit: sorry guys, was not thinking as i typed. I meant 3.35 radio (the one from the sprint update). Flash the 3.35 or 3.37 radio!
I would suggest using the latest ROM as well. Seems to have made a difference with battery life to me.
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I would suggest using the latest ROM as well. Seems to have made a difference with battery life to me.
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interesting how u guys on vzq have no problems with the reva radios... I was running 3.0.4 for quite a while until I finally canned it because I couldn't deal with apps crashing when switch to other procs... I went back to 1.7 to see if there was a problem there too but everything runs good it seems... am having bluetooth problems locking up device sometimes though so now I'm back to vzw stock radio to see if that fixes things? Actually I have no idea if bluetooth would be affected by radio or not but I'm desperately trying to find a stable setup.
I have flashed several VZW xv6800s. If you have the 3.27 radio just flash DCDs latest (3.0.4). It runs very smooth. I have no issues except sometimes the GPS fix takes longer. It does everything else. Make sure you Hard reset after flashing.
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This is VERY bad advice and will only screw your phone up even more. It says in numerous places on these boards that 3.27 radio is NOT compatible with 3.x.x roms. The only roms that will work with the 3.27 radio are the 2.x.x roms.
My question to you though is why on god's green earth are you still wanting to run a 2.x.x rom with the old crappy buggy beta radio 3.27? Just update with the alltel updater to get radio 3.37.20, don't let customizations run, then flash dcd 3.0.4...much much better and will probably fix your gps problems.
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I have flashed several VZW xv6800s. If you have the 3.27 radio just flash DCDs latest (3.0.4). It runs very smooth. I have no issues except sometimes the GPS fix takes longer. It does everything else. Make sure you Hard reset after flashing.
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Danger!
radio 3.27 is NOT compatible with dcd 3.0.4 rom!!!
1) radio 1.30 or radio 1.40 = use dcd 1.7 (non gps rom)
2) radio 3.27 radio = use ONLY dcd 2.x.x series roms (with gps , revA - experimental)
3) radio 3.37 radio = use dcd 3.0.1 or 3.0.4. (gps and revA official)
my recommendation would be option 1 or 3. Depending on whether you want gps or not.
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interesting how u guys on vzq have no problems with the reva radios... I was running 3.0.4 for quite a while until I finally canned it because I couldn't deal with apps crashing when switch to other procs... I went back to 1.7 to see if there was a problem there too but everything runs good it seems... am having bluetooth problems locking up device sometimes though so now I'm back to vzw stock radio to see if that fixes things? Actually I have no idea if bluetooth would be affected by radio or not but I'm desperately trying to find a stable setup.
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Zen,
I think you might be the victim of a dodgy titan. I was, like you, using 1.7 for the longest time because I couldnt put up with the buggy 3.27 radio. So i just stayed non gps until the new radion 3.35 came out and dcd released 3.x.x series of roms. Since then I bit the bullet and went back to gps rom. I didn't look back. So far dcd rom 3.0.4 + radio 3.37 (alltel) has been the best (i.e reliable) rom setup I have experienced since I was on dcd 1.7.0. I think they are both equal now, except that I have gps enabled now and I dont need to carry my gps with me all the time.
The internal gps does SUCK the battery down kinda fast, but it is reliable. No bluetooth issues that I can see except that call quality is still sub-par but at least it connects without any trouble. If I am using the gps function in the car i use my BT gps because the BT radio uses a lot less juice than the internal gps receiver.
I have VZW just like you and gc, az clown etc and we all have similar good experience with the new setup. So the only other thing I could say about your titan problems is that it must be hardware. Try stock again and see if it clears up the problems then I would say that my reading of your situation is wrong. But from what you have said it seems right.
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Zen,
I think you might be the victim of a dodgy titan. I was, like you, using 1.7 for the longest time because I couldnt put up with the buggy 3.27 radio. So i just stayed non gps until the new radion 3.35 came out and dcd released 3.x.x series of roms. Since then I bit the bullet and went back to gps rom. I didn't look back. So far dcd rom 3.0.4 + radio 3.37 (alltel) has been the best (i.e reliable) rom setup I have experienced since I was on dcd 1.7.0. I think they are both equal now, except that I have gps enabled now and I dont need to carry my gps with me all the time.
The internal gps does SUCK the battery down kinda fast, but it is reliable. No bluetooth issues that I can see except that call quality is still sub-par but at least it connects without any trouble. If I am using the gps function in the car i use my BT gps because the BT radio uses a lot less juice than the internal gps receiver.
I have VZW just like you and gc, az clown etc and we all have similar good experience with the new setup. So the only other thing I could say about your titan problems is that it must be hardware. Try stock again and see if it clears up the problems then I would say that my reading of your situation is wrong. But from what you have said it seems right.
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Well, that's the thing.. when I go to stock everything I have no problems but am stuck with crappy wm6.0... I don't mind not having the gps so much but it def would be nice... However, I do hate having to run an older rom that isn't community-supported any longer due to newer releases...
I think my problem with 3.0.4 might have been the way I flashed the radio.. I was one of the original ones to actually get the dcd released radio installation to work and hadn't really looked back.... im wondering if maybe that was the problem... I might consider trying the sprint rom method to get the radio and then trying 3.0.4 again...
Other than that, I don't see any way to get a warranty replacement on the device if all the stock vzw stuff works without a problem.. only support I ever have logged with vzw for this device is the many many many times I've had hung data connections from switching back and forth to reva/non reva radios so much.... I long for a stable setup so I don't have to deal with this anymore
Other than that, I don't see any way to get a warranty replacement on the device if all the stock vzw stuff works without a problem.. only support I ever have logged with vzw for this device is the many many many times I've had hung data connections from switching back and forth to reva/non reva radios so much.... I long for a stable setup so I don't have to deal with this anymore
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Now I'm not saying I condone this, but man...there are definitely ways to get warranty replacements even if everything works fine...
Just need to "screw things up" on your own Make it so your phone won't boot, bring it to a vzw tech center...cuz they won't know what the hell is wrong with it trust me...and bam they'll swap it out.
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Also, i have had 2 replacement xv6800s. One was for white spot in the bottom left part of the screen. I had to call VZW and tell them they were out of replacements at the store. The other was replaced a week later for data not working.
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Well, that's the thing.. when I go to stock everything I have no problems but am stuck with crappy wm6.0... I don't mind not having the gps so much but it def would be nice... However, I do hate having to run an older rom that isn't community-supported any longer due to newer releases...
I think my problem with 3.0.4 might have been the way I flashed the radio.. I was one of the original ones to actually get the dcd released radio installation to work and hadn't really looked back.... im wondering if maybe that was the problem... I might consider trying the sprint rom method to get the radio and then trying 3.0.4 again...
Other than that, I don't see any way to get a warranty replacement on the device if all the stock vzw stuff works without a problem.. only support I ever have logged with vzw for this device is the many many many times I've had hung data connections from switching back and forth to reva/non reva radios so much.... I long for a stable setup so I don't have to deal with this anymore
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Zen,
go the 'official' route from stock. olipro 2.40. sprint 3.35 official (without allowing customizations) then flash dcd 3.0.4. If you still then have problems then we can isolate your flash before as a potential problem.
if you still have all the same issues then i really think its time for a new titan. If all is well then you can finally relax and enjoy the device.
Good luck
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Zen,
go the 'official' route from stock. olipro 2.40. sprint 3.35 official (without allowing customizations) then flash dcd 3.0.4. If you still then have problems then we can isolate your flash before as a potential problem.
if you still have all the same issues then i really think its time for a new titan. If all is well then you can finally relax and enjoy the device.
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Ya, I actually did the Sprint Flash this time around and things seem to be working better, to my surprise... Things seem to be running a lot better now compared to the radio hack I was using before... I imagine that's the reason dcd killed that link off the forums... although it didn't brick my phone, it obviously was crippling my device quite a bit.
Only thing that worries me (somewhat) about the sprint rom was that it changed the bootup screen (pre os load).. it's now black screen with red lettering showing versions... I have NO idea how that can be reverted back if I ever need to have this thing serviced. That sprint rom appears to totally changed the device.
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Ya, I actually did the Sprint Flash this time around and things seem to be working better, to my surprise... Things seem to be running a lot better now compared to the radio hack I was using before... I imagine that's the reason dcd killed that link off the forums... although it didn't brick my phone, it obviously was crippling my device quite a bit.
Only thing that worries me (somewhat) about the sprint rom was that it changed the bootup screen (pre os load).. it's now black screen with red lettering showing versions... I have NO idea how that can be reverted back if I ever need to have this thing serviced. That sprint rom appears to totally changed the device.
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Flashing of the pre-windows boot screens (i.e. the ones that show up around the time that the red lettered rom versions appear) are not part of the rom. You can't modify them with dcd's kitchen.
There are three options that you have.
1. You can create a mini rom with the splash screens in it that you can flash to the device. I dont know how to do it and dont really care to find out, but gcincotta knows how to do it and posted instructions a few days ago in another post. He can tell you how to do it.
2. You can use the ppcgeeks kitchen to create boot screens and then flash your dcd rom over the top.
3. Flashing a stock verizon, sprint, alltel etc rom will contain the splash screens and put them back on along with the correct (stock) radio and roms. Then you can take your very clean 'stock' titan back to the store for repairs or replacement without fear.
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Flashing of the pre-windows boot screens (i.e. the ones that show up around the time that the red lettered rom versions appear) are not part of the rom. You can't modify them with dcd's kitchen.
There are three options that you have.
1. You can create a mini rom with the splash screens in it that you can flash to the device. I dont know how to do it and dont really care to find out, but gcincotta knows how to do it and posted instructions a few days ago in another post. He can tell you how to do it.
2. You can use the ppcgeeks kitchen to create boot screens and then flash your dcd rom over the top.
3. Flashing a stock verizon, sprint, alltel etc rom will contain the splash screens and put them back on along with the correct (stock) radio and roms. Then you can take your very clean 'stock' titan back to the store for repairs or replacement without fear.
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Interesting.. I've never seen that changed other than this sprint rom... the stock VZW rom images I have just do the OS and Radio separately... I guess when/if I run into a situation where I need to revert back I'll worry about it then.. Until then, the newer boot screen is def cooler
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Now I'm not saying I condone this, but man...there are definitely ways to get warranty replacements even if everything works fine...
Just need to "screw things up" on your own Make it so your phone won't boot, bring it to a vzw tech center...cuz they won't know what the hell is wrong with it trust me...and bam they'll swap it out.
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gc, this is so true. The 'techs' at the verizon stores (bless their hearts) know nothing at all about the titan. you could go in there with a fully "sprintized' titan and seriously they wouldn't notice.
I found this out the first time I tried to flash. I thought I had bricked the device and took it to the "service center" verizon store near my location to get the data back working (yeah that's all the problem was, but I was a noob and didnt know better). They didnt have the slightest idea what to do to solve the problem. They screwed around with it for a while and gave it back, basically the same. they offered to switch it out for me, but I said i will try just a bit longer (and it had a customized 'colonel - ppcgeeks' rom on it - if you have ever seen one it is completely unmistakable - looks nothing like a verizon rom).
I went outside, called *8899 and got a service support tech to fix the phone over the air. The problem had just been the data account needed to be reset at their end. Not only did the guys in the store have no idea how to fix it, they didnt even notice that my device was clearly not stock.
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Interesting.. I've never seen that changed other than this sprint rom... the stock VZW rom images I have just do the OS and Radio separately... I guess when/if I run into a situation where I need to revert back I'll worry about it then.. Until then, the newer boot screen is def cooler
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Yeah, if you do the flashes separately the boot screen never change. I still had the original verizon boot screens until just recently when I did the upgrade to dcd 3.0.4. Its the running of the sprint installer that overwrites your verizon splash, not the rom or the radio themselves.
Anyway, i used the dcd kitchen to create my 3.0.4 rom and selected HTC animation. That creates a HTC splash to overwrite the sprint stuff, and then I did this and this and my machine looks sweet when it boots.
The instructions of how to load them is explained in the thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=379822
Enjoy. (I cant post pics of the screens because the xda database is busted at the moment)
I have to give DCD all the credit in the world. His work has been awesome and I really love that he is in this forum working hard all the time. However, I had many problems with 3.1.2 and radio 3.39. Slow GPS among a lot of other things. I am a sprint user and I did everything properly with flashing etc. My phone worked great except for the GPS which was extremely slow. I decided to revert back.
I put virtually all of the blame on radio 3.39. I think that it is still in development therefore it is not ready for release. Also I think that the carrier cabs that need to be installed with 3.1.2 are also an issue.
After reverting back to 3.0.4 and radio 3.35 I can say that things are dramatically improved. My GPS locks in seconds everytime. 3.39 took so long that it was useless. I do not have internet issue nor outlook issues with 3.35 either.
So... I suggest that anyone who is having problems with 3.39 go back to 3.35 radio and also back to dcd3.0.4
I highly suggest that you first install the official sprint 3.35 release and make sure you let the customizations run as well for carrier cabs. Then flash 3.0.4. After flashing do a hard reset to make sure all kinks are out. Stick with radio 3.35 and 3.0.4 if you are having issues with 3.39 and 3.1.2.
I hope any of this made sense. If you do not know what 3.39, 3.35, 3.0.4, or 3.1.2 means then dont touch a thing
I have to give DCD all the credit in the world. His work has been awesome and I really love that he is in this forum working hard all the time. However, I had many problems with 3.1.2 and radio 3.39. Slow GPS among a lot of other things. I am a sprint user and I did everything properly with flashing etc. My phone worked great except for the GPS which was extremely slow. I decided to revert back.
I put virtually all of the blame on radio 3.39. I think that it is still in development therefore it is not ready for release. Also I think that the carrier cabs that need to be installed with 3.1.2 are also an issue.
After reverting back to 3.0.4 and radio 3.35 I can say that things are dramatically improved. My GPS locks in seconds everytime. 3.39 took so long that it was useless. I do not have internet issue nor outlook issues with 3.35 either.
So... I suggest that anyone who is having problems with 3.39 go back to 3.35 radio and also back to dcd3.0.4
I highly suggest that you first install the official sprint 3.35 release and make sure you let the customizations run as well for carrier cabs. Then flash 3.0.4. After flashing do a hard reset to make sure all kinks are out. Stick with radio 3.35 and 3.0.4 if you are having issues with 3.39 and 3.1.2.
I hope any of this made sense. If you do not know what 3.39, 3.35, 3.0.4, or 3.1.2 means then dont touch a thing
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Dude hold on a sec....before you go scaring everyone away from 3.1.2 and 3.39.10....did you say you were on Sprint and had extremely slow GPS?
Sprint users have NO excuse for not having instant locks with GPS. If you would have read the stickies at the top of this forum you would have found your answer for INSTANT GPS locks. It has nothing to do with what rom/radio you're using and EVERYTHING to do with what PRI version you have.
Personally, I have found absolutely nothing wrong with 3.1.2 and 3.39.10 and have used both for a while (no longer using 3.1.2 due to testing new builds, but STILL using 3.39.10).
A little reading of the important stuff goes a long way...
Not trying to scare anyone at all. I just saw that there were some posts about gps stuff and problems. I am in now way taking anything away from dcd or his kitchens/roms. DCD knows that I am a big fan of his and I have also tested his stuff. I am just trying to help those who are having issues, that is all.
Just the same way that we all have different programs that suit our needs, each of the current DCD Roms and other radio options offers some balance to some, and has drawbacks for others.
Some Roms have more beta feel, which gives some an edge and functionality that they can use. Some can't live with the buggy stuff (or figure out workarounds) so they keep what is familiar. This stuff is fun, lets keep it that way and let people brick their phone if they are talented enough to do it.
I went back to 304 myself because i couldn't get NoData working on 312. sounds like a chump reason but at 12$ a mb its a very important program to me. I kept radio 3.39 and have never had trouble with the GPS. Infact, when I compare the acquisition time of the titan to my Garmin Rhino and previous GPS units I'm still amazed at how fast all of the radio ROMs pick up GPS. Its totally comparable to a dedicated GPS unit. However, I'm on Telus.
All of the roms DCD has produced have been far better than stock, so this is in no way a complaint! Keep up the good work guys.
Ps. Is there a NoData like program that works on 3.12?
i've mentioned this before, but while 3.12 and radio 3.39 seem solid, i have experienced the same things. My GPS takes 5-7 minutes to lock, and when it does, it's normally 1/2-1 mile off. I didn't have these issues when i was with 3.04 and 3.37 (Alltel user here), but no complaints, the rest seems solid, so i've lived with GPS since i upgraded.
Like I said in the other thread...we've been working on a gps fix. Testing it now.
Yea I was going to test the GPS fix for 3.39 but I had to go back because I need the GPS too much.
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Like I said in the other thread...we've been working on a gps fix. Testing it now.
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I guess people dont want to read you lol
Thanks for the info!
Yea I was going to test the GPS fix for 3.39 but I had to go back because I need the GPS too much.
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Dude...you have Sprint!! You don't need to test that fix, you HAVE a fix that works. It's posted in the GPS sticky thread AND I made another thread dedicated to it....
My Sprint GPS is almost instant with DCD 3.1.2 and I didn't even have to read a sticky
My Sprint GPS is almost instant with DCD 3.1.2 and I didn't even have to read a sticky
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What is your PRI Version in Device Information?
PRI Version: 2.03_003
PRI Version: 2.03_003
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Ahh see...you have the updated PRI...
Now if all the Sprint users complaining about slow GPS would just read my post....
I've been on 3.04 and 3.35 radio for the whole time... I have no issues with anything. Phoen works great, reception is superb.
I'm sure DCD is cooking some crazy ****, and when he comes out with a major upgrade, but I dont see a need to reflash everytime there is a minor change made.
but I dont see a need to reflash everytime there is a minor change made.
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You do read the changelog right? Did you not see the changes made in 3.1.2 from 3.0.4. I wouldn't say they're "minor"
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Ahh see...you have the updated PRI...
Now if all the Sprint users complaining about slow GPS would just read my post....
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I'm running DCD 3.1.2 Radio 3.39.10 and PRI Ver. 2.00_003 and I get almost instant locks on GPS. I have no problems with GPS locking!!! Must be something in your machine.
I'm running DCD 3.1.2 Radio 3.39.10 and PRI Ver. 2.00_003 and I get almost instant locks on GPS. I have no problems with GPS locking!!! Must be something in your machine.
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....... huh?
Ok so here is a quick question for you. I got my new device and whats better to flash on it? DCD or the new VZW release? Let me know and I will do it?
DCD is way ahead of the curb to any software release from any company, with his software it pays in spades what you originally got from the phone out of the box. GPS, PAN, DUN, sting SMS, faster better use of CPU and RAM the list is endless. hands down DCD's ROM is the industry standard.
the added value to the phone is nothing short of outstanding.
no question. dcd.
There is absolutely no way you can dobetter than DCD's Roms.
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Ok so here is a quick question for you. I got my new device and whats better to flash on it? DCD or the new VZW release? Let me know and I will do it?
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Oh boy, don't get me started. Read my rants in the thread I started about the official release. The only think worse you could do to your phone other than putting the VZW release on it is running it over with your car after pulling it out of the back of a dump truck thats filled with molten lava, uranium, and fast flying neutrino radiation. I would rather try conjuring the spirits of my dead grand mother in hopes that she could build a better ROM than this crappy, late to the game, outdated months before it came out, non supported, lacking GPS , bullsh*t ass VZW ROM.
I guess what I am trying to say is I would go with DCD's ROM ;c)
DISCLAIMER: Before anyone gets offended, this is solely my opinion (granted taken to an extreme!). Thank you for taking the time to view.
what i think is sad is all the people who won't flash anything but stock have suffered through all these months with 2.09 only to be rewarded with a crippled 6.1 with useless gps.
at least now you can unlock and flash to dcd knowing that you can revert to stock without bricking since you now have a stock gps rom. that is going to be the only thing this rom is good for.
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what i think is sad is all the people who won't flash anything but stock have suffered through all these months with 2.09 only to be rewarded with a crippled 6.1 with useless gps.
at least now you can unlock and flash to dcd knowing that you can revert to stock without bricking since you now have a stock gps rom. that is going to be the only thing this rom is good for.
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Hey, that is a good point I didn't think about. We can use this to flash if we hose our phones.
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what i think is sad is all the people who won't flash anything but stock have suffered through all these months with 2.09 only to be rewarded with a crippled 6.1 with useless gps.
at least now you can unlock and flash to dcd knowing that you can revert to stock without bricking since you now have a stock gps rom. that is going to be the only thing this rom is good for.
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LOL
Why do people continue to insist that the phone GPS is all that and a side of fries?
Has it ever occurred to you that some people dont give a rat's behind about GPS functionality on their phone? Guess what, I dont - I have a dedicated autonomous GPS which blows the crap out of anything you will get on your 6800's "gps" function.
Its not all about GPS you know - imagine that? There is a universe where things other than GPS is important
I've also tried a few of dcd's roms - great stuff - no doubt about it. But for the apps I run, the stock ROM seems to be better - blows your mind, I know.
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I have a dedicated autonomous GPS which blows the crap out of anything you will get on your 6800's "gps" function.
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What will your gps do that my Titan won't?
I would like to know what apps run better on the stock ROM. Seriously... I want to know.
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What will your gps do that my Titan won't?
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Are you kidding me? Do you even own a dedicated GPS unit like a Garmin or Magellan?
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I would like to know what apps run better on the stock ROM. Seriously... I want to know.
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I have a number of dedicated business and medical applications that run better with the stock rom than a few custom roms I've tried. For what/how I use my 6800 for, stock edges out custom roms.
If you use your 6800 like a toy, than its possible that a dcd or similar rom offers benefits. But for my purposes, the custom roms werent cutting.
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Are you kidding me? Do you even own a dedicated GPS unit like a Garmin or Magellan?
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No, but I run Garmin and TomTom on my Titan, so what can yours do that mine can't? Anything?
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No, but I run Garmin and TomTom on my Titan, so what can yours do that mine can't? Anything?
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Sorry, but those applications are just that - applications. They arent the same thing as what you can get on a dedicated unit. They are nothing more than maps - just like mapquest
But if you want something that a dedicated GPS unit can do that the 6800 cant with GPS enabled I'll tell you....
Real-Time traffic
And no, you dont have true real-time traffic on the 6800 since it isnt capable of accepting FM RDS signals
Listen, there is no sense arguing about it further - if you are happy with the GPS on the 6800 then isnt that what matters? I was not, hence, the reason I dont care about the whole GPS/custom rom thing. Enabling GPS on the 6800 was such a low priority for me since I didnt need it.
If you are happy with it and it serves your needs, then great.
If you want to continue this conversation, PM me - no sense clogging up this thread anymore
Well, I asked. I have never ran one of those programs so I have no idea how they compare to stock/DCD roms.
I use my device like a "toy" as much as I use it for e-mail, Excel editing and other business type applications.
Thanks for educating us.
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Sorry, but those applications are just that - applications. They arent the same thing as what you can get on a dedicated unit. They are nothing more than maps - just like mapquest
But if you want something that a dedicated GPS unit can do that the 6800 cant with GPS enabled I'll tell you....
Real-Time traffic
And no, you dont have true real-time traffic on the 6800 since it isnt capable of accepting FM RDS signals
Listen, there is no sense arguing about it further - if you are happy with the GPS on the 6800 then isnt that what matters? I was not, hence, the reason I dont care about the whole GPS/custom rom thing. Enabling GPS on the 6800 was such a low priority for me since I didnt need it.
If you are happy with it and it serves your needs, then great.
If you want to continue this conversation, PM me - no sense clogging up this thread anymore
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I usually refrain from posting, but err wha? This confusingly senseless posts seems to have dragged me out of my cave...
Is FM not only used as a very low cost alternative to using Cell Phone Data Networks? It is the same network built out by MS to support their MSN Direct Watches that they are now leasing to services like Garmin for GPS Traffic... Since the tech you mentioned is simply there to give the "real" GPS device access to data, how is it any "better"?
Do they release updates to their non-PDA GPS setups faster? Otherwise, it should be the same (provided the cell phone has data coverage)...
Unless Garmin doesn't provide real time traffic at all on their PDA stuff?
I too am curious on the apps though... As DCD 3.2.6 is the fastest ROM I've ever touched on my Mogul (not saying much since I've only owned it 1.5 months and have only ran Stock + Stock latest + DCD 3.2.5 and 3.2.6). It runs everything faster and just "better".
I don't use my PDA as a "toy" so I'd recommend you not lump anyone who doesn't do exactly what you do into the kid with a toy category.
Depending on your applications needs you might be better off using the kitchen for DCD roms to be sure the stuff you need is included.
I had to add the Enterprise option to my ROM so it would sync with my exchange server (as my phone has to be able to enforce my corporate exchange policies).
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I usually refrain from posting, but err wha? This confusingly senseless posts seems to have dragged me out of my cave...
Is FM not only used as a very low cost alternative to using Cell Phone Data Networks? It is the same network built out by MS to support their MSN Direct Watches that they are now leasing to services like Garmin for GPS Traffic... Since the tech you mentioned is simply there to give the "real" GPS device access to data, how is it any "better"?
Do they release updates to their non-PDA GPS setups faster? Otherwise, it should be the same (provided the cell phone has data coverage)...
Unless Garmin doesn't provide real time traffic at all on their PDA stuff?...
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Its only a pointless post if you didnt go back far enough in the thread to see where someone was asking me about something specific.
Either the 6800 is capable of receiving live traffic updates or its not - it obviously cant get RDS so we know its not getting updates there. Can it get it over another network?
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I too am curious on the apps though... As DCD 3.2.6 is the fastest ROM I've ever touched on my Mogul (not saying much since I've only owned it 1.5 months and have only ran Stock + Stock latest + DCD 3.2.5 and 3.2.6). It runs everything faster and just "better".
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Sorry but I tried 3.2.5 and 3.2.6 and found the stock rom to be faster
I love how people try to tell me that the custom rom is faster and that I must be mistaken - arguing with someone over their experience with anything is completely pointless. If in your use dcd's rom was faster, then great - in my experience it was not and hence I went back to the stock rom (unhappily since at that time I had to give up RevA)
I don't use my PDA as a "toy" so I'd recommend you not lump anyone who doesn't do exactly what you do into the kid with a toy category.
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Point well taken - my apologies
Depending on your applications needs you might be better off using the kitchen for DCD roms to be sure the stuff you need is included.
I had to add the Enterprise option to my ROM so it would sync with my exchange server (as my phone has to be able to enforce my corporate exchange policies).
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EXACTLY! Thats what I've been saying all along - depending on your needs, the stock rom will be fine or you may need to go with a custom rom
Now we are back on topic
My TomTom software pulls real-time traffic. Live Search can even pull the traffic in real time..provided you have a data connection.
That is the real difference, not that it cannot get the traffic but the method it does and if it costs anything. I got the unlimited data so it is a non-issue to me, but with a limited data plan a dedicated GPS will win out based on that function alone.
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I have a number of dedicated business and medical applications that run better with the stock rom than a few custom roms I've tried. For what/how I use my 6800 for, stock edges out custom roms.
If you use your 6800 like a toy, than its possible that a dcd or similar rom offers benefits. But for my purposes, the custom roms werent cutting.
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What medical app runs better on a stock ROM than on a dcd ROM? Please name any specific app? Lexi-...? PocketMed? Harrison's? Even Epocrates?
If you're going to make this claim publicly, back it up with ANY specific app you've used which runs better on stock in your opinion so others can weigh in or test your claims. That's only fair when you're slandering dcd ROM's as better for "play" than "work." If you have "a number of..... apps that run better with the stock rom" surely you can name at least one, but I notice you don't.
I say, put up or shut up.
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Sorry, but those applications are just that - applications. They arent the same thing as what you can get on a dedicated unit. They are nothing more than maps - just like mapquest
But if you want something that a dedicated GPS unit can do that the 6800 cant with GPS enabled I'll tell you....
Real-Time traffic
And no, you dont have true real-time traffic on the 6800 since it isnt capable of accepting FM RDS signals
Listen, there is no sense arguing about it further - if you are happy with the GPS on the 6800 then isnt that what matters? I was not, hence, the reason I dont care about the whole GPS/custom rom thing. Enabling GPS on the 6800 was such a low priority for me since I didnt need it.
If you are happy with it and it serves your needs, then great.
If you want to continue this conversation, PM me - no sense clogging up this thread anymore
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Then why waste your time posting here then? If stock if great for you then why waste your time on a forum for making custom ROMs? I think the GPS in the Titan is just as good as any hand held. TomTom, Live Search, Google Maps and others all can receive realtime traffic through the standard data network. Also TomTom devices are Windows CE embedded devices and use bluetooth connection to a data phone for the real time traffic and other services. So for me having one unit that I can carry to do GPS, email (work and personal), Geocaching, Bible, and internet search is invaluable. Since VZW seems to want to charge for using the GPS then we have DCD. If you don't care about the internal GPS then be happy with the stock ROMs. Better or faster is a matter of opinion that is true, but if I don't have to deal with all the bloatware that comes with the stock ROM the less that will take up precious memory. For me DCD/GC has made my phone a tool that enables me to work outside of my office, it is definitely not a toy.
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Its only a pointless post if you didnt go back far enough in the thread to see where someone was asking me about something specific.
Either the 6800 is capable of receiving live traffic updates or its not - it obviously cant get RDS so we know its not getting updates there. Can it get it over another network?
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I've read every page of this thread prior to posting. I read far more than I post by a long shot. I rarely post without listening (reading) first.
I posted because FM RDS is simply a data connection. Nothing more, Nothing less. With that in mind it would mean as long as the 6800 has a data connection it should show the same exact traffic information as a standalone "real" GPS device, unless either real-time traffic isn't a provided feature or the traffic provider prioritizes one device class over another.
Sorry but I tried 3.2.5 and 3.2.6 and found the stock rom to be faster
I love how people try to tell me that the custom rom is faster and that I must be mistaken - arguing with someone over their experience with anything is completely pointless. If in your use dcd's rom was faster, then great - in my experience it was not and hence I went back to the stock rom (unhappily since at that time I had to give up RevA)
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I wasn't slamming you as being inaccurate in your usage findings. There are far too many variations of this device to be absolutely certain they don't have more than just cosmetic differences. I was just adding to the thread collective my experience of DCD being a LOT faster than stock. As I also pointed out, my experience with the Mogul doesn't run that long. I just recently moved to it from my HTC Wizard.
Although it does help if you cite specifics. Such as "App XYZ runs faster" or whatnot so someone else using it can chime in and agree or what not. Unless you wrote the app for yourself you can't assume none of us run it
I recently upgraded from Titan Radio ROM 3.42.30 to Titan Radio ROM 3.42.50 along with DCD 2.3.6.
I noticed my GPS is ALOT more jumpy around buildings when I'm downtown.
Is it possible that an older Radio allows a GPS chip to work better than a newer one? I'm asking because I see alot of people stay with old Radios and I always wonder why.
Anyone at all?
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Anyone at all?
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Not sure. Some say the earlier ones do. You can downgrade anytime. won't hurt any of your other software.
Well, 3.42.50 is ported from a Vogue, so maybe you should try 3.42.40 which is the newest native titan radio.
The radios do not make any difference.... Just find one that "you" perceive to be the best one for you......
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Well, 3.42.50 is ported from a Vogue, so maybe you should try 3.42.40 which is the newest native titan radio.
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Interesting, I just did some more searching and it seems like alot of titan owners are complaining from x.50. Gonna switch to x.40 tonight
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The radios do not make any difference.... Just find one that "you" perceive to be the best one for you......
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I'm not the only one complaining about x.50 and GPS.
I"ve had the same issue with both .40 and .50. From what I remember, .50 skipped so much in some places that it would lose the satellite lock completely for a few seconds to a minute or more when I was using it while in the car. .40 is a little better, it doesn't seem to lose the lock nearly as much, if at all, but it does seem more "jumpy" than .30 was. I am testing .50 again right now to see if anything has changed.
I started with .30 had decent GPS locks, tho it was never under 2 minutes. .50 next, it's GPS was about the same on lock time but did disconnect from time to time, now on .40, still long locks, and in some cases 10+ minutes before it locks, a lot less disconnects.
Why was it we upgraded from .30? Did .40 or .50 offer anything other than slightly better signal? Where I live I can't tell a difference in signal, it just works. Anywhere in my town, even 8 miles out into the county, it just worked.
What would be any downsides with me rolling back to .30? At least it was more consistent on GPS locks.
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