VZW vs DCD - Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development

Ok so here is a quick question for you. I got my new device and whats better to flash on it? DCD or the new VZW release? Let me know and I will do it?

DCD is way ahead of the curb to any software release from any company, with his software it pays in spades what you originally got from the phone out of the box. GPS, PAN, DUN, sting SMS, faster better use of CPU and RAM the list is endless. hands down DCD's ROM is the industry standard.
the added value to the phone is nothing short of outstanding.

no question. dcd.

There is absolutely no way you can dobetter than DCD's Roms.

JukEboXAuDiO said:
Ok so here is a quick question for you. I got my new device and whats better to flash on it? DCD or the new VZW release? Let me know and I will do it?
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Oh boy, don't get me started. Read my rants in the thread I started about the official release. The only think worse you could do to your phone other than putting the VZW release on it is running it over with your car after pulling it out of the back of a dump truck thats filled with molten lava, uranium, and fast flying neutrino radiation. I would rather try conjuring the spirits of my dead grand mother in hopes that she could build a better ROM than this crappy, late to the game, outdated months before it came out, non supported, lacking GPS , bullsh*t ass VZW ROM.
I guess what I am trying to say is I would go with DCD's ROM ;c)
DISCLAIMER: Before anyone gets offended, this is solely my opinion (granted taken to an extreme!). Thank you for taking the time to view.

what i think is sad is all the people who won't flash anything but stock have suffered through all these months with 2.09 only to be rewarded with a crippled 6.1 with useless gps.
at least now you can unlock and flash to dcd knowing that you can revert to stock without bricking since you now have a stock gps rom. that is going to be the only thing this rom is good for.

lafester said:
what i think is sad is all the people who won't flash anything but stock have suffered through all these months with 2.09 only to be rewarded with a crippled 6.1 with useless gps.
at least now you can unlock and flash to dcd knowing that you can revert to stock without bricking since you now have a stock gps rom. that is going to be the only thing this rom is good for.
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Hey, that is a good point I didn't think about. We can use this to flash if we hose our phones.

lafester said:
what i think is sad is all the people who won't flash anything but stock have suffered through all these months with 2.09 only to be rewarded with a crippled 6.1 with useless gps.
at least now you can unlock and flash to dcd knowing that you can revert to stock without bricking since you now have a stock gps rom. that is going to be the only thing this rom is good for.
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LOL
Why do people continue to insist that the phone GPS is all that and a side of fries?
Has it ever occurred to you that some people dont give a rat's behind about GPS functionality on their phone? Guess what, I dont - I have a dedicated autonomous GPS which blows the crap out of anything you will get on your 6800's "gps" function.
Its not all about GPS you know - imagine that? There is a universe where things other than GPS is important
I've also tried a few of dcd's roms - great stuff - no doubt about it. But for the apps I run, the stock ROM seems to be better - blows your mind, I know.

deeznuts2 said:
LOL
I have a dedicated autonomous GPS which blows the crap out of anything you will get on your 6800's "gps" function.
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What will your gps do that my Titan won't?

I would like to know what apps run better on the stock ROM. Seriously... I want to know.

indagroove said:
What will your gps do that my Titan won't?
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Are you kidding me? Do you even own a dedicated GPS unit like a Garmin or Magellan?
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I would like to know what apps run better on the stock ROM. Seriously... I want to know.
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I have a number of dedicated business and medical applications that run better with the stock rom than a few custom roms I've tried. For what/how I use my 6800 for, stock edges out custom roms.
If you use your 6800 like a toy, than its possible that a dcd or similar rom offers benefits. But for my purposes, the custom roms werent cutting.

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Are you kidding me? Do you even own a dedicated GPS unit like a Garmin or Magellan?
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No, but I run Garmin and TomTom on my Titan, so what can yours do that mine can't? Anything?

indagroove said:
No, but I run Garmin and TomTom on my Titan, so what can yours do that mine can't? Anything?
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Sorry, but those applications are just that - applications. They arent the same thing as what you can get on a dedicated unit. They are nothing more than maps - just like mapquest
But if you want something that a dedicated GPS unit can do that the 6800 cant with GPS enabled I'll tell you....
Real-Time traffic
And no, you dont have true real-time traffic on the 6800 since it isnt capable of accepting FM RDS signals
Listen, there is no sense arguing about it further - if you are happy with the GPS on the 6800 then isnt that what matters? I was not, hence, the reason I dont care about the whole GPS/custom rom thing. Enabling GPS on the 6800 was such a low priority for me since I didnt need it.
If you are happy with it and it serves your needs, then great.
If you want to continue this conversation, PM me - no sense clogging up this thread anymore

Well, I asked. I have never ran one of those programs so I have no idea how they compare to stock/DCD roms.
I use my device like a "toy" as much as I use it for e-mail, Excel editing and other business type applications.
Thanks for educating us.

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Sorry, but those applications are just that - applications. They arent the same thing as what you can get on a dedicated unit. They are nothing more than maps - just like mapquest
But if you want something that a dedicated GPS unit can do that the 6800 cant with GPS enabled I'll tell you....
Real-Time traffic
And no, you dont have true real-time traffic on the 6800 since it isnt capable of accepting FM RDS signals
Listen, there is no sense arguing about it further - if you are happy with the GPS on the 6800 then isnt that what matters? I was not, hence, the reason I dont care about the whole GPS/custom rom thing. Enabling GPS on the 6800 was such a low priority for me since I didnt need it.
If you are happy with it and it serves your needs, then great.
If you want to continue this conversation, PM me - no sense clogging up this thread anymore
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I usually refrain from posting, but err wha? This confusingly senseless posts seems to have dragged me out of my cave...
Is FM not only used as a very low cost alternative to using Cell Phone Data Networks? It is the same network built out by MS to support their MSN Direct Watches that they are now leasing to services like Garmin for GPS Traffic... Since the tech you mentioned is simply there to give the "real" GPS device access to data, how is it any "better"?
Do they release updates to their non-PDA GPS setups faster? Otherwise, it should be the same (provided the cell phone has data coverage)...
Unless Garmin doesn't provide real time traffic at all on their PDA stuff?
I too am curious on the apps though... As DCD 3.2.6 is the fastest ROM I've ever touched on my Mogul (not saying much since I've only owned it 1.5 months and have only ran Stock + Stock latest + DCD 3.2.5 and 3.2.6). It runs everything faster and just "better".
I don't use my PDA as a "toy" so I'd recommend you not lump anyone who doesn't do exactly what you do into the kid with a toy category.
Depending on your applications needs you might be better off using the kitchen for DCD roms to be sure the stuff you need is included.
I had to add the Enterprise option to my ROM so it would sync with my exchange server (as my phone has to be able to enforce my corporate exchange policies).

frazell said:
I usually refrain from posting, but err wha? This confusingly senseless posts seems to have dragged me out of my cave...
Is FM not only used as a very low cost alternative to using Cell Phone Data Networks? It is the same network built out by MS to support their MSN Direct Watches that they are now leasing to services like Garmin for GPS Traffic... Since the tech you mentioned is simply there to give the "real" GPS device access to data, how is it any "better"?
Do they release updates to their non-PDA GPS setups faster? Otherwise, it should be the same (provided the cell phone has data coverage)...
Unless Garmin doesn't provide real time traffic at all on their PDA stuff?...
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Its only a pointless post if you didnt go back far enough in the thread to see where someone was asking me about something specific.
Either the 6800 is capable of receiving live traffic updates or its not - it obviously cant get RDS so we know its not getting updates there. Can it get it over another network?
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I too am curious on the apps though... As DCD 3.2.6 is the fastest ROM I've ever touched on my Mogul (not saying much since I've only owned it 1.5 months and have only ran Stock + Stock latest + DCD 3.2.5 and 3.2.6). It runs everything faster and just "better".
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Sorry but I tried 3.2.5 and 3.2.6 and found the stock rom to be faster
I love how people try to tell me that the custom rom is faster and that I must be mistaken - arguing with someone over their experience with anything is completely pointless. If in your use dcd's rom was faster, then great - in my experience it was not and hence I went back to the stock rom (unhappily since at that time I had to give up RevA)
I don't use my PDA as a "toy" so I'd recommend you not lump anyone who doesn't do exactly what you do into the kid with a toy category.
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Point well taken - my apologies
Depending on your applications needs you might be better off using the kitchen for DCD roms to be sure the stuff you need is included.
I had to add the Enterprise option to my ROM so it would sync with my exchange server (as my phone has to be able to enforce my corporate exchange policies).
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EXACTLY! Thats what I've been saying all along - depending on your needs, the stock rom will be fine or you may need to go with a custom rom
Now we are back on topic

My TomTom software pulls real-time traffic. Live Search can even pull the traffic in real time..provided you have a data connection.
That is the real difference, not that it cannot get the traffic but the method it does and if it costs anything. I got the unlimited data so it is a non-issue to me, but with a limited data plan a dedicated GPS will win out based on that function alone.

deeznuts2 said:
I have a number of dedicated business and medical applications that run better with the stock rom than a few custom roms I've tried. For what/how I use my 6800 for, stock edges out custom roms.
If you use your 6800 like a toy, than its possible that a dcd or similar rom offers benefits. But for my purposes, the custom roms werent cutting.
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What medical app runs better on a stock ROM than on a dcd ROM? Please name any specific app? Lexi-...? PocketMed? Harrison's? Even Epocrates?
If you're going to make this claim publicly, back it up with ANY specific app you've used which runs better on stock in your opinion so others can weigh in or test your claims. That's only fair when you're slandering dcd ROM's as better for "play" than "work." If you have "a number of..... apps that run better with the stock rom" surely you can name at least one, but I notice you don't.
I say, put up or shut up.

deeznuts2 said:
Sorry, but those applications are just that - applications. They arent the same thing as what you can get on a dedicated unit. They are nothing more than maps - just like mapquest
But if you want something that a dedicated GPS unit can do that the 6800 cant with GPS enabled I'll tell you....
Real-Time traffic
And no, you dont have true real-time traffic on the 6800 since it isnt capable of accepting FM RDS signals
Listen, there is no sense arguing about it further - if you are happy with the GPS on the 6800 then isnt that what matters? I was not, hence, the reason I dont care about the whole GPS/custom rom thing. Enabling GPS on the 6800 was such a low priority for me since I didnt need it.
If you are happy with it and it serves your needs, then great.
If you want to continue this conversation, PM me - no sense clogging up this thread anymore
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Then why waste your time posting here then? If stock if great for you then why waste your time on a forum for making custom ROMs? I think the GPS in the Titan is just as good as any hand held. TomTom, Live Search, Google Maps and others all can receive realtime traffic through the standard data network. Also TomTom devices are Windows CE embedded devices and use bluetooth connection to a data phone for the real time traffic and other services. So for me having one unit that I can carry to do GPS, email (work and personal), Geocaching, Bible, and internet search is invaluable. Since VZW seems to want to charge for using the GPS then we have DCD. If you don't care about the internal GPS then be happy with the stock ROMs. Better or faster is a matter of opinion that is true, but if I don't have to deal with all the bloatware that comes with the stock ROM the less that will take up precious memory. For me DCD/GC has made my phone a tool that enables me to work outside of my office, it is definitely not a toy.

deeznuts2 said:
Its only a pointless post if you didnt go back far enough in the thread to see where someone was asking me about something specific.
Either the 6800 is capable of receiving live traffic updates or its not - it obviously cant get RDS so we know its not getting updates there. Can it get it over another network?
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I've read every page of this thread prior to posting. I read far more than I post by a long shot. I rarely post without listening (reading) first.
I posted because FM RDS is simply a data connection. Nothing more, Nothing less. With that in mind it would mean as long as the 6800 has a data connection it should show the same exact traffic information as a standalone "real" GPS device, unless either real-time traffic isn't a provided feature or the traffic provider prioritizes one device class over another.
Sorry but I tried 3.2.5 and 3.2.6 and found the stock rom to be faster
I love how people try to tell me that the custom rom is faster and that I must be mistaken - arguing with someone over their experience with anything is completely pointless. If in your use dcd's rom was faster, then great - in my experience it was not and hence I went back to the stock rom (unhappily since at that time I had to give up RevA)
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I wasn't slamming you as being inaccurate in your usage findings. There are far too many variations of this device to be absolutely certain they don't have more than just cosmetic differences. I was just adding to the thread collective my experience of DCD being a LOT faster than stock. As I also pointed out, my experience with the Mogul doesn't run that long. I just recently moved to it from my HTC Wizard.
Although it does help if you cite specifics. Such as "App XYZ runs faster" or whatnot so someone else using it can chime in and agree or what not. Unless you wrote the app for yourself you can't assume none of us run it

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VZW stock rom faster than dcd 3.2.5

I dont care what anyone says - the stock rom is faster.
I've been using dcd 3.2.5 for almost a week - like the Rev-A, dont care for the GPS, rest is pretty good.
But I could swear that it was not as responsive as the stock.
So I just got down reflashing the stock rom tonight - sure enough, the phone is much more responsive.
I'm curious as to other's experience since many think that dcd 3.2.5 is faster (just not in my experience)
So now I'll be waiting for the official VZW upgrade sometime this century...
normally, i wouldn't butt in on this; but i've noticed my phone has been much less responsive...
I'm not going to blame anyone or anything yet, but for example, when I'm drafting up a text, I can't even add recipients from my contacts, it just sits there and 'searches' forever...
but yeah, that's just my rant for today
I really do appreciate everyone's work and I try to help out the community wherever I can, so I'm not bashing.
If anyone knows of any software issues that are creating sluggishness, please let me know.
Otherwise, Keep up the good work everyone.
I agree
Also, I wont dare bash anyone for the work that has gone into these roms. I only wish I had the skill to do what some of these guys or doing.
This was in no way meant to bash anyone - just something I noticed
Maybe its some program I was running - who knows
While I loved having Rev-A, overall speed is more important to me right now
I may go back to dcd's rom in a few weeks if I find I really need the rev-a but for now its back to stock and some more playing around
(maybe I'll find out if it was a program I was running or not)
by chance are you using HTC Home?
I originally flashed 3.2.5 with the Pre-Built ROM and noticed the build was a bit sluggish. I have since went back and adjusted the page pool to 8.5 mb and some other minor adjustments and noticed a decent improvement in the response.
scrawnyb - Just to give you something to compare to... I just now tried starting a text message from scratch and there was no wait at all when opening the message app, selecting a contact, and sending. I have approx. 1000 msgs in my sms inbox and around 130 contacts. Also keep 2-3 days worth of my outlook inbox synced (~50megs.. wireless sync limitation ).
I was on 3.2.0 (fairly stable, bit sluggish). Went to 3.2.3 (buggy for me, not much better on speed). By far 3.2.5 has been the best 3.2.x rom so far for me. I have to agree as well that the original stock rom was fast but i can deal with the minor quirks here and there to get Rev A when tethering and GPS. Also I couldn't live without threaded sms now!
It has been so long since I ran the stock VZ ROM that I really could not compare it outright to 3.2.5. But every build since that first upgrade has been faster and less buggy than the last. I would have to say that the speed and lock up issues are getting better every new ROM.
I am NOT going to revert back to stock to do a side by side comparison so take my opinion as just that: my opinion. But that is the great thing about all these talented individuals who are customizing these ROMs for the public. There is more than one choice and you have to try them all to find what you like.
I've definitely noticed a delay. It's gotten to the point where even touching the start menu and accessing folders has become sluggish, making the xv6700(I compared, xv6700 in stock rom vs xv6800 updated) appear LIGHTNING fast.
And I specifically remember when I first got my xv6800, I noticed how much faster it was than my 6700... Infact, STOCK 6800 has more free ram than any custom rom I've used!! (27-28MB free when I had to flash back to fix my data connection)
I started off with dcd and now I'm with nuerom v2.2 and things just keep getting progressively slower. I don't know what to tell anyone
It's something you guys are doing that is causing the problems.... period... Just to test, I'll make a ROM and you can download it and flash, and tell me what ya see....
My experience is with every rom upgrade it gets better and better. I can't believe how fast 3.25 is on mine then 3.22 was. Huge difference and just about perfect.
I would be curious to know what apps you guys are running. Maybe you have something in common that is slowing you down?
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My experience is with every rom upgrade it gets better and better. I can't believe how fast 3.25 is on mine then 3.22 was. Huge difference and just about perfect.
I would be curious to know what apps you guys are running. Maybe you have something in common that is slowing you down?
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I've narrowed it down to one of the following:
HTC Home <- this seems to be the most likely
Wisbar Advance <- don't think it's this
W.I.M.P. <- didn't notice a difference by closing this
Stock ROM was buggy and it drank RAM like water. DCD's ROMs blow the stock out of the water.
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by chance are you using HTC Home?
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no - didnt use it with either rom
My comparison was 3rd party preinstall - tested immediately after flash
I've got some apps on the stock rom now and its slowed down just a bit but still more responsive than dcd's latest version
What you use depends on what you need - I dont need rev-a or gps so I'll take the speed
What you use depends on what you need - I dont need rev-a or gps so I'll take the speed
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You do know that Rev A and GPS aren't all you're losing right? Have fun with Windows Mobile 6.0 and its crappy memory management, lack of threaded messaging etc.
If Rev A and GPS are what you don't care about...have you bothered to try dcd 1.7.0? Windows Mobile 6.1 without GPS/Rev A, compatible with 1.x.x radios and Olipro 1.20...
3.2.5 is the fastest rom I've seen on this phone, stock or otherwise; AND I'm running it with HTC Home / HHC.
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3.2.5 is the fastest rom I've seen on this phone, stock or otherwise; AND I'm running it with HTC Home / HHC.
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i agree, although i'm not running HTC Home, or VZW stock rom, but this is by far the best ROM of DCD's i've ever run.
WHAT?
I can't really comment on VW's stock ROM since I've never used it; however, I have USCC and have compared it side-by-side with Sprint's stock, as well as Sprint and USCC stock side-by-side with DCD's 3.2.3 and 3.2.5... Yes, I've flashed the hell outta' the two Titans! My personal experience reflects DCD's 3.2.5 to be the fastest (and even most stable) of all. It's awesome! The only problems I encountered I noticed to occur with HTS Home installed (it would consistantly freeze up the unit). I also S2U2 to conflict with FTouch Flo and Slither's Cube (Sluggish). I read about, and subsequently tried, installing HTC Home via HHC and it worked; however, I don't believe that the resulting performance was worth the programs' actual usefulness. I'm sticking with SPB software. DCD's 3.2.5 is hands-down the best ROM as far as performance/speed goes.
Here's my 2 cents worth.
I like the gps but dont need it. I find that it is not nearly as powerful as my bluetooth gps. Certainly nice to have when i dont have my keys with me (my gps is a keychain model). The other problem is that the gps doesnt seem to work when you are outside USA.
I love revA. The upgrade from stock to anything with revA is almost worth by itself.
The memory management of the stock rom is a problem. So dcd has it hands down there.
But the real killer for me. No ICS on the verizon stock rom. Thats the real reason I went to a custom rom. And so far I like dcd's custom roms far better than anything else out there.
Now I agree that some of the dcd roms have not been perfect. For me 3.2.3 for example just wouldnt float my boat. I stayed with 3.1.6 for the longerst time. But I have to say that 3.2.5 is just about bulletproof. As gc said above 1.7.0 was my favorite non revA/gps rom because it was similar. But for me at least 3.2.5 is great. It's incredibly fast and with all the added goodies it make the titan almost a pleasure to use.
Of course your mileage might vary, but for me I can't see much on the horizon better than dcd 3.2.5 (until perhaps verzion release up gps upgrade rom and dcd and cg pull the guts out of it so that we get "instantaneous" gps lock like our sprint brethren.
I swapped over from Verizon stock to dcd 3.2.23 with Radio 3.42.02, HTC Home / HHC, and WkTask 1.1.7.3.
I've noticed a remarkable increase in battery lifetime (approximately 20%), the speed of the phone hardware/response increase dramatically (I no longer have to wait in seconds for the screen to rotate on sliding the keyboard out), and I now have extra features like GPS and internet sharing, which Verizon locks out of the phone while stock.
All in all, my Titan performs faster with a wider range of uses for longer than stock.
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I originally flashed 3.2.5 with the Pre-Built ROM and noticed the build was a bit sluggish. I have since went back and adjusted the page pool to 8.5 mb and some other minor adjustments and noticed a decent improvement in the response.
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Can the page pool be adjusted without reloading the rom? If so, how? Also, what program are you using to adjust the page pool?
Jeff
question: if you guys arent using HTC home what are you using as a replacement that is as good or better?
just curious... I have HTC Home on an older dcd rom (3.1.6) .. it is the only ROM i have ever put on this device other than stock. If there is a known memory leak then perhaps I will update to 3.2.5 and grab a different today screen app.
so any suggestions?

For those who updated to the official VZW ROM

Ok so anything I need to know? Besides backing up contacts/calendar, do I have to call Verizon or was this only for custom roms? Anything else before I go it would be helpful. Any mistakes or tricks you found out while updating too. Thanks. I am really scared (even with this offical rom).
edit: I MIGHT update. Still having doubts.
1) Install Update
2) Dial *228 select option 2
That was it. Just finished restoring my backup and installing my favorite apps seems to work just fine
wow.. you guys are actually using the VZW ROm.. after they Locked out third party GPS and Rev A is still ****ty?
You're better off using the custom ROMs that are out there.. they are more stable anyway..
look at all of these people regretting it after they updated and the hell they have to go through just to get gps back..
GC14's solution to get GPS Back:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=421143
PPCkitchen team's alternative solution.. Safer way:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=421275
good luck
I don't use GPS, I prefer other devices, and I don't use it for data, the only things I care about are if it makes calls and if the WiFi and bluetooth work correctly. Not everyone has the same priority for a phone.
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wow.. you guys are actually using the VZW ROm.. after they Locked out third party GPS and Rev A is still ****ty?
You're better off using the custom ROMs that are out there.. they are more stable anyway..
look at all of these people regretting it after they updated and the hell they have to go through just to get gps back..
GC14's solution to get GPS Back:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=421143
PPCkitchen team's alternative solution.. Safer way:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=421275
good luck
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What are you talking about? RevA was working perfectly for me with the MR1 update - I was getting speeds right where I should have been getting them.
And like the person above stated, not everyone's priority is on gps
I cannot do a full back up with Active Sync anymore? I guess the older versions allow me to do it.
I am just picking the official rom since there is less steps and less margin of error. But really I haven't decided on what to do just yet. I do have my own seperate Garmin nuvi I use.
Can you see what speeds your getting with Rev. A? Also why didn't you have to call Verizon. Is it not a complete wipeout like a hard reset? Thanks in advance!
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I cannot do a full back up with Active Sync anymore? I guess the older versions allow me to do it.
I am just picking the official rom since there is less steps and less margin of error. But really I haven't decided on what to do just yet. I do have my own seperate Garmin nuvi I use.
Can you see what speeds your getting with Rev. A? Also why didn't you have to call Verizon. Is it not a complete wipeout like a hard reset? Thanks in advance!
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When I upgraded from stock rom to the mr1 update, it did not wipe out the a-key or dmu settings, nor should it.
As for RevA speeds - I was consistently getting between 600-800kbps
b16daddy said:
wow.. you guys are actually using the VZW ROm.. after they Locked out third party GPS and Rev A is still ****ty?
You're better off using the custom ROMs that are out there.. they are more stable anyway..
look at all of these people regretting it after they updated and the hell they have to go through just to get gps back..
GC14's solution to get GPS Back:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=421143
PPCkitchen team's alternative solution.. Safer way:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=421275
good luck
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I updated and I don't regret it one bit...I actually like the VZnavigator, I had it on my LGvx9800 "the V" and it saved me from being lost so many times that when I bought my 700w I missed it so bad I almost went back to the V...
I got google maps on the Treo but I had no GPS at the time, then I got my 6800 and flashed to DCD's latest and greatest and I loved it except it sometimes took 5 to 10 mins for Live search or Google maps to locate me and neither of them had turn by turn voice prompts...and by the time they located me I was so lost i had to get directions from some nearby address to where I was going without GPS....VZ Navigator connects in less then 10 seconds at my house and even at the Airport where I work...!!! I don't mind paying for things that I like...
I guess I am happy with my Rev-0 speeds.
Just tested it I got 1.17 Mbps (1198.4 kbps). Since I do not use my phone with a laptop I guess Rev-A wouldn't be needed as much.
I appreciate everyone for posting here. Thanks! Still its good to know I don't have to call Verizon like whne I had to do a hardrest. I will still wait on upgrading. Reading more experiences from people. But the need to upgrade is definetly diminishing somewhat with time. lol
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What is exactly safer in a method that doesn't work?
Please be a little more informed before you post stuff that's false.

Really, whats the point?

Whats the point in using DCD and all this mess instead of the offical sprint released stuff?
I used the DCD stuff with these versions:
ROM Version: dcd 3.0.4
Rom date: 2/22/08
Radio version: 3.37.20
and now I've updated to this newest stuff and I see 0 differences. Where the heck is the full change log (not the per version one)? I couldn't get youtube to work on my phone before, and I still cant get it to work now. When the hell is someone going to fix that?
I remember a long time ago I look and look, AND LOOKED for a work around, and tried several things with 0 luck.
My main reason for upgrading all this in my phone tonight was so that I could be able to record all my phone conversations and any software I've tried Resco audio recorder, and this weird SPWM5Callrec.cab program all give me the error that it cannot start recording while I'm in a phone call. Does anyone have a fix or work around for this too?
Thanks guys.
P.S. Its on a HTC Mogul.
3.0.4 came out months ago. try updating to 3.3.4 and see if you come across any differences in dcd's latest and the stock rom. i guarantee you will never go back to stock.
edit: i also recommend updating to the 3.42.50 radio. much better reception, and i havent gotten a dropped call since i updated. (although i rarely got them before. ohh verizon...)
also: recording calls without the opposing party's consent is illegal. there are programs which supposedly do it fine, but i can't see how recording calls is your main reason for updating your rom anyway.
ElementalWindX said:
Whats the point in using DCD and all this mess instead of the offical sprint released stuff?
I used the DCD stuff with these versions:
ROM Version: dcd 3.0.4
Rom date: 2/22/08
Radio version: 3.37.20
and now I've updated to this newest stuff and I see 0 differences. Where the heck is the full change log (not the per version one)? I couldn't get youtube to work on my phone before, and I still cant get it to work now. When the hell is someone going to fix that?
I remember a long time ago I look and look, AND LOOKED for a work around, and tried several things with 0 luck.
My main reason for upgrading all this in my phone tonight was so that I could be able to record all my phone conversations and any software I've tried Resco audio recorder, and this weird SPWM5Callrec.cab program all give me the error that it cannot start recording while I'm in a phone call. Does anyone have a fix or work around for this too?
Thanks guys.
P.S. Its on a HTC Mogul.
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Did you PAY for DCD's release? If not, then be MORE considerate, he's releasing ROM's because he can, not because it's his job....
Its pretty straight forward
Install DCD 3.3.4
You gain memory, speed, GPS abilities, etc.
You haven't been reading if you simply think there are no differences.
aguas said:
3.0.4 came out months ago. try updating to 3.3.4 and see if you come across any differences in dcd's latest and the stock rom. i guarantee you will never go back to stock.
edit: i also recommend updating to the 3.42.50 radio. much better reception, and i havent gotten a dropped call since i updated. (although i rarely got them before. ohh verizon...)
also: recording calls without the opposing party's consent is illegal. there are programs which supposedly do it fine, but i can't see how recording calls is your main reason for updating your rom anyway.
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I know all about the legality of recording calls. Thats beaten to death and back. I still prefer to do it.
I know its free. I'm not disrespecting the guy for making it.
You guys still didnt answer the questions about recordings and youtube.
Also is there a executable for the new radio rom? I have hell trying to get my sd card to work to do this. I dont have 100% the proper equipment to do it, but I can still do it this way, it just takes me alot longer and is alot more tedious and annoying.
Also does the sprint provided one not come with GPS enabled? I haven't reinstalled google maps just yet to find out.
If it's beaten to death, you would know that the hardware in the mogul is not capable of recording calls.
what I use for Youtube
Try these cabs.
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Try these cabs.
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I see no cabs? Rename the .zip to a .cab?
1999TL said:
If it's beaten to death, you would know that the hardware in the mogul is not capable of recording calls.
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Thank you for showing me the similarities between legality and hardware It's almost as if black = white now. Yes yes, I see it now.
In case you didnt understand I ment the legality issue of recording phone calls has been beaten to death across every google result I've found.
aguas said:
also: recording calls without the opposing party's consent is illegal. there are programs which supposedly do it fine, but i can't see how recording calls is your main reason for updating your rom anyway.
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Depends on your local laws. The state laws where I'm at allows you to record phone calls as long as one person knows about it. Which is of course you who is recording the conversation. Trust me...been down that road and had to use a couple in court before.
Pardon me, if I may
ElementalWindX said:
Thank you for showing me the similarities between legality and hardware It's almost as if black = white now. Yes yes, I see it now.
In case you didnt understand I ment the legality issue of recording phone calls has been beaten to death across every google result I've found.
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Why do I sense arrogance in you. I mean, isn't there any other way to ask your question or make a point without it sounding like that? DCD does great work, and true enough you nee to try his ROMs before you comment on no difference. I have used all his ROMs and each time there is a remarkable difference, GPS Speed, good audio, nice reception.
Youtube: If you search the forum, there are many ways to get youtube, I would suggest you tell us what type of youtube app you are trying to use because there are just so many.
As for recording calls, there are apps out there that can do this. JUst google it, and you will have more than enough to try. If there are errors, don't blame the ROM. DCD ROMS are more functional and bring less stress to the RAM than the bloated Sprint ROM.
unzip
ElementalWindX said:
I see no cabs? Rename the .zip to a .cab?
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unzip the zip file.
You guys still didnt answer the questions about recordings and youtube.
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It's not the jobs of the people on this forum to solve your problems for you. If they do, great, but you shouldn't be using an attitude that makes it seem like you think everyone on here is being paid to solve problems for you. Maybe you didn't mean this line to come across as rude but it sure seems very rude to me.
The Flash Video Bundle with TCPMP that was posted works very well for YouTube.
You could also try this cab:
http://drop.io/YouTube_M2D
Also is there a executable for the new radio rom? I have hell trying to get my sd card to work to do this. I dont have 100% the proper equipment to do it, but I can still do it this way, it just takes me alot longer and is alot more tedious and annoying.
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You only need an SD card... nothing else. If you have an SD card you have 100% of the proper equipment. Everything can be done directly on the phone without even having a computer. You might need software to extract a .zip or .rar file at the most although it seems you're not familiar with compressed archives (zip files) so flashing your phone might be a little advanced for you. If your SD card doesn't work very well for flashing, buy a new one. They are extremely cheap for the low capacity ones which is what you need for flashing anyway.
You claim not to mean any disrespect for DCD's ROM but then you're whining about how you think there's no point to using it and why hasn't someone fixed some problem you were having when they have... I think a better attitude might make people more willing to help you.
Well put unL33T,
I would have just called this guy a douche bag and written a note-to-self to ignore all future posts by ElementalWindX, as so far every one of his 4 posts in this thread is dripping with jackassery.
I have a feeling that either method will be just as ineffective.
ElementalWindX said:
Where the heck is the full change log (not the per version one)? I couldn't get youtube to work on my phone before, and I still cant get it to work now. When the hell is someone going to fix that?
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You do realize that many of the amazing people who develop software and ROMs for your phone do it free of charge as a hobby, right?
If you want a change log with the entire history, I recommend you go into the threads and do a lot of copy and pasting. I'm sure there are a few other people who would be appreciative if you took the effort to help out with that instead of just crying that nobody else has. Sound fair? You take, you give.
And similarly with youtube, why don't you go to hell and fix it yourself?
ElementalWindX said:
Whats the point in using DCD and all this mess instead of the offical sprint released stuff?
I used the DCD stuff with these versions:
ROM Version: dcd 3.0.4
Rom date: 2/22/08
Radio version: 3.37.20
and now I've updated to this newest stuff and I see 0 differences. Where the heck is the full change log (not the per version one)? I couldn't get youtube to work on my phone before, and I still cant get it to work now. When the hell is someone going to fix that?
I remember a long time ago I look and look, AND LOOKED for a work around, and tried several things with 0 luck.
My main reason for upgrading all this in my phone tonight was so that I could be able to record all my phone conversations and any software I've tried Resco audio recorder, and this weird SPWM5Callrec.cab program all give me the error that it cannot start recording while I'm in a phone call. Does anyone have a fix or work around for this too?
Thanks guys.
P.S. Its on a HTC Mogul.
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If you press the X-Button in the top right hand corner of this browser window it should solve all your issues.
As people have already said... We develop for free. I have a ROM, DCD does, etc... I spend countless HOURS if not DAYS ON END working on this for very little in return. I do appreciate the people that have donated but lets face in reality we do this sort of thing for free. Sooo with that being said....
If you donate a very large sum of money to me I will solve ALL your phone needs. I'm waiting for the money... Let me know when its there.
Ok, I'm still waiting, why haven't you sent it yet?
Pretty ridiculous? Yes! Just like your rants about DCD's ROM.
Also, when you get a chance can you post some of your work. Seems you are here only to get what you can and not contribute back.
Thanks for whatever it is this post was SUPPOSED to bring!
Don't get caught up in arguing with this idiot. He is just trying to get a rise out of you. He cannot possibly be as stupid as he sounds. Must be an act to try and lure us in.....
Your first post wasn't completely clear. I've read it a couple times and it seemed you had a couple things to be addressed:
ElementalWindX said:
Whats the point in using DCD and all this mess instead of the offical sprint released stuff?
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We install these ROMS because we don't like the Sprint ROM. I can't make that anymore simple. Many/Most of us try to "break" the custom roms (like DCDs) or find the bugs in them so the programmer can refine the product. Many others are here to try something new to get better performance from their phone-- again, because they don't like the Sprint ROM.
..and now I've updated to this newest stuff and I see 0 differences.
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Most of the difference you dont "see" you experience. More RAM is available, the phone runs quicker and more stable. Those are the main differences you can "see" or notice.
I couldn't get youtube to work on my phone before, and I still cant get it to work now. When the hell is someone going to fix that?
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Youtube is not something that will get fixed through a ROM. It is something that needs to be supported through software. Hence, youtubeplay, the HTC you tube application, and flash integrated web browsers.
I can't comment on the phone call recording software. I don't know anything about apps like that.
I don't see any point to this thread, if you have a question about a rom, ask it in the thread dedicated to that rom.
Also, watch the language. If you are an offending party, know that foul language is a violation of the rules here at XDA and can lead to your being banned. Remember, be respectful at all times, and if you can't do that, then don't post at all.
Thread Closed!

quetion about CDMA

Im fairly new to all of this, I have upgraded my phone to the latest DCD build and radio but was wondering about the CDMA. I found a CDMA file and was wondering if I need to use that as well? Phone seems to work fine as it is. Is the CDMA just another word for the Radio? Oh and thank for the great build DCD, much better than my carrier (Bell) why Bell doesn't support their phones as much as the other providers I will never understand. I do miss some of the features that the stock rom had but I much prefer a OS that is stable and fast.
fenrir26 said:
Im fairly new to all of this, I have upgraded my phone to the latest DCD build and radio but was wondering about the CDMA. I found a CDMA file and was wondering if I need to use that as well? Phone seems to work fine as it is. Is the CDMA just another word for the Radio? Oh and thank for the great build DCD, much better than my carrier (Bell) why Bell doesn't support their phones as much as the other providers I will never understand. I do miss some of the features that the stock rom had but I much prefer a OS that is stable and fast.
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CDMA is another term for radio as you stated. Well, it means alot more than that. But in essence.....
CDMA is the type of technology your phone uses. GSM is another different technology as is IDEN. Its like laser disc, VHS and dvds. All play videos, just different technologies to interpret the data.
That was a bad analogy!
fenrir26 said:
Oh and thank for the great build DCD, much better than my carrier (Bell) why Bell doesn't support their phones as much as the other providers I will never understand. I do miss some of the features that the stock rom had but I much prefer a OS that is stable and fast.
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I'm a bell user too and have to ask, what could you possibly miss from the original rom?
I'm not sure, but my theory on Bell's support is it is costly. Why test and maintain updates when it will not make profit. The stock bell titan has no GPS. I think they find it cheaper to sell you a new phone with GPS than to send an update to activate GPS.
Thanks for all the info. About the only thing I really miss from the stock rom is the today plugin for windows live and MP4 playback through media player. Bell can enable the GPS on this phone with their stock rom but you need to pay for the service as far as I know. Bell is like this with all their services though, you get stuck with old and outdated products to force you into buying new. I'm holding out on my current contract, Shaw has recently purchased wireless rights, they wont start that up for another 3 years or so, just in time for my Bell contract to end. Had quite the many issues with Bell and their shady business practices.
Not sure about the MP4 support on other roms, but I have windows live available on my phone. You need to find the Windows Live Cab. This way, you can install both the mail, messenger and all the extra Today screen stuff.
fenrir26 said:
why Bell doesn't support their phones as much as the other providers I will never understand.
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Frankly? Because Bell sucks. I use Bell and I happen to like their service and phones offered. The software support they offer is terrible though. Here is the response from a Bell official on the reason for not offering unlocked GPS for the Titan (Bell PPC-6800):
Its not that we are lying about the functions of device, when we spec each phone for launch, every component and functionality is tested for quality on our network. With the 6800 the quality of the GPS was not up to our standard, so it was partially locked out. Our hardware development group was not confident enough in the GPS of this device to allow it to be used on our network. With many Windows devices, freezing and stalling become an issue, with the 6800 the GPS radio causes the device to stall, we were not able to resolve that issue, therefore a decision was made that the key functionalities of the device should be preserved. Google maps should still work on the phone. We will not be releasing an updated ROM on that device as it is now end of life. My apologies, but that is a decision that was made by other parties that I have no influence over. I hope this clarifies this for you.
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This is obviously BS because the GPS works just fine on the network with DCD's ROM. I get no freezing or locking up that they speak of. Anyway, FYI...Bell will never unlock GPS on the Titan.
joemorin73 said:
Not sure about the MP4 support on other roms, but I have windows live available on my phone. You need to find the Windows Live Cab. This way, you can install both the mail, messenger and all the extra Today screen stuff.
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For some reason or another DCD's rom doesnt support movie playback taken with the camera. I couldnt find anything at all for live, when I did find one it refused to install, I do have the one live program with all the maps and directions stuff, using palringo for IM but of course I cannot access my hotmail through the built in messaging program. They are small sacrifices though considering how well built and phone friendly DCD's rom is.
I know Bell will never unlock it, wouldn't be cost effective for them to do it with an older phone. They cant afford to lose anymore money than they already have. I find it funny that with all the stuff Bell does they manage to stay afloat. they don't make any money off of all their other services, only their wireless. Having a bit of an inside look at how they work and their practices it is very surprising. What gets me though is when this phone was the latest and greatest thing in the market Bell was the only provider who did not fully support the phone. Telus, Verizon, Sprint and even small mom and pop providers released more updates that the monster that is Bell.
Hi, I would suggest you use the kitchen for DCD 3.2.6
It allows playback of MP4 files in Windows Media Player and you can install Windows Live.
drnoir said:
Hi, I would suggest you use the kitchen for DCD 3.2.6
It allows playback of MP4 files in Windows Media Player and you can install Windows Live.
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windows live uses a cab, easy to install. and mp4 playback in WMP is not that big of a deal, because one, WMP is terrible, and two, TCPMP supports it, and several other file types.
i don't see why people can't live without a kitchen

Alltel Touch Pro 2.01.671.1 ROM update

It's on HTC's website, dated July 7th. I haven't seen any other threads on it, and I wanted to see if anyone else has tried it. I've updated to it myself, and it seems to be an overall improvement over the version I had. There's really nothing much in the notes, though it seems they tweaked quite a bit. Most notably, it's done wonders for my battery life. I used to always come home with a phone that was nearly dead. Now I get home with 60-70% still left on the battery. It could be my imagination, but the phone seems a bit more responsive now as well. If the battery life is anything to go by, it could just be from general optimization of the ROM. Other points of interest... the activesync app is no longer self-launching, and Opera Mobile appears to have had an update as well.
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Here's the link: http://www.htc.com/us/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=200&act=sd&cat=all
im in the process of doing it know, ill let ya know what i think in a bit
I tried it when it 1st came out, its definitely better than the shipped rom, but its still got all of the bloatware and other b.s. that interferes with performance. IMO, you're still better off with a cooked rom.
ya i honestly cant tell a different between stock rom and this update
Oh yeah, I'm sure a cooked rom is faster. Just thought I'd put the PSA out there. It does seem to address a few issues for my launch version of the ROM.
one of these day ill get around to putting a custom rom on my phone.
thiers just to many and i cant figure out which one i want
stock
if i have already unlocked my phone and running a custom rom and want to flash to this stock rom do i need to do anything different?
No, just flash as you normally do. Every couple of flashes I go back to the stock rom anyway. Probably just the "placebo" effect, but I've convinced myself it helps.
Do it for the Radio
powermatt said:
Oh yeah, I'm sure a cooked rom is faster. Just thought I'd put the PSA out there. It does seem to address a few issues for my launch version of the ROM.
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Notation to everyone here this ROM includes an updated radio. 1.12.20F. So that it's self should be worth it. I run NFS rom but I am going to update to this so I can grab the updated radio. I will then jump to his. My radio is currently 1.03.16F. It also has the later PRL and PRI.
I see the in the Radio Thread in this forum that they have the alltel readio without the whole ROM. So if you want go that route. I have just found that doing a stock flash every once in awhile keeps my custom flashing less problematic.
im still having problems as far as radio signal.........and the only reason i don't just upgraded the radio is their is no alltel dump yet
I also get great battery life after the update.
Tritan21 said:
I also get great battery life after the update.
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Agree and better signal quality. Used the Field Test to check the signal.
tell me more about this field test, i would like to see if my signal is better
chris347101 said:
tell me more about this field test, i would like to see if my signal is better
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Go to this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=531134
and look on the first post. In it it says how to check my signal. That will show you what you need. Lower is better for all 3 numbers it shows in the post to look at.
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typing this didn't do anything...all i got was call cant be completed as dialed
One very nice discovery I made today (because of how little I actually talk on my TP) is that they've changed the call answer screen a bit. Seems they took a page from Apple's book and changed the answer and ignore buttons into a slider. You slide it all the way left to answer, and right to ignore. Should fix the accidental answer problem I know a lot of people (including myself) have had.
Will this work on Verizon TP? I know i will have to apply keyboard patch but would it work?
Radio should work no problem, especially since alltel and verizon are 1 now.
I dispise Verizon ROM. No YouTube, No Internet Sharing etc... Got it as a insurance replacement when my Alltel TP broke. They said they don't have Alltel TPs anymore.
Please give me the good news... PLEEEAAASE
PS: I already have GPS unlocked using MR1 release from Verizon.
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Will this work on Verizon TP? I know i will have to apply keyboard patch but would it work?
Radio should work no problem, especially since alltel and verizon are 1 now.
I dispise Verizon ROM. No YouTube, No Internet Sharing etc... Got it as a insurance replacement when my Alltel TP broke. They said they don't have Alltel TPs anymore.
Please give me the good news... PLEEEAAASE
PS: I already have GPS unlocked using MR1 release from Verizon.
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I wouldn't attempt it if I were you. Have you considered trying a custom rom? If you've never done it I could help you through the process. Stock roms SUCK!
Can i ask you if it works in a touch pro un-locked of the vodafone Italy company?
I have an alltel touch pro but my area switched to verizon now, im assuming this won't be a problem because i didn't need to do any update when they switched so im guessing the radio won't be an issue? Really want to do this if it increases battery.
Also will this remove any settings or themes that kind of stuff?
edit nevermind i see it removes everything.
if i take my memory card out before i update can will all the programs that are one it reinstall? and when i put all my backed up data back on the device do the programs reinstall or do i have to do something to reinstall them?

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