Sorry, I repeat myself because I see a Sticky post saying "NO GPS - anntena missing". I've also read a few contradicting posts so I want to make clear:
HTC Touch Dual (nike) HAS gps receiver.
It is enabled on my “Bell” ROM (Canada).
I used the Diamond test software and I can see about 10 satellites. (Nadavi_HTC_GPS_TOOL.cab)
I have also installed Google maps and Garmin Mobile XT and both work like a charm.
I don't think there is a register/settings you can change to enable it on your phone. I think you need a new ROM.
On the WIFI side, I strongly believe it has WIFI but we may need a new ROM to enable it.
Dump your rom and share!!!!
Do you have an 528 MHz CPU? If yes, you have a Neon400 that comes with built-in GPS! And that's why you can't give us Niki-Users a GPS-enabled ROM!
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The canada Released Neon400 has GPS thats been confirmed alot already confirm you have the Neon400 and theres nothing special here
htc are sure churning out lots of different versions of the nike/neon
This sounds realy good!
Need a Dump from SPL and OS. After that, i make NV-Item and RAM Dump. Then i can Compare and found this settings.
Please talk with me tomorow via ICQ or MSN!
Hi, I have no longer followed this thread as I found out I have a Neon and not a Nike.
I'll dump the Rom, SPL, OS and anythink that can be dumped if you tell me how.
The Neon400 isn't the same like Neon100/200/300 because the Neon400 based on another Chipset! This chipset is the Qualcomm MSM7201A (like the Diamond) instead of the Qualcomm MSM7200 and this chipsets doens't have a built-in GPS antenna so dumping your ROM isn't really helpfull for other HTC Neon users!
Sad but true, even for us Niki users!
Anime ... CPU doesnt interessting me ... i need a Full Ram Dump, then i can enable it. I think, GSM is present in Niki and Neon to. Possible Antenna isnt present. I need some NV-Items etc ... i will talk with Thread Starter NOW to found a solution!!!!
Aaahh, I didn't know it! I need to learn a lot more about HTC devices!
It seems HTC is always good for an surprise
Hope Netrunner will find the needed Files. With GPS the Niki is a dream for me
Thread Starter doesnt answer hehehe
Not much to answer. I don't know how to dump the ROM and I've asked before. If you can teach me I'll post the file. Mabe somone can enable the Wifi for Neon, at least.
Yes i will teach you all we need BUT please talk with me over ICQ, MSN, MAIL, Skype ... what ever!
We need a lot steps and its to complex to post only via this Thread!!!!
Some steps doesnt brick your phone, but it doesnt start the OS, after reset. Some steps need a lot of time. Full Ram Dump ~ 2 hours!
I just ordered HTC Touch Dual from bell canada
set to arrive in mail in few days, does this mean im getting the Neon400? want to be 100% sure.
and if so, should i be looking at roms made for the HTC Diamond instead of nike roms?
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I don't know how to go about this, but since seth isnt goin to be making anymore roms the the Neon, I was wondering if someone could starting towards his direction. I would be the first to do this, but i haven't a clue where start. Sorry if this sounds dumb.
well first big thanx for you on taking on this task and its great appreciated im sure by the NEON community.im sure u already asked seth on how to start cooking and search this forum for some other NEON developers.ill help as much as i can.thanx
-wayne
Im learning to cook foor the Neon aswell Seth has given me soem tips and the kitchen he uses, although i don't know how we can better Seths current Rom its great
Could you show me the foundation of it? build on up?
Neon and Niki are very simulare ... i doesnt understand, why nobody try to found out, the different settings off both device, to create a OEM Pack?
An OEM pack would be great
I'm in the same boat myself. I've been reading the forums here for a while now and have a ****load of tools, but I don't know if I have the right tools to cook a ROM for the neon200.
I'm using Seth's Diamond v4 and it works very well, but I would like to cook a ROM that is stripped to the bone and build it back up over time.
If you have any hints or tips on how to cook for the neon please post them, and I'll try to post anything useful (or unsuccessful, until I brick my phone, lol)
Cheers.
starting from scratch?
I believe we should start by changing toms rom and black mary rom to be configured for the neon. it would be great to be able to have everyone benefit from they're work.
Excuse me...could you please direct me to the kitchen?
If someone has a kitchen, I'll start cooking today. I've cooked afew of my own roms, for private use, on my Kaiser. I've had my NEON 300 for about a month, and love it. If Seth has a kitchen do we know which? If someone's already obtained it from him, can you post it? I'll work on an OEM pack...this isn't really all that different from most of them floating around, it's not like most of the HTC apps haven't already been pooped out in oem fashion, ready to cook. This is how communities grow, with people willing to learn for the support and benefit of everyone.
I just cooked my first Neon200 ROM on the weekend using the Kaiser Kitchen with htcrt settings that NetrunnerAT posted:
[Neon]
Experimental=1
ModelId=NEON****
SignMaxChunkSize=64
RomSections=4, "0x200,SPL,262144,TRUE", "0x600,Splash,262144,FALSE", "0x301,Radio,17563648,TRUE", "0x400,OS,0,FALSE"
I took a vendor image and added some packages cooked it and flashed it and my phone still worked after it, lol. Not all the apps I added worked, but the process did.
I'm going to play with it some more until I get it right (my GFs new favorite saying is, "Are you playing with that f**king phone again!!!). I'd like to build an ultralite ROM with decent drivers that can be built on.
Netrunner posted in this thread that creating an OEM pack for the Neon shouldn't be too hard, but it seems that there aren't alot of knowledgeable people out there with Neons. The differences might be small but to a n00b (like me, lol) they're pretty major. I've read about as much as I can, (I saved my weekend FF session and it has 259 tabs - and on a side note it peaked @ 1,002,384K and while I know that IE would have drowned in it's own blood, 4MB per tab still seems excessive ...) Any Neon specific help and advice would be greatly appreciated.
Next I'm gonna try and take a stock WM6 ROM and port it to 6.1, we'll see what happens from there ...
Hey hey, well done. sounds good my girlfriend says the same thing haha
solution for that problem
I often hear it from my girl too... what I have done is bought her a htc dual now she's into xda too... a question though how can I know if I have a neon or a htc touch dual? from the back of the phone I have HTC dual but when I search into net NEON looks like a htc dual touch... a bit confused here
character said:
I often hear it from my girl too... what I have done is bought her a htc dual now she's into xda too... a question though how can I know if I have a neon or a htc touch dual? from the back of the phone I have HTC dual but when I search into net NEON looks like a htc dual touch... a bit confused here
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where are you from? If your in the US, most cases you have a neon. If it doesnt have it listed (on back of device), you probably have a niki. Check settings>device information>identity
mjthrupp said:
I just cooked my first Neon200 ROM on the weekend using the Kaiser Kitchen with htcrt settings that NetrunnerAT posted:
[Neon]
Experimental=1
ModelId=NEON****
SignMaxChunkSize=64
RomSections=4, "0x200,SPL,262144,TRUE", "0x600,Splash,262144,FALSE", "0x301,Radio,17563648,TRUE", "0x400,OS,0,FALSE"
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I've got the Niki Kitchen, where do I change the settings so I can make the rom for a Neon200 instead of for the Niki?
I have no real idea about this stuff yet, but would like to learn and be involved...
Why is it that you can't take an existing Niki ROM and simply change a couple of settings and cook an Neon ROM?
maximus007 said:
I have no real idea about this stuff yet, but would like to learn and be involved...
Why is it that you can't take an existing Niki ROM and simply change a couple of settings and cook an Neon ROM?
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Im with you, would love to learn But, i think you need an OEM pack, change the radio...from what i know. I'm sure there is a lot more. NetrunnerAT knows how. Not giving up names lol
Manilla Rom
If any one has the kitchen, and is willing to throw out a few pointers, I would be more than happy to get started on a Manilla ROM. Does anyone have any idea where to get one? I PM'd Seth, but have not gotten a reply yet. Any ideas?
I am a bit frustrated so I have to ask this question to you guys what is the difference between the two phones?HTC touch dual or NEON I read that neon has a wifi and touch dual has none but when you surf in the net and type HTC neon usually htc touch dual will appear? so that is frustrating for me are they the same? read it is not ... can someone here please try to answer this query? please for me/ us specially for those who are new here in the forum to be enlighten
Thanks for reading this
From what country are you?
Neon is for US or GSM 800 Networks
Niki is for Europa or GSM 900 Networks
Otherwise...little difference
The keyboards are different too. The primary US TouchDual aka NEON 300 has the 20 key compact qwerty. The whole wifi thing is research, and has not been hacked as of yet. The phones are different enough that you should not flash a ROM from one to the other, but beyond that, they look somewhat similar. Not to mention, both phones are stuck in ONE THREAD!!! Which sucks, considering the Vogue and the Elf have seperate threads.....
Got it here in Singapore ... so do you think it is a HTC dual or NEON?
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Got it here in Singapore ... so do you think it is a HTC dual or NEON?
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Take out the battery and look on back. Should tell you. At least my neon does.
mandaryn said:
The keyboards are different too. The primary US TouchDual aka NEON 300 has the 20 key compact qwerty. The whole wifi thing is research, and has not been hacked as of yet. The phones are different enough that you should not flash a ROM from one to the other, but beyond that, they look somewhat similar. Not to mention, both phones are stuck in ONE THREAD!!! Which sucks, considering the Vogue and the Elf have seperate threads.....
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I agree 100% about having a SEPARATE THREAD for NEON and the Nike. It is too much different to be together and it is very confusing.
I know this is a old thread but it will be ask more and more because the NEON is coming fast and new.
I have a brand new Touch Dual NEON400 with a 526 MHz Diamond MSM7501A processor. This is a mix between a Touch Vogue and a Diamond. So it has nothing to do with Nike and the NEON has no SIM like the Nike.
So far I'm more confused then anything here and I do not dare change anything in case I blow out my cellular phone
I know i have a dual neon400 and cant find anything for it i need an original English rom
i have a touch dual neon200 and i only can hardspl the device i cant find where i can unlock my device..all threads and servers works with niki100 not neon200..i have my device for paperweight
i even try with servers like tornado or imei check ..nothing i only get hardspl of the great member of olipro who gave us hardspl i bet he can unlock it..so if u read tihs msge pleasee help me!!
tzrules1186 said:
i have a touch dual neon200 and i only can hardspl the device i cant find where i can unlock my device..all threads and servers works with niki100 not neon200..i have my device for paperweight
i even try with servers like tornado or imei check ..nothing i only get hardspl of the great member of olipro who gave us hardspl i bet he can unlock it..so if u read tihs msge pleasee help me!!
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Any luck with your paperweight?
PLEASE STICKY THIS!
The purpose of this thread is to consolidate all software, roms, and information on the HTC Touch Dual Neon400.
The Neon400 was released as the CDMA version of the Touch Dual in Canada to Bell and Telus exclusively thus far. At this point in time this exact model is ONLY available in canada to Telus Mobility and Bell Mobility clients.
The Neon400 sports some MAJOR changes to previous Neons and the Niki. Inside it actually has more in common with the HTC Touch Diamond than a traditional Touch Dual (Nike). The specs are as follows:
Qualcomm MSM7501A 528mhz Processor (Same as Diamond)
ROM-capacity: 256 MiB (Same as traditional Nikes)
RAM-capacity: 160 MiB (Higher than Nike, Lower than Diamond)
Full GPS Capability
Same GPU / Graphics capability as Diamond (Altho no 3d interface software provided)
Rumored to have Wifi (neither provider has the drivers/wifi enabled if that is the case).
Both Telus and Bell ship the phone with WM 6.1 Pro as an OS.
Because of the limited availablity of the Neon400, and the vastly different specs, and the fact that it has only been available since Sept. 2008. There is next to none (I have yet to find any) software or rom flashes/upgrades available.
This thread serves as a place for the few of us who have Neon400's to test out new ideas, share modding experiences, give, and receive advice.
Few of my questions right off the top:
Will the previously established methods for unlocking Nike's work for this model? (anyone yet tested?)
Are there any TESTED and COMPATIBLE Roms that work on the Neon400 thus far?
Is anyone currently working on the above projects?
Thank you and Welcome Neon400 users! Lets take advantage of the extra horse power in our HTC Nike's and get things rolling!
instead of neon400, how about all neons? i have the neon300, all pretty much the same (of what you can install on it)
I just got my Neon400 a couple weeks back.
Hopefully we can get some ROM's going for this....the battery life is killin' me!
BeatleMatt said:
I just got my Neon400 a couple weeks back.
Hopefully we can get some ROM's going for this....the battery life is killin' me!
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They already have roms for the Neon
I'm trying to post more in these forums to show support for this phone. The other Neon ROMs may work for this phone, but nobody knows because we can't unlock the damn thing.
Is there any info on how to develop HardSPLs for phones?
i two just bought a Telus Neon400 and i found that yes it is vary buggy like when i finish a call it like freezes for a bit then its fine
it lags alot eats up mad batterie life i just want to be able to unlock it and install anew rom something that has far less bugs in it ,we need more sopport
88fingerslukee said:
I'm trying to post more in these forums to show support for this phone. The other Neon ROMs may work for this phone, but nobody knows because we can't unlock the damn thing.
Is there any info on how to develop HardSPLs for phones?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=377260
Always use the top search option to find answers : ) Very easy. This is for the Neon
Unfortunately this method doesn't work for the Neon 400. I should know, I tried. The screen turns black and you need the reset the phone.
So,no, the top search option doesn't work here.
yep i bid we should set upsomething like payment for someone who makes a hacked spl for this phone im willing to pay im sick of the bugs i really liked the touch so much sopport but for this one nothing there has to be someone out there that casn do this
hammer22 said:
yep i bid we should set upsomething like payment for someone who makes a hacked spl for this phone im willing to pay im sick of the bugs i really liked the touch so much sopport but for this one nothing there has to be someone out there that casn do this
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You would think it would have to be somebody who has access to the phone. Since nobody else but Canadians can use it, I don't think there's much hope that any of the regular SPL writers would be able to do it.
I hope I'm wrong though. I've tried to PM Olipro asking for help, but to no avail.
We're seeking into this issue. If anyone got an original (shipped) rom for neon400, let me know.
Cya,
Viper BJK
I was able to extract the .raw files from my Telus "Neon", using the Kaiser tutorials, if this helps? I didn't know what to do beyond that...
viperbjk said:
We're seeking into this issue. If anyone got an original (shipped) rom for neon400, let me know.
Cya,
Viper BJK
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I'm unsure if one exists. At least, I can't find one on any of the sites (bell.ca, telus.com, pdcphones.com, htc.come etc). I also heard from the Telus salesman that the phone is being discontinued. That's bad for updates. I don't know about Bell.
need HARDspl
if there is one its for the jap version of the neon400 dont know what good that would do
and as for updates htc site would have them if telus would not right it only makes sence
is there a way to extract the rom off my phone ?
neon 400's are also available in Gsm quad band not just cdma.
Ive spent weeks researching my neon400, and the options I have with it, and I have discovered that there are no options! Or so it may seem.
I've tried to hardspl it a few times now, no luck, the sspl-nike does not work with it.
I want to know if anyone out there with a neon400 specifically has managed to hardspl thier device, and furthermore if they have managed to get any custom rom to work.
The neon400 actually has more in common with the diamond than any other niki or neon, it has a different processor chipset than any other touch dual variant, its CDMA not GSM and does not use a sim card. The chipset it uses is identicle to that of the HTC Diamond.
I think we're out of luck - the Neon400 is only sold in Canada, so people like you and me are SOL in terms of getting a new ROM.
It is similar to the Diamond, but not exactly, so the Diamond stuff doesn't work with it.
If somebody could instruct me or find some sort of hardspl developer's guide...I'd love to give it a shot.
I would even extract any info from the phone to assist some other developer. Right now, the current ROM eats up ridiculous amounts of memory...we need custom stuff!
Lucas
Wow, this is rough, I have the Telus version, and I don't know how everyone else's phone behaves, but this thing's stock ROM is light years behind my previous Apache with custom ROM. It takes it close to 7 seconds to hang up a bloody call!! That's uncalled for
My girlfriend has the Telus version, she is who I'm trying to hack it for.
Her's is all right, and only that. It's def sluggish and needs a lot of the stupid crap removed.
I think this version also has GPS, which needs to be unlocked I believe.
the gps is already unlocked I have a Telus Neon 400 and it works great, mine also is solid in terms of speed and does not take 7 seconds to hang up a call. major issue for me is well i want WM6.5 so lets get cracking people what do we need to do to get a rom cooking.
-For Neon Hardspl-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=377260
Someone should probably sticky the thread and call it "NEON HARDSPL"
ajb303 said:
-For Neon Hardspl-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=377260
Someone should probably sticky the thread and call it "NEON HARDSPL"
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Doesn't work with Telus NEON400...
ryar said:
Doesn't work with Telus NEON400...
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Did you follow the steps correctly? Reason why I ask is because I've talked to owners of a telus neon and I believe they used this process. This is the only neon hardspl I know of
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Did you follow the steps correctly? Reason why I ask is because I've talked to owners of a telus neon and I believe they used this process. This is the only neon hardspl I know of
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I would welcome them explaining how they did it. Please have them post if you can.
yes id like to know to i am no newbee to flashing roms
ryar said:
Doesn't work with Telus NEON400...
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doesnt work with Bell neon400 as well.
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Hi all,
I sincerely apologise if this has been answered before but I did try
to use the search function but I did not really see it that clearly
I am sorry if I am off the ball / wrong or don't know what I am talking about but...
According to the data sheet found here:
View attachment DTCOL_2007FEB15_AVDE_RFR_AN_01.zip
It states that the MSM7200 (Nike Chipset) does indeed have "support" for a wifi module and claims there is a GPS unit. Now I don't know if the "support" word means it has wifi or is capable of wifi being added.
The HTC Kaiser uses the exact same chipset but has wifi and gps already onboard / installed.
Don't know if I am correct but,
Is there any way some ingenious XDA Developer can maybe "use" or "take" from the HTC Kasier Windows Mobile ROM drivers and maybe use or add them for the Nike somehow?
Once again, I am sorry if this has been answered before, but couldn't find it.
If it has been answered then feel free to remove it I won't lose sleep at night if you delete this post
Thanx
Wayne
yeah thats right wifi is included at the nike, but the drivers are missing .
and we need a antenna for the reception.
look at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630661
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436158
Hey syre! Thanx
Thanx for the info dude,
However, what I am really asking is there some possibility that some XDA dev
maybe could use the drivers and / or the radio drivers from the Kaiser and port them over to the HTC Dual Touch since they share the same MSM 7200?
Is there some possibility maybe?
Sorry if I sound like a douche bag hahaha...
sorry no more development on that, nike is an old device, on this forum nike user and developers is not many anymore so that seems imposible for now. Anyway GPS and wifi thing had been developed before but no luck to make it working on nike. you should give up for that feature unless i think if htc leaked their device structure and driver for us, hope you understand. thanks
Oh well...
Thanx guys, at least i got my answer,
Its just i wish i had wifi on my device,
Anywayz...
Thanx
Wayne
how can i install the GPS & Wifi drivers