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Hi Gurus
Is it safer to apply HardSPL first then SIM unlock or the other way round.
Maybe it doesnt matter.
Whats your view ?
Asif
I did sim unlock first. then I apply hardspl. now flashing different roms. don't know exactly how the process suppose to be but that's what I did and my phone is working like a champ
I did hard spl, then Sim unlocked, not sure if it matters. I had the same query when I unlocked, but wondered if I missed something in the WIKI, so didn't ask due to a good flaming (if you aint done your research you can get crusified in here). Your braver than me lol
@AsifM3100: U need to do the CID/SIM update first; it will load it's own spl and radio. When U have completed the process, then U should install the hardspl before flashing your own radio and or rom.
Sotian
You post made me laugh. However I have made the same observation but couldnt find the answer in the wiki or other posts. Its one of the reasons why I have put off unlocking and flashing for such a long time. So many people who you feel sorry for, cos they have bricked their phones and who are panicking, just get told to do the research. When you are in that state the last thing you need is research. Its such a contrast to the SAP developer network site that I use regularly where evryone is so keen to help (me included).
Having said that its still the best site for us Hermese peeps. I would be in no state to unlock if it wasnt for this site. I just hope nothing goes wrong.
Regards
Asif
AsifM3100 said:
Sotian
Its such a contrast to the SAP developer network site that I use regularly where evryone is so keen to help (me included).
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3 thoughts on this:
1. It is scary when the Germans are nicer than us
2. You gotta feel sorry for anyone hanging around in an SAP developer network
3. We aren't so bad when people have done research. It is the "HELP PLZ!!!!! - JUST GOT MY HERMES THIS MORNING AND BRICKED IT!!!!" posts that get people upset. Or the "CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF THERE IS A WM6 ROM AVAILABLE FOR THE 8525 BY CINGULAR????" People who do their research and ask don't get crucified too badly - usually.
Oh, and regarding the question - doesn't really matter, since (as galaxys noted) the unlocker uses it's own SPL called SSPL and overrides whatever SPL you have loaded. However, it is good practice to throw HardSPL on their as the first step, since it protects the Hermes from having it's bootloader borked - and that is a good thing!
Hi todd_gj
There are not that many Germans on the SAP dewv Networks. Its mainly asian probably in Southern India. Most of the software is now developed out there, especially sisnce it costs $10 an hour. I bet most WM5/6 is churned out over there.
But I do take your point. You need to do your reading, but i have found a little extra help goes a long way to making sense of it all.
Regards
Asif
Sorry, I repeat myself because I see a Sticky post saying "NO GPS - anntena missing". I've also read a few contradicting posts so I want to make clear:
HTC Touch Dual (nike) HAS gps receiver.
It is enabled on my “Bell” ROM (Canada).
I used the Diamond test software and I can see about 10 satellites. (Nadavi_HTC_GPS_TOOL.cab)
I have also installed Google maps and Garmin Mobile XT and both work like a charm.
I don't think there is a register/settings you can change to enable it on your phone. I think you need a new ROM.
On the WIFI side, I strongly believe it has WIFI but we may need a new ROM to enable it.
Dump your rom and share!!!!
Do you have an 528 MHz CPU? If yes, you have a Neon400 that comes with built-in GPS! And that's why you can't give us Niki-Users a GPS-enabled ROM!
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The canada Released Neon400 has GPS thats been confirmed alot already confirm you have the Neon400 and theres nothing special here
htc are sure churning out lots of different versions of the nike/neon
This sounds realy good!
Need a Dump from SPL and OS. After that, i make NV-Item and RAM Dump. Then i can Compare and found this settings.
Please talk with me tomorow via ICQ or MSN!
Hi, I have no longer followed this thread as I found out I have a Neon and not a Nike.
I'll dump the Rom, SPL, OS and anythink that can be dumped if you tell me how.
The Neon400 isn't the same like Neon100/200/300 because the Neon400 based on another Chipset! This chipset is the Qualcomm MSM7201A (like the Diamond) instead of the Qualcomm MSM7200 and this chipsets doens't have a built-in GPS antenna so dumping your ROM isn't really helpfull for other HTC Neon users!
Sad but true, even for us Niki users!
Anime ... CPU doesnt interessting me ... i need a Full Ram Dump, then i can enable it. I think, GSM is present in Niki and Neon to. Possible Antenna isnt present. I need some NV-Items etc ... i will talk with Thread Starter NOW to found a solution!!!!
Aaahh, I didn't know it! I need to learn a lot more about HTC devices!
It seems HTC is always good for an surprise
Hope Netrunner will find the needed Files. With GPS the Niki is a dream for me
Thread Starter doesnt answer hehehe
Not much to answer. I don't know how to dump the ROM and I've asked before. If you can teach me I'll post the file. Mabe somone can enable the Wifi for Neon, at least.
Yes i will teach you all we need BUT please talk with me over ICQ, MSN, MAIL, Skype ... what ever!
We need a lot steps and its to complex to post only via this Thread!!!!
Some steps doesnt brick your phone, but it doesnt start the OS, after reset. Some steps need a lot of time. Full Ram Dump ~ 2 hours!
I just ordered HTC Touch Dual from bell canada
set to arrive in mail in few days, does this mean im getting the Neon400? want to be 100% sure.
and if so, should i be looking at roms made for the HTC Diamond instead of nike roms?
Due to my own problems with getting informations about issues mentioned in topic, I'm posting this thread...
Idea is simple: could anyone explain strictly, what is SPL, RADIO etc., PLEASE?? The reason is, that there is really a lot of informations about it on the forum, but as they are everywhere - they are "nowhere"...;/
In advance: sorry, that I'm not spending hours on searching for answers, but the idea is to collect all this basic informations in ONE place...
Hope you will understand and won't shout at me...x)
I bet this page will answer all of your questions. All the basic information is in this one place: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Athena
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I bet this page will answer all of your questions. All the basic information is in this one place: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Athena
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Ye, I was there of course, but sorry - no informations found about WAHT particular things ARE, only HOW TO do some things (e.g. how to make them works)... Can't find anything in "Athena for beginners" (and Athena Manual), Athena FAQ's and so on... Or am I blind...??
I have to agree with you that for noobs it can be quite overwhelming.
Here is a list of what everything stands for
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Acronyms
The radio is the part of the phone that enables communication with the cell towers and the gps satellites. Upgrades can help to improve signal strength, battery life and gps responses.
Anyone can upgrade the radio on their windows mobile phone without making any other changes to the phone (assuming that the radio was designed for your phone and not another phone- the latter is possible but requires extra work).
Upgrading the radio is quite straight forward- select a radio rom that you want and then either put it on an sd card or flash it from active sync (xp) or wmdc (vista).
This will have no impact on the operating system (o/s) and as such you will not lose anything.
Upgrading the o/s involves wiping the existing o/s- in this case you will lose all of the info on your phone- you can use 3rd party programs to backup/restore.
There are limitations on the o/s roms that you can use. Official upgrades from the supplier/maker will be straight forward- other (better/newer) roms might require you to make your phone cid unlocked so that you can install the rom.
Here is info on making your phone cid unlocked
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315831
This will also allow you to use radio roms not initially designed for your phone
There are other considerations to take into account regarding the memory allocation in the phone. Some of the o/s roms require you to change the memory allocation- more to the o/s and less to the running programs memory. These are defined as spl1.2 or the hacked spl3.5.
To hard spl your phone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316846
Once the above has been done you MUST ensure that the rom SPL matches the spl on your phone- I have made the mistake of using the wrong rom for my spl and ****ed up my phone before.
Should you wish to downgrade your spl then read
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=405604
If you forget which spl you have then enter the phone bootloader by pressing the camera button and using the stylus in the reset hole at the same time.
You can find out which radio and o/s you have by going to settings/system/device info
I hope this helps- please ask if you need more help- it is ages since I last up/downgraded my phone so hopefully any errors here will be highlighted by others.
Be warned that no rom is perfect (not even the stock roms) and that upgrading is not allowed under the terms of the warranty and is not with out risk.
It is fun though...
Wonderful!! Thank you a lot, imaginarynumber! This informations are really usefull Only two questions at the moment...
imaginarynumber said:
There are limitations on the o/s roms that you can use. Official upgrades from the supplier/maker will be straight forward- other (better/newer) roms might require you to make your phone cid unlocked so that you can install the rom.
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OK, but how can I check, or is my device CID-locked or maybe not...? (I'm not the first owner, so I've got no idea...) Or maybe unlocking already unlocked device wont cause any additional problems...?
imaginarynumber said:
There are other considerations to take into account regarding the memory allocation in the phone. Some of the o/s roms require you to change the memory allocation- more to the o/s and less to the running programs memory. These are defined as spl1.2 or the hacked spl3.5.
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So the only difference is a size of memory allocations?? Are this amounts constant for each SPL? And so the rule "higher (version) is better" doesn't works here...?
Thank you a lot for all this work one more time...
hi mrkazor
If the phone is not cid unlocked then you would not be able to use any rom other than the maker's/supplier's rom, so for example if you had a cid lock tmobile then when trying to flash it would check the signature of the rom and if it found that it was not a t-mobile rom it would not allow you to flash it.
I believe that you can check the cid status with mtty using the info 2 command (its a telnet program).
I think that it is ok to cid unlock a phone that is already cid locked (but it would be safer to check/ask in the cid unlock post).
Re the spl, there are two allocation sets, spl1.2 and 3.5 with the latter taking up more memory for the o/s. In general the higher spl version roms have more bells and whistles but there is also the risk of more incompatibility crashes/problems with the extra clever new programs. Newer windows mobile versions will require increasingly higher spl/memory allocations.
To date I have never found a perfect rom- some are better than others depending on your requirements.
I went as far as wm6.1 from wm5 and played with many different wm6.1 roms.
At the time of writing MichyPrima has a wm6.5 that looks quite impressive.
The key thing to remember with any roms is that they are based on the buggy windows ce platform.
Good luck
You were right - dont't know about CID-lock, but I had't had SIM-lock on my device before for sure, and now I have already passed all 3 steps (Sim-unlock, CID-unlock) of Olipro's Athena Unlocker, having no additional problems And what could be more interesting: succeed even despite Windows 7 on my PC I've also updated radio to 1.57, but still having SPL 1.2... In the future will be needed 3.5 (e.g. for WM6.5 by Michy ), but I have no idea how to upgrade it Is the SPL avaliable as a file (like radio) to inclose it to RUU...?
hi mrkaczor
Sorry an ommission on my behalf.
There is no single spl upgrade per se. You need to do the ap4 upgrade which will move you to spl3.5 at the same time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387409
After that you can then try any of the other spl3.5 roms or if you ever want to go back to an earlier stock rom you will need the spl downgrader, found here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=405604
These forums are the best single source of info for htc owners but the info is not always as easy to find as perhaps it could be. I guess that there are very good reasons for this but that is cold comfort to a newbie. That said many of the memebers (much wiser than me!!!) are willing to devote a lot of time to helping others. I think that some of the more experienced and established members like to pretend to be grumpy sods... yet they still help those in dire needs.
Welcome to the "club".
Hope this helps
Hope I didn't come across as a "grumpy sod". I thought the wiki was fairly thorough and covered the OP's questions.
One thing I can tell you from experience - if you have 3G available in your area, you want to upgrade to radio 1.58. It has a large network speed improvement over 1.57 and all earlier radio roms.
imaginarynumber, yes - this DO helps...xD Thanks one more time
techntrek said:
One thing I can tell you from experience - if you have 3G available in your area, you want to upgrade to radio 1.58. It has a large network speed improvement over 1.57 and all earlier radio roms.
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But does it works correctly?? Couse author of the thread about Radio v1.58 writes:
lakeman said:
** adition October 2008 **
Unfortunately Video call is not playing nicely with this radio
I have had to revert to Radio 1.57 to get it working again
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So does 3G works on your device?? Because I have it available in my town, so I'd rather have efficient video calls...
BTW. And how it is about GPS signal? How long is your device waiting for it? Cause I've had radio v1.45 before, and it took ages for my x7500 to connect with satelites:/ And no chance for that inside the building (and for example my father's Mio p560 connects even from the building, of course not too far from some windows... Could Mio have better radio than HTC??)
Hi Techntrek
My slight wasn't aimed at you, honestly. I recently revisited the wiki after not having played with my ameo for ages and found that although it is comprehensive it is not "easy" to follow.
My grumpy sod reference was aimed more at the SuperGods such as Olipro- I have seen how much hard work he puts in so I assume that it is some kinda elder statesman bravado
I think the main problem is that there are too many assumptions re the experience of the reader. As a first timer it is difficult to follow.
Some of the threads in this forum become outrageously long, for example,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=477235
The above is a thread for the touch pro- it is hoped that users will post problems there rather than starting a new thread- there are over 2000 posts- how helpful is that.
I hope that I am not coming across as ungrateful but who has the time to go through such long posts- not even knowing if their problem is covered there or not.
I am unable to provide a better solution and thus respect people such as mrkaczor who have the guts to ask basic questions in-spite of the fear of being shot down. By the same token I also respect people like you (techntrek) who are happy to help others- keep it up
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Mrkaczor
With regard to the radio options- we have little choice with regard to radios compared to some other handsets- I never noticed any real improvement in GPS- others have. I never make video calls so issues here have never been a concern.
It seems that one radio might suit one mobile subscriber more than others. It might be helpful to mention in the radio thread which provider you are with and ask others on the same network which radio worked best for them.
Good luck
Android port any chance any new info
might want to sticky an android topic, new fresh details as of 28th jan 2010
I´m a fully ignorant in programming but I have an idea on my mind, if the Nexus One have the same Snapdragon platform that Toshiba TG01, could be possible a port of Android 2.1 to the Toshiba TG01 and HTC HD2 also with Snapdragon?
I don´t know if it´s possible or not, but to me would be a dream have the power of Toshiba with Android ... and if it would have Sense UI would be perfect xDD
I saw someone said Android on TG01, don't know if this is true or not.
gsmarena.com/toshiba_tg01-reviews-2662.php
cadmann said:
I saw someone said Android on TG01, don't know if this is true or not.
gsmarena.com/toshiba_tg01-reviews-2662.php
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Oh, can't believe it
Yeah i think the dood who posted that over at gsmarena was just lying.
Out of my own interest I've tried a few builds of Android on the TG01 but havn't got anything to boot up fully yet - i havn't played with startup.txt files or anything yet - i might have another dabble at the weekend if i get abit of time.
I'm not a dev and have minimal knowledge of Linux so theres not too much i can do, but if we could at least get a build to boot and show the Home screen i think would be a great start to springboard development.
There's a lot of builds of Android for HTC devices flying around, it couldnt hurt to try them and see what happens - You cannot harm your device in any way doing this as it isn't flashed to ROM just copy the relevent files to the root of your SD card and then run HARET.EXE application.
I've noticed the boot text is really tiny so it's difficult to read any error messages and such.
If anyone has a go at testing any builds it might be worth posting here with the build and results of any testing.
Also this may well be just a complete waste of time - who knows!
Cheers
Paul
paulrgod said:
You cannot harm your device in any way doing this as it isn't flashed to ROM
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If I recall well some discussions in Android for Diamond threads, if you try to tweak the settings in Haret and give it bad values you can hurt your device or the memory card... So be carefull...
To people not confident in what they are doing : don't do it ! You have been warned
Howell said:
If I recall well some discussions in Android for Diamond threads, if you try to tweak the settings in Haret and give it bad values you can hurt your device or the memory card... So be carefull...
To people not confident in what they are doing : don't do it ! You have been warned
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Thanks Howell, im sure people here would be more than aware of any possible risks as always with this sort of stuff but from my understanding this should be safe - the HARET application is simply a bootloader for the Linux kernel - it absolutely cannot write to your phone's system files - it can however write files to your SD but cannot damage it in any way - the generated files can simply be deleted.
There's actually no settings to tweak in HARET either - it simply looks for a startup.txt file, if theres none present you have the option to browse for one - theres nothing else to tweak. The startup.txt file contains the settings that Haret reads - if this isn't correct it simply crashes the device which then requires a soft reset if in fact it doesn't reboot itself.
If someone who actually knows from experience and not 'recalling from another thread' wants to verify any Harm that can be caused with HARET please let us know!
Thanks
Paul
They have port android on HD1. Like it's in WVGA, maybe some crazy guys want to try
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=621498&highlight=android+HD
Supports Blackstone, Diamond, Diamond 500, Fuze, Raphael, Raphael 800, Rhodium, Tilt 2 & Topaz
if programmers started making a port i would consider getting a tg01 i love the white color, currently i have a htc fuze and am always running android onit.
who are the main android developers on forum?
Just Trying
Just Trying The Hatet way on my phone also trying the htc .cab way
dam they both just fail and i tried all startup.txt files for all phones!!!
It ain't that easy. You need the configure the starup.txt you need to find the Thosiba tg01 id etc etc...
You need a kernell who works with the toshiba hardware...
You need a lot, but it is posible.
i am currently trawling the intraweb looking for a zimage kernal to run my tg01 and trying to do the startup file myself.
slow going...
If u get android working on tg01 please upload the file and give us a link please
ditto, you'd be a legend if you could get it going!!
i think android will be so cool on this device come on android geeks where are you we need your skills show us what you can do do us proud and bring android to tg01 i dare you if you can hell i will even donate let the world know we want android on toshiba tg01 let the android games begin.......... woops sorry if i got abit carried away.
I agree and i would donate to if we could get android on tg01!!!!
CUMON!!!
android 2 be or not 2 be that is the question
did anyone try latest xandroid build
LeTo08 said:
They have port android on HD1. Like it's in WVGA, maybe some crazy guys want to try
Supports Blackstone, Diamond, Diamond 500, Fuze, Raphael, Raphael 800, Rhodium, Tilt 2 & Topaz
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I had already tried. I had previously a HTC HD and i put the same memory card in my new TG01. I tried to run Haret.exe, but the phone stuck and need to remove the battery to turn on again.
Tg01 android
CEDARSMITH IN tg01 forum is decrypting TG01 AT MINUTE IF ANYONE POST MESSAGES HIM HE MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU DEVICE IDS AND STUFF
I've found a nice alternative to HSPL here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334667&page=10 and I've asked there if anyone used it on HTC Mega with no response.
So I'm opening this thread here and maybe anyone who knows better will light us up about how we can use JumpSPL safely with HTC Mega and what is the jump address for this device?
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I've found a nice alternative to HSPL here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334667&page=10 and I've asked there if anyone used it on HTC Mega with no response.
So I'm opening this thread here and maybe anyone who knows better will light us up about how we can use JumpSPL safely with HTC Mega and what is the jump address for this device?
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I would wait in your place to HardSPL before you make of your phone a paperweight. ..
anybody explain why is it so dangerous ? i know only that JumpSPL is more succesful on old devices ... but why ? and what's the real difference ?!
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anybody explain why is it so dangerous ? i know only that JumpSPL is more succesful on old devices ... but why ? and what's the real difference ?!
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technically HSPL is very similar to JSPL and SSPL... with just one factor difference... HSPL has overwrite protection..... finding the memory jumpmaddress is easy... but making the SPL stable for the device is tough especially since HTC has improved security on newer MFG bootloaders.... SO WAIT FOR HSPL.. or youll end up witha very expensive paperweight
Jump SPL needs a SPL to load and jump to.
Unless someone feels like patching a Stock SPL to be a SSPL then this won't work. (this is where cmonex comes in )
And for the love of God, please don't test any other devices JumpSPL / SSPLs.
Dave
Thanks for the answer.
faurionutz said:
I've tested on my Mega while I was trying to unlock it with mx-key dongle. It doesn't work yet
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same problem here...mxkey not working on this model.
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