I have been reading all of the threads and posts concerning the 3g issues. I cant decide what the real situation is...I have read that people have flashed a pre release fuze with some of the wwe roms, but never has anyone given a straight answer that the "Fuze" even gets 3G or 3.5G (I miss it dearly!) So just a few direct questions...does a "Fuze" pre release get 3G now...and if so, does it get it with the other roms? Is it a imei lockout or a device lock or what is in our way of success on this matter? If the fuze is getting it now, cant we flash the TP with the software in the "pre release" Fuze? I know that I took my 3G (was getting 3.5G in my kaiser HSDPA) Sim and put it in my current "dream phone" after spending 800 on the EU version I have been let down severely by HTC! Does anyone know if its software or hardware? thanks in advance!
Boomin
Las Vegas
yes the fuze software has been flashed and no it doesnt get 3g. the in the elite project thread they say that it is more complex than just putting on software or radio firmware. I am in the same boat as you with the same investment as you so I am looking for a solution. We have to prepare ourselves for the possible negative outcome of impossability. It is still not known if it is a hardware limitation or not yet. The elite tem will figure it out though.
I think he's asking if a "Fuze" (the hardware, not the ROM) gets 3G, not whether the Fuze ROM on a Touch Pro gets 3G. I have had the same question - it isn't clear that the one person who had a Fuze (pre-release AT&T phone) ever actually got 3G.
The pre-release fuze DEFINATLY get 3G in the US, this is clear from the posts in the threads already in place on this topic.
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The pre-release fuze DEFINATLY get 3G in the US, this is clear from the posts in the threads already in place on this topic.
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Yeah, I can't really understand how it's "unclear" whether or not my Fuze got 3G when I posted pictures like this:
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ok...enough of the sarcasm...
ok...so here is our challenge...What is the difference! side by side the rom, side by side the phone and lets figure this out! What am I missing here and why does everyone have to be so uptight about it! Cant we all just have 3g and 3.5G?
What was the difference in the Diamond? I have read that the FCC just APPROVED the FUZE (yes with 3G as the picture shows!) what was the model number of the phone? did anyone tear it apart yet? has anyone torn apart their b.s. non 3 g version (hell I will do it if you send me the FUZE!)
What did it take to get 3G on the diamond? I bet it isnt that different...
sorry just getting annoyed and impatient with my POS 800$ slow a$$ phone...
boomin said:
ok...so here is our challenge...What is the difference! side by side the rom, side by side the phone and lets figure this out! What am I missing here and why does everyone have to be so uptight about it! Cant we all just have 3g and 3.5G?
What was the difference in the Diamond? I have read that the FCC just APPROVED the FUZE (yes with 3G as the picture shows!) what was the model number of the phone? did anyone tear it apart yet? has anyone torn apart their b.s. non 3 g version (hell I will do it if you send me the FUZE!)
What did it take to get 3G on the diamond? I bet it isnt that different...
sorry just getting annoyed and impatient with my POS 800$ slow a$$ phone...
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Well, it's fine that you're frustrated, but before you come in here expecting answers, read what's already been posted. I won't repeat everything that's been said about why 3G can't work on the Diamond or Touch Pro, but it's been exhausted. They've tried changing ROMs and radios, not as simple as that, they're digging deeper into it to see what they can do as far as getting 3G on the European Diamond in North America but it's not looking too good so far.
I also found...
Telstra in Australia offers what they call "Nextg" which looks the same as HSDPA in US (3.5g) on 850MHZ. I browsed their site and couldnt find any Touch pros, only the diamond. I wonder if they are going to show a newer release date than ATT? Anything I can do to help in this project, please let me know. I am an eet and have been playing with cellphones since the first brick. I know my way around anyphone...and I am not afraid to tear down this TP! anyone have any ideas?
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boomin
The Telstra Diamond works on AT&T 850mhz UMTS band, but not 1900mhz. Considering the US Diamond is available now, that point is moot. As for the TP, the rumored release is like 3 weeks away for AT&T, I think we can wait until then.
wow...
kinda seems like we are "over complicating" this process...No one ever wants to answer my questions, I have spent endless hours on this website, so once again, we know its one or the other, hardware or software, can we at least agree on this? So obviously the FUSE pre release is getting 3G is it identical hardware? Havent seen this one answered anywhere...and if it is, why cant we flash the software from the Fuse to it? What am I missing here?
thanks
boomin
boomin said:
kinda seems like we are "over complicating" this process...No one ever wants to answer my questions, I have spent endless hours on this website, so once again, we know its one or the other, hardware or software, can we at least agree on this? So obviously the FUSE pre release is getting 3G is it identical hardware? Havent seen this one answered anywhere...and if it is, why cant we flash the software from the Fuse to it? What am I missing here?
thanks
boomin
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If you haven't found the answer, you haven't searched enough, NO the Fuze is not the same hardware. RAPH110 = Fuze, RAPH100 = European Raphael. Do we know if the hardware is the same as far as radios go? No, we have no clue. There are developers who know more about this than either you or I could comprehend working on the issue, if you think it's so simple, flash a European Touch Pro yourself and see what you can get.
The australian version of the touch pro is also 3g enabled. my friend works for ms and has just ordered me one today. should see it on friday. it is able to connect to the 3.5g frequencies.
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The australian version of the touch pro is also 3g enabled. my friend works for ms and has just ordered me one today. should see it on friday. it is able to connect to the 3.5g frequencies.
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Indeed, but as we talked about before, it would get 850mhz 3G here in the US but not 1900mhz. The bigger issue is that the European/Australian versions can't get the same frequencies as the US uses for 3G... We're "different" here in the States.
is 3.5G 850 or 1900?
anyone know?
thanks
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anyone know?
thanks
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HSPA is run along 3G, in areas where AT&T uses 850mhz, it's 850mhz... In areas where they use 1900mhz, it's 1900mhz... All of this information is VERY readily available if you were to search and learn more about the different UMTS frequencies. No one is going to take you by the hand and teach you everything you need to know about phones.
Its not the same hardware. Case in point, my Touch Pro has a forward facing camera for video calls. The Fuze will not have this. I'm not sure, but it wouldn't surprise me that the Fuze has the "push to talk" button as well.
On the internals... while it might not be radically different, the ICs might be slightly different. It is not uncommon in the IC world to sell bondouts of the same chip, with certain features enabled/disabled. It would be the same basic chip, so 99% of the software would be the same. Just on one chip, you could access certain features and in others you couldn't.
Making ICs these days is very expensive. I can make a quad band 3G chip, and sell it to several markets... a Euro flavor (where use is disabled), a US flavor (where Euro is disabled) and a true quad band (where everything is enabled)... and sell them at different prices. Its often cheaper (especially on low volume or complex parts) to do it this way.
Sometimes these bondouts get different part numbers (even though if you look at the die, its the same... just a packaging change or a fuse change) sometimes companies will give them the same name and you can't tell other than reading some internal register ID.
Like I said, not sure this is what is going on with the Fuze/Touch Pro... but it is one possible explanation for how you could have a "common platform" with hardware limitations.
-=TK
I don´t have many hope on getting 3G in Euro TP at 850Mhz... Is almost evident that there is a hardware limitation for that (people with a lot of experience like Elite Project team have been working on this without success yet)... I don´t know what the "History" on HTC devices could tell us about ( is there a similar experience on other devices in the past?).. Dudes... I really started to thinking on sell my Raphael
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Its not the same hardware. Case in point, my Touch Pro has a forward facing camera for video calls. The Fuze will not have this. I'm not sure, but it wouldn't surprise me that the Fuze has the "push to talk" button as well.
On the internals... while it might not be radically different, the ICs might be slightly different. It is not uncommon in the IC world to sell bondouts of the same chip, with certain features enabled/disabled. It would be the same basic chip, so 99% of the software would be the same. Just on one chip, you could access certain features and in others you couldn't.
Making ICs these days is very expensive. I can make a quad band 3G chip, and sell it to several markets... a Euro flavor (where use is disabled), a US flavor (where Euro is disabled) and a true quad band (where everything is enabled)... and sell them at different prices. Its often cheaper (especially on low volume or complex parts) to do it this way.
Sometimes these bondouts get different part numbers (even though if you look at the die, its the same... just a packaging change or a fuse change) sometimes companies will give them the same name and you can't tell other than reading some internal register ID.
Like I said, not sure this is what is going on with the Fuze/Touch Pro... but it is one possible explanation for how you could have a "common platform" with hardware limitations.
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First things first, yes it does have push to talk, I remapped it when I had it because PTT is $4.99 a month (was $9.99 when I had the Fuze) and I don't need it. Also correct in the fact that it had no front-facing camera, and that may be enough for them to change the hardware from RAPH100 to RAPH110.
Next, that's what everyone is hoping for, similar internals to get all bands of 3G, and the geniuses are trying to break down the software and see if there's a way to crack into that quad-band UMTS possibility. I'm not sure how close they are or what chances they have, but then again, I don't even know if they know what chance they have. They're doing all they can, so it's just frustrating to see people jump in here and demand info without taking the effort to look around... The answer to all of the questions of "why can't you just" and "isn't it as easy as" is this... If it were that easy, all of the people who spent $1,100 on their Touch Pro would have 3G in the United States. They don't, but there are people working hard to change that. Just sit tight and wait for information to come, I promise it will be ALL OVER the Raphael forum once 3G is available for the Euro Raphael (if ever, cross your fingers).
demanding?
No, not at all, offering services to open phones (i am more hardware based than software) But I also understand that what we are trying to do has been done...the fuse works, the TP Euro doesnt. I am the manager of a shop that I have employees tell me "its not possible" all day, then I teach them how to do it or at least another way of doing it. So dont take offense, we are all just trying to help each other out...Its obviously not simple or it would be done. But what makes all you guys any better than the rest of us, because we dont have time to spend 5 hrs a day researching all the threads. Before I opened this thread, I spent 3 days reading. I read ALL threads...and to have you guys mock me like I am an ignorant because I dont spend all day everyday reading is ridiculous...
thanks
boomin
p.s. F++k this piece of s++t phone...no 3g sux Im ready to buy the att...anyone want mine for 750?
MY GOD this discussion is getting old fast people, the elite team is looking into the issue and any conclusions will be shared with the forum. Simple.
Thread closed as it is going nowhere. All the info presented in this thread is repeated from the already existing thread HERE, so there was no need to create a new one.
Carry on the discussion there please.
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I bought a new SX56 from an ebayer and it appears to be unlocked etc. I put my current active Cingular SIM card in it but I get a no signal message after it searches for signal. The device came with xda-developers.com ROM version v1.2 on it. I have tried to switch to all of the different Bandswitch settings with no success. HELP PLEASE!!! ANYONE??!!
What's your RSU version ... you can get it from device info or displayed while booting.
PS: it's very risky to use the GSM menu this way. Check with your operator and select the right band once and for ever.
No signal on SX56
My device info is:
ROM ver: 3.17.03 ENG
ROM date? 05/15/03
Radio Version 6.12
Protocol version 324e4
Seems you have a bit old ROM and RSU ... you better check with one in your area but I see here some people have either TMO 4.01.00 + 6.24 or AT&T 30.09 + A30 and they are on Cingular. The right bandwidth setting is the key factor.
Thanks for your reply. I don't know how to do the updates you refer to. I hate to return the thing because I got a good deal on it, but if I can't use it on Cingular I don't know what else to do with it? Any help would be appreciated.
Doc
You can get the complete TMO update (ROM + RSU) here ftp://tmobile:[email protected]:21
Good luck ...
Hi,
I tried to link and get an error trying to connect. Could you please send it again :?: ? Do you think updating to windows 2003 would be if help? I can download it for free from the Siemens website. I just don't want it to lock the phone or cause any damage!
Doc
The official update from AT&T should be OK ... however, you device is better to be PW10B type (check the rear sticker) these upgrades were made for USA use.
Also, if you are in the Cingular 850Mhz only zone, you wont be able to catch signal, cause none of the RSU's will support this band.... (quite unfortunate for all of us in North America)
Thanks for your reply. I'm not sure of the Band mHz on Cingular. I will try to find out from them if I can. Guess I'm the die hard type but I still want it to work or I'll have to abandon it. Any other help will be appreciated
Doc
Mavrik said:
Also, if you are in the Cingular 850Mhz only zone, you wont be able to catch signal, cause none of the RSU's will support this band.... (quite unfortunate for all of us in North America)
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Quite unfortunate indeed. What are the chances that AT&T will release one in the future to make it compatible with Cingular 850 networks after the merger?
I still think there is a way to tune a digital device to another frequency. AT&T has a deal on these for $99.99 and it was just bought out by Cingular. It would be logical that Siemens has something in the mix an upgraded model, different freq. etc.
Doc
doc said:
I still think there is a way to tune a digital device to another frequency. AT&T has a deal on these for $99.99 and it was just bought out by Cingular. It would be logical that Siemens has something in the mix an upgraded model, different freq. etc.
Doc
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That's what I am thinking. I am a Cingular employee so I bought one to put on my ERP but I can only use AT&T and T-Mobile signals at the moment.
I am 100% certain that it is possible to get the device to work on 850, more than likely just restricted in the radio stack.
You are lucky!! I have six phones through Cingular and they have been trying to get me a Treo 600 since December!! I'd prefer a windows based device hence my reason for buying a SX56. I had no way to know it would not work on Cingular. All the ads I see for unlocked phones claim they will work on any GSM carrier with an active SIM card.
Obviously it doesn't work hence my involvement in all of this!!
Doc
It is possible that somebody has got cingular sim to work on 850, if they were in close proximity to a mast maybe the 50mhz wouldnt mean too much and a signal could be acquired, but you would still be using a phone detuned by 50mhz which isnt an ideal situation.
I'm not an expert but 50mhz is a pretty big difference in frequency. The splash over from 800 to 850 or 900 to 850 is pretty big. It probably would not work very well even a few feet away from the site where it functions. Still there has to be a way to to tune one of these to 850mhz.
Doc
re: the 850 tunning question, As far as I understand this is a hardware aspect of the radio, thus you can not tune to this freq. This is also the reason AT&T did not brand the XDA II, because HTC would not impliment 850 into the device. You are more likely to see a HP6300 or MPx in this department as they are both quadband phones (meaning 850 implimentation) the real question is, will either of these phones be EDGE enabled? My quess is the HP will but the MPx will not. Reasoning: Rumor was HP was using TI Ref design WANDA. TI make EDGE hardware for phones. TI processor may be in the HP phone. The bottom line is you will need new hardware for 850 or EDGE. Sorry for the bad news, I too would love to be proved wrong. Guess I'll have to pony the dough for one of these two new devices. I really loved my HTC device but if they aren't going to keep up...I have no choice. I still feel the XDA will be a better over all device, but without 850 & EDGE implimentation it's going to fall way short. It's nice to own a Corvet, but if a Honda goes faster...why buy the brand name.
re: the 850 tunning question, As far as I understand this is a hardware aspect of the radio, thus you can not tune to this freq. This is also the reason AT&T did not brand the XDA II, because HTC would not impliment 850 into the device. You are more likely to see a HP6300 or MPx in this department as they are both quadband phones (meaning 850 implimentation) the real question is, will either of these phones be EDGE enabled? My quess is the HP will but the MPx will not. Reasoning: Rumor was HP was using TI Ref design WANDA. TI make EDGE hardware for phones. TI processor may be in the HP phone. The bottom line is you will need new hardware for 850 or EDGE. Sorry for the bad news, I too would love to be proved wrong. Guess I'll have to pony the dough for one of these two new devices. I really loved my HTC device but if they aren't going to keep up...I have no choice. I still feel the XDA will be a better over all device, but without 850 & EDGE implimentation it's going to fall way short. It's nice to own a Corvet, but if a Honda goes faster...why buy the brand name.
I'm getting depressed. I bought this thing thinking it would just be a matter of sticking the SIM card in and off we go!! I've emailed 15 times, joined three different PDA/Phone forums and learned more about these damn things than I ever intended. Now I have a slow PDA, a car charger, extra case, extra sync/usb cable and it won't work on Cingular which I can't change!!!
HELP!!!
Wallaby from T-Mobile works fine with Cingular
Excuse me if I'm way off base, but I just moved over to Cingular from T-Mobile using an unlocked Wallaby, and it works fine. The only thing I haven't been able to do is to make a GPRS connection.
I don’t know if i in the right forum-but it appears what i am after which is “a fix to the touch-pro to enable UTMS 850 (wcdma)”, which has been released here in Australia as 900-2100. Telstra our biggest service provider operates on 850, so my “Touch Pro” does not work. Now here’s the thing, HTC released in Australia the Touch Diamond, operating at 900-2100 as is the Touch Pro, they have just released a new Telstra ROM in Australia that upgrades the settings of the Diamond to include the 850 range on utms, so the touch diamond in Australia is now UTS 850-2100. This means the problem is software, however I am nowhere near good at this, could someone not check out this rom and modify it for the Touch Pro, it is available on the HTC Australian site. If this works please let me know.
Thanks 20 times
Touch Pro European version has always had UMTS 850/1900 as a setting you can select. Problem is you can select it but it doesn't work. Do you know if the Telstra ROM you are referring to has been shown to work with UMTS 850?
20times said:
I don’t know if i in the right forum-but it appears what i am after which is “a fix to the touch-pro to enable UTMS 850 (wcdma)”, which has been released here in Australia as 900-2100. Telstra our biggest service provider operates on 850, so my “Touch Pro” does not work. Now here’s the thing, HTC released in Australia the Touch Diamond, operating at 900-2100 as is the Touch Pro, they have just released a new Telstra ROM in Australia that upgrades the settings of the Diamond to include the 850 range on utms, so the touch diamond in Australia is now UTS 850-2100. This means the problem is software, however I am nowhere near good at this, could someone not check out this rom and modify it for the Touch Pro, it is available on the HTC Australian site. If this works please let me know.
Thanks 20 times
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This is not a UMTS-850 update, see
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2480588&postcount=26
bersca said:
Touch Pro European version has always had UMTS 850/1900 as a setting you can select. Problem is you can select it but it doesn't work. Do you know if the Telstra ROM you are referring to has been shown to work with UMTS 850?
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The touch Pro in Australia, does not even have an option for 850 utms as did the the touch dimond, however they have just released an upgrade rom for the dimond that now makes it possible to obtain 850 utms. As the dimond is similar to the touch pro couldnt the experts extract the settings from that rom and export it to the Touch Pro rom? I dont know im just hoping thats the case. If so it should fix the range in europe as well?
850 band in australia
i have ben told by australian htc support that it is a hardware limitation that they will not fix this that they have no intention to do so. They have basically turned there nose up at Telstra as they didnt want to support there phone 3 interpret that as cash), so they have not offered the 850 band as a hardware limitation.
Those with cracked roms showing 850 band, does not operate at 850.
I am extremely mad at this narrow minded pathetic device for which I purchased two of them for about 2500 bucks in total and because I use telstra there comments are along the lines of (paraphrased) get stufed, we dont care, were not refunding, we wont warranty it, the device is not a total pathetic useless piece of **** cause we told you it was 900/2100 only!!!
I know a lot about these phones used them for years and didnt pickup the omission of 850 band (not knowing), my complaint is they should expressly state that "IT DOES NOT WORK ON TELSTRA NEXT G NETWORK AND YOU WILL NOT GET NEXT G SPEED, NEXT G COVERAGE, NOR HSDPA INTERNET SPEEDS ON THE TELSTRA NETWORK"
so in essence, you can only use this on vodaphone, optus, or 3 network.
My phones default back to EDGE speeds wtf!!! alas, the omission rather than explicit statements is what the sneaky good for nothing companies now resort to.
Due credit to www.expansys.com.au, they with integrity, honesty and openness have updated there website to state it will not support telstra next G
As such, dont bother. HTC felt it was prudent in there business management and marketing hype to exclude Australia biggest telecommunications company, fastest internet speed, and greatest coverage.... whilst simulataneously stating that the device is not faulty or flawed and was done by design and marketed by omission!!!
I sent a message to HTC customer support.... I wonder if they will respond....
Curiosity and frustration has got the better of me.
What is the state of your phones with compatability to the nextG network in Australia. I would love to get a HD but if it means that Im only going to get edge network performance I would be better off getting a 16gb iPhone!
For the same argument, I work for a large importer and travel a lot. So cross band compatability IS an issue if I am travelling asia and europe.
Can I please find out what the plans are for your devices on the BIGGEST mobile network in Australia... Telstra NextG.
Or alternately why you have made the choice to shun NextG users and corporate travellers by castrating these wonderful devices and leaving them half as functional as they should be???
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850 band
LOL
Good onya
Bet they dont respond, or they respond with there normal subtleties and innuendo promising everything, delivering something sub-optimal.
There weird i find, in there marketing pitch that they can "spin" on a complaint or comment with avoidance and subtleties.
I also a a long time user of HTC, and brought the Touch Pro from expansys without knowledge of the no support for Telstra. HTC as quoted told me also that they had no intention of supporting Telstra, cut your nose despite your face or what! “Only the biggest service provider in the country and the only provider that supports country areas”. Who is in charge of their marketing? What an idiot. Everyone says it is a hardware limitation, well im not a phone tech just a user and HTC said that about the HTC Dimond 900-2100. Well how come HTC and Telstra now support the Dimond and all of a sudden the ROM upgrade allows the dimond to have 850-2100? I know for a fact in about 6 months Telstra through HTC will release the ROM upgrade for the Touch Pro. So i don’t believe HTC about the hardware limitations and I believe the answers out there, it just gona take someone with a lot more knowledge than me to work it out. I would not have thought there was not that much difference in the Touch Pro ROM and the Dimond ROM- however as stated im no expert.
Thanks 20Times
Does anyone have an update on this? Is it possible to find out what they did firmware wise on the Diamond?
I too don't believe there is a hardware limitation, oddly though when I went to the latest Hut3 ROM (for AUstralia) I have the UMTS850 option but it doesn't work (no surprise).
Maybe some of the more experienced members can look into the diffeence between a working Diamond UMTS850 ROM & the Hut3 ROM?
The response.....
Hi All,
I got a response... and it wasn't dismissive though it was short and stated only about the HD (sorry, I know its the TP thread!).
They said they are expecting to relaes the HD on the Australian Market in January 09 and that it is expected that there will be a NextG compatable version.
If that means a 850 UMTS version then there "should" be a US version too.
Lets wait and see what HTC can bring to the table.
To be honest folks, I despise and hate Telstra with every bone in my body (people complain about Microsoft but Telstra is 10 BILLION times WORSE!!!!) so I really don't care about this issue... BUT
1. Telstra does NOT offer the TP on their network or for sale within their shops/resellers
2. HTC have NEVER said or listed the TP as being compatible with the Telstra CrapG Australia-only network
3. HTC have ALWAYS listed the frequencies their phones work on - a NORMAL person would have done due diligence BEFORE spending any money
4. A NORMAL person would know Telstra HAS to be different from the rest of the world*, which means ONLY phones sold by Telstra are known to work on their network.
Basically... YOU stuffed up. It is YOUR fault YOU did not LOOK / LEARN and READ. It is NOT HTC's fault. Next time you consider buying a phone... do your homework!!! Don't blame others for YOUR own mistakes.
Bottom line - you should have purchased the 850Mhz American version as they have just as bad mobile phone systems as Telstra - so they might be compatible. Personally I do not think a software update to the phone will enable and allow the 850Mhz freq to work correctly... because there are two hardware versions of the phone available for sale; one for the 900/1900/2100 and another for the 850.
*Isn't it a shame the REST OF THE WORLD (including Vodafone and Optus in Australia) actually having forward thinking and good networks COMPETITIVELY SHARING the 900/1900/2100 freq's.
NOTE: I do not work for any of the businesses named in this posting... but I do have a Touch Pro that I can use anywhere in the world, including Australia :-D
GTRoberts said:
*Isn't it a shame the REST OF THE WORLD (including Vodafone and Optus in Australia) actually having forward thinking and good networks COMPETITIVELY SHARING the 900/1900/2100 freq's.
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While I agree with the rest of your message... but just to clarify..
1. North American markets use 850/1900 I believe because when those networks were being built, the 900/1800mhz frequencies were already allocated by the FCC in the USA. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM#Technical_details "Some countries in the Americas (including Canada and the United States) use the 850 MHz and 1900 MHz bands because the 900 and 1800 MHz frequency bands were already allocated."
2. Canada, and several countries in South America followed USA using 850/1900 because they saw more value in being able to offer network compatibility (read: roaming charges) to USA travelers, than overseas travelers.
3. Networks in North America share the frequencies just like they do in non-North American markets, for example, T-Mobile, and AT&T in the USA operate in the same bands, as do Rogers & Fido in Canada (the fact that Rogers now actually owns Fido is beside the point, they shared the frequency when Fido was owned by Microcell as well). I also happen to know that the USA/Canada markets are sharing the bands fine as well... being a resident of Niagara Falls, Canada... being so close to the Canada/USA border I can give 1st hand experience that depending on where I am, its not unusual for me to pick up the USA networks while in Canada and still being able to see my own. Personally, I believe that some of the USA carriers have purposely put towers as close to the border as possible in an attempt to catch unsuspecting Canadians roaming on their networks even though they have not left the country. I know I had this happen to me before, thankfully Rogers was willing to reverse the charges for me.
The point being, the 900/1800 frequencies were already allocated for other purposes in the USA at the time that some non-North American markets decided on those frequencies. So in reality, you should be blaming those networks/carriers/regulators/governments/etc. for NOT having forward thinking and picking frequencies that they knew ahead of time would not be suitable in the USA.
GTRoberts said:
To be honest folks, I despise and hate Telstra with every bone in my body (people complain about Microsoft but Telstra is 10 BILLION times WORSE!!!!) so I really don't care about this issue... BUT
1. Telstra does NOT offer the TP on their network or for sale within their shops/resellers
2. HTC have NEVER said or listed the TP as being compatible with the Telstra CrapG Australia-only network
3. HTC have ALWAYS listed the frequencies their phones work on - a NORMAL person would have done due diligence BEFORE spending any money
4. A NORMAL person would know Telstra HAS to be different from the rest of the world*, which means ONLY phones sold by Telstra are known to work on their network.
Basically... YOU stuffed up. It is YOUR fault YOU did not LOOK / LEARN and READ. It is NOT HTC's fault. Next time you consider buying a phone... do your homework!!! Don't blame others for YOUR own mistakes.
Bottom line - you should have purchased the 850Mhz American version as they have just as bad mobile phone systems as Telstra - so they might be compatible. Personally I do not think a software update to the phone will enable and allow the 850Mhz freq to work correctly... because there are two hardware versions of the phone available for sale; one for the 900/1900/2100 and another for the 850.
*Isn't it a shame the REST OF THE WORLD (including Vodafone and Optus in Australia) actually having forward thinking and good networks COMPETITIVELY SHARING the 900/1900/2100 freq's.
NOTE: I do not work for any of the businesses named in this posting... but I do have a Touch Pro that I can use anywhere in the world, including Australia :-D
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Thanks for the informative feedback GTroberts, obviously your one of the PDA users that access you PDA in the city, maybe you would be better of using a PC. There are some people who don’t have a choice about their service provider because they use the PDAs for work and that work involves travelling in country areas, where push email is actually used what it was designed for, travelling! The only service provider that effectively covers the country is Telstra, I know as all other user with Hutchinson-Optus etc-have no coverage whilst I am still receiving phone calls and data. So as much as I don’t like Telstra they have the market-the country market- so loose the tunnel vision. Additionally no one is winging about the non availability of 850, people are asking how do we get it. As for being stupid for buying the Touch Pro in Australia for Telstra, newsflash- every HTC I have brought was compatible prior to the TP, I was on a waiting list with Expansys before it was released or the specification was available, when purchased Expansys never had the fact that it was not compatible with Next G. So when i received the phone I had no idea, as did some other folks on this forum. The fact is that everyone has realised a mistake was made and we are all only searching for solutions. It sounds like your part of the problem and not part of the solution. As for myself I have brought a Dimond and in time I know ROM will be released to upgrade the TP on 850.
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Defense for the bad purchase...
I bought the Touch Pro (being an educated Geek) I have purchased almost all of the HTC phones from the european markets because I like the newest in technology (some good some really bad!) Well, this time they threw a curve (I was upgrading from the tilt/kaiser) I didnt see the previous drama about the 850Mhz problem in the Diamond. I have purchased no less than 10 different phones from europe and this was the first time that there was a problem with quad band! My guy that I used to buy them from always told me "quad band bla bla..." lol after wasting almost $1000 US on a phone that sucks unless you send it overseas! I feel for ya brotha!
I dont agree with the fact that everyone is going to know every spec when you buy a phone...I bet you didnt know your phone could function as a disk drive! So what is the sense of "beating up" a guy that just lost/wasted mad money on a phone that SHOULD HAVE WORKED! How much do you think they saved on the "quad band delete" option? 50 cents a phone? I would almost guarantee that it had something to do with ATT! Conversation would have gone something like this....
Ya, uhh...hi, htc? yeah, this is bob the buyer from ATT...Yeah we would like to give you a purchase order for 3 billion dollars of that new phone you have, the touch pro, but I would like to put a stop to all of our customers buying imported phones...do you think you could F**K everyone else and just make the euro released phone not function at full speed over here, you know, not make it as cool as the apple 3G phone that we wasted so much on advertising with? That way "we can be in control of our network" (yeah right) Oh and by the way, we will still sell your phones even though we worship apple...
Just my 2 cents!
Anyone in anywhere besides USA and Australia want a good deal on an "almost new" Touch Pro?
[email protected]
BOOMIN!
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I bought the Touch Pro (being an educated Geek) I have purchased almost all of the HTC phones from the european markets because I like the newest in technology (some good some really bad!) Well, this time they threw a curve (I was upgrading from the tilt/kaiser) I didnt see the previous drama about the 850Mhz problem in the Diamond. I have purchased no less than 10 different phones from europe and this was the first time that there was a problem with quad band! My guy that I used to buy them from always told me "quad band bla bla..." lol after wasting almost $1000 US on a phone that sucks unless you send it overseas! I feel for ya brotha!
I dont agree with the fact that everyone is going to know every spec when you buy a phone...I bet you didnt know your phone could function as a disk drive! So what is the sense of "beating up" a guy that just lost/wasted mad money on a phone that SHOULD HAVE WORKED! How much do you think they saved on the "quad band delete" option? 50 cents a phone? I would almost guarantee that it had something to do with ATT! Conversation would have gone something like this....
Ya, uhh...hi, htc? yeah, this is bob the buyer from ATT...Yeah we would like to give you a purchase order for 3 billion dollars of that new phone you have, the touch pro, but I would like to put a stop to all of our customers buying imported phones...do you think you could F**K everyone else and just make the euro released phone not function at full speed over here, you know, not make it as cool as the apple 3G phone that we wasted so much on advertising with? That way "we can be in control of our network" (yeah right) Oh and by the way, we will still sell your phones even though we worship apple...
Just my 2 cents!
Anyone in anywhere besides USA and Australia want a good deal on an "almost new" Touch Pro?
[email protected]
BOOMIN!
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Please, don't blame others for your lack of care.
If you are buying a 1000 bucks phone you should check it's specs before closing the deal, specially if you're bringing it overseas.
In fact, when buiyng technology articles/products, you should search all the info about them, specially previews/reviews about it, in order to don't end up with something not suit for the use you intend it to.
And just because in your prior buys you didn't have a problem like the one you face now it doesn't mean you did right before.
No, on your other buys I were lucky despite being as careless.
So, stop crying and take responsability for your actions!
You did wrong, not the guys who made the phone nor the one's who sold it to you! You were careless and this time you were out of luck.
Live with it and learn your lesson: be carefull on your next buys, get all the product info before buiyng!
I assure you the chances of getting something different from what you expected will be close to zero.
That's it, I hope this post helps educating some "geeks" and whoever is interested and as well puts some shame on the careless whiners around the forums.
Lastly, sorry for going off topic, but it appeared to be the right thing to do at this time.
Cheers to all.
P.S.: Mods, please close this thread, the question has been answered and the subject is already covered around the forums as well.
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I bought the Touch Pro (being an educated Geek) I have purchased almost all of the HTC phones from the european markets because I like the newest in technology (some good some really bad!) Well, this time they threw a curve (I was upgrading from the tilt/kaiser) I didnt see the previous drama about the...
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I do know my cellphone can work as a disk drive, does it make me an educated Geek as well?? lol
I need to point out, you do not necessarily know every spec of a phone that you are about to spend thousand dollars to purchase. It's something up to you to decide. However, while you encounter a problem, do not blame the manufacture of the phone while they've already stated the working frequency of the phone on their website and even other places have the information as well. Could you really blame that??
I personally do not think that Expansys needs to clearly put "does not support Telstra's Next-G network" in words since if you are such a person who is willing to make a purchase out of such a "RIPOFF" website for a 1st hand experience for a newest tech gadget, you should know technology stuff really well, from inside out. So it really makes yourself to be the only one responsible for such an outcome. Unless Expansys or HTC mistakenly stated that the phone (Raphael 100) worked on UMTS850MHz, then you should really blame on Expansys, or HTC. Other than that, good luck.
Well, itz just my 2 cents.
all you can do now is selling your phone and go grab a US version one. mine works pretty well.
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3G no Next G
I live in a regional area (Next G, not 3G), but when I visited Perth last week, I was able to pick up Telstra3G on my HTC Touch Pro.
It was on AUTO band select so I don't know which frequency it picked up on. I'm runnin [email protected] v1.40 WWE, radio 1.02.25.32.
Still, my mate can pickup the NextG network on his Diamond, but I can't on my pro
I'm no expert but I was of the understanding is that the Raph and Diamond share most of the same hardware. I've seen on the Raph Radio Thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439566 that you can use a Diamond Radio on the Touch Pro (as long as you Security Unlock first). I'm on the 3 network (so I can watch the cricket ) so I can't test for you but I think flashing with a one of Telstra Diamond Radios might be worth a try. I've tried checking the wiki to see which Radio comes with the current Diamond from Telstra but the info doesn't seem to be there. You may need to trawl the Diamond forums to see what version others are using.
Hello all. After trolling the forums for hours, I am still unsure where we are at with all this. Could someone please advise if there is a solution to using a Touch Pro on the Telstra 3G network? Thanks in advance.
it works on telstra 3G edge and gprs but not telstra next G. 3g coverage for telstra is poor. they promote next g.
I have been searching and searching about this since long before I even got my Touch Pro(well actually AT&T Fuze) and I have stumbled across some information on the subject but not any real definitive answers.
Here in this thread, you can see that the Xperia X1 was enabled for the 1700Mhz network:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427316
In post #377 of this thread here, there is even a screenshot:
http://www.bengalboy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1107&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=370
I know there is a thread in the Blackstone section here and maybe even more.
My question is does anyone think this is possible and do you think it will happen anytime in the near future?
I'm a T-Mobile US customer and I'm dealing with the slow EDGE speeds but would prefer T-Mobile's 3G and I know I'm not alone here.
I think it's definitely something worth doing since it will drastically increase the market for these phones. Increasing the market will increase the user base and the more users, the better the community could be.
Just my 2 cents.
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Here is that screenshot of the Sony Xperia X1 with the 1700Mhz UMTS Band enabled:
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From what I have been led to believe that a security unlocked Touch Pro is capable of using the Xperia's Radio. If it's capable of using the Xperia's Radio then it should be capable of using the 1700 Band.
This is a project I hope will become a popular topic.
And forgive me for starting a new thread. I know there are many others out there like this but I just figured creating a dedicated thread that was fresh and right at the top was a good idea.
unless I am mistaken and this is the case with other HTC devices it is not the software that controlls which radio frequency it can handle its hardware has to be capable of supporting that frequency which I dont think the Fuze is capable.
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unless I am mistaken and this is the case with other HTC devices it is not the software that controlls which radio frequency it can handle its hardware has to be capable of supporting that frequency which I dont think the Fuze is capable.
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The Fuze, hardware wise, is nearly identical to the Touch Pro. Also I read in one of the older threads that the antenna is capable of supporting the 1700Mhz Band because it is so close to the 1800Mhz Band. It's just an antenna.
What needs to be changed are drivers. Our devices have the same chipset as the T-Mobile HTC G1. Why can't we port that radio to the Raphael?
I always thought u could retune the antenna sort of like a radio to make it work on another frequency but I think it would have to be a hardware modification like opening up the device and using jtag to change it
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The Fuze, hardware wise, is nearly identical to the Touch Pro. Also I read in one of the older threads that the antenna is capable of supporting the 1700Mhz Band because it is so close to the 1800Mhz Band. It's just an antenna.
What needs to be changed are drivers. Our devices have the same chipset as the T-Mobile HTC G1. Why can't we port that radio to the Raphael?
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I think what you said is definitely true. The only different, as I understand, its that Pro blocks the 850/1700/1800 when shipped to different countries. Like the one I am using is the HTC Pro that claims to be quad band with all the necessary freq. on board.
Please let me know if there is anything I could help since I want to use mine with ATT 3g if possible
I am a TE major, so maybe I would still some of my knowledge
Thanks
I think my question is:
In the band tab in phone, I could choose the similar settings as AT&T is using, 850+1900, but why is it not going to the 3G icon?
I am researching on this and hopefully could come back with answer.
huh....maybe I need to security unlock this and flash with AT&T radio?
Hey guys sorry to jump into the mix, but i just wanted to say something. My friend at work has a G1 with the G1 data package and i wanted to show him the skyfire browser because he didnt beleave that it played embeded flash videos. at the time i did not have any data package on my Touch Pro so i askekd to use his sim card. When i used his sim card to browse skyfire and Opera the speeds were crazy fast, it could not have been GPRS or EDGE...it was way to fast. So does this play any part in trying to access the 1700Mhz Band.
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Hey guys sorry to jump into the mix, but i just wanted to say something. My friend at work has a G1 with the G1 data package and i wanted to show him the skyfire browser because he didnt beleave that it played embeded flash videos. at the time i did not have any data package on my Touch Pro so i askekd to use his sim card. When i used his sim card to browse skyfire and Opera the speeds were crazy fast, it could not have been GPRS or EDGE...it was way to fast. So does this play any part in trying to access the 1700Mhz Band.
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By default, you should be able to see what connection you have on the rapheal. is it showing an E/H/3G?
Well that was few weeks ago so i cant really remember which it was accessing...but i know the speeds of Edge and Gprs and that was not it. maybe it was hsdpa or 3g. with edge or gprs playing video in skyfire gives you that lag or constant buffer, whatever i was on that day was fast, very fast..even my friend said it moved faster than his G1 using 3G.
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Well that was few weeks ago so i cant really remember which it was accessing...but i know the speeds of Edge and Gprs and that was not it. maybe it was hsdpa or 3g. with edge or gprs playing video in skyfire gives you that lag or constant buffer, whatever i was on that day was fast, very fast..even my friend said it moved faster than his G1 using 3G.
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Any possibility you may have had your WIFI turned on and that's how that happened? Definitely interesting though. Maybe I need to go and ask for a 3G sim card?
This would be awesome, I am tired of EDGE speeds when there is Tmobile 3G signal in the places I am at. I have a G1 as well but don't use it because they detect IMEI and won't let me use data if I don't specifically have their G1 DATA package. Weird how in the picture it is 3G only and no GSM to fall back on. Too bad my device is not security unlocked.
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Weird how in the picture it is 3G only and no GSM to fall back on. Too bad my device is not security unlocked.
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Yeah there were other photos that displayed the GSM options but I only copied this one.
Yeah I'm not security unlocked yet either but I plan to get unlocked as soon as either Oilpro PMs me back or I get the money to purchase the security unlock...
I just don't understand why he's charging for all of this. Back in the day when I had a Wizard(T-Mobile MDA) this was all free. I guess different time different people different way of working...
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Yeah there were other photos that displayed the GSM options but I only copied this one.
Yeah I'm not security unlocked yet either but I plan to get unlocked as soon as either Oilpro PMs me back or I get the money to purchase the security unlock...
I just don't understand why he's charging for all of this. Back in the day when I had a Wizard(T-Mobile MDA) this was all free. I guess different time different people different way of working...
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yep, I am waiting for his kindness now.
the issue we are facing is not hardware. I think it bares in the radio stack that the hardware receives. As the specs they are, the HTC Pro is identical to ATT Fuze, and it should be able to discover all freqs 850+1800+1900+2100. So there must be something in protocol that prevents us to use the 3g network.
I am gather evidence that this is doable and once Olipro would be kind enough to help my security unlock this, I will start digging in.
Thanks
EDIT: OK, just got pm from Olipro, no luck on free unlock. Guess I need to find some money to pay on this now
UMTS 850MHz
There are people already working on this here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40
I think this would also answer whether or not the 1700MHz would be usable also.
Cheers
Sorry to disappoint, but 1700mhz won't be possible unless HTC releases a UMTS-IV version of the Touch Pro. The UMTS radio is not like the GSM radio (which was unlocked on the Diamond to give it quad-GSM).
This was covered at great length in the X1 forum, but the 1700mhz option you see on the prototype X1 is a software oversight. If you read the BengalBoy thread, you will see that he was unable to connect to Tmobile's 3G network regardless of the setting. That's because the X1 radio simply does not have UMTS-IV (1700/2100mhz) support, and it cannot be "unlocked".
The reason a "UMTS (1700)" option exists in the first place is because Japanese carrier e-Mobile uses UMTS 1700 (band IX, which does not use 2100mhz and is therefore incompatible with Tmo US 3G). Moreover, if it was really meant to support Tmo 3G, the option should read "UMTS (1700/2100) + GSM (850/1900)".
If you search Kaiser forums, you can find a CAB that adds the "UMTS (1700)" option into WM, but it is intended exclusively for e-mobile subscribers and does nothing for anyone else who does not have a UMTS-IX (e-Mobile) phone.
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Any possibility you may have had your WIFI turned on and that's how that happened? Definitely interesting though. Maybe I need to go and ask for a 3G sim card?
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Yes i am very sure i was not using wifi, only my friends G1 Sim card with the $35.00 G1 data package. wifi was not on as i only powered the phone after putting in his Sim card. i will do another comparison tomorrow when i see him at work. but i do think using the better data package does something. if any of you guys have friends with G1's and the G1 data package ask to so a test using your Touch Pro and reports the speeds you browse at or the data rate.
I heard its possible to flash the radio so it match the US and Canada frequencies to get 3G data instead of EDGE
Can someone Help me. I found a link to the Radio roms but no step by step flashing guide.
I have a european Hero Downgraded to version 2.73.405.5 on Baseband version 63.18.55.06EU_6.35.06.18.
How can I make it work on 3G cause right now I can only acces EDGE. With ROGERS Canada
Thanks to all of you guys (& girls) because this is new to me and seriously, some of you are really talented.
seriously dude, that has been asked several times, is not possible and belongs not in this category.
OK man sorry about that was not there for the past years reading all the threads ever created... I did some search and wasnt able to find specific guide about that...
Forget about it and have a nice day.
i recently read that it is possible on some winmo phones to use the radio matching your network on a different phone. comes with the downside that reception goes down to (i would think) unusable level, because the hardware is not meant to work on these frequencies. it is more of a "side effect" that it works at all. i have not read of something like this happening at all for a hero.
So I purchased an almost new V30 and got an ATT unlocked phone for a good deal off of ebay. I've been noticing signal issues vs my previous cheapie Samsung J7 and now can't get wifi calling or mobile hotspot to work. Any insight would be fantastic. I haven't rooted a phone in a while so I'm a little leary on that if I don't have to.
I am not familiar with Metro, but I suspect much like ST that their ToS do not allow tethering. It is also doubtful you have native tether with a carrier branded phone. Rooting is pretty easy if you have a PC, quality USB cable, and patience to read and follow the very well written WTF guide, link below. Switching to either stock US998 or an AOSP rom will get you tethering. Liquid Remix is well-regarded by many.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=76584629&postcount=193
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So I purchased an almost new V30 and got an ATT unlocked phone for a good deal off of ebay. I've been noticing signal issues vs my previous cheapie Samsung J7 and now can't get wifi calling or mobile hotspot to work. Any insight would be fantastic. I haven't rooted a phone in a while so I'm a little leary on that if I don't have to.
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I am not familiar with Metro, but I suspect much like ST that their ToS do not allow tethering. It is also doubtful you have native tether with a carrier branded phone. Rooting is pretty easy if you have a PC, quality USB cable, and patience to read and follow the very well written WTF guide, link below. Switching to either stock US998 or an AOSP rom will get you tethering. Liquid Remix is well-regarded by many.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=76584629&postcount=193
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That is my frustration. I get 5 gigs of mobile hot spot included every month. So It's a loss not to have it. Would rooting improve signal strength. I'm certain it's an LG software issue rather than hardware.
My service is over Verizon's towers so it is hard to give you a firm answer. What I can say is that the open market US998 is rated for service on ATT. US998 firmware will rid you of the carrier dongles and bloat. That said, there are some quirks about signal strength and sms for some cross-flashing cases. Hopefully someone in the know will comment for you. You can also browse the WTF forum.
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That is my frustration. I get 5 gigs of mobile hot spot included every month. So It's a loss not to have it. Would rooting improve signal strength. I'm certain it's an LG software issue rather than hardware.
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So I purchased an almost new V30 and got an ATT unlocked phone for a good deal off of ebay. Any insight would be fantastic. I haven't rooted a phone in a while so I'm a little leary on that if I don't have to.
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You sure H931 is carrier unlocked? If so, then it's probably already been flashed to US998... That's the way most carrier unlock the H931.
Converted to US998 it will work on T-Mobile/Metro just fine.
You don't need to root, if you don't want.
Well the reason I posted the thread was because yes I have been able to activate it, but my signal is far worse on this flagship phone I'll be at a year-and-a-half old then it was on my Cheapo three-year-old Samsung j7. LTE Discovery doesn't even show GSM on this phone for me. And as I said I can't get any wireless hotspot.
Any idea why I'm not showing any gsm signal on lte discovery?
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Well the reason I posted the thread was because yes I have been able to activate it, but my signal is far worse on this flagship phone I'll be at a year-and-a-half old then it was on my Cheapo three-year-old Samsung j7. LTE Discovery doesn't even show GSM on this phone for me. And as I said I can't get any wireless hotspot.
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I would Frankenstein it to US998. You'll get rid of the AT&T bloatware.
Also make sure it's on LTE/HSPA/GSM mode not global mode or something.
It doesn't even show gsm signal. Wish I would have done more research on which variant to buy because it sounds like this att version won't even accept aosp
How do I make sure it is on LTE/HSPA/GSM rather than global?
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How do I make sure it is on LTE/HSPA/GSM rather than global?
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I don't think mine offers that option. I've actually been reading your thread about the secret menu selections. I think my big concern is with this phone being that it's the AT&T variant from what I'm reading I can't install custom roms I can only go rooted and remove bloatware or go with Factory style ROMs. I really do appreciate all your responses. I think we talked about this but with a custom rom would it address the issues that I'm having with signal? I really don't believe that it's a hardware issue I'm pretty much certain it's that LG has crappy modem software
What do the hardware and software info tabs show in Setttings>System-About Phone?
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I don't think mine offers that option. I've actually been reading your thread about the secret menu selections. I think my big concern is with this phone being that it's the AT&T variant from what I'm reading I can't install custom roms I can only go rooted and remove bloatware or go with Factory style ROMs. I really do appreciate all your responses. I think we talked about this but with a custom rom would it address the issues that I'm having with signal? I really don't believe that it's a hardware issue I'm pretty much certain it's that LG has crappy modem software
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Rev 1.0 for hardware version. Lg h931.
Software is 7.1.2 AT&T shows that I'm do an update for Oreo, but obviously the phone is on MetroPCS at this point. I'm a somebody that loves to mess with things The Tweak little things here and there so I want to fix the handset because I think the build and the hardware fantastic I'm just frustrated immensely by the fact again not to repeat myself but for the third time that a cheapo Samsung j7 my old phone and my wife's j7 Prime both get far better signal strength. And I'm also immensely confused by the fact that when I look at LTE Discovery it shows nothing under the GSM window.
I suspected as much. So you have a carrier dongled phone from ATT and are surprised/frustrated it doesn't work? What the j7 does is not relevant
Forgive me for being terse, but you have all the information at hand to decide what to do.
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Rev 1.0 for hardware version. Lg h931.
Software is 7.1.2 AT&T shows that I'm do an update for Oreo, but obviously the phone is on MetroPCS at this point. I'm a somebody that loves to mess with things The Tweak little things here and there so I want to fix the handset because I think the build and the hardware fantastic I'm just frustrated immensely by the fact again not to repeat myself but for the third time that a cheapo Samsung j7 my old phone and my wife's j7 Prime both get far better signal strength. And I'm also immensely confused by the fact that when I look at LTE Discovery it shows nothing under the GSM window.
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I don't think mine offers that option. I've actually been reading your thread about the secret menu selections. I think my big concern is with this phone being that it's the AT&T variant from what I'm reading I can't install custom roms I can only go rooted and remove bloatware or go with Factory style ROMs. I really do appreciate all your responses. I think we talked about this but with a custom rom would it address the issues that I'm having with signal? I really don't believe that it's a hardware issue I'm pretty much certain it's that LG has crappy modem software
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I have excellent signal.
Let's forget about custom ROMs for a minute. Let's try to improve your signal. Installing custom ROMs is another discussion altogether and has nothing to do with improving your signal, getting LTE or anything. There's nothing in custom ROMs that will improve signal strength to my knowledge. It's using the exact same radio firmware as stock.
You are on 1-year old Nougat firmware, not the latest most recent available. I would recommend converting to carrier unlocked "open market" US998 firmware -- which is designed to work with ALL North American carriers, while the H931 is designed to work with AT&T -- and then updating to US998 20G (January 2019 security patch). It's the only way you are ever going to be able to update your firmware -- yes, which has newer modems.
You can do that, see if your signal improves -- then you can decide if you want to unlock bootloader and root. Yeah, to unlock bootloader you would have to then temporarily downgrade back to 20A or 20B, but I really want to keep this discussion focused on signal strength for now.
jsteve01 said:
Rev 1.0 for hardware version. Lg h931.
Software is 7.1.2 AT&T shows that I'm do an update for Oreo, but obviously the phone is on MetroPCS at this point. I'm a somebody that loves to mess with things The Tweak little things here and there so I want to fix the handset because I think the build and the hardware fantastic I'm just frustrated immensely by the fact again not to repeat myself but for the third time that a cheapo Samsung j7 my old phone and my wife's j7 Prime both get far better signal strength. And I'm also immensely confused by the fact that when I look at LTE Discovery it shows nothing under the GSM window.
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I have LTE Discovery and use it all the time. I have never seen this "GSM Window" you keep talking about. Are you saying you saying you on not LTE or HSPA at all?
What does it show under the "Signals" tab? Give us a screenshot. It should show LTE or HSPA and show dBm signal strength. It should also show closest tower distance and GPS coordinates and how many satellites are available. (I have 12 GPS satellites available with less than 3 meters accuracy.)
Also, when you do a speed test, what is your speed?
These are not my screenshots, it's from another thread where someone was having problems. I just wanted to show you the "Signals" tab I'm talking about...
Mine looks exactly like the screenshot that you posted. So you see there's an LTE chart on the left and a GSM chart on the right? That's what I'm referencing. So I guess my question would be how can I update now that I've got an AT&T phone on Metro
https://photos.app.goo.gl/cduvvaRRmfUj1hX6A
Sorry for some reason it wont let me post my link.
That said thanks. To all of you for your help
jsteve01 said:
Mine looks exactly like the screenshot that you posted. So you see there's an LTE chart on the left and a GSM chart on the right? That's what I'm referencing. So I guess my question would be how can I update now that I've got an AT&T phone on Metro
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But GSM isn't going to show anything, unless you're on GSM. What does LTE show?
The only way you're going to update is to Frankenstein convert to carrier unlocked variant like US998 that has public KDZ releases , which you flash with LGUP. H931 doesn't.