This new sub forum is dedicated to CDMA versions of HTC's Touch Pro.
Over the next day or so, myself and other Mods will be rooting through the Raphael ROM Development section and moving CDMA threads here.
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NotATreoFan said:
This new sub forum is dedicated to CDMA versions of HTC's Touch Pro.
Over the next day or so, myself and other Mods will be rooting through the Raphael ROM Development section and moving CDMA threads here.
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thanks bro super thanks !!!
Hmmm... It might be a good thing to explain what a CDMA is.
(Yes, I am a bit unsure myself, though I do understand it has something to do with the frequencies that the cellphone will operate at?)
(Ah, I found it. CDMA != GSM, some extra version of the Raphael primarily meant for the North-American market, does not work in Europe... shame though)
Code Division Multiple Access) A method for transmitting simultaneous digital signals over a shared portion of the spectrum. Although used in various radio communications systems, the most widely known application of CDMA is for cellular systems that operate in the 800 MHz and 1.9 GHz PCS bands. As of 2008, there were more than 450 million CDMA cellphone users in the world, with more than half in Asia. Verizon and Sprint are CDMA carriers in the U.S., while TELUS uses CDMA in Canada. QUALCOMM is the developer of the CDMA air interface used in cellular systems.
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Thank You, Thank You, Thank You for listening to US.
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thanks for the new cdma forum..
Thanks!!! This is excellent!!!
thank you so much its a pain in the ass going though all the other posts to find cdma info
Hi,
How do I know if my phone/network supports CDMA? I am in South Africa and on Vodacom (now Vodafone) network.
Thanks in advance.
canthonyza said:
Hi,
How do I know if my phone/network supports CDMA? I am in South Africa and on Vodacom (now Vodafone) network.
Thanks in advance.
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I believe that's GSM Network. Look here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_WM6.1_ROMs
Ah I see... Ok... thought that maybe if I set the band to WCDMA and I get a signal it would be an indication that my handset/network supports it.
Thanks though!
Could the GMS Raphael specific forums be changed to a GSM prefix as this CDMA sub-forum?
That could start to minise confusion -- particularly those using searches and finding themselves to links posted in a Raphael forum but it's not the Raphael that they own.
...in other model forums it's rather easy to point out to one that they are posting in a forum that does not cover their phone. Not so easy when one reponds -- but I do have a Raphael/Touch Pro.
Sure, the GSM model was out first and is more widely available, but keeping the sole Raphael name for it is only going to invite confusion. Best to be pro-active now before forums become flustered with confusing threads and posts.
WCDMA & CDMA are not the same thing WCDMA is 3rd Generation data over wireless protocol used for GSM
CDMA uses EVDO Rev1 for data
IF you have sim Card, chances are u r on GSM CDMA doesnt use sim card (unless ofcourse you are on iDEN and i dont think there is a TP for nextel
gsm 3g is based on cdma so it is some times called wcdma... and cdma carriers can have sim card like chips called ruim cards i believe u would only find this in india tho.. and iden is iden its not cdma but sprint does offer phones that can do iden and cdma at the same time..
I would prefer a GSM phone over a CDMA phone anyday because of the SIM card
celsius0010 said:
gsm 3g is based on cdma so it is some times called wcdma... and cdma carriers can have sim card like chips called ruim cards i believe u would only find this in india tho.. and iden is iden its not cdma but sprint does offer phones that can do iden and cdma at the same time..
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I would prefer a GSM phone over a CDMA phone because of the sim card.
GSM
I don't have GSM, but I'm just wondering, why is there no GSM section?
MasterOfTheXP said:
I don't have GSM, but I'm just wondering, why is there no GSM section?
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Every place else to do with the Raphael is assumed to be GSM.... Confusion is desired while all CDMA Raphael 800 discussion is ostracised to this section.
Yes, it would far more sense to actually title the Raphael ROM section as Raphael GSM ROM Development and similarly for this CDMA section.... Doesn't appear that it'll happen since the GSM model was released first and the powers that be here have declared it to be the sole deserving model of the unspecified Raphael name.
gramsey1911 said:
I would prefer a GSM phone over a CDMA phone because of the sim card.
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I prefer CDMA because when my phone gets stolen, the bastard cannot not use it anymore because the SN will be reported as stolen and the phone will be locked by my carrier.
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Hi Folks,
This may be a dumb-ass question (sorry if it is), but I'll ask it anyway!
I am buying a Touch Pro from the US. It's locked to Sprint and the vendor says it can only be used "on the CDMA network". So,my dumb-ass question is this:
Does that mean that if I buy Olipro's unlock code (as I doubt I've posted enough to qualify for a freebie), will the phone unlock and work with my UK and Mexican SIM's?
If your Touch Pro is CDMA Model, please use propper unlocker posted on http://forum.ppcgeeks.com for Raphael CDMA. But if it's GSM model you must use Olipro's paid unlocker.
timfoster said:
Hi Folks,
This may be a dumb-ass question (sorry if it is), but I'll ask it anyway!
I am buying a Touch Pro from the US. It's locked to Sprint and the vendor says it can only be used "on the CDMA network". So,my dumb-ass question is this:
Does that mean that if I buy Olipro's unlock code (as I doubt I've posted enough to qualify for a freebie), will the phone unlock and work with my UK and Mexican SIM's?
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NO it will not work with any SIM's. Its CDMA, NOT gsm, so it doesnt even have a sim card holder.. dont buy it
borce_razor said:
If your Touch Pro is CDMA Model, please use propper unlocker posted on http://forum.ppcgeeks.com for Raphael CDMA. But if it's GSM model you must use Olipro's paid unlocker.
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That was damn quick! Thanks borce. You should be in customer services
What's the difference between a CDMA and GSM model? I thought GSM was the old 2G network. Isn't CDMA the same as HSDPA?
Will a CDMA phone work in the UK?
Sorry again for my stupidity.
omaralt said:
NO it will not work with any SIM's. Its CDMA, NOT gsm, so it doesnt even have a sim card holder.. dont buy it
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Ahh. Thanks omaralt. Sim-less like 3 in the UK and lUSAcell in Mexico?
HSDPA is a WCDMA technology, not a CDMA technology, while similar, they are not compatible.
This list appears to be out of date, but it will give you an idea of who supports CDMA:
http://www.mobileisgood.com/serviceProviders.php?technology_id=2
Here is CDMA, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDMA and here is GSM, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM and HSDPA, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hsdpa. CDMA phones don't work in UK because UK have only 2G GSM and 3G UMTS network. Only USA, Japan and 2/3 other countries have CDMA networks.
So the general consensus is don't get one unless I'll be in the US forever?
I have a T-Mobile contract in the UK with 3 new phones (all HTC Diamond's). They don;t have the Pro on their network yet. Everyone else (3rd party vendors) are offering it on T-Mobile, but T-Mobile themselves don't!!!!!
Anyone want to swap a brand new Diamond for a Touch Pro??
Hi,
Recently i have aquired and HTC Hero.
While i was reading posts here at xda, i encountered people talking about GSM and CDMA, where i got really confused.
I've searched google to answer my questions and only i could find was Sprint version and Europian vertion, plus got more confused.
Here is the link of the Hero i have:
http://www.phonehouse.pt/DetalheProduto.aspx?pid=2054
What are the deferences about those two Hero's?
What vertion do i have?
if you put a simcard in it it is GSM, if not it is CDMA. the picture you linked is AFAIK a gms hero, not sure whether you can tell it for sure just by looking at it. GSM and CDMA are different mobile network technologies, to make it short GSM is europe CDMA is usa.
With the hero its quite easy though, the CDMA version looks different to the GSM.
But phones normally look the same.
Pretty sure you have a GSM Hero. That looks to be a European site (selling in Euros) - is it Portugal? All European Heros are GSM. The CDMA ones are for the Sprint network in the USA. The main difference is that they use different mobile phone technology. And the GSM one has a SIM card the CDMA one does not.
Can you remove the Simlock from a CDMA Evo 3d so that it will be able to use any carrier? Telus or rogers etc... I have tried searching the forums and Google (that was a joke all of the results I could find were commercials for paying someone else to do it for you. I want to do it myself. If possible.
I do not believe you can flash your network over to a sim based network like rodgers due to the fact that cdma phones do not have the hardware integrated inside the phone to run gsm networks or sim based. Your best bet is to flash to another network like boost, virgin mobile, page plus or metro pcs. However any type of esn or meid cloning is illegal and is frowned upon when asking for help on xda. Asking for help will get into trouble here so google will have to hold your hand as you search it's massive data bases to find the method of flashing networks.
Jsparta26 said:
I do not believe you can flash your network over to a sim based network like rodgers due to the fact that cdma phones do not have the hardware integrated inside the phone to run gsm networks or sim based. Your best bet is to flash to another network like boost, virgin mobile, page plus or metro pcs. However any type of esn or meid cloning is illegal and is frowned upon when asking for help on xda. Asking for help will get into trouble here so google will have to hold your hand as you search it's massive data bases to find the method of flashing networks.
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AFAIK, MSM8660 (which is inside CDMA 3D) can do both CDMA and GSM unlike MSM8260 (which is inside GSM 3D).... But I believe it's not possible to use GSM service on it, since it does not have a sim slot and a OS to support it. If Rogers have CDMA service too, then it should be possible.
Thanks for that little piece of info sir.
mnomaanw said:
AFAIK, MSM8660 (which is inside CDMA 3D) can do both CDMA and GSM unlike MSM8260 (which is inside GSM 3D).... But I believe it's not possible to use GSM service on it, since it does not have a sim slot and a OS to support it. If Rogers have CDMA service too, then it should be possible.
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Correct, there is no SIM on the CDMA version. I read about someone a while ago that was able to hack the radio and get GSM to show up, but without a SIM card it is useless. If you could solder a SIM reader on and then hack the radio (which are extremely difficult) you may be able to do it, but it would not be worth it.
Get this ---> http://www.skyroam.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=67
Should work with EVO 3D
You will have Sprint + Rogers/Any GSM carrier
I see this phone isn't getting released in the UK/EU first, which is..... different!
I would like to know if there are plans to release this device or a similar HTC device anytime this year in the UK/EU region.
I hope HTC it will be available for sale before the beginning of December
I would rather have had the Droid DNA/J Butterfly instead of the One X+ in the UK.
You would think that with HTC's recent financial results, that they would be looking to release this highly anticipated device in many markets as possible.
Does anyone know if the Droid DNA will work on GSM 3G HSPA networks? Obviously the LTE wont work.
I wonder if any of the Frequencies Vodafone or O2 are going to use are the same as the US ones? I do remember reading it somewhere, and I don't think they are the same.
vinokirk said:
I wonder if any of the Frequencies Vodafone or O2 are going to use are the same as the US ones? I do remember reading it somewhere, and I don't think they are the same.
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The problem is not the LTE, it is the basic network of the phone. The Verizon network is not compatible with any European network - they use a completely different system as the base which is not GSM compatible. Same reason the Nexus 4 "world" phone works pretty much everywhere except on their network.
Until HTC make a model with different radio chips (GSM standard) this phone will only be for Verizon and a couple of Japanese networks.
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The problem is not the LTE, it is the basic network of the phone. The Verizon network is not compatible with any European network - they use a completely different system as the base which is not GSM compatible. Same reason the Nexus 4 "world" phone works pretty much everywhere except on their network.
Until HTC make a model with different radio chips (GSM standard) this phone will only be for Verizon and a couple of Japanese networks.
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From Verizon's DNA specs list:
CDMA1x/EV-DO Rev A, LTE/DO Rx diversity
Global Network: GSM (850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz), UMTS (850MHz, 900MHz, 1900MHz, 2100MHz)
Since it has GSM, will it be possible to use in Europe or Australia?
Hallaisen said:
From Verizon's DNA specs list:
CDMA1x/EV-DO Rev A, LTE/DO Rx diversity
Global Network: GSM (850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz), UMTS (850MHz, 900MHz, 1900MHz, 2100MHz)
Since it has GSM, will it be possible to use in Europe or Australia?
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Yes.. It's just a matter of whether or not it is unlocked out of the box like the Rezound was (Limited at first before update). Or sim locked like previous droids.
nexus161 said:
The problem is not the LTE, it is the basic network of the phone. The Verizon network is not compatible with any European network - they use a completely different system as the base which is not GSM compatible. Same reason the Nexus 4 "world" phone works pretty much everywhere except on their network.
Until HTC make a model with different radio chips (GSM standard) this phone will only be for Verizon and a couple of Japanese networks.
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WRONG
Hallaisen said:
From Verizon's DNA specs list:
CDMA1x/EV-DO Rev A, LTE/DO Rx diversity
Global Network: GSM (850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz), UMTS (850MHz, 900MHz, 1900MHz, 2100MHz)
Since it has GSM, will it be possible to use in Europe or Australia?
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Thank you for posting this... I hate when people (read: nexus161) give outdated facts based on the way the tech ran several years ago... vzw has released several devices with a quad band antenna in the past several years. The gsm bands listed are frequencies that all gsm providers currently use at least one of so the answer to the original question is yes, in theory. I'm assuming the international bands are unlocked so there should be no issue using it with a gsm provider, however I'm not sure how vzw has played this in the past so I can't speak to how this will work in practice. My guess though? Similar to the rezound. Locked for first 6-8 months, then an unlock will roll out in an update later.
That's great, so it will work over here. I'm not bothered about 4G yet as its only in a few cities.
I'm new to this whole Verizon CDMA unlocked thing. Can I use a US T-mobile SIM card and pop it into the SIM slot and it will work? What size SIM does it use? Micro?
Do you think it will be possible to buy a Us handset and unlock it?
Will it be 4G enabled?
I just spoke with three different verizon customer service representatives and they all said the phone is locked to Verizon. Two of them said Verizon never unlocks their phones and the last one said devices can be unlocked if you have 90 days of good payment history. Is there a different way to unlock android devices other than having carriers do it for you?
Hallaisen said:
I just spoke with three different verizon customer service representatives and they all said the phone is locked to Verizon. Two of them said Verizon never unlocks their phones and the last one said devices can be unlocked if you have 90 days of good payment history. Is there a different way to unlock android devices other than having carriers do it for you?
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Sometimes... I think you need to have S-Off though... I could be wrong though.
Just because it has GSM support in the radio, doesn't necessarily mean it has a SIM slot! If I'm not mistaken, the Photon Q or whatever the Moto slider for Sprint is has a pentaband radio but no SIM slot...
Anyone got details on that?
That phone have sim slot
That phone have SIM slot, please watch any "hands on" review and you will see that.
aard said:
Just because it has GSM support in the radio, doesn't necessarily mean it has a SIM slot! If I'm not mistaken, the Photon Q or whatever the Moto slider for Sprint is has a pentaband radio but no SIM slot...
Anyone got details on that?
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It has a SIM card slot due to LTE connectivity.
HTC DROID DNA Verizon is SIM Unlocked
Phil from androidcentral was the one who give us that good news:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/verizon-droid-dna/225051-droid-dna-sim-unlocked-means-works-t.html
there is settings, too
beberobu said:
Phil from androidcentral was the one who give us that good news:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/verizon-droid-dna/225051-droid-dna-sim-unlocked-means-works-t.html
there is settings, too
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Great news. Hopefully I will be able to order the device soon from a US eBay seller. That is unless HTC actually announce a UK/EU release before then. But that seems extremely unlikely.
vinokirk said:
I see this phone isn't getting released in the UK/EU first, which is..... different!
I would like to know if there are plans to release this device or a similar HTC device anytime this year in the UK/EU region.
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Hopefully HTC will release it as the Deluxe, internationally, not just US/JP
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/15/htc-deluxe-press-render-reportedly-leaks-spreads-droid-dna/
Sorry for asking stupid question....
I did some research, but I still can't figure out why DNA can't uses other CDMA network.
Is it the problem if radio???
According what I see, DNA is able to unlock bootloader, s-off, root.
What stuff should I waiting for? Radio?
Your answer will help me know what kind of threads I should pay attention to. Thanks a LOT in advanced!
BTW, I am planning use DNA in Taiwan with a CDMA network provider.
I had checked the hardware is fitted to my network (CDMA2000 800Mhz). Thanks for all concerned!
siekaiser said:
Sorry for asking stupid question....
I did some research, but I still can't figure out why DNA can't uses other CDMA network.
Is it the problem if radio???
According what I see, DNA is able to unlock bootloader, s-off, root.
What stuff should I waiting for? Radio?
Your answer will help me know what kind of threads I should pay attention to. Thanks a LOT in advanced!
BTW, I am planning use DNA in Taiwan with a CDMA network provider.
I had checked the hardware is fitted to my network (CDMA2000 800Mhz). Thanks for all concerned!
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Hi,
First of all, you must understand that GSM & CDMA are dissimilar technologies, whereas with GSM you can easily swap between carriers so long as they have the same/supported radio frequencies and your phone is sim-unlocked, this is not possible with CDMA. CDMA devices do not use a sim card to retain your account information or activation abilities. When it comes to CDMA (from my understanding) the ESN is key, the ESN must be added to your networks (for lack of a better term at the moment) ESN database. In the United States, most CDMA carriers will not add ESN's of other carriers phones to their network, your results may be different, because of your location. If your carrier were to allow or be willing to add the ESN of the DNA you obtain to their database than there is a possibility that it may work. (I am unsure if that can just be done or if it would have to be removed from Verizon's network & so forth, because I've never personally had to do such a thing)
There is a second problem though, the LTE radio / sim card interface. Because of the way these phones work on Verizon with LTE, I am unsure if you could even activate it, because it looks like the LTE sim is needed to authenticate your account to the carrier like a regular GSM phone. I have no idea how you would activate this phone without LTE / GSM on your carrier, even with the CDMA ESN added. It seems like it would be a double edged sword, but I could be wrong in this respect.
Also at this current time, this phone has root, and an unlocked bootloader through HTCDev, but is still **S-ON**.
Though none of those things have to do with you being able to use this phone on your carrier.
If your carrier was GSM I would say go for it because this is a GSM Global phone as well, but because its CDMA that you need I really incredibly doubt you'll be able to use this phone, but I may be wrong, but until someone else states otherwise I would look for a different phone.
Hope this Helps!
I am also interested in it. How can we check it out? I should go to my CDMA carrier and ask to activate my ESN?
Where can i find ESN? In Settings-About there is only MEID, IMEI, Phone serial number and IMSIAdded
I work for a CDMA carrier in the USA and with lte on the phones now, they truly act as gsm phones. If your CDMA carrier has lte then they can give you a sim and it will activate your DNA. However, if they only operate on 2g/3g then the post above me is correct with the ESN database and will USUALLY not activate the phone (in store sales reps usually don't even have the ability). Even if they have lte, activating another carrier's phone is not in the best interest of the sales Rep and they usually won't.
YMMV
Sent with my DNA
kyleco said:
I work for a CDMA carrier in the USA and with lte on the phones now, they truly act as gsm phones. If your CDMA carrier has lte then they can give you a sim and it will activate your DNA. However, if they only operate on 2g/3g then the post above me is correct with the ESN database and will USUALLY not activate the phone (in store sales reps usually don't even have the ability). Even if they have lte, activating another carrier's phone is not in the best interest of the sales Rep and they usually won't.
YMMV
Sent with my DNA
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I should mentions that we don't have LTE in Taiwan so far.
My carrier provides CDMA2000 1xEV-DO rev.B (I guess it is)
Is it operate as LTE OR 2G/3G you mentioned?
siekaiser said:
I should mentions that we don't have LTE in Taiwan so far.
My carrier provides CDMA2000 1xEV-DO rev.B (I guess it is)
Is it operate as LTE OR 2G/3G you mentioned?
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From my experience, they will not be able to activate it if they do not have lte, as they would need to have a settings file made for that phone to get it to work on their network. Nevers hurts to call and ask though.
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Hi,i am from Austria,i have a Droid Dna by Verizon and the Phone works fine here in Austria, 2G and 3G/HSDPA