Hi Folks,
This may be a dumb-ass question (sorry if it is), but I'll ask it anyway!
I am buying a Touch Pro from the US. It's locked to Sprint and the vendor says it can only be used "on the CDMA network". So,my dumb-ass question is this:
Does that mean that if I buy Olipro's unlock code (as I doubt I've posted enough to qualify for a freebie), will the phone unlock and work with my UK and Mexican SIM's?
If your Touch Pro is CDMA Model, please use propper unlocker posted on http://forum.ppcgeeks.com for Raphael CDMA. But if it's GSM model you must use Olipro's paid unlocker.
timfoster said:
Hi Folks,
This may be a dumb-ass question (sorry if it is), but I'll ask it anyway!
I am buying a Touch Pro from the US. It's locked to Sprint and the vendor says it can only be used "on the CDMA network". So,my dumb-ass question is this:
Does that mean that if I buy Olipro's unlock code (as I doubt I've posted enough to qualify for a freebie), will the phone unlock and work with my UK and Mexican SIM's?
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NO it will not work with any SIM's. Its CDMA, NOT gsm, so it doesnt even have a sim card holder.. dont buy it
borce_razor said:
If your Touch Pro is CDMA Model, please use propper unlocker posted on http://forum.ppcgeeks.com for Raphael CDMA. But if it's GSM model you must use Olipro's paid unlocker.
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That was damn quick! Thanks borce. You should be in customer services
What's the difference between a CDMA and GSM model? I thought GSM was the old 2G network. Isn't CDMA the same as HSDPA?
Will a CDMA phone work in the UK?
Sorry again for my stupidity.
omaralt said:
NO it will not work with any SIM's. Its CDMA, NOT gsm, so it doesnt even have a sim card holder.. dont buy it
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Ahh. Thanks omaralt. Sim-less like 3 in the UK and lUSAcell in Mexico?
HSDPA is a WCDMA technology, not a CDMA technology, while similar, they are not compatible.
This list appears to be out of date, but it will give you an idea of who supports CDMA:
http://www.mobileisgood.com/serviceProviders.php?technology_id=2
Here is CDMA, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDMA and here is GSM, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM and HSDPA, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hsdpa. CDMA phones don't work in UK because UK have only 2G GSM and 3G UMTS network. Only USA, Japan and 2/3 other countries have CDMA networks.
So the general consensus is don't get one unless I'll be in the US forever?
I have a T-Mobile contract in the UK with 3 new phones (all HTC Diamond's). They don;t have the Pro on their network yet. Everyone else (3rd party vendors) are offering it on T-Mobile, but T-Mobile themselves don't!!!!!
Anyone want to swap a brand new Diamond for a Touch Pro??
Related
This new sub forum is dedicated to CDMA versions of HTC's Touch Pro.
Over the next day or so, myself and other Mods will be rooting through the Raphael ROM Development section and moving CDMA threads here.
Thanks
Thank You .......
wow awesome
NotATreoFan said:
This new sub forum is dedicated to CDMA versions of HTC's Touch Pro.
Over the next day or so, myself and other Mods will be rooting through the Raphael ROM Development section and moving CDMA threads here.
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thanks bro super thanks !!!
Hmmm... It might be a good thing to explain what a CDMA is.
(Yes, I am a bit unsure myself, though I do understand it has something to do with the frequencies that the cellphone will operate at?)
(Ah, I found it. CDMA != GSM, some extra version of the Raphael primarily meant for the North-American market, does not work in Europe... shame though)
Code Division Multiple Access) A method for transmitting simultaneous digital signals over a shared portion of the spectrum. Although used in various radio communications systems, the most widely known application of CDMA is for cellular systems that operate in the 800 MHz and 1.9 GHz PCS bands. As of 2008, there were more than 450 million CDMA cellphone users in the world, with more than half in Asia. Verizon and Sprint are CDMA carriers in the U.S., while TELUS uses CDMA in Canada. QUALCOMM is the developer of the CDMA air interface used in cellular systems.
Thanks A Million
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You for listening to US.
YaY
thanks for the new cdma forum..
Thanks!!! This is excellent!!!
thank you so much its a pain in the ass going though all the other posts to find cdma info
Hi,
How do I know if my phone/network supports CDMA? I am in South Africa and on Vodacom (now Vodafone) network.
Thanks in advance.
canthonyza said:
Hi,
How do I know if my phone/network supports CDMA? I am in South Africa and on Vodacom (now Vodafone) network.
Thanks in advance.
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I believe that's GSM Network. Look here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_WM6.1_ROMs
Ah I see... Ok... thought that maybe if I set the band to WCDMA and I get a signal it would be an indication that my handset/network supports it.
Thanks though!
Could the GMS Raphael specific forums be changed to a GSM prefix as this CDMA sub-forum?
That could start to minise confusion -- particularly those using searches and finding themselves to links posted in a Raphael forum but it's not the Raphael that they own.
...in other model forums it's rather easy to point out to one that they are posting in a forum that does not cover their phone. Not so easy when one reponds -- but I do have a Raphael/Touch Pro.
Sure, the GSM model was out first and is more widely available, but keeping the sole Raphael name for it is only going to invite confusion. Best to be pro-active now before forums become flustered with confusing threads and posts.
WCDMA & CDMA are not the same thing WCDMA is 3rd Generation data over wireless protocol used for GSM
CDMA uses EVDO Rev1 for data
IF you have sim Card, chances are u r on GSM CDMA doesnt use sim card (unless ofcourse you are on iDEN and i dont think there is a TP for nextel
gsm 3g is based on cdma so it is some times called wcdma... and cdma carriers can have sim card like chips called ruim cards i believe u would only find this in india tho.. and iden is iden its not cdma but sprint does offer phones that can do iden and cdma at the same time..
I would prefer a GSM phone over a CDMA phone anyday because of the SIM card
celsius0010 said:
gsm 3g is based on cdma so it is some times called wcdma... and cdma carriers can have sim card like chips called ruim cards i believe u would only find this in india tho.. and iden is iden its not cdma but sprint does offer phones that can do iden and cdma at the same time..
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I would prefer a GSM phone over a CDMA phone because of the sim card.
GSM
I don't have GSM, but I'm just wondering, why is there no GSM section?
MasterOfTheXP said:
I don't have GSM, but I'm just wondering, why is there no GSM section?
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Every place else to do with the Raphael is assumed to be GSM.... Confusion is desired while all CDMA Raphael 800 discussion is ostracised to this section.
Yes, it would far more sense to actually title the Raphael ROM section as Raphael GSM ROM Development and similarly for this CDMA section.... Doesn't appear that it'll happen since the GSM model was released first and the powers that be here have declared it to be the sole deserving model of the unspecified Raphael name.
gramsey1911 said:
I would prefer a GSM phone over a CDMA phone because of the sim card.
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I prefer CDMA because when my phone gets stolen, the bastard cannot not use it anymore because the SN will be reported as stolen and the phone will be locked by my carrier.
Hi folks!
I have a big problem, I bought 2 weeks ago HTC Touch Pro Sprint from USA. I got it today, and now I see, that it hasn't a SIM slot.
Is it any possibilyti to use it in Hungary with a Sim card? Or is the only way to sell it in the USA? It is new, no used, with all kabels and equipment.
Please, help! Many thanks in advance.
Sorry for my poor english, a speek off course hungarian and german.
the sprint touch pro you purchased is CDMA, if your cellular provider uses SIM cards then u most likely need a GSM phone (at&t fuze).
who is the cell provider in hungary?
if you cell your phone then u can also sell it to verizon customers as they use CDMA band too and the sprint touch pro is far superior than the verizon touch pro
Yes, we have GSM here in Hungary, with 3 providers, t.e. Vodafone, and T-mobile. There is no way to flush or hack it to a GSM phone?
Sorry mate, you have to get a different mobile. CDMA & GSM phones are made of different hardware.
Yes, I know. My only hope was, maybe it is possible to change the CDMA module against a GSM module in the phone.
nope, there is no way to flash a cdma to gsm unless you want a $500 brick.
it would be like trying to flash a Panasonic Home Cordless phone into a Cellular phone, impossible
hi there im doing my rounds In LA soon and would love to buy a hero out there my main concern is, when i return to the UK will it work with one of my UK networks... any one have any insight into this.....
If it is unlocked , answer is tes.
My hero was on Orange UK ,and using with 3 network and will most certainly work with networks in US.
The answer is no!
The Sprint Hero is a CDMA device. It doesn't have a SIM card slot, because CDMA devices don't use SIM cards, so you can't give it another "identity" by inserting a different SIM like you can a GSM phone.
I believe that there are some phones that support both CDMA and GSM, and these can operate on both types of network because they have a radio that supports both and a SIM card slot.
Note that some CDMA networks have implemented what they call a UIM, which does the same job as a SIM card, but isn't compatible.
Regards.
Dave
Lord Lucan said:
My hero was on Orange UK ,and using with 3 network and will most certainly work with networks in US.
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In the US, it will work on T-Mobile and AT&T (GSM networks) but not Sprint and Verizon (CDMA networks). Note that you will also not get 3G from the GSM networks, because the Euro Hero doesn't support the 3G bands needed by either AT&T and T-Mobile, so EDGE is the best you will see.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
In the US, it will work on T-Mobile and AT&T (GSM networks) but not Sprint and Verizon (CDMA networks). Note that you will also not get 3G from the GSM networks, because the Euro Hero doesn't support the 3G bands needed by either AT&T and T-Mobile, so EDGE is the best you will see.
Regards,
Dave
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this doesent answer my question it does the opposite.....
im trying to find out.. if a US hero that i buy in the US will work on any uk network....??
My previous post answered your question! The second post was commenting on what Lord Lucan had said.
Regards,
Dave
so dave in the us cant i just buy a sim free non network hero... ?
The "worldwide" GSM Hero does not support any of the 3G bands employed by networks in the US. So, if you were to buy a GSM Hero, it would work on either T-Mobile US or AT&T, but the best you would get, data wise, is EDGE whilst you are in the US. When you come back to the UK, you would be able to get 3G.
The US Hero, otherwise known as the Sprint Hero, is a CDMA device. This will not work at all on any UK networks.
Regards,
Dave
cool thanks for reply's dave.. looks like im gonna get one. ok so does anyone know where i could pick one up while im there.. im staying in west hollywood.
Why do you want to physically buy one in the US?
You can buy one from Expansys in the US for $540, or in the UK for £370 (with £30 worth of vouchers).
Assuming you could find a local retailer which stocks them in West Hollywood with prices similar to Expansys, you'd have to pay sales tax on it @ 9.75% would bring the cost pretty close to £370.
Regards,
Dave
becasue i have loads of usd to burn and not loads of GBP are you glad you now know my business......anyway back to where a retailer might be
i dont thing it would have uk 3g
would it?
Sorry probably none of my business but what use would the Sprint hero serve you in the UK since it is not possible to connect to any UK network or did I misunderstand. Wouldn't you be better off with the UK hero, at least that one could be rooted. Personally I would rather have that one, but the grass is always greener right.
erasmogjr said:
Sorry probably none of my business but what use would the Sprint hero serve you in the UK since it is not possible to connect to any UK network or did I misunderstand. Wouldn't you be better off with the UK hero, at least that one could be rooted. Personally I would rather have that one, but the grass is always greener right.
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no wrong your whole post is a wrong... i have a USD budget for every year.. so i dont care what price it is i just wanted to get one while im out there.. and as currently posted before like 3 times.. i don't want a sprint one.....so where might i be able to pick a non sprint hero up while in LA.. ?????????
mceiht said:
no wrong your whole post is a wrong... i have a USD budget for every year.. so i dont care what price it is i just wanted to get one while im out there.. and as currently posted before like 3 times.. i don't want a sprint one.....so where might i be able to pick a non sprint hero up while in LA.. ?????????
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umm...there is no non-sprint hero in the US. The cdma hero aka the US hero aka the SPRINT hero is ONLY available on sprint and from sprint. This phone does not use a sim card or any thing like it, when you turn one on for the first time it automatically connects to the sprint network and is linked to the number of the sprint subscriber that purchases by the phones unique ESN number, which cannot be changed legally. If you want a chinless hero, the one that is available on sprint and does not look at all like the UK hero, it will only and can only connect to CDMA networks and as far as I know only sprint. So no my post was not A wrong, I admitted to being kinda lost I just asked what use would a phone that you can not use as a phone serve you, a also asked if I had misunderstood, which I am sure now that I did not, you seem to be the lost one. When you get your US hero and try to unlock it for a gsm network, where are you going to stick the SIM card, please send me a video of you trying to put it into the phone, that will be fun to watch.
I am always confused between CDMA and GSM...
Why a 4 band phone ,Evo 3d will not work in Europe?
BTW I am searching to buy one at Ebay. the search shows only Spirit branded phones. do they work in Europe (GSM)?
What is ESN clean or Bad ESN? Whats is the meaning of "unlocked" and if i buy a locked one can i unlock it by my self?
Thank You
adempozhari said:
I am always confused between CDMA and GSM...
Why a 4 band phone ,Evo 3d will not work in Europe?
BTW I am searching to buy one at Ebay. the search shows only Spirit branded phones. do they work in Europe (GSM)?
What is ESN clean or Bad ESN? Whats is the meaning of "unlocked" and if i buy a locked one can i unlock it by my self?
Thank You
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I'm far from the expert so I'll give your questions my best shot and maybe somebody else with more experience on GSM can fill in some of the gaps.
bad/clean ESN only applies to CDMA. CDMA does not use a SIM card. once a CDMA phone has had its ESN marked as bad, it will not operate on that carrier. example, sprint (only CDMA network) evo 3d, the owner doesnt pay his bills, they mark the ESN as Bad for that device. if he sells the evo 3d, it can't be activated on sprint's cdma network. if you want to activate it on another CDMA network, like metropcs, it is doable, but sometimes considered a legally *gray* area.
"unlocked" in regards to the carrier of the device only applies to GSM type devices. on GSM type devices, once they has been "unlocked" they will operate on any GSM carrier.
i'm not about the band count, i.e. 4 band GSM. i would suggest looking at which frequencies are used in those bands and matching them up by frequencies and GSM/CDMA. as your profile is marked albania, i think most of europe uses GSM so CDMA will probably not be useful for you.
hope that helps some of the questions!
thank you... you were very clear.
still searching for the last question. If i buy a locked GSM phone, can i unlock it here by myself or i have to buy unlock code?
Well, doesn't all phones come unlocked in Europe anyway? Locking applies to GSM phones, and I've always thought only north American carriers do that. For example, if you, living in Europe, wanted the infuse 4G which is locked to ATT in America, you would need to unlock it to use it. Moreover, you must make sure the phone's frequencies match your carrier's. If I'm not mistaken, I think unlocking an Android phone is similar to rooting it. It's a different process all together, but its something you would do on your own.
Before Android tho, you simply need to call your carrier, tell them you're traveling overseas and you wanna use your phone there, and they'll give you the unlock code. Use some special commands to bring up the carrier unlock screen, input the unlock code, and bam, you're good to go.
I don't know if you still need an unlock code with Android phones, but if you want it, you would get it from the carrier of the phone.
You won't see any unlocking tutorials for the EVO 3d in the forums for the obvious reason that its cdma phone in America. But I'm sure once its released on Tmo-us, then there'll be a method.
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I see this phone isn't getting released in the UK/EU first, which is..... different!
I would like to know if there are plans to release this device or a similar HTC device anytime this year in the UK/EU region.
I hope HTC it will be available for sale before the beginning of December
I would rather have had the Droid DNA/J Butterfly instead of the One X+ in the UK.
You would think that with HTC's recent financial results, that they would be looking to release this highly anticipated device in many markets as possible.
Does anyone know if the Droid DNA will work on GSM 3G HSPA networks? Obviously the LTE wont work.
I wonder if any of the Frequencies Vodafone or O2 are going to use are the same as the US ones? I do remember reading it somewhere, and I don't think they are the same.
vinokirk said:
I wonder if any of the Frequencies Vodafone or O2 are going to use are the same as the US ones? I do remember reading it somewhere, and I don't think they are the same.
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The problem is not the LTE, it is the basic network of the phone. The Verizon network is not compatible with any European network - they use a completely different system as the base which is not GSM compatible. Same reason the Nexus 4 "world" phone works pretty much everywhere except on their network.
Until HTC make a model with different radio chips (GSM standard) this phone will only be for Verizon and a couple of Japanese networks.
nexus161 said:
The problem is not the LTE, it is the basic network of the phone. The Verizon network is not compatible with any European network - they use a completely different system as the base which is not GSM compatible. Same reason the Nexus 4 "world" phone works pretty much everywhere except on their network.
Until HTC make a model with different radio chips (GSM standard) this phone will only be for Verizon and a couple of Japanese networks.
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From Verizon's DNA specs list:
CDMA1x/EV-DO Rev A, LTE/DO Rx diversity
Global Network: GSM (850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz), UMTS (850MHz, 900MHz, 1900MHz, 2100MHz)
Since it has GSM, will it be possible to use in Europe or Australia?
Hallaisen said:
From Verizon's DNA specs list:
CDMA1x/EV-DO Rev A, LTE/DO Rx diversity
Global Network: GSM (850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz), UMTS (850MHz, 900MHz, 1900MHz, 2100MHz)
Since it has GSM, will it be possible to use in Europe or Australia?
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Yes.. It's just a matter of whether or not it is unlocked out of the box like the Rezound was (Limited at first before update). Or sim locked like previous droids.
nexus161 said:
The problem is not the LTE, it is the basic network of the phone. The Verizon network is not compatible with any European network - they use a completely different system as the base which is not GSM compatible. Same reason the Nexus 4 "world" phone works pretty much everywhere except on their network.
Until HTC make a model with different radio chips (GSM standard) this phone will only be for Verizon and a couple of Japanese networks.
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WRONG
Hallaisen said:
From Verizon's DNA specs list:
CDMA1x/EV-DO Rev A, LTE/DO Rx diversity
Global Network: GSM (850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz), UMTS (850MHz, 900MHz, 1900MHz, 2100MHz)
Since it has GSM, will it be possible to use in Europe or Australia?
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Thank you for posting this... I hate when people (read: nexus161) give outdated facts based on the way the tech ran several years ago... vzw has released several devices with a quad band antenna in the past several years. The gsm bands listed are frequencies that all gsm providers currently use at least one of so the answer to the original question is yes, in theory. I'm assuming the international bands are unlocked so there should be no issue using it with a gsm provider, however I'm not sure how vzw has played this in the past so I can't speak to how this will work in practice. My guess though? Similar to the rezound. Locked for first 6-8 months, then an unlock will roll out in an update later.
That's great, so it will work over here. I'm not bothered about 4G yet as its only in a few cities.
I'm new to this whole Verizon CDMA unlocked thing. Can I use a US T-mobile SIM card and pop it into the SIM slot and it will work? What size SIM does it use? Micro?
Do you think it will be possible to buy a Us handset and unlock it?
Will it be 4G enabled?
I just spoke with three different verizon customer service representatives and they all said the phone is locked to Verizon. Two of them said Verizon never unlocks their phones and the last one said devices can be unlocked if you have 90 days of good payment history. Is there a different way to unlock android devices other than having carriers do it for you?
Hallaisen said:
I just spoke with three different verizon customer service representatives and they all said the phone is locked to Verizon. Two of them said Verizon never unlocks their phones and the last one said devices can be unlocked if you have 90 days of good payment history. Is there a different way to unlock android devices other than having carriers do it for you?
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Sometimes... I think you need to have S-Off though... I could be wrong though.
Just because it has GSM support in the radio, doesn't necessarily mean it has a SIM slot! If I'm not mistaken, the Photon Q or whatever the Moto slider for Sprint is has a pentaband radio but no SIM slot...
Anyone got details on that?
That phone have sim slot
That phone have SIM slot, please watch any "hands on" review and you will see that.
aard said:
Just because it has GSM support in the radio, doesn't necessarily mean it has a SIM slot! If I'm not mistaken, the Photon Q or whatever the Moto slider for Sprint is has a pentaband radio but no SIM slot...
Anyone got details on that?
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It has a SIM card slot due to LTE connectivity.
HTC DROID DNA Verizon is SIM Unlocked
Phil from androidcentral was the one who give us that good news:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/verizon-droid-dna/225051-droid-dna-sim-unlocked-means-works-t.html
there is settings, too
beberobu said:
Phil from androidcentral was the one who give us that good news:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/verizon-droid-dna/225051-droid-dna-sim-unlocked-means-works-t.html
there is settings, too
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Great news. Hopefully I will be able to order the device soon from a US eBay seller. That is unless HTC actually announce a UK/EU release before then. But that seems extremely unlikely.
vinokirk said:
I see this phone isn't getting released in the UK/EU first, which is..... different!
I would like to know if there are plans to release this device or a similar HTC device anytime this year in the UK/EU region.
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Hopefully HTC will release it as the Deluxe, internationally, not just US/JP
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/15/htc-deluxe-press-render-reportedly-leaks-spreads-droid-dna/