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Since Windows NT supports RISC CPU's, and the PPC CPU's are based on RISC, I was wondering if it is possible to somehow install Windows NT on an Pocket Pc.
What do you guy's think ?
Not snowball's chance in hell. NT was only ever built for x86, SPARC, MIPS and ALPHA (I think there may have been a couple of others) - never for any ARM cores. Same goes for Win 9x/ME/2k/XP/Vista/Whatever.
-- The only alternative OSes you are ever likely to see are *nix/BSD derivatives. --
yes, but what i meant is that nt supports risc cpu architecture. so thats why my question came up
fek NT - get ubuntu
so could i install ubuntu?
they got a new ubuntu-mobile edition comming up
would that work?
soothomas said:
yes, but what i meant is that nt supports risc cpu architecture. so thats why my question came up
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RISC Architecture is not a "standard" like x86, it's more a theory of processor archiecture design. Windows NT supported some RISC architecture processor families as it supported some CISC processors. One might argue that since it supported CISC, it should run on Motorola 680x0 or Natsemi 32016. Clearly it doesn't
You specificially said NT so this probably doesnt help, but there are tutorials and guides out there to help you get Win95/98 emulated and away on your PPC. Runs sub-par though, but if I recall this was done back in 2005, PPCs and emulating software might have come a long way since then..
Seems good
Take a look
http://www.pocketgamer.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3660
With Dosbox emulator
Is there anyway to use Dosbox as Bootloader of pda's
I know touchscreen emulation is a problem
I think this is not a unbreakable block for developers ( C++ masters )
Actually XScale is a 32 bit X86 processor too.
I'm not professional about that but
I guess windows 98 ( or windows Xp without servicepack 1&2 ) can work on our
pda's.
I know these problems ( Services, drivers, memory adresing etc.. )
any one have an idea or can we make a discussion
oorrrr
any professional programmer can say a few ideas.
Whatever
At the end.
It's funny right?
Regards.
"Actually XScale is a 32 bit X86 processor too."
no it's arm based which is a pretty different architecture based on RISC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture
where x86 are CISC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86
so it's an emulation
worst of all is that it's an emulation of a cpu architecture which is more
powerfull
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362344
Yeah But I've miss wrote.
Rudegar said:
"Actually XScale is a 32 bit X86 processor too."
no it's arm based which is a pretty different architecture based on RISC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture
where x86 are CISC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86
so it's an emulation
worst of all is that it's an emulation of a cpu architecture which is more
powerfull
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362344
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Hi ! I have an interesting question here, perhaps you may noticed on the Title "Is it Possible to run Windows XP or Windows 7 (PC) on HD2 ?"... well.. after I tested Windows 95 with the QEMU soft.. I was really impressed by how it works.. & I'm sure it can have ALOT of more possibilities than just a simple Smartphone OS, by having at least Windows XP on the HD2 ... so what do you say ? Is it possible or not ? and btw.. I tried to start Windows XP SP2 (597MB) on the HD2, by copying the .img File on the SD.. then I noticed that in the qemu_launcher, it doesn't see the XP SP2 image File.. so I noticed that the Win95 had 2 notepads .txt files "emul_cmdline" & the "EMUL_INI" .. and I opened them in my Win7 PC, and changed in the "emul_cmdline.txt" the name of the Image File, like this.. from ...
1G-qcow.img to the name of my XP SP2 Image File like "XP Sp2.img" ... & changed the "[emul]
name=" from the "EMUL_INI" to the name of the Windows or so... then I copied those 2 .txt files "emul_cmdline.txt" & "EMUL_INI.txt" to the folder on my HD2's SD Card in which contained the XP SP2.img... then I noticed that in the qemu_launcher it show'd me the XP SP2.img... and when I tried to launch it.. I just pressed the "Launch" button.. & the qemu launcher closes & nothing happens... xD.. any help ? or at least explain me if is it possible to run XP or even 7 (PC OS) on the HD2 ? .. but I think that at least Win XP can be runed FOR SURE on the HD2, because the Win XP's System Requirements are these:
PC with 300 megahertz or higher processor clock speed recommended; 233 MHz minimum required (single or dual processor system);* Intel Pentium/Celeron family, or AMD K6/Athlon/Duron family, or compatible processor recommended
• 128 megabytes (MB) of RAM or higher recommended (64 MB minimum supported; may limit performance and some features)
• 1.5 gigabytes (GB) of available hard disk space*
• Super VGA (800 x 600) or higher-resolution video adapter and monitor
But the HD2's capabilities are MUCH MORE higher than these requirements... the only problem is again the Internal Memory or the SD Card... because on the Internal Memory it can't just fit in... but if you boot from the SD Card.. you may experience laggs or even freezes... xD .. I don't know really... I'm just guessing now...
Please do not post any comments like: "What's the point ?" or "Why do you need to do all this ?" ... I'm just interested in having Win XP or even 7 on my HD2... and I'm sure there are more people on XDA which probably want the same thing as I do...
i've always wanted this too jus hope i dont get bashed for supportin u
It may be possible to get it to boot, but I doubt you would be able to get it usable. Also, I think the fact that XP runs on ntfs instead of fat like 98 does, that may make it impossible. And when using emulators, you have to generally have a processor 10 times the speed of what's required for it to work properly. And arm processors are different than the x86 processors that computers use... you can't expect a 1 ghz arm processor to handle the same things a 1 ghz x86 processor handles... different architecture.
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zarathustrax said:
It may be possible to get it to boot, but I doubt you would be able to get it usable. Also, I think the fact that XP runs on ntfs instead of fat like 98 does, that may make it impossible. And when using emulators, you have to generally have a processor 10 times the speed of what's required for it to work properly. And arm processors are different than the x86 processors that computers use... you can't expect a 1 ghz arm processor to handle the same things a 1 ghz x86 processor handles... different architecture.
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Yeah ! I agree with you.. but the HD2 has a Qualcomm CPU, so I don't know... is it an x86 or an ARM CPU ? .. but it kinda' doesn't make part of either x86 or ARM ...
hmm does our HD has a 1.5 HDD?
running from an external SD card maybe then.
and yes xp supports fat32
but can you format an sd card to NTFS?
Guess a mouse and keyboard would come in handy.
I'm not entirely sure how QEMU works. If it's really an x86 emulator with functioning kernel and driver support, it might work. But I doubt it'd be really usable.
Danny1911 said:
Yeah ! I agree with you.. but the HD2 has a Qualcomm CPU, so I don't know... is it an x86 or an ARM CPU ? .. but it kinda' doesn't make part of either x86 or ARM ...
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Qualcomm's Snapdragons use a custom ARMv7-based CPU comparable to the Cortex-A8, called the "Scorpion".
Also, don't compare clock speeds here. The Scorpion and A8 achieve approximately 2 instructions per clock. Even the lowly Pentium 3 could get about 2.7 instructions per clock.
Add to that the fact that the architecture's being emulated, and that there aren't really any good drivers (meaning little to no hardware acceleration) and you've got yourself some awful performance right there.
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I'm not entirely sure how QEMU works. If it's really an x86 emulator with functioning kernel and driver support, it might work. But I doubt it'd be really usable.
Qualcomm's Snapdragons use a custom ARMv7-based CPU comparable to the Cortex-A8, called the "Scorpion".
Also, don't compare clock speeds here. The Scorpion and A8 achieve approximately 2 instructions per clock. Even the lowly Pentium 3 could get about 2.7 instructions per clock.
Add to that the fact that the architecture's being emulated, and that there aren't really any good drivers (meaning little to no hardware acceleration) and you've got yourself some awful performance right there.
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all in all...dreams busted
We aren't worried about how fast, we just want it to work. Once itworks I am sure people will make drivers.
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soneracar said:
We aren't worried about how fast, we just want it to work. Once itworks I am sure people will make drivers.
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Yes ! Very Right ! I'm totally agree with you !
soneracar said:
We aren't worried about how fast, we just want it to work. Once itworks I am sure people will make drivers.
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After some searching, I did find someone who managed to get XP working.
Here.
Using another x86 emulator, Bochs. You'll need to know a thing or two about coding, obviously. So if anyone really, really wants XP on their phones, go ahead and tell us if that works out.
Within the same thread, people confirmed that with emulation going on in the background, our good ol' QSD8250 scored along the lines of a 90MHz Pentium.
M-en-M said:
After some searching, I did find someone who managed to get XP working.
Here.
Using another x86 emulator, Bochs. You'll need to know a thing or two about coding, obviously. So if anyone really, really wants XP on their phones, go ahead and tell us if that works out.
Within the same thread, people confirmed that with emulation going on in the background, our good ol' QSD8250 scored along the lines of a 90MHz Pentium.
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Awesome !!! Big thx !... at least I'm happy to know that it is possible, and that someone tried it & it worked... good to know... but I think that the software he used "Bochs" is not so good as QEMU... and that may be the main problem why the Win XP is working slow... and also it matters which SP the Windows has, because XP SP1 eates about 100 - 200 MB of RAM... while SP3 eats between 200MB - 300MB ... so it's really important too which SP he had used to boot... using to boot from the SD Card is also the big problem... SD Card is not as fast as the internal memory of the phone...
PS: But anyway... I'm happy to know that someone tried XP on HD2, and it worked... that's Awesome news ! ... I hope some developers may try to work on making a more greater & smaller in capacity Image File of the Windows.. but to keep the same features as like a Real Computer !
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=784424
windows 7 and qemu
as for the size, look at xplite or similar, and there's one for win 7, get rid of all the useless stuff,, you can get xp down to a few hundred meg
never got it running, myself, but i only spent an evening trying.
samsamuel said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=784424
windows 7 and qemu
as for the size, look at xplite or similar, and there's one for win 7, get rid of all the useless stuff,, you can get xp down to a few hundred meg
never got it running, myself, but i only spent an evening trying.
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Wow ! Amazing ! Unexpected xD ! Thx alot man !
When will we have windows phone 7 available for our topaz?
Never , because WIN7 requires some minimal requirements, like 1Ghz CPU... There are several customisations and themes...
beautiful dream í want wp7 too
As has already been said, Win7 REQUIRES a 1ghz processor at the minimum and Topaz or any of its other flavors don't have it. So no Win7 for us.
why No? So we can customize it for Topaz. maybe some features dont work but it will run in topaz finaly.Just We have To W8.
aplkursk said:
Never , because WIN7 requires some minimal requirements, like 1Ghz CPU... There are several customisations and themes...
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As I said the 1GHz processor is made to run the xbox live games. As the UI for itself is lighter than sense which were running. It can be done if its made on the same source code.
Topaz contains a Qualcomm MSM7200A CPU, which supports the ARMv6 instruction set.
Windows Phone 7 was written to take advantage of the *V7* instruction set. Without the original source code, WP7 cannot be ported to run on older generation of processors.
Windows Phone 7 does not *require* a 1GHz CPU, it requires the ARMv7 instruction set. The only way to get WP7 running in this case would require a CPU upgrade.
WP7 works on HD2 because it has a CPU that supports v7 instruction set. This doesn't mean that a port will be easy, it will probably *never* happen.
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Topaz contains a Qualcomm MSM7200A CPU, which supports the ARMv6 instruction set.
Windows Phone 7 was written to take advantage of the *V7* instruction set. Without the original source code, WP7 cannot be ported to run on older generation of processors.
Windows Phone 7 does not *require* a 1GHz CPU, it requires the ARMv7 instruction set. The only way to get WP7 running in this case would require a CPU upgrade.
WP7 works on HD2 because it has a CPU that supports v7 instruction set. This doesn't mean that a port will be easy, it will probably *never* happen.
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I gave up on Topaz so long... It's an obsolete phone but I STILL LOVE IT'D DESIGN!!! And I realized one thing: The best experience with our Topaz only happens when we have a nice Windows Mobile 6.1 ROM--The OS which Topaz is designed to work with. I want to upgrade to Desire HD but... When I heard about Samsung's Galaxy S2, which has a Dual-Core 1GHz CPU.... Well, I'm in doubt now... I love hTC but Samsung is doing well... At the end, guys, forget about WP7 or a complete Android on Topaz. This device is lovely but you shouldn't raise your expectancy on it... Because this device is not designed to work like HD2!! If you want WP7, Android and WM6.5 all in one device, go for HD2... But I still say: I LOVE MY TOPAZ. Even it's slower than HD2.
Just a quick question from someone who is new to this kinda scene, just curious if anyone knows if its possible to run LoL on my eee pad prime (not using a remote rdc though) if i installed linux and used wine would this work? (or are there any other possibilities)
Looking at the minimum system requirements:
Minimum System Requirements
2 GHz processor
1 GB RAM (Windows Vista and 7 users will want 2 GB of RAM or more)
750 MB available hard disk space
Shader version 2.0 capable video card
Support for DirectX v9.0c or better
Windows XP, Windows Vista, or Windows 7 (Mac OS is currently not supported)
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I really don't see being able to play this game on the Prime, especially via Wine.
Only processor speed will be questionable. We do have quad core though. Once we overclock even higher, 2ghz will be easily obtained, it will be possible. That will be dependent of how well a dual boot of Ubuntu will be. Right now it runs alongside android so it shares CPU power etc...Once we dual boot, then ubuntu will have full access to whatever CPU/gpu power it needs. Then it'll just be a manner of getting LoL to load/install on it. Those other specs prime already has or better. PRIME is a beast. Alot more powerful than people may realize. Especially now that we already overclocked to 1.6ghz without even a custom rom or bootloader unlocked. It'll only get better from here. I'd say we doing great, developement wise, in Prime first month of usage. OVERCLOCK, root, ICS, Ubuntu, Fedora, Linux(Backtrk5), added drivers, themes, n so on.
The problem here is you will be trying to run an x86 game on ARM. I'm not sure if x86 emulators even exist to the required standard to even attempt this, but even if they do then you'll likely need a machine with way more power than the prime. Probably 3-5 times at least.
Emulating is very resource demanding.
Thanks for the replies everyone im looking forward to seeing what the prime can do in the near future, i do really enjoy having one, i cant wait untill everything runs perfect with it (rdcs with keyboard bindings for the dock, alt/esc and left/right click working properly) thanks again everyone