When will we have windows phone 7 available for our topaz?
Never , because WIN7 requires some minimal requirements, like 1Ghz CPU... There are several customisations and themes...
beautiful dream í want wp7 too
As has already been said, Win7 REQUIRES a 1ghz processor at the minimum and Topaz or any of its other flavors don't have it. So no Win7 for us.
why No? So we can customize it for Topaz. maybe some features dont work but it will run in topaz finaly.Just We have To W8.
aplkursk said:
Never , because WIN7 requires some minimal requirements, like 1Ghz CPU... There are several customisations and themes...
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As I said the 1GHz processor is made to run the xbox live games. As the UI for itself is lighter than sense which were running. It can be done if its made on the same source code.
Topaz contains a Qualcomm MSM7200A CPU, which supports the ARMv6 instruction set.
Windows Phone 7 was written to take advantage of the *V7* instruction set. Without the original source code, WP7 cannot be ported to run on older generation of processors.
Windows Phone 7 does not *require* a 1GHz CPU, it requires the ARMv7 instruction set. The only way to get WP7 running in this case would require a CPU upgrade.
WP7 works on HD2 because it has a CPU that supports v7 instruction set. This doesn't mean that a port will be easy, it will probably *never* happen.
RufusThorne said:
Topaz contains a Qualcomm MSM7200A CPU, which supports the ARMv6 instruction set.
Windows Phone 7 was written to take advantage of the *V7* instruction set. Without the original source code, WP7 cannot be ported to run on older generation of processors.
Windows Phone 7 does not *require* a 1GHz CPU, it requires the ARMv7 instruction set. The only way to get WP7 running in this case would require a CPU upgrade.
WP7 works on HD2 because it has a CPU that supports v7 instruction set. This doesn't mean that a port will be easy, it will probably *never* happen.
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I gave up on Topaz so long... It's an obsolete phone but I STILL LOVE IT'D DESIGN!!! And I realized one thing: The best experience with our Topaz only happens when we have a nice Windows Mobile 6.1 ROM--The OS which Topaz is designed to work with. I want to upgrade to Desire HD but... When I heard about Samsung's Galaxy S2, which has a Dual-Core 1GHz CPU.... Well, I'm in doubt now... I love hTC but Samsung is doing well... At the end, guys, forget about WP7 or a complete Android on Topaz. This device is lovely but you shouldn't raise your expectancy on it... Because this device is not designed to work like HD2!! If you want WP7, Android and WM6.5 all in one device, go for HD2... But I still say: I LOVE MY TOPAZ. Even it's slower than HD2.
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Since Windows NT supports RISC CPU's, and the PPC CPU's are based on RISC, I was wondering if it is possible to somehow install Windows NT on an Pocket Pc.
What do you guy's think ?
Not snowball's chance in hell. NT was only ever built for x86, SPARC, MIPS and ALPHA (I think there may have been a couple of others) - never for any ARM cores. Same goes for Win 9x/ME/2k/XP/Vista/Whatever.
-- The only alternative OSes you are ever likely to see are *nix/BSD derivatives. --
yes, but what i meant is that nt supports risc cpu architecture. so thats why my question came up
fek NT - get ubuntu
so could i install ubuntu?
they got a new ubuntu-mobile edition comming up
would that work?
soothomas said:
yes, but what i meant is that nt supports risc cpu architecture. so thats why my question came up
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RISC Architecture is not a "standard" like x86, it's more a theory of processor archiecture design. Windows NT supported some RISC architecture processor families as it supported some CISC processors. One might argue that since it supported CISC, it should run on Motorola 680x0 or Natsemi 32016. Clearly it doesn't
You specificially said NT so this probably doesnt help, but there are tutorials and guides out there to help you get Win95/98 emulated and away on your PPC. Runs sub-par though, but if I recall this was done back in 2005, PPCs and emulating software might have come a long way since then..
Hello, I saw a some information on a Norwegian site about the new HTC Dream, with a new processor, the MSM7201A, same as the touch pro.
If so, when somebody dumps a the andriod for the Dream, isn't that fearly "easy" to port, since they have the same processor?
Link to source (translated with google)
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Proper processing
Like most newer advanced smart phones, Dream has been a processor with high-Clock. 528 MHz processor that provides the type of chipset Qualcomm MSM7201A. This is the same chipset that's in the HTC Touch Pro and Touch HD. ADP1 has 192 MB of memory available to the user.
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Can somebody tell me if I'm stupid or confire the facts?
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Even though it has the same processor, the hardware is still different, so while it's fairly easy, you still need to have that in mind when trying to port/make drivers work.
Ginormous thread regarding this topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402002
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Alright I know that the Evo Shift hasn't come out yet but the rom was leaked, right? So what are the chances it would work on the Rhodium to replace Windows. Of course hardware wise the shift is faster but the Rhodium should be able to handle it and it can be overclocked.
I was going to buy a Evo or an Epic but decided to wait heared rumors of phones coming out this year with dual cpu's and I'd rather have a Evo (4.3") with a slide out keyboard and dual cpu (if they do that).
I have run the Android off the SD card but it isn't great. It is good but it would be better if it was a true rom replacement for Windows. I love the keyboard (I believe it is the best slide out keyboard out there) and the tilt (for my kids when we are out and me as well).
Well hope it is possible if not I will just stay with Windows until something better comes along. Good luck to anyone that works on it I have a 2 Sprint Touch Pro2's so I can test on one of them if anyone needs a tester.
Kurisukuni
Dude... the Evo Shift has significantly different hardware. It does the RHOD no good whatsoever...
Of course hardware wise the shift is faster but the Rhodium should be able to handle it and it can be overclocked.
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This statement makes me think you don't really know what you're talking about, you're just making assumptions. It doesn't work like this in the real world, sorry dude.
I honestly laughed out loud.
Sorry for my stupidity. The Overclock comment maybe I should have clarified. Under Project Android they have a download [Android v2.2 Froyo (FRX00B) 700MHz]. Now as for overclocking the Rhodium you can with Msm7kCpuSpeed but it is not safe. So don't give me crap about overclocking.
Now on to comparing the 2 phones (not all the specs):
From:
htc.com phonearena.com
HTC Touch Pro 2 Htc EVO Shift
Operating system:
Windows 6.5 Android 2.2 (Froyo)
Processors:
Qualcomm MSM7600 528 MHz Qualcomm MSM7630 800MHz
Rom:
512mb 2048mb
Ram:
288mb 512mb
Display:
3.6" Resistive (Tilt Screen) 3.6" Capactive Multi Touch
Light Sensor:
Yes Yes
Battery:
1500mAH 1500mAH
Wifi:
b/g b/g/n
Bluetooth:
2.1 2.1
Camera:
3.2 megapixel 5.0 megapixel w/ led flash
Video Camera:
640 x 480 1280x720 (720p HD)
Gps:
yes yes
Max microsd/microsdhc:
32gb 32gb
Keyboard:
5 row 4 rows w/ d/pad
Now if I missed anything important please do tell. As I see it the thing that would hold it back would be the Processor, Ram & Rom. If that is the case then a simple "no not possible" would have been fine. Looking at pictures & videos the Evo Shift looks alot like the Rhodium. I am not saying they are the same just saying they look alike.
If it does happen then great if not then that is fine too. Was just wondering if it is possible.
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Sorry for my stupidity. The Overclock comment maybe I should have clarified. Under Project Android they have a download [Android v2.2 Froyo (FRX00B) 700MHz]. Now as for overclocking the Rhodium you can with Msm7kCpuSpeed but it is not safe. So don't give me crap about overclocking.
Now on to comparing the 2 phones (not all the specs):
From:
htc.com phonearena.com
HTC Touch Pro 2 Htc EVO Shift
Operating system:
Windows 6.5 Android 2.2 (Froyo)
Processors:
Qualcomm MSM7600 528 MHz Qualcomm MSM7630 800MHz
Rom:
512mb 2048mb
Ram:
288mb 512mb
Display:
3.6" Resistive (Tilt Screen) 3.6" Capactive Multi Touch
Light Sensor:
Yes Yes
Battery:
1500mAH 1500mAH
Wifi:
b/g b/g/n
Bluetooth:
2.1 2.1
Camera:
3.2 megapixel 5.0 megapixel w/ led flash
Video Camera:
640 x 480 1280x720 (720p HD)
Gps:
yes yes
Max microsd/microsdhc:
32gb 32gb
Keyboard:
5 row 4 rows w/ d/pad
Now if I missed anything important please do tell. As I see it the thing that would hold it back would be the Processor, Ram & Rom. If that is the case then a simple "no not possible" would have been fine. Looking at pictures & videos the Evo Shift looks alot like the Rhodium. I am not saying they are the same just saying they look alike.
If it does happen then great if not then that is fine too. Was just wondering if it is possible.
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Remember, the processor, RAM, and ROM are the basics of what make up the "computer" part of the device. They are possibly manufactured by the same company (usually with parts imported from different companies), but things like instruction sets, etc could be and usually are very different. Also, the capacitive touch screen will create huge differences as well.
The 7600 is ARMv6, the 7630 is ARMv7 (those are the instruction sets I mentioned). They also have completely different cores, as well. Really, the only things they have in common are similar names and RISC structure.
Thank you! That is all I was looking for. I was hoping it was possible. I figured that would have been it but the that gets me is (I know nothing of writing software) it's not even possible of using the Evo Shift rom as a base. Again if it has alll to do with the processor, ram & rom I understand. But looking at computers for example you put windows xp on a 366mhz computer with 256mhz of ram & have a 500gb ide drive. I runs
Sorry for not finishing doing this off my Rhodium.
It would run slow but it runs. I know there is a big difference between a desk pc & a Smartphone. I am just saying people have rewrote OS's to work on different things. How about running Rhobuntu on the Rhodium? I haven't done it but it has been done.
I am not trying to start any kind of fight or problems was just wondering. I do thank you for the info. I am just learning about alot of stuff. I have flashed my phone & others many times. I am working on rooting & flashing a Samsung Moment now (trying to decided which rom to flash). Currently I am runniing NRGZ28 Energy rom (released 1/6/2010).
Thanks again.
If your question is whether or not a really good or group of really good coders could get it ported, the answer would be "most likely." The point of the answer, though, was it would have to start from ground up. There isn't a whole lot that could be taken from what's currently written for the Rhodium.
The Rhodium has run other software that was not meant for it. It is a matter of writing different drivers, not whether the hardware is there or not.
What's so awesome about the Evo Shift ROM that we don't already have? What is it about it that makes you want it ported?
Note: If you answer "this or that isn't working on with xdandroid" - it is because we don't have drivers for it. The hardware differences between the Evo Shift and Rhodium may be minor on paper, but in reality, they are going to be significantly different in terms of driver compatibility. Just look at all the hardware differences between various Rhodiums the xdandroid team has had to deal with that aren't visible to end users.
Things I would expect:
1) Completely different panel
2) Completely different GPS RPC API (Note: This is probably more dependent on the radio ROM than the hardware itself, but still - it would almost surely be significantly different.)
3) Probably a completely different wifi chipset
4) Probably a completely different bluetooth chipset
5) Completely different camera
I agree with your statement about holding out for a dual core evo shift as that would be the ideal next fone for me too
But as regards your query . . .evo shift is android right? And you do kno we havnt even perfected Basic Nand yet (good work being don't but not their yet) its not a case of ripping the rom changing a few things BAm! Flash it on and bobs your uncle its far from that Even if the device had the same specs. But regarding the specs you mentioned about the rhodium vs the evo. . .that is a pretty huge difference hardware wise even if you take overcloking into account(which will suk the battery dry)
For example take the huawei, iv heard it has close on identical specs to the rhodium family devices (528 processor) and it runs android froyo . . . . But that rom couldn't be just ripped and stuk on the touch pro. A port was made and after a lot of work it was got running (over on neopeek), But it wasn't Nand at all. It was run from sd card (which is the best method atm)
So in short could we get it running on tp2? Yes . . . .But it would NOT be off nand. And would it be worth the time and effort? No. . . . .because even after all the work I can almost garentee that it won't run as well as the huawei rom or other ported fone firmwares due to the fact of hardware differences
Just a quick question from someone who is new to this kinda scene, just curious if anyone knows if its possible to run LoL on my eee pad prime (not using a remote rdc though) if i installed linux and used wine would this work? (or are there any other possibilities)
Looking at the minimum system requirements:
Minimum System Requirements
2 GHz processor
1 GB RAM (Windows Vista and 7 users will want 2 GB of RAM or more)
750 MB available hard disk space
Shader version 2.0 capable video card
Support for DirectX v9.0c or better
Windows XP, Windows Vista, or Windows 7 (Mac OS is currently not supported)
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I really don't see being able to play this game on the Prime, especially via Wine.
Only processor speed will be questionable. We do have quad core though. Once we overclock even higher, 2ghz will be easily obtained, it will be possible. That will be dependent of how well a dual boot of Ubuntu will be. Right now it runs alongside android so it shares CPU power etc...Once we dual boot, then ubuntu will have full access to whatever CPU/gpu power it needs. Then it'll just be a manner of getting LoL to load/install on it. Those other specs prime already has or better. PRIME is a beast. Alot more powerful than people may realize. Especially now that we already overclocked to 1.6ghz without even a custom rom or bootloader unlocked. It'll only get better from here. I'd say we doing great, developement wise, in Prime first month of usage. OVERCLOCK, root, ICS, Ubuntu, Fedora, Linux(Backtrk5), added drivers, themes, n so on.
The problem here is you will be trying to run an x86 game on ARM. I'm not sure if x86 emulators even exist to the required standard to even attempt this, but even if they do then you'll likely need a machine with way more power than the prime. Probably 3-5 times at least.
Emulating is very resource demanding.
Thanks for the replies everyone im looking forward to seeing what the prime can do in the near future, i do really enjoy having one, i cant wait untill everything runs perfect with it (rdcs with keyboard bindings for the dock, alt/esc and left/right click working properly) thanks again everyone
Are there any glaring reasons that will make it impossible to cook a WP 8 ROM for the Titan? Might we someday expect DFT to conquer this?
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Are there any glaring reasons that will make it impossible to cook a WP 8 ROM for the Titan? Might we someday expect DFT to conquer this?
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I think it's a (little) too early to ask!!
I think any processes that utilize the dual core processor will be the problem with having WP8 on our phone. I'm sure other features that don't utilize the hardware will be included in 7.8, and those that can be ported will hopefully work as well.
No one says WP8 phones HAS to be dual core. The new desktop OS based core is flexible enough to support various hardware configurations and there should not be any impact on software.
who knows.. Through custom roms, we may be able to port wp8, let's wait until it ripens.
I think the biggest hurdle is the fact that WP8 is encrypted at the hardware level, thus getting a kitchen to work with in the first place is going to require some serious hacking, luck and most importantly: funds.
Dual core
foxbat121 said:
No one says WP8 phones HAS to be dual core. The new desktop OS based core is flexible enough to support various hardware configurations and there should not be any impact on software.
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Wait, let me see:
Windows Phone 7 (NoDo / Mango / Tango) = Snapdragon S2 (single core: 800 Mhz till 1500 Mhz, mostly 1000 Mhz*)
Windows Phone 8 (Apollo / Unknown) = Snapdragon S4 (dual core: 1500 till 1700 Mhz, mostly 1500 Mhz*)
This is a fact
*Mhz is megaherz, 1000 Mhz = 1 Ghz (gigaherz)
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Wait, let me see:
Windows Phone 7 (NoDo / Mango / Tango) = Snapdragon S2 (single core: 800 Mhz till 1500 Mhz, mostly 1000 Mhz*)
Windows Phone 8 (Apollo / Unknown) = Snapdragon S4 (dual core: 1500 till 1700 Mhz, mostly 1500 Mhz*)
This is a fact
*Mhz is megaherz, 1000 Mhz = 1 Ghz (gigaherz)
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Yeah, and Windows 8 "requires" at least a 1.0GHz single core, but I have personally installed it on my 800MHz HTC Shift.
If desktop 8 can run on single core, so can WP8. They share the same kernel. Those "requirements" are manufacturer guidelines, they mean nothing.
the main problem are the drivers....i think only htc can write new drivers for new kernel
Lets just wait and see.. Htc magician/o2 mini was able to run Wm6.1,despite that no drivers were officially released . Same as htc hd2 which was able to run wp7. Maybe our titan can run wp8,hopefully..
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Lets just wait and see.. Htc magician/o2 mini was able to run Wm6.1,despite that no drivers were officially released . Same as htc hd2 which was able to run wp7. Maybe our titan can run wp8,hopefully..
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Mostly because those wp7 drivers were leaked, the HD2 was a development phone. So if HTC used the titan for WP8 testing and if those test drivers are leaked or a group like DFT gets them then yes we might see WP8, but i doubt it.