Are there any glaring reasons that will make it impossible to cook a WP 8 ROM for the Titan? Might we someday expect DFT to conquer this?
Sent from my HTC Titan using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
fillippe said:
Are there any glaring reasons that will make it impossible to cook a WP 8 ROM for the Titan? Might we someday expect DFT to conquer this?
Sent from my HTC Titan using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think it's a (little) too early to ask!!
I think any processes that utilize the dual core processor will be the problem with having WP8 on our phone. I'm sure other features that don't utilize the hardware will be included in 7.8, and those that can be ported will hopefully work as well.
No one says WP8 phones HAS to be dual core. The new desktop OS based core is flexible enough to support various hardware configurations and there should not be any impact on software.
who knows.. Through custom roms, we may be able to port wp8, let's wait until it ripens.
I think the biggest hurdle is the fact that WP8 is encrypted at the hardware level, thus getting a kitchen to work with in the first place is going to require some serious hacking, luck and most importantly: funds.
Dual core
foxbat121 said:
No one says WP8 phones HAS to be dual core. The new desktop OS based core is flexible enough to support various hardware configurations and there should not be any impact on software.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wait, let me see:
Windows Phone 7 (NoDo / Mango / Tango) = Snapdragon S2 (single core: 800 Mhz till 1500 Mhz, mostly 1000 Mhz*)
Windows Phone 8 (Apollo / Unknown) = Snapdragon S4 (dual core: 1500 till 1700 Mhz, mostly 1500 Mhz*)
This is a fact
*Mhz is megaherz, 1000 Mhz = 1 Ghz (gigaherz)
sianto1997 said:
Wait, let me see:
Windows Phone 7 (NoDo / Mango / Tango) = Snapdragon S2 (single core: 800 Mhz till 1500 Mhz, mostly 1000 Mhz*)
Windows Phone 8 (Apollo / Unknown) = Snapdragon S4 (dual core: 1500 till 1700 Mhz, mostly 1500 Mhz*)
This is a fact
*Mhz is megaherz, 1000 Mhz = 1 Ghz (gigaherz)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, and Windows 8 "requires" at least a 1.0GHz single core, but I have personally installed it on my 800MHz HTC Shift.
If desktop 8 can run on single core, so can WP8. They share the same kernel. Those "requirements" are manufacturer guidelines, they mean nothing.
the main problem are the drivers....i think only htc can write new drivers for new kernel
Lets just wait and see.. Htc magician/o2 mini was able to run Wm6.1,despite that no drivers were officially released . Same as htc hd2 which was able to run wp7. Maybe our titan can run wp8,hopefully..
iamwin said:
Lets just wait and see.. Htc magician/o2 mini was able to run Wm6.1,despite that no drivers were officially released . Same as htc hd2 which was able to run wp7. Maybe our titan can run wp8,hopefully..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Mostly because those wp7 drivers were leaked, the HD2 was a development phone. So if HTC used the titan for WP8 testing and if those test drivers are leaked or a group like DFT gets them then yes we might see WP8, but i doubt it.
Related
Hello, I saw a some information on a Norwegian site about the new HTC Dream, with a new processor, the MSM7201A, same as the touch pro.
If so, when somebody dumps a the andriod for the Dream, isn't that fearly "easy" to port, since they have the same processor?
Link to source (translated with google)
"
Proper processing
Like most newer advanced smart phones, Dream has been a processor with high-Clock. 528 MHz processor that provides the type of chipset Qualcomm MSM7201A. This is the same chipset that's in the HTC Touch Pro and Touch HD. ADP1 has 192 MB of memory available to the user.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Can somebody tell me if I'm stupid or confire the facts?
Fraction
Even though it has the same processor, the hardware is still different, so while it's fairly easy, you still need to have that in mind when trying to port/make drivers work.
Ginormous thread regarding this topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402002
Mods: please close...
When will we have windows phone 7 available for our topaz?
Never , because WIN7 requires some minimal requirements, like 1Ghz CPU... There are several customisations and themes...
beautiful dream í want wp7 too
As has already been said, Win7 REQUIRES a 1ghz processor at the minimum and Topaz or any of its other flavors don't have it. So no Win7 for us.
why No? So we can customize it for Topaz. maybe some features dont work but it will run in topaz finaly.Just We have To W8.
aplkursk said:
Never , because WIN7 requires some minimal requirements, like 1Ghz CPU... There are several customisations and themes...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As I said the 1GHz processor is made to run the xbox live games. As the UI for itself is lighter than sense which were running. It can be done if its made on the same source code.
Topaz contains a Qualcomm MSM7200A CPU, which supports the ARMv6 instruction set.
Windows Phone 7 was written to take advantage of the *V7* instruction set. Without the original source code, WP7 cannot be ported to run on older generation of processors.
Windows Phone 7 does not *require* a 1GHz CPU, it requires the ARMv7 instruction set. The only way to get WP7 running in this case would require a CPU upgrade.
WP7 works on HD2 because it has a CPU that supports v7 instruction set. This doesn't mean that a port will be easy, it will probably *never* happen.
RufusThorne said:
Topaz contains a Qualcomm MSM7200A CPU, which supports the ARMv6 instruction set.
Windows Phone 7 was written to take advantage of the *V7* instruction set. Without the original source code, WP7 cannot be ported to run on older generation of processors.
Windows Phone 7 does not *require* a 1GHz CPU, it requires the ARMv7 instruction set. The only way to get WP7 running in this case would require a CPU upgrade.
WP7 works on HD2 because it has a CPU that supports v7 instruction set. This doesn't mean that a port will be easy, it will probably *never* happen.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I gave up on Topaz so long... It's an obsolete phone but I STILL LOVE IT'D DESIGN!!! And I realized one thing: The best experience with our Topaz only happens when we have a nice Windows Mobile 6.1 ROM--The OS which Topaz is designed to work with. I want to upgrade to Desire HD but... When I heard about Samsung's Galaxy S2, which has a Dual-Core 1GHz CPU.... Well, I'm in doubt now... I love hTC but Samsung is doing well... At the end, guys, forget about WP7 or a complete Android on Topaz. This device is lovely but you shouldn't raise your expectancy on it... Because this device is not designed to work like HD2!! If you want WP7, Android and WM6.5 all in one device, go for HD2... But I still say: I LOVE MY TOPAZ. Even it's slower than HD2.
I read this article
Not even Qualcomm thinks dual-core is working out yet
According to that Ice Cream Sandwich is expected to fully support Dual core so those dual core phones really doesn't give the dual core performance?
there IS a noticeable difference on the dual core phones for multi threaded apps, but those are few and far between. so for now, buying a dual core phone is like buying a 4g phone, youre future proofed against the changes, but nothing for now...
Yes that's true ^^
Now we don't need dual-core for the phone but this is useful for the future
I believe by the time the next generation of dual core possibly quad devices are released end of this year beginning of next, the software should be able to take advantage of the hard ware, lets just hope that batteries tech has come on enough to be able to support them
Swyped from HTC Desire S using XDA Premium
My phone's lost. I dropped it somewhere last night or maybe someone picked my pocket. It's out of service now, wifi/data off, and it was pattern locked. I think the only way for anyone to use it is to reformat the thing. No "Plan B" and I regret uninstalling one of the security apps which would have wiped it clean with a text message.
I've been watching and learning from this corner of xda-dev ever since I rooted my phone. From Unofficial CM7's to Unofficial CM9's. Without this forum, I would have been stuck with a bricked phone a long time ago. There was a lot of help and I thank those that gave tips on what to do to fix issues.
Thank you to all devs for making our lowly O1 the best that it can be, especially the ones who brought in ICS goodness. I've always procrastinated buying a new phone. Seems like every time I come to a decision, someone makes a major breakthrough with the OS. Was hoping to try adfad666's JellyBean today but well... life's life. I guess this is a sign? LOL
I'll settle down with another part of the forum once I've made up my mind on which phone to get. On a side note, any suggestions? Something a step up from the O1?
HTC one x if you can support it
Or HTC HD 2 galaxy s III
Or what I might get - HTC amaze/one s in the US
Sent from my LG-P500 using xda premium
Yeah, I've had my eye on HTC phones. But the ones I want are way out of budget. LOL. I checked pricing for HD2, I think I can manage that. But isn't it a windows phone? I guess you can load Android on it, eh?
Hey, I haven't verbally thanked you, but thank you for your JellyBean goodies post!
androidmeda said:
Yeah, I've had my eye on HTC phones. But the ones I want are way out of budget. LOL. I checked pricing for HD2, I think I can manage that. But isn't it a windows phone? I guess you can load Android on it, eh?
Hey, I haven't verbally thanked you, but thank you for your JellyBean goodies post!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Your welcone
Yeah it has a full jelly bean port and almost every android version ported on it. If you are sense fan like me then it has almost every version of sense available for that 1.5-4.0
And it has windows phone 7 on it too
I had that then I broke it by dropping it into a pool
Lol my old Nokia 3310 survived that then I ran it over with my truck(accidentally)
Sent from my LG-P500 using xda premium
ps. be happy that you don't live in the US. they have all them bloatware, really really locked bootloaders, no sideloading apps blah blah blah
really annoying
they don't want you to root your device because then you don't get the same "customer experience" and they also say that you might be "tampering with the network" or "ruining other customers experiences" by you rooting a phone that you paid for. BS
And I thought 3310 were invincible. You sure you weren't testing it's invincibility? :silly: Anyway, thanks for the advise. I'm leaning towards the HD2 the more I'm reading about it. Old phone still packs a punch.
androidmeda said:
I'm leaning towards the HD2 the more I'm reading about it. Old phone still packs a punch.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, i would suggest buying a phone with newer chip.
HD2 has QSD8250(Q4 2008). I dont think qualcomm's gonna support it forever(like it did with us)
So, you should check this site.
I recommend
Galaxy Ace Plus 1.0 GHz ARM Cortex-A5 Adreno 200 (enhanced) Q4 2011
LG Optimus L7 1.0 GHz ARM Cortex-A5 Adreno 200 (enhanced) Q4 2011
Any phone applicable to your budget and needs in MSM8255(much better) 1-1.5 GHz Scorpion Adreno 205 Q2 2010
Wait for Ace 2
GobletSky31689 said:
Well, i would suggest buying a phone with newer chip.
HD2 has QSD8250(Q4 2008). I dont think qualcomm's gonna support it forever(like it did with us)
So, you should check this site.
I recommend
Galaxy Ace Plus 1.0 GHz ARM Cortex-A5 Adreno 200 (enhanced) Q4 2011
LG Optimus L7 1.0 GHz ARM Cortex-A5 Adreno 200 (enhanced) Q4 2011
Any phone applicable to your budget and needs in MSM8255(much better) 1-1.5 GHz Scorpion Adreno 205 Q2 2010
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I would suggest to wait for Galaxy Ace 2 : 800 Mhz Dual Core (2 Cortex A9 cores UNDERCLOCKED) with 768 MB ram and Mali400MP GPU on Novathor U8500 chip and also approx 240dpi 480x800 px 3.8 in screen!! .WOOOW!!! but it does not come ICS out of box...but naaah WHY ARE WE HERE
Processor is underclocked for battery (Same processor as in xperia U but 1 ghz) so Overclocking is a Breeeeze..
so will the gnex be a high end phone as in having desktop convergence? according to their website, for it to be a high end phone, it needs to have a quadcore a9 processor. otherwise it fulfills every other aspect. this phone has a dualcore a9 processor, so will there be desktop convergence. I really hope there will be I want to try it out.
Well from what I saw, every video demo etc. Was specifically the galaxy nexus. At one point I did see "a" phone connected using the desktop feature. Each phone I saw using the Ubuntu mobile has been the nexus.
Edit : I've also heard the specs released aren't final and just a figure for certain phones.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
vwade79 said:
so will the gnex be a high end phone as in having desktop convergence? according to their website, for it to be a high end phone, it needs to have a quadcore a9 processor. otherwise it fulfills every other aspect. this phone has a dualcore a9 processor, so will there be desktop convergence. I really hope there will be I want to try it out.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
the entry specs are
1Ghz Cortex A9
512MB – 1GB
4-8GB eMMC + SD
Multi-touch
hig end specs are
Quad-core A9 or Intel Atom
Min 1GB
Min 32GB eMMC + SD
Multi-touch
so i think The Galaxy Nexus is just a "normal" UbuntuPhone device
owain94 said:
the entry specs are
1Ghz Cortex A9
512MB – 1GB
4-8GB eMMC + SD
Multi-touch
hig end specs are
Quad-core A9 or Intel Atom
Min 1GB
Min 32GB eMMC + SD
Multi-touch
so i think The Galaxy Nexus is just a "normal" UbuntuPhone device
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
that's OEM specs, which doesn't mean much for download/install version potentially. The values of which would have been decided are best to give the full desktop experience - including downloading alot of desktop apps. Time will tell, but I suspect desktop version will run perfectly on GNEX, or any other internal memory only phone - it's just a matter of keeping your eye on space available when you are installing Ubuntu native apps.
I'm also wondering if the Desktop Feature will simply be disabled on devices with lower than recommended specs. I have seen some Ubuntu on Android videos using a Motorolla Atrix II which has exactly the same hardware as the GNex. It ran the desktop and even Ubuntu TV pretty good considering it was early in development (1 year ago) and running ontop of Android with bridges to access the phone settings and apps.