I read this article
Not even Qualcomm thinks dual-core is working out yet
According to that Ice Cream Sandwich is expected to fully support Dual core so those dual core phones really doesn't give the dual core performance?
there IS a noticeable difference on the dual core phones for multi threaded apps, but those are few and far between. so for now, buying a dual core phone is like buying a 4g phone, youre future proofed against the changes, but nothing for now...
Yes that's true ^^
Now we don't need dual-core for the phone but this is useful for the future
I believe by the time the next generation of dual core possibly quad devices are released end of this year beginning of next, the software should be able to take advantage of the hard ware, lets just hope that batteries tech has come on enough to be able to support them
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Quick question. I was reading an article about the HTC One X. It supposedly will come with a tegra 3 quad core processor but not in the US. We will get a Snapdragon S4 dual core so it can have LTE.
Does this mean we are stuck with dual core Snapdragon's in the future? Why can't they add LTE to the Tegra 3? It seems like a pretty big difference in processors. If I were planning on getting the One X I would be pretty disappointed knowing there is a more powerful phone out there. Why do we get gypped compared to overseas??
I guess I'm just saying that there are a ton of different chips out there and I don't wanna be stuck with Snapdragon's forever just to have LTE.
SkizzMcNizz said:
Quick question. I was reading an article about the HTC One X. It supposedly will come with a tegra 3 quad core processor but not in the US. We will get a Snapdragon S4 dual core so it can have LTE.
Does this mean we are stuck with dual core Snapdragon's in the future? Why can't they add LTE to the Tegra 3? It seems like a pretty big difference in processors. If I were planning on getting the One X I would be pretty disappointed knowing there is a more powerful phone out there. Why do we get gypped compared to overseas??
I guess I'm just saying that there are a ton of different chips out there and I don't wanna be stuck with Snapdragon's forever just to have LTE.
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The S4 smokes the Tegra3 in just about every conceivable test. More cores ≠ better performance.
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The S4 smokes the Tegra3 in just about every conceivable test. More cores ≠ better performance.
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This. People have this notion that just because a CPU has more cores that it is going to perform better. That isn't always the case. It has to do with architecture.
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The S4 smokes the Tegra3 in just about every conceivable test. More cores ≠ better performance.
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Cores do help in more simultaneous tasks taking place though, no? So if you're running multiple tasks, the Tegra can handle more of a load than the S4 would be able to?
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Cores do help in more simultaneous tasks taking place though, no? So if you're running multiple tasks, the Tegra can handle more of a load than the S4 would be able to?
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Sure, but as anandtech said:
"Qualcomm's strengths are clearly single/lightly threaded CPU performance as Krait is able to offer some significant steps forward in that department. Tegra 3 can hold onto an advantage in heavily threaded apps, but I'm not entirely convinced that in phones we'll see a lot of that."
Basically, sure, yeah, there's a theoretical advantage, but what are you doing on your phone that necessitates four cores? And even then, the S4 doesn't perform significantly better or worse on multithreaded tests than the Tegra3.
By the time you need a new phone, there'll be quad-core Qualcomm processors. I wouldn't worry, at all.
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Sure, but as anandtech said:
"Qualcomm's strengths are clearly single/lightly threaded CPU performance as Krait is able to offer some significant steps forward in that department. Tegra 3 can hold onto an advantage in heavily threaded apps, but I'm not entirely convinced that in phones we'll see a lot of that."
Basically, sure, yeah, there's a theoretical advantage, but what are you doing on your phone that necessitates four cores? And even then, the S4 doesn't perform significantly better or worse on multithreaded tests than the Tegra3.
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It's like putting two engines in your car. It has the *potential* to go really fast, but unless your car is built to use two engines, it's not going to make any difference. Not the best example, I know. But it's simple.
As per the OP, we just don't have compatible LTE/Tegra3 combinations yet. Very bluntly, our LTE stuff sucks. (Which is why Apple passed on it with the 4S) Eventually, there will be an LTE modem that works with a quad-core chip, it's just not there right now. Like everyone else has said, in real world performance, you won't notice it anyway.
Nvidia is working on a Tegra 3 chipset with LTE built in I think I read.
Regardless, S4 is still a beast of a chip.
im glad the htc one isn't coming to verizon. it's stuff like this that makes our rezound outdated way before it's time. no one really "needs" a quad in a cell phone and im glad there isn't alot of quad core devices coming this year. both ces & mobile world congress were a big disappointment as far as im concerned.
IMO, the S4 dual core is an awesome chip. I am very skeptical about quad core battery performance. Due to technical advancements maybe they are superior. We will see soon enough.
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still no good with limited. if you're not doing heavy multithreaded work you won't see much difference plus 4 cores means more battery consumption vs dual
Tegra = fail. The market is doing a good job with over hyping dual core and quad core. Some people think it's almost necessary to have dual/quad socs , when other platforms like w7 run just fine on a single core.
isn't the second core on resound usually asleep a lot of the time unless needed? now you can have 3 cores taking a nap
lol.
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most dual core phones only use the second core as a back-up or for HDMI only
thus making it pointless to have quad-core phones at the moment i ran everything just fine on my Thunderbolt which was single core and it out performed my stock rezound.. and yes quad core i presume would be a battery drainer cuz dual cores don't really even have that good of battery life and single cores r the same
and snapdragon has quadcores already and they r in the midst of working on 8core chipsets but that wont be out till late 2013 early mid 2014 so stick with what u have
all good things take time
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Comparing The Tegra 3 and the Snapdragon S4 is like comparing the AMD Bulldozer chips with the current Intel chips. They put more cores on a die and call it "The Fastest" but when the benchmarks start showing up it falls short of a lower end, more efficient chips. In theory more cores = more power, but in reality architectural is everything. All the hype from people being like "MOAR COREZ OMG FASTER" is a bunch of bull...
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im glad the htc one isn't coming to verizon. it's stuff like this that makes our rezound outdated way before it's time. no one really "needs" a quad in a cell phone and im glad there isn't alot of quad core devices coming this year. both ces & mobile world congress were a big disappointment as far as im concerned.
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CES and MWC are just teasers anyways. Did you see the Rezound, Nexus, Razr, Razr Maxx, Transformer Prime, Galaxy Note, etc at those events last year? Nope, you saw the Bionic which 7 months later was a disastrophy, lol.
Did veruzon say they weren't getting the one x? I know there is a new verizon htc phone on the road map.
I'm curious about the snapdragon s4 just because it has lte integrated.
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Well the One X has the same processor as my laptop 1.5 gh quad core. The only thing I think my computer really needs the quad cores for is intense games especially my wii emulator, which probably could run on One X since it has the same processor as my computer.
Ndaoud360 said:
Well the One X has the same processor as my laptop 1.5 gh quad core. The only thing I think my computer really needs the quad cores for is intense games especially my wii emulator, which probably could run on One X since it has the same processor as my computer.
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It's also pretty dependent on the GPU. Not sure what kind of graphics card your laptop has, but that has a pretty substantial effect on gaming.
The One X has a great dedicated GPU, but it's still a phone. Not sure if it can really match up to an actual computer's graphics card, but I've been wrong before.
Hi hi hi,
I remember back when ICS wasn't out, it was said that dual-core phones weren't able to fulfill their full potential, because the OS (e.g. 2.3.6) only supported single core.
My question is about the new quad-core phones that are coming out. Does ICS support quad-core? If not, will they function as dual-core, or will they be faster? How much faster?
This is an important issue to take into concideration when thinking about buying a new phone..
Thanks!
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I am not deep enough in android code to say whether android itself is capable of exploiting multicores cpus, but I can say two things that I saw myself.
#1 there are already apps for video playing that allow you to set how many cores they must use to reproduce full HD videos.
#2 if you run a chrooted Ubuntu with a single core, a dual core and a quad you'll notice a huge improvement in performance.
IMHO multicores are useful for videodecoding and heavy multitasking. On the other side, the performance gap between single and multicores cpus is not very significant when running a single application. It may depend a lot on how apps themselves are written and if they actually use the cores, more than on gingerbread or ics.
Hey I was reading about the sgs3 and I was under the impression that it would be a quad core but in the official tmo article it say this: a Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ S4 Processor with 1.5 GHz Dual-Core CPUs and 2GB of RAM, the Galaxy S III also offers a large, 2100mAh battery to power hours of on-the-go entertainment.
So are they saying it is going to have 2 dual core cpu's =ing a quad core or is it just a dual core? I am not the brightest person so maybe one of you can set me straight. Because I would rather just not spend the money until a quad core comes out. I will be happy with my SGS2 runing AOKP for now.
the international version will have (1) quad core exynos chip - the us variants have (1) dual core 1.5 chip.
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the international version has a quad core processor, all U.S variants have a dual core processor.
This is the only hardware difference between models, as well as the U.S variants having 2GB of ram and the international version having 1GB of ram.
mojorisin7178 said:
Hey I was reading about the sgs3 and I was under the impression that it would be a quad core but in the official tmo article it say this: a Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ S4 Processor with 1.5 GHz Dual-Core CPUs and 2GB of RAM, the Galaxy S III also offers a large, 2100mAh battery to power hours of on-the-go entertainment.
So are they saying it is going to have 2 dual core cpu's =ing a quad core or is it just a dual core? I am not the brightest person so maybe one of you can set me straight. Because I would rather just not spend the money until a quad core comes out. I will be happy with my SGS2 runing AOKP for now.
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Questions go in Q&A and its a dual core 2 gigs of ram for the US version because of problems with LTE
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Tmobile will be as fast as the international, with dual Q
Its a dual core what gets my question is why HTC and Samsung ship their new devices with quadcore in Europe but dualcore in the us!!!
gypsy214 said:
Its a dual core what gets my question is why HTC and Samsung ship their new devices with quadcore in Europe but dualcore in the us!!!
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Here's your answer lol.
JPOKeefe said:
Questions go in Q&A and its a dual core 2 gigs of ram for the US version because of problems with LTE
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I don't get why you people want a quadcore phone. I bet most of your computers aren't even quadcore. Don't really see a need for it to run the things we have on our phones. I doubt any apps will utilize all 4 cores.
Beefvvl said:
Here's your answer lol.
I don't get why you people want a quadcore phone. I bet most of your computers aren't even quadcore. Don't really see a need for it to run the things we have on our phones. I doubt any apps will utilize all 4 cores.
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Cause four cores HAS to be better then two right? Arent there multiple instances where dual core android devices out perform quad cores?
Beefvvl said:
Here's your answer lol.
I don't get why you people want a quadcore phone. I bet most of your computers aren't even quadcore. Don't really see a need for it to run the things we have on our phones. I doubt any apps will utilize all 4 cores.
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Its just so they can run to their friends and say they have a quad core phone. I completely agree. There is absolutely no need for a quad core yet.
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Its a dual core what gets my question is why HTC and Samsung ship their new devices with quadcore in Europe but dualcore in the us!!!
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europe (and most of the rest of the world) is dominated by hspa+ and not lte. qualcomm is the only soc producer that has integrated lte into the soc (so it doesn't get terrible battery life like the gnexus) so they get the exynos and tegra socs, we get krait s4.
LMAO.. Spects..
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Questions go in Q&A and its a dual core 2 gigs of ram for the US version because of problems with LTE
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are there any specific reasons the quad causes problems with the lte modem?
I googled it and cannot find anything.
webstas said:
are there any specific reasons the quad causes problems with the lte modem?
I googled it and cannot find anything.
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The quadcore doesn't "cause problems" but the SoC does not have an LTE modem in it. LTE would require a separate modem/chip.
On the dualcore Qualcomm SoCs, the LTE modem is physically a part of the chip.
Hi, newb here very confused about the (cpu) specs on this phone. I checked every where and am finding different results.
On the s3 main topic page, it clearly states "quad-core Exynos 4412 processor 1.40ghz". When I went to the store, and checked sprint's page, it says this phone has a 1.5ghz DUAL CORE processor. Either way, cant complain with a 1.5ghz dual core, considering its prob the fastest thing at the moment,
My (sprint) upgrade has been up since last year this time, and I have been waiting on something that will be future proof for the next 2 years, and I finally acted on it today. Lte, which I dont understand whether its way faster than 4g, but I know lte is prob the route to take.
1280p screen, can deal with that. Now, the quad core processor, which I know will prob have some major drain on the battery, til the Gods here make some really nice uv adjustments, disabling maybe 2 or 3 cores while phone is sleeping, and too much nothing that a bigger batt wont help, worse case scenario.
Now, im assuming games and apps will start being made to handle 4 cores, in the near future, maybe a year from now, so thats why a quad core would be extra handy, for future proofing.
So, my spidey senses tells me that different carriers have different specs? So, whats the true spec for the sprint version?
All the US models are dual core 1.5 GHz S4. The international model is quad core exynos 1.4 GHz. This forum is for international model I9300... There is a separate forum for US models
Thank God for pointing that out, im for certain, that wouldve been a guaranteed brick if I hadve start flashing things from this forum. Dude, I O U!!
How long you guys think it'll be until US carriers get phones with octa core processors? I'm thinking of getting the S4 but I don't want to get the quad core US version and then a couple months later, octa core phones start coming out.
What's the point of octa-core exactly? I don't understand what real life benefits it can have over the quad core SnapDragon 600 processor being used in the competition's flagships. IMHO it's completely gimmicky and silly for present times. I understand your view, I would want the higher version too if I'm paying for it, but I feel the S4 on the whole is silly and doesn't bring anything new to the table other than gimmicky stuff. Its looks don't help either.
Good read - http://tau.shadowchild.nl/attn1/?p=396
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Completely agree with the above comments.. Even if you have an Octa core working in your device, only four cores will be working at a time.. and the latest benchmarks scores from the galaxy s4 shows that the qualcom 600 seris scores more than the exynos Octa.. So its juts a mere number game by Samsung.. at least at this point of time.. the quadrant score for the Qualcom 600 in HTC one is in the range of 12000.. Any of the current (i believe for at least another year) will work like a charm with this processor..