Alright I know that the Evo Shift hasn't come out yet but the rom was leaked, right? So what are the chances it would work on the Rhodium to replace Windows. Of course hardware wise the shift is faster but the Rhodium should be able to handle it and it can be overclocked.
I was going to buy a Evo or an Epic but decided to wait heared rumors of phones coming out this year with dual cpu's and I'd rather have a Evo (4.3") with a slide out keyboard and dual cpu (if they do that).
I have run the Android off the SD card but it isn't great. It is good but it would be better if it was a true rom replacement for Windows. I love the keyboard (I believe it is the best slide out keyboard out there) and the tilt (for my kids when we are out and me as well).
Well hope it is possible if not I will just stay with Windows until something better comes along. Good luck to anyone that works on it I have a 2 Sprint Touch Pro2's so I can test on one of them if anyone needs a tester.
Kurisukuni
Dude... the Evo Shift has significantly different hardware. It does the RHOD no good whatsoever...
Of course hardware wise the shift is faster but the Rhodium should be able to handle it and it can be overclocked.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This statement makes me think you don't really know what you're talking about, you're just making assumptions. It doesn't work like this in the real world, sorry dude.
I honestly laughed out loud.
Sorry for my stupidity. The Overclock comment maybe I should have clarified. Under Project Android they have a download [Android v2.2 Froyo (FRX00B) 700MHz]. Now as for overclocking the Rhodium you can with Msm7kCpuSpeed but it is not safe. So don't give me crap about overclocking.
Now on to comparing the 2 phones (not all the specs):
From:
htc.com phonearena.com
HTC Touch Pro 2 Htc EVO Shift
Operating system:
Windows 6.5 Android 2.2 (Froyo)
Processors:
Qualcomm MSM7600 528 MHz Qualcomm MSM7630 800MHz
Rom:
512mb 2048mb
Ram:
288mb 512mb
Display:
3.6" Resistive (Tilt Screen) 3.6" Capactive Multi Touch
Light Sensor:
Yes Yes
Battery:
1500mAH 1500mAH
Wifi:
b/g b/g/n
Bluetooth:
2.1 2.1
Camera:
3.2 megapixel 5.0 megapixel w/ led flash
Video Camera:
640 x 480 1280x720 (720p HD)
Gps:
yes yes
Max microsd/microsdhc:
32gb 32gb
Keyboard:
5 row 4 rows w/ d/pad
Now if I missed anything important please do tell. As I see it the thing that would hold it back would be the Processor, Ram & Rom. If that is the case then a simple "no not possible" would have been fine. Looking at pictures & videos the Evo Shift looks alot like the Rhodium. I am not saying they are the same just saying they look alike.
If it does happen then great if not then that is fine too. Was just wondering if it is possible.
Kurisukuni said:
Sorry for my stupidity. The Overclock comment maybe I should have clarified. Under Project Android they have a download [Android v2.2 Froyo (FRX00B) 700MHz]. Now as for overclocking the Rhodium you can with Msm7kCpuSpeed but it is not safe. So don't give me crap about overclocking.
Now on to comparing the 2 phones (not all the specs):
From:
htc.com phonearena.com
HTC Touch Pro 2 Htc EVO Shift
Operating system:
Windows 6.5 Android 2.2 (Froyo)
Processors:
Qualcomm MSM7600 528 MHz Qualcomm MSM7630 800MHz
Rom:
512mb 2048mb
Ram:
288mb 512mb
Display:
3.6" Resistive (Tilt Screen) 3.6" Capactive Multi Touch
Light Sensor:
Yes Yes
Battery:
1500mAH 1500mAH
Wifi:
b/g b/g/n
Bluetooth:
2.1 2.1
Camera:
3.2 megapixel 5.0 megapixel w/ led flash
Video Camera:
640 x 480 1280x720 (720p HD)
Gps:
yes yes
Max microsd/microsdhc:
32gb 32gb
Keyboard:
5 row 4 rows w/ d/pad
Now if I missed anything important please do tell. As I see it the thing that would hold it back would be the Processor, Ram & Rom. If that is the case then a simple "no not possible" would have been fine. Looking at pictures & videos the Evo Shift looks alot like the Rhodium. I am not saying they are the same just saying they look alike.
If it does happen then great if not then that is fine too. Was just wondering if it is possible.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Remember, the processor, RAM, and ROM are the basics of what make up the "computer" part of the device. They are possibly manufactured by the same company (usually with parts imported from different companies), but things like instruction sets, etc could be and usually are very different. Also, the capacitive touch screen will create huge differences as well.
The 7600 is ARMv6, the 7630 is ARMv7 (those are the instruction sets I mentioned). They also have completely different cores, as well. Really, the only things they have in common are similar names and RISC structure.
Thank you! That is all I was looking for. I was hoping it was possible. I figured that would have been it but the that gets me is (I know nothing of writing software) it's not even possible of using the Evo Shift rom as a base. Again if it has alll to do with the processor, ram & rom I understand. But looking at computers for example you put windows xp on a 366mhz computer with 256mhz of ram & have a 500gb ide drive. I runs
Sorry for not finishing doing this off my Rhodium.
It would run slow but it runs. I know there is a big difference between a desk pc & a Smartphone. I am just saying people have rewrote OS's to work on different things. How about running Rhobuntu on the Rhodium? I haven't done it but it has been done.
I am not trying to start any kind of fight or problems was just wondering. I do thank you for the info. I am just learning about alot of stuff. I have flashed my phone & others many times. I am working on rooting & flashing a Samsung Moment now (trying to decided which rom to flash). Currently I am runniing NRGZ28 Energy rom (released 1/6/2010).
Thanks again.
If your question is whether or not a really good or group of really good coders could get it ported, the answer would be "most likely." The point of the answer, though, was it would have to start from ground up. There isn't a whole lot that could be taken from what's currently written for the Rhodium.
The Rhodium has run other software that was not meant for it. It is a matter of writing different drivers, not whether the hardware is there or not.
What's so awesome about the Evo Shift ROM that we don't already have? What is it about it that makes you want it ported?
Note: If you answer "this or that isn't working on with xdandroid" - it is because we don't have drivers for it. The hardware differences between the Evo Shift and Rhodium may be minor on paper, but in reality, they are going to be significantly different in terms of driver compatibility. Just look at all the hardware differences between various Rhodiums the xdandroid team has had to deal with that aren't visible to end users.
Things I would expect:
1) Completely different panel
2) Completely different GPS RPC API (Note: This is probably more dependent on the radio ROM than the hardware itself, but still - it would almost surely be significantly different.)
3) Probably a completely different wifi chipset
4) Probably a completely different bluetooth chipset
5) Completely different camera
I agree with your statement about holding out for a dual core evo shift as that would be the ideal next fone for me too
But as regards your query . . .evo shift is android right? And you do kno we havnt even perfected Basic Nand yet (good work being don't but not their yet) its not a case of ripping the rom changing a few things BAm! Flash it on and bobs your uncle its far from that Even if the device had the same specs. But regarding the specs you mentioned about the rhodium vs the evo. . .that is a pretty huge difference hardware wise even if you take overcloking into account(which will suk the battery dry)
For example take the huawei, iv heard it has close on identical specs to the rhodium family devices (528 processor) and it runs android froyo . . . . But that rom couldn't be just ripped and stuk on the touch pro. A port was made and after a lot of work it was got running (over on neopeek), But it wasn't Nand at all. It was run from sd card (which is the best method atm)
So in short could we get it running on tp2? Yes . . . .But it would NOT be off nand. And would it be worth the time and effort? No. . . . .because even after all the work I can almost garentee that it won't run as well as the huawei rom or other ported fone firmwares due to the fact of hardware differences
Related
The Director of HTC promises drivers for the Qualcomm phones!!
http://www.htcclassaction.org/responses.php#update_20080214_2
And for the dutch readers here, on tweakers .net, a dutch ICT website (in dutch ofcourse) 8-P says:
http://life.tweakers.net/nieuws/51901/htc-directeur-belooft-drivers-voor-geplaagde-toestellen.html
Guess we'll just have to wait and see, but this is good news.
The display drivers really are incredibly sucky on the Qualcomm devices.
I am starting to believe in miracles...
Do you think that they'll unlock gps and wifi??
Billokko said:
Do you think that they'll unlock gps and wifi??
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why should they.. they didn't promise GPS nor WIFI, only a state of the art peformance monster. Guessing that IF they would provide us with WIFI (and maybe GPS), that would be with WM6.1
They nly gonna optimise drivers for the processor and the gpu(ati) wich result in better performance in video's and scrolling and such.
Since they did'nt announce gps and wifi with the release of the dual, the wouldn make a driver for it.
gr. bram
So We have accelerated GPUs in our Niki's? without drivers though?
Kurt
rumble291 said:
So We have accelerated GPUs in our Niki's? without drivers though?
Kurt
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Most of the HTC product line with the Qualcomm MSM7200 have accelerated video processing. However it isn't used. In any of them. It was first noticed (I think) on the Kaiser.
Try an action game that uses the touch screen, and you'll see the problem. I put Tomb Raider on mine, and start her moving, alls fine. Try to touch the screen to turn the character, and the frame refresh rate drops through the floor.
They've used software graphics "acceleration", ie. the drivers do NOT make use of the hardware available on the phone.
rumble291 said:
So We have accelerated GPUs in our Niki's? without drivers though?
Kurt
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yup, the qualcomm msm 7200 is a all in one chip that features:
- 400mhz processor
- Gps
- Wifi
-Gpu(ati)
in our duals the only driver we have is for the processor, so we arent using the gps wifi and gpu.
HTC announced that the dual hasnt support for wifi and gps so we must live with that becouse we knew we hadn't.
BUT htc dit also announce in their press release of the dual that is would use the full capability's of the msm 7200(except for the gps and wifi).
Since the framerates drop when watching video's, playing games or scrolling in internet explorer, they dont use the gpu inside the chip but a sofware acceleration wich is generated by the cpu.
so instead of using the gpu they extra ballast the cpu for graphic acceleration.
Stupid htc.
gr. bram
Quentin Gran Torino said:
The Director of HTC promises drivers for the Qualcomm phones!!
http://www.htcclassaction.org/responses.php#update_20080214_2
And for the dutch readers here, on tweakers .net, a dutch ICT website (in dutch ofcourse) 8-P says:
http://life.tweakers.net/nieuws/51901/htc-directeur-belooft-drivers-voor-geplaagde-toestellen.html
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Seeing is believing....
I believe I read somewhere that there were issues with the HTC touchscreen drivers before the MSM7200/7500 devices. I have an Ipaq 2210 which runs tomb raider flawlessly without the use of a GPU.
That said, the processor wasn't designed to run alongside one.
For those interested the 2210 uses an Intel PXA255 processor clocked at 400Mhz. By my reckoning our Duals should out-perform this device simply due to advancement in the various technologies. But apparently this is not so :-(
Oh right I see. I bet they wont release an update for the GPS and WiFi though. Just hope that the thread about WiFi and GPS can get the WiFi and maybe GPS to work on our niki's would be great make a pretty dam good phone even better.
Kurt
when the phone was first announced and the prototype versions being showed htc said that there were was NO WIFI HARDWARE in the phone to keep the size of the phone down.
is this true or not...
has anyone actually opened the phone to see if this is true or not or is everyone just obsessed with whether or not it can be unlocked with software.
it would be a bit hard to unlock what is not there to begin with!
ahm ... if u looked into the wifi threads u'd see the pictures .......
i have seen the pictures but it was never advertised to have wifi.
and if it is as easy as a software fix it woudl have been sorted already.
correct?
not correct
well thank you for clearing that up in such detail for me.
bram_smulders said:
Yup, the qualcomm msm 7200 is a all in one chip that features:
- 400mhz processor
- Gps
- Wifi
-Gpu(ati)
in our duals the only driver we have is for the processor, so we arent using the gps wifi and gpu.
HTC announced that the dual hasnt support for wifi and gps so we must live with that becouse we knew we hadn't.
BUT htc dit also announce in their press release of the dual that is would use the full capability's of the msm 7200(except for the gps and wifi).
Since the framerates drop when watching video's, playing games or scrolling in internet explorer, they dont use the gpu inside the chip but a sofware acceleration wich is generated by the cpu.
so instead of using the gpu they extra ballast the cpu for graphic acceleration.
Stupid htc.
gr. bram
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is of course really irritating! I thought I would be able to watch videos on my device but in fact it is useless for this! As it would be such an easy fix I can't see why HTC wouldn't do this. If they seriously think I'll buy a new HTC then they are seriously mistaken! By the time my Touch Dual is paid off on my plan then the Apple Iphone 3G will hopefully be available here in Sweden!
perhaps all this is due to the quallcomm/widcomm suit ??
hass said:
This is of course really irritating! I thought I would be able to watch videos on my device but in fact it is useless for this!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You can view movies in touch dual! You just have to reduce the size of the video to qvga (320x240) which is the size of the touch screen. If you try to see a "normal" movie in the touch, it will have to render a lot of useless pixels which you wont see in the tiny screen, and that makes it slower. I used to watch movies all the time in my prophet (200mhz) with no problem at all, and great quality!
Hello, I saw a some information on a Norwegian site about the new HTC Dream, with a new processor, the MSM7201A, same as the touch pro.
If so, when somebody dumps a the andriod for the Dream, isn't that fearly "easy" to port, since they have the same processor?
Link to source (translated with google)
"
Proper processing
Like most newer advanced smart phones, Dream has been a processor with high-Clock. 528 MHz processor that provides the type of chipset Qualcomm MSM7201A. This is the same chipset that's in the HTC Touch Pro and Touch HD. ADP1 has 192 MB of memory available to the user.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Can somebody tell me if I'm stupid or confire the facts?
Fraction
Even though it has the same processor, the hardware is still different, so while it's fairly easy, you still need to have that in mind when trying to port/make drivers work.
Ginormous thread regarding this topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402002
Mods: please close...
Hi!
I was just wondering if anyone here has some information about wether the Hero has drivers for the gfx chip or not? Have HTC AGAIN just left out the drivers so that the CPU is handling all the work? If so, are there any chance that some other devices out there with the same hardware AND the drivers in place, could be used to fuel our beloved Hero?
I personaly don't think the Hero has support for 3D in hardware (through the gfx chip) as it is today. That's why it is slightly sluggish in operation compared to some other devices out there.
fluke2k said:
Hi!
I was just wondering if anyone here has some information about wether the Hero has drivers for the gfx chip or not? Have HTC AGAIN just left out the drivers so that the CPU is handling all the work? If so, are there any chance that some other devices out there with the same hardware AND the drivers in place, could be used to fuel our beloved Hero?
I personaly don't think the Hero has support for 3D in hardware (through the gfx chip) as it is today. That's why it is slightly sluggish in operation compared to some other devices out there.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It is 3D accelerated. If in doubt, download Neocore from the Market which is a Qualcomm demo of the 3D acceleration on the MSM7200A that powers the Hero. Alternatively, try Armadillo Roll which is a full game.
Regards,
Dave
Thanks for your reply Dave..
Altough I couldn't find the neocore on the market, I've seen a youtube video of it.
So it looks like the gfx chip is used and for that I am releived
BUT I have to say that this is also possible with just a CPU doing all the calculation in software, although I don't think our Hero's CPU could do that this fast, so I'm convinced
I can't seem to find neocore in the market. (I even used the barcode). Is this exclusive to some markets?
Looks like it has been removed for some reason, but it can only have been fairly recently as I installed it back in September. Search for Armadillo Roll instead as it is a full game and is written by the same company that wrote the Neocore demo.
I also notice that if you search RapidShare for NEOCORE.APK, it comes up, but I've no idea if it is real or not. I'd be inclined to make a Nandroid backup before trying to install it just in case.
Regards,
Dave
Hi,
I know that the Iphone 3GS has ARM 600 MHz processor and the HERO has a Qualcomm MSM7200A 528 Mhz process.
But what really is the difference between them??
Why don't we have more games running on android as apple for Iphone?
If we had iphone games on android from the best one s would it work on HERO?
I know that Iphone s games are more developped cause apple is older but the games for android are so rubbish for most of them.
In fact, I had two questions in one
1. processor differences hero VS Iphone 3GS
2. available and quality games differences ANDROID (Hero) VS Apple (Iphone 3GS)
THX A LOT GUYZ!
Hi there. I too am annoyed at the lack of development for games for Android. It is the fault of Google and Android handset manufacturers.
However it mostly comes down to this:-
1. Very limited internal memory to install apps on (512mb etc)
Some of the games on the iPhone are quite big. A couple of 100mbs. 1-3 games at that size will mean you have no room for other apps on Android and you will see 'low memory' all day long.
At the moment most people use Apps2SD but as this is an unofficial way no 'big' games developer is going to see this as a base for creating a game.
However new phones coming out have a few gigabytes of internal memory so hopefully we can get things moving.
2. GPU's or lack of one. (Proper)
Hopefully with Android taking off as it is, we won't have to wait long to more Android devices with a GPU (e.g. PowerVR SGX .. .Like the iPhone has) thus enabling proper OpenGL ES 2.0 support. The Milestone has one. Nice !
I want proper 3D games like the iPhone has. So until we get proper GPU's in our Android devices we are still lagging behind in some ways to the iPhone.
The Motorola Droid’s GPU, a PowerVR SGX 530 is similar to that of the iPhone 3GS yet with no proper application storage capability it seems quite a waste and one that will make sure the Motorola Droid isn’t an iPhone Killer.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Kind of sums my thoughts up really... We need at least 8GB internal memory as standard (My N95 had this 4 years back). So 32GB should be the norm. That is why we don't have iPhone type games & as apps2sd is unofficial people won't make games like the iPhone for Android.
Also the Milestone is relatively new compared to the iPhone 3GS yet the 3GS has a PowerVR SGX535 GPU whereas the Milestone has an older PowerVR SGX530 GPU. oMg !!!11!!!1
That's pretty poor too.
As much as I hate to say it there are some features of the iPhone that would not go a miss on an Android device.
Also we need a music equaliser !!1!1 Argghhh
Otherwise I love my Android phone. Hero ftw.
The MSM7200 processor in the Hero is based on the earlier ARM11 architecture whilst the processor in the 3GS is a Samsung SoC based on the ARM Cortex A8 architecture. Clock for clock, the Cortex A8 architecture is a fair bit faster than the ARM11 architecture.
Both chips have GPUs for 3D acceleration, but again the 3GS's chip is a more capable unit. In the Qualcomm range, the Snapdragon is closer to the 3GS's chip, as it is also a Cortex A8 core, and has a better GPU.
Also, another reason why iPhone games are "better" than Android games is because all iPhone games are native applications, whereas all Android games are interpreted Java - although the NDK allows certain parts of an Android application to be written in native code, and in the latest NDK this includes the OpenGL ES subsystem.
Regards,
Dave
jUsT2eXy said:
We need at least 8GB internal memory as standard (My N95 had this 4 years back).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
the N95 8Gb's internal storage is different than main storage, that was pretty much equal to having an SD card inside the phone you couldn't change
the external storage was slow and the internal storage was fast enough not to lag but there was very little of it but you could store things on the 8gb memory chip it'd just be slow as all hell
I know because I currently still run that phone along with my Hero
THX all
SO now my question is : What is the evolution part for Android to concurrence Iphone in the future?
Which base Android is "fighting" on VS android with?
Happy to be french but my English might me incorrect, sorry!
Hi all,
I have been developing a small android app which is sort of a reader for results coming from a desktop application. Some of these results are in the shape of a 3-dimensional structure made of a number of basic geometries, which I have been generating using a library which I coded in C++ using OpenSceneGraph and compiled with NDK. I have tested my app on both my HTC 3D EVO (before on stock rom, then on a few gingerbread custom ROMS and finally on a few ICS roms too) and also on a crappy 7'' chinese tablet which I bought really cheap a while ago. This tablet has a pretty basic AllWinnerTech A10 single core 1GHz processor, 512 Mb RAM and a Mali 400 GPU. So nothing fancy at all. However in all my tests I get about 2 to 3 times as many FPS from the tablet compared to the EVO. The structure can be moved, zoomed in and out much more smoothly. Remarkably so!
Am I missing something obvious here? Is there a "turn on graphics acceleration, you idiot!" button which I have not found yet? I mean, just in terms of specs I would have expected the EVO to run circles around that tablet.
Has anyone got any idea?
Cheers.
Have you tried forcing HW acceleration threw your build prop to see if makes a difference on your setup??
#Root-Hack_Mod*Always\
debug.sf.hw = 1 already. anything else in the build.prop file that may improve this? Could it be a drivers issue, or is it just me expecting more that I should from this phone?
Are you hitting the frame limit cap ?
what would the value of this cap be? I barely go above 15-20fps on the smallest structures. anyway, don't get me wrong: I can live with it.
It was just curiosity, because I expected much better performance from the EVO. and so I was wondering where/what is the bottle neck
From what I understand HTC shipped the EVO 3D with terrible drivers, I think that they fixed this problem with the ICS update. With these drivers the Adreno 220 is able to surpass the Mali 400 mp4 (galaxy s2 version) in some situations.