Hello DuuDe's! 'Sup!?
I know, every device(CellPhone) is best at one department, but i wanna Know: (3 Questions)
1-Wich is the best Device With 512mb of RAM?
2-Wich is the best Device With 768mb of RAM?
3-Wich is the best Device With 1024mb of RAM?
I wanna know all these 3 segments.
The device im seeking, is one that No matter what App or Game i "Trow" to it, it execute it Flawlessly.
And I know, i cant install like 300k apps because that loads the device and lags it, but i know the Ext2/3/4 partition Trick
NOTE: Really dont care too much if its LTE enable or not. If price difference is considerable for just Having LTE i may discard it... All because in my country LTE will arrive in 2016 if not latter :'(
Anyway, if you guys help me with that, I Will be Thankfully
Cheers!
LG Optimus Speed, HTC Sensation, Samsung Galaxy S2
I'd definitely say, the best smartphone (also because it has 1GB RAM) is the Galaxy S2 which runs super smooth and should handle every apps flawlessly (just for some Tegra games you need to install chainfire but the 1.2GHz Dual Core Chip plus Hardware acceleration is awesome).
The number of devices with 768MB RAM isn't that big either, I'd choose the HTC Sensation which also has a 1.2 GHz dual core processor and nice screen and built quality, maybe runs a tiny bit worse that the S2 but it is definitely a great phone which also probably handles apps and games without problems.
The number of devices with 512 MB RAM is endless and the qualities of these devices depend on many things.
They usually handle applications and games (also 3d ones) as they are menu to be- all which is more a matter of the used processor. The best chip in a 512MB RAM phone is in the LG Optimus speed I think (Nvidia Tegra2, dual core) which runs very nice, also with high end Tegra optimized 3d games, and the OS will be even faster if you install CM7. The speed is pretty cheap for a dual core phone btw.
Hope this helps.
Arjoma said:
I'd definitely say, the best smartphone (also because it has 1GB RAM) is the Galaxy S2 which runs super smooth and should handle every apps flawlessly (just for some Tegra games you need to install chainfire but the 1.2GHz Dual Core Chip plus Hardware acceleration is awesome).
The number of devices with 768MB RAM isn't that big either, I'd choose the HTC Sensation which also has a 1.2 GHz dual core processor and nice screen and built quality, maybe runs a tiny bit worse that the S2 but it is definitely a great phone which also probably handles apps and games without problems.
The number of devices with 512 MB RAM is endless and the qualities of these devices depend on many things.
They usually handle applications and games (also 3d ones) as they are menu to be- all which is more a matter of the used processor. The best chip in a 512MB RAM phone is in the LG Optimus speed I think (Nvidia Tegra2, dual core) which runs very nice, also with high end Tegra optimized 3d games, and the OS will be even faster if you install CM7. The speed is pretty cheap for a dual core phone btw.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks men, i see more clear now.
The HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio, its worth to expect the release of it?
What do you say? Should i spect 2012 for buy the phone?
All those 3 options, or any Dual-Core phone will last 2 year flawless on executing Apps?
I ask because, i see how the phone world is evolving... Like Gaming on PC, in 6 month u cant play the last games... I don't want giving 500/600 and in 1 year or less i have to change it, cuz lag/Don't Execute
2 years is a very long time
It's impossible to pretend how the whole thing will develop in two years, it's just certain that we will at least have Quadcore chips then (Nvidia's quadcore processor will probably come in the first quarter of 2012 and the devices a little later). And I'm pretty sure that there will be games optimized for this Nvidia chipset which may not run anywhere else- like it's today with the Tegra2. But the number of those games is relatively small (at least now) and most current 3d games with nice graphics van be played on current (or even >1 year old 1GHz) phones, look at the SE Xperia play!
The Sensation XE is no bad choice (1.5GHz Dual Core Snapdragon, 768MB of RAM, but that isn't that hugely important for the choice of games). If you can get it for a good price you won't buy a bad phone with a powerful processor- although I think I'd still prefer the Galaxy S2.
I really can't guarantee that a phone you but today will do everything a new phone maybe be able to do in two years, I'm even sure that a 2013/2014 device will be able to handle things a 2011 phone won't but you shouldn't be too sad about that. The device will still run well in two years and it will probably run 97% of all available games- but I still can't look into the future.
I don't know how long you want to wait with the purchase of your next phone, in a few months there will be certainly better phones- e.g. the next Nexus will be unveiled in some days, not sure what to expect from it, also the price of current flagships will drop.
What might be great for you if you love gaming would be a successor to the Xperia Play but I haven't heard anything about it yet.
-The Tegra 3 SoC (System on a chip) is a combo of a microprocessor, a memory controller, an audio processor, a video encoder and a graphics renderer. It's designed and manufactured by Nvidia, world leader of graphics computing, making it's first appearance in the Asus Transformer Prime.
-The Tegra 3 SoC has 5 physical cores, but limited to performance of quad-cores. The 5th, lower power core, is activated only when the device is idle or handling low tasks, such as syncing and e-mail checking. So, power consumption is always kept to minimum when performance of the quad-core is not needed, ensuring longer battery life. Once you run a normal or higher-demanding task on the tablet, the 5th core shuts off automatically before the 4 main cores are activated. This is all the bios of the chip and doesn't require the user or the developer to change anything to use the Android OS and application this way. Android OS already has a the best support for multi-tasking and is multi-threaded friendly compared to competing operating systems in the market. So, this should be good news of the Asus Transformer Prime to-be users soon.
-The GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) in the Tegra 3 Soc has 12 shaders. But, because Nvidia has not followed a unified-shader architecture in this ARM SoC like they've been doing in their PC and MAC discrete graphics cards, 8 of those 12 shaders are reserved for pixel work and the remaining 4 are for vertex. Maybe Nvidia will use unified-shader architecture in the next generation Tegra SoC'es, when the ARM-based devices are ready for it. The PowerVR MP2 GPU in the iPad 2 has more raw power than the Tegra 3 GPU (Actually, it's the only one thing I personally like about the iPad 2, it's GPU!), but the Tegra 3 Geforce (the commercial name Nvidia uses for their gaming graphics processors) should give a solid 3D performance in games, especially the officially supported games. Nvidia has long history in 3D gaming and been using it's solid connections with game developers to bring higher quality gaming to Android, like what we've seen with Tegra 2 SoC capabilities in games listed in the TegraZone Android app. Add to that, games are not just GPU bound, Tegra 3's quad-cores and 1GB system RAM (iPad has 512MB) will pump up gaming qualities for sure and the pixel density of 149ppi displays crisper images than the 132ppi of the iPad 2. Once the Asus Prime is released, it can be officially considered the highest performing Android device in the world, especially 3D gaming.
Well, I thought I'd have more to type, I paused for a long time and could not think of anything to add. I only wanted to share few things I know about the Tegra 3. I have high interest in computer graphics/processors and been following the Tegra project since 2008.
Some of the Asus Prime to-be-owners doesn't know or care that much about technical details of the CPU in the device and I thought of sharing with them.
Thanks and gold luck.
Thanks for the info. Very interesting
As I understand it, the use of the lower power 5th core has decreased battery consumption by over 60% when compared to the earlier 2 core design. I am not sure how they are measuring consumption and the task load.
I am most exited about the tablet because of the tegra 3.
In smartphones I find the idea of putting more than one core quite rubbish.
It is not the best solution for a tablet or any other mobile device too. I would highly appreciate a well programmed software over overpowered hardware.
Yet the tegra has a nice concept.
I think most of the time I won't use more than that 5th core. I mean it is even powerful enough to play HD video.
I will primarily use apps that display text and images. Like the browser who is said to utilize 4 cores. But I am sure only because of the crappy programming.
So if people finally come to their minds and start optimizing their apps we will have one quite powerful core and 4 in backup for REAL needs. Seems like an investment in the future for me.
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Straight from Wikipedia:
Tegra 3 (Kal-El) series
Processor: quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 MPCore, up to 1.4 GHz single-core mode and 1.3 GHz multi-core mode
12-Core Nvidia GPU with support for 3D stereo
Ultra low power GPU mode
40 nm process by TSMC
Video output up to 2560×1600
NEON vector instruction set
1080p MPEG-4 AVC/h.264 40 Mbps High-Profile, VC1-AP and DivX 5/6 video decode[18]
The Kal-El chip (CPU and GPU) is to be about 5 times faster than Tegra 2[19]
Estimated release date is now to be Q4 2011 for tablets and Q1 2012 for smartphones, after being set back from Nvidia's prior estimated release dates of Q2 2011,[20] then August 2011,[21] then October 2011[22]
The Tegra 3 is functionally a quad-core processor, but includes a fifth "companion" core. All cores are Cortex-A9s, but the companion core is manufactured with a special low power silicon process. This means it uses less power at low clock rates, but more at higher rates; hence it is limited to 500 MHz. There is also special logic to allow running state to be quickly transferred between the companion core and one of the normal cores. The goal is for a mobile phone or tablet to be able to power down all the normal cores and run on only the companion core, using comparatively little power, during standby mode or when otherwise using little CPU. According to Nvidia, this includes playing music or even video content.[23]
Tegra 3 officially released on November 9, 2011[/LEFT][/CENTER][/FONT]
Tegra 2's maximum ram limit was 1GB. Tegra 3's could be 2GB.
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Tegra 2's maximum ram limit was 1GB. Tegra 3's could be 2GB.
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The rumor mill is churning out some specs on an upcoming Lenovo tablet with some funky specs, like 2GB DD3....so it's possible. However, the same leak/article also says its chip is clocked at 1.6 Ghz which is quite a bit out of spec, so I would take it with a usual:
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jerrykur said:
As I understand it, the use of the lower power 5th core has decreased battery consumption by over 60% when compared to the earlier 2 core design. I am not sure how they are measuring consumption and the task load.
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You can read the White Papers on the Tegra 3 over on Nvidia's website. But the chip has a controller built into the chip that activates either the 4 cores, or the 1 core based on power demand of a given processing activity.
The quad vs single core are made out of different silicone materials, but same design structure in order to maximize the energy efficiency at the performance curve. The difference of Materials is more efficient at different power curves. So the 5th core is very efficient at low processing levels where it is actively being used.
It's pretty cool stuff
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The rumor mill is churning out some specs on an upcoming Lenovo tablet with some funky specs, like 2GB DD3....so it's possible. However, the same leak/article also says its chip is clocked at 1.6 Ghz which is quite a bit out of spec, so I would take it with a usual:
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*Correction: Tegra 3 supports DDR2 AND DDR3. The original Transformer had 1GB of DDR2 @ 667Mhz. The Prime has 1GB of LPDDR2 @ 1066Mhz, a considerable bump in speed. Also, Tegra 3 supports up to DDR3 @ 1500Mhz!
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I think the only compatible RAM would be DDR2. Clock speeds don't matter, as the Tegra 3 can be OC'd to 2Ghz no problem.
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I'm sure it can, hopefully they increase the battery capacity to compensate for increased power use. As far as the memory, Nvidia's site on Tegra 3 lists DDR3 (though its still running on a 32-bit bus which may or may not be an issue with 3d games), upto 2GB. However, every bit of spec info on the Prime I can find lists DDR2...so I don't know.
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I'm sure it can, hopefully they increase the battery capacity to compensate for increased power use. As far as the memory, Nvidia's site on Tegra 3 lists DDR3 (though its still running on a 32-bit bus which may or may not be an issue with 3d games), upto 2GB. However, every bit of spec info on the Prime I can find lists DDR2...so I don't know.
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The Prime's RAM speed is considerably faster than the TF101.
If it does have room to expand, could we expand or upgrade the RAM?
doeboy1984 said:
If it does have room to expand, could we expand or upgrade the RAM?
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Judging by the pictures, it doesn't look like the RAM will be removable or upgradeable (the RAM is the Elpida chip right next to the processor).
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The Prime's RAM speed is considerably faster than the TF101.
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I never said it wasn't.
What I said is that both Tegra 2 and now Tegra 3 have a single 32-bit wide memory interface when compared to the two on the A5,Exynos,Qualcom, and OMAP4 chips. What that means is that theoretically it will have lower bandwidth which may cause problems with upcoming games, especially considering that you now have to feed extra cores and a beefier GPU. Now, whether or not it will actually be an issue...we will have to see.
Sad that the SGX543MP2 in the Ipad2 is still faster than the Tegra3's GPU. Apple is always ahead of the curve.. Just when Android devices started becoming as fast as the iPad1.. The iPad2 was released and remains to have one of the strongest SOCs out in the field.
Even for pure CPU benches.. the 1ghz dualcore A5 smokes most chips running faster clocks in dual core configs.
Regardless, this is still the most powerful Android device to date. Just disappointed that Nvidia, one of the king of GPU makers can't even compete with PowerVR.. a much smaller company with a lot less money.
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Sad that the SGX543MP2 in the Ipad2 is still faster than the Tegra3's GPU. Apple is always ahead of the curve.. Just when Android devices started becoming as fast as the iPad1.. The iPad2 was released and remains to have one of the strongest SOCs out in the field.
Even for pure CPU benches.. the 1ghz dualcore A5 smokes most chips running faster clocks in dual core configs.
Regardless, this is still the most powerful Android device to date. Just disappointed that Nvidia, one of the king of GPU makers can't even compete with PowerVR.. a much smaller company with a lot less money.
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I would have to agree with you that Nvidia dropped the ball on their new GPU, at least on paper.
However, it's not as simple as having "omg wtf i > you" hardware that's the source of the performance. What Apple really has going for them is uniformity of hardware/software. Apple software is designed to work on very specific and strictly controlled hardware setup which allows for an incredible level of optimizations of software. This "closed loop" if software/hardware is what really drives the performance of the iProducts. Simply put, probably way over-simplified, but it let's them do more with less.
Diversion said:
Sad that the SGX543MP2 in the Ipad2 is still faster than the Tegra3's GPU. Apple is always ahead of the curve.. Just when Android devices started becoming as fast as the iPad1.. The iPad2 was released and remains to have one of the strongest SOCs out in the field.
Even for pure CPU benches.. the 1ghz dualcore A5 smokes most chips running faster clocks in dual core configs.
Regardless, this is still the most powerful Android device to date. Just disappointed that Nvidia, one of the king of GPU makers can't even compete with PowerVR.. a much smaller company with a lot less money.
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Very good point. Also apple has the apps n games that showcase and utilize all this extra power. Even my original iPad has apps/games that I haven't seen Android dual core equivalents of. I love my iPad but I also own Atix dual core Tegra 2 phone. I know the open sourced Android will win out in the end.
I came across a good comment in the lenovo specs link that a member here posted in this thread.
"Google and NVidia need to seriously subsidize 3rd party app development to show ANY value and utility over iPad. Apple won't rest on its laurels as their GPU performance on the A5 is already ahead with games and APPs to prove it".
What do you all think about this? Not trying to thread jack as I see it's relevant to this thread also. What apps/games does Android have up it's sleeve to take advantage of this new Tegra3? Majority of Android apps/games don't even take advantage of tegra2 and similar SOC yet. Are we going to have all this extra power for a while without it never really being used to it's potential. Android needs some hardcore apps n games. iPad has all the b.s. Stuff also BUT has very hardcore apps n games also to use it to close to full potential. IMO my iPad 1 jail broken still trumps most of these Tegra 2 tablets out now. Not because of hardware specs, but because of the quality of apps n games I have. I've noticed Android is finally starting to get more hardcore games like ShadowGun, game loft games, etc.. I can't over clock or customize my iPad as extensively as Android but the software/apps/games I have are great. No, I don't want an ipad2 or ipad3. I want an Android tablet now because of more potential with it. Just like with anything in life, potential doesn't mean sh$& if it's not utilized and made a reality.
I was a windows mobile person first. Then I experienced dual booting with XDAndroid on my tilt 2, I loved it. Then I knew I wanted a real android phone or tablet. First Android tablet I owned, for only a day, was the Archos7IT. It was cool but returned it since it couldn't connect to my WMwifirouter, which uses ad-hoc network. So I researched n finally settled on taking a chance with the apple iPad. I use to be an apple hater to the max..lol. My iPad changed all of that. I still hate the closed system of apple but I had to admit, the iPad worked great for what I needed and wanted to do. This iPad, I'm writing this post on now, still works flawlessly after almost 2 years and it's specs are nowhere compared to iPad 2 or all these new dual core tablets out. I'm doing amazing stuff with only 256mb of ram..SMH I hated having to hook iPad up to iTunes for everything like music n videos. So I jail broke and got Ifiles, which is basically a very detailed root file explorer. I also have the USB n SD card adapter. So now I could put my content on my iPad myself without needing to be chained to iTunes. iTunes only good for software updates. I'm still on 4.2.1 jail broken firmware on iPad. Never bothered or really wanted to upgrade to the new IOS 5.01 out now. With all my jailbreak mods/tweaks, I've been doing most new stuff people are now being able to do. All apple did was implement jailbreak tweaks into their OS, for the most part.
Sorry for the long rant. I'm just excited on getting new Prime tegra3 tablet. I just hope the apps/games start rolling out fast that really take advantage of this power. And I don't just mean tegrazone stuff..lol. Android developers going to have to really step their game up once these new quad cores come out. Really even now with dual cores also. I'm a fan of technology in general. Competition only makes things better. Android is starting to overtake apple in sales or similar categories. Only thing is Android hasn't gotten on par with apple quality apps yet. Like the iPad tablet only apps are very numerous. Lots are b.s. But tons are very great also. I'm just hoping Amdroid tablet only apps will be same quality at least or better. I'm not looking to get new quad core tablet to play angry birds or other kiddy type games. I'm into productivity, media apps, and hardcore games, like Rage HD, NOVA2, Modern Combat 3, Order n Chaos, InfinityBlade, ShadowGun, etc.. All of which I have and more on my almost 2 year old iPad 1.
Asus, with being the first manufacturer to come out with quad core tablet and super IPS + display, might just be the last push needed to get things really rolling for Android, as far as high quality software amd tablet optimized OS goes. Can't wait to see how this plays out .
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RussianMenace said:
I would have to agree with you that Nvidia dropped the ball on their new GPU, at least on paper.
However, it's not as simple as having "omg wtf i > you" hardware that's the source of the performance. What Apple really has going for them is uniformity of hardware/software. Apple software is designed to work on very specific and strictly controlled hardware setup which allows for an incredible level of optimizations of software. This "closed loop" if software/hardware is what really drives the performance of the iProducts. Simply put, probably way over-simplified, but it let's them do more with less.
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Great point, just as I was saying basically in my long post..lol
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You can read the White Papers on the Tegra 3 over on Nvidia's website. But the chip has a controller built into the chip that activates either the 4 cores, or the 1 core based on power demand of a given processing activity.
The quad vs single core are made out of different silicone materials, but same design structure in order to maximize the energy efficiency at the performance curve. The difference of Materials is more efficient at different power curves. So the 5th core is very efficient at low processing levels where it is actively being used.
It's pretty cool stuff
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That is correct. Actually, the "5th" core is licensed with ARM A7 instructions set, the quads are A9.
RussianMenace said:
I would have to agree with you that Nvidia dropped the ball on their new GPU, at least on paper.
However, it's not as simple as having "omg wtf i > you" hardware that's the source of the performance. What Apple really has going for them is uniformity of hardware/software. Apple software is designed to work on very specific and strictly controlled hardware setup which allows for an incredible level of optimizations of software. This "closed loop" if software/hardware is what really drives the performance of the iProducts. Simply put, probably way over-simplified, but it let's them do more with less.
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Again, I agree. Just like saying why Xbox360 and PS3 consoles can still push high quality graphics compared to a new high-end PC? Unity of hardware plays a big role there.
I have a $4000 custom PC. Sometimes I see my brother play the same games on his $250 Playstation 3 with performance and graphics very similar to my PC.
CyberPunk7t9 said:
I have a $4000 custom PC. Sometimes I see my brother play the same games on his $250 Playstation 3 with performance and graphics very similar to my PC.
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That's because these days, most PC games are console ports.
GPU specs don't matter. The iPad has more and better games than Android tabs, and that won't change for the (1-yr) lifespan of the Teg3. Not to be a downer, but it's just reality.
The Prime is better at certain things. HDMI-out and USB host (NTFS) support makes it a pretty good HTPC, for one. But I wouldn't get into a pissing contest over games--unless of course you're talking about emus.
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GPU specs don't matter. The iPad has more and better games than Android tabs, and that won't change for the (1-yr) lifespan of the Teg3. Not to be a downer, but it's just reality.
The Prime is better at certain things. HDMI-out and USB host (NTFS) support makes it a pretty good HTPC, for one. But I wouldn't get into a pissing contest over games--unless of course you're talking about emus.
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Is that true? NTFS support? Are you sure? Can you link me to a spec for that? If so then I can transfer files from my SD to an external NTFS without using Windows! That would be great for trips when I need to dump digital pics.
I dont understand why company's are concentrating on processor amount,dual ,quad? ITS RAM that is so important, put 2 gigs in a dual core phone it will fly! any comments by devs on this would really help thank you
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Thanx can you elaborate? trying to learn
2gigs on dual core would fly, but 2gigs on quad core would fly much much faster...
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RAM isn't overly important in terms of speed. CPU is extremely important. Basically RAM just holds files that will be needed in the immediate future (or have been used very recently) to reduce read times on those files when they are needed. When it comes to actually running code, that is pretty much purely down to CPU speed. 1GB RAM is plenty to store a few apps and the background OS processes. When more is needed, older apps are closed (by "older apps" I mean ones used least recently). Otherwise, recently used apps are kept in RAM for quick switching. Unless you are trying to multitask in dozens of apps simultaneously, 1GB of RAM should be plenty for a phone today.
Both RAM and CPU has equal aspects on any device.
Ever tried playing GTA 4 on a PC with 1GB Ram and Quadcore CPU or on 4GB RAM with a SingleCore CPU...?
Both Ram and Cpu are important in terms of increasing speed.
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The way I have always viewed ram is this; no, more ram than needed won't make your device faster, but it sure will make it slower if you don't have enough!
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DD-Ripper said:
Both RAM and CPU has equal aspects on any device.
Ever tried playing GTA 4 on a PC with 1GB Ram and Quadcore CPU or on 4GB RAM with a SingleCore CPU...?
Both Ram and Cpu are important in terms of increasing speed.
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Awesome answer!! Thank you
Just like i thought!!!
"""""Under the hood, the Samsung Galaxy S III from Verizon Wireless is the same as the other US models. It ships with a dual core 1.5GHz processor and 2GB of RAM, which is meant to compensate for the lack of a quad-core processor that is found in the international version of the handset.""""""
JUST LIKE I THOUGHT!!! and above quote is from a major website!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol :victory::victory::victory:
More than 1gb of ram isn't needed. If you are on ics or jb, then you need a good gpu. If you are on froyo or gb, then you need a good CPU since they aren't hw accelerated.
DD-Ripper said:
Both RAM and CPU has equal aspects on any device.
Ever tried playing GTA 4 on a PC with 1GB Ram and Quadcore CPU or on 4GB RAM with a SingleCore CPU...?
Both Ram and Cpu are important in terms of increasing speed.
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Comparing PC with Android is a lil'bit out of the rails here. Even with one core and enough GPU combined with 4GB RAM should be enough to enjoy many things. More core's is good for multitasking etc. But when you think how many apps etc are optimized for those gazillion cores......
Crwolv said:
I dont understand why company's are concentrating on processor amount,dual ,quad? ITS RAM that is so important, put 2 gigs in a dual core phone it will fly! any comments by devs on this would really help thank you
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Its simple. Big RAM can hold more running apps or a single big app (more bunch of codes). In any case, there'd be high demand of processing. So, manufacturers can only add more RAM when they ensure that they have enough processing speed for better experience.
You can say, we have quad-core CPUs now, why can't we add more RAM like we do in PCs?
Well, the answer: Don't go for specs. Smartphone CPUs/GPUs aren't powerful like Desktop ones (despite same specs). There's power and heat issues, in fact.
Plus, Android and its apps are unable to use multiple cores with high efficiency (Intel advocates this; that's why it launched powerful smartphone CPU with 1 core). So, quad-core performs poorer than single/double core performance on PCs.
It limits the lifetime of a device since it cannot be upgraded and maybe manufacturers like that. RAM usually seems to be the limiting factor on phones running future versions of android. Its too bad it can't be upgraded like a desktop/laptop but thats the cost of fitting all of this hardware into a tiny phone.
spunker88 said:
It limits the lifetime of a device since it cannot be upgraded and maybe manufacturers like that. RAM usually seems to be the limiting factor on phones running future versions of android. Its too bad it can't be upgraded like a desktop/laptop but thats the cost of fitting all of this hardware into a tiny phone.
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AGREED! MANY DIFFERENT EXPLANATIONS! glad i asked ,all these helped. more ram would help but only to an extent. example if my wifes former htc design had a gig of ram it wouldn't have lagged so much running a single core 1.2 gig processor. FACT,so htc should have done it,it ran great till it attempted to multitask!:good:
Wasn't it stated during the I/O event that JB in general used less RAM and optimized apps better than the previous OS's so phones wouldn't need as much RAM as before?
It would be nice if JB or ICS had a timeout option for apps open more than a certain amount of time and would shut down automatically therein freeing more RAM. Obviously, it could be turned off or off depending on the user. Or if you could specify certain apps to close after an allotted amount of time if unused. Ex. Play store, calculator, calendar, SMS don't always need to stay on the page you left when you switched apps
so will the gnex be a high end phone as in having desktop convergence? according to their website, for it to be a high end phone, it needs to have a quadcore a9 processor. otherwise it fulfills every other aspect. this phone has a dualcore a9 processor, so will there be desktop convergence. I really hope there will be I want to try it out.
Well from what I saw, every video demo etc. Was specifically the galaxy nexus. At one point I did see "a" phone connected using the desktop feature. Each phone I saw using the Ubuntu mobile has been the nexus.
Edit : I've also heard the specs released aren't final and just a figure for certain phones.
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vwade79 said:
so will the gnex be a high end phone as in having desktop convergence? according to their website, for it to be a high end phone, it needs to have a quadcore a9 processor. otherwise it fulfills every other aspect. this phone has a dualcore a9 processor, so will there be desktop convergence. I really hope there will be I want to try it out.
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the entry specs are
1Ghz Cortex A9
512MB – 1GB
4-8GB eMMC + SD
Multi-touch
hig end specs are
Quad-core A9 or Intel Atom
Min 1GB
Min 32GB eMMC + SD
Multi-touch
so i think The Galaxy Nexus is just a "normal" UbuntuPhone device
owain94 said:
the entry specs are
1Ghz Cortex A9
512MB – 1GB
4-8GB eMMC + SD
Multi-touch
hig end specs are
Quad-core A9 or Intel Atom
Min 1GB
Min 32GB eMMC + SD
Multi-touch
so i think The Galaxy Nexus is just a "normal" UbuntuPhone device
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that's OEM specs, which doesn't mean much for download/install version potentially. The values of which would have been decided are best to give the full desktop experience - including downloading alot of desktop apps. Time will tell, but I suspect desktop version will run perfectly on GNEX, or any other internal memory only phone - it's just a matter of keeping your eye on space available when you are installing Ubuntu native apps.
I'm also wondering if the Desktop Feature will simply be disabled on devices with lower than recommended specs. I have seen some Ubuntu on Android videos using a Motorolla Atrix II which has exactly the same hardware as the GNex. It ran the desktop and even Ubuntu TV pretty good considering it was early in development (1 year ago) and running ontop of Android with bridges to access the phone settings and apps.