I dont understand why company's are concentrating on processor amount,dual ,quad? ITS RAM that is so important, put 2 gigs in a dual core phone it will fly! any comments by devs on this would really help thank you
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Thanx can you elaborate? trying to learn
2gigs on dual core would fly, but 2gigs on quad core would fly much much faster...
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RAM isn't overly important in terms of speed. CPU is extremely important. Basically RAM just holds files that will be needed in the immediate future (or have been used very recently) to reduce read times on those files when they are needed. When it comes to actually running code, that is pretty much purely down to CPU speed. 1GB RAM is plenty to store a few apps and the background OS processes. When more is needed, older apps are closed (by "older apps" I mean ones used least recently). Otherwise, recently used apps are kept in RAM for quick switching. Unless you are trying to multitask in dozens of apps simultaneously, 1GB of RAM should be plenty for a phone today.
Both RAM and CPU has equal aspects on any device.
Ever tried playing GTA 4 on a PC with 1GB Ram and Quadcore CPU or on 4GB RAM with a SingleCore CPU...?
Both Ram and Cpu are important in terms of increasing speed.
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The way I have always viewed ram is this; no, more ram than needed won't make your device faster, but it sure will make it slower if you don't have enough!
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Both RAM and CPU has equal aspects on any device.
Ever tried playing GTA 4 on a PC with 1GB Ram and Quadcore CPU or on 4GB RAM with a SingleCore CPU...?
Both Ram and Cpu are important in terms of increasing speed.
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Awesome answer!! Thank you
Just like i thought!!!
"""""Under the hood, the Samsung Galaxy S III from Verizon Wireless is the same as the other US models. It ships with a dual core 1.5GHz processor and 2GB of RAM, which is meant to compensate for the lack of a quad-core processor that is found in the international version of the handset.""""""
JUST LIKE I THOUGHT!!! and above quote is from a major website!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol :victory::victory::victory:
More than 1gb of ram isn't needed. If you are on ics or jb, then you need a good gpu. If you are on froyo or gb, then you need a good CPU since they aren't hw accelerated.
DD-Ripper said:
Both RAM and CPU has equal aspects on any device.
Ever tried playing GTA 4 on a PC with 1GB Ram and Quadcore CPU or on 4GB RAM with a SingleCore CPU...?
Both Ram and Cpu are important in terms of increasing speed.
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Comparing PC with Android is a lil'bit out of the rails here. Even with one core and enough GPU combined with 4GB RAM should be enough to enjoy many things. More core's is good for multitasking etc. But when you think how many apps etc are optimized for those gazillion cores......
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I dont understand why company's are concentrating on processor amount,dual ,quad? ITS RAM that is so important, put 2 gigs in a dual core phone it will fly! any comments by devs on this would really help thank you
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Its simple. Big RAM can hold more running apps or a single big app (more bunch of codes). In any case, there'd be high demand of processing. So, manufacturers can only add more RAM when they ensure that they have enough processing speed for better experience.
You can say, we have quad-core CPUs now, why can't we add more RAM like we do in PCs?
Well, the answer: Don't go for specs. Smartphone CPUs/GPUs aren't powerful like Desktop ones (despite same specs). There's power and heat issues, in fact.
Plus, Android and its apps are unable to use multiple cores with high efficiency (Intel advocates this; that's why it launched powerful smartphone CPU with 1 core). So, quad-core performs poorer than single/double core performance on PCs.
It limits the lifetime of a device since it cannot be upgraded and maybe manufacturers like that. RAM usually seems to be the limiting factor on phones running future versions of android. Its too bad it can't be upgraded like a desktop/laptop but thats the cost of fitting all of this hardware into a tiny phone.
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It limits the lifetime of a device since it cannot be upgraded and maybe manufacturers like that. RAM usually seems to be the limiting factor on phones running future versions of android. Its too bad it can't be upgraded like a desktop/laptop but thats the cost of fitting all of this hardware into a tiny phone.
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AGREED! MANY DIFFERENT EXPLANATIONS! glad i asked ,all these helped. more ram would help but only to an extent. example if my wifes former htc design had a gig of ram it wouldn't have lagged so much running a single core 1.2 gig processor. FACT,so htc should have done it,it ran great till it attempted to multitask!:good:
Wasn't it stated during the I/O event that JB in general used less RAM and optimized apps better than the previous OS's so phones wouldn't need as much RAM as before?
It would be nice if JB or ICS had a timeout option for apps open more than a certain amount of time and would shut down automatically therein freeing more RAM. Obviously, it could be turned off or off depending on the user. Or if you could specify certain apps to close after an allotted amount of time if unused. Ex. Play store, calculator, calendar, SMS don't always need to stay on the page you left when you switched apps
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Just trying to figure out what's the pros and cons between a 1.5ghz single core and a 1.0ghz dual core. Like which one would be faster? Where would I notice these differences?
I'm trying to details decide between the flyer and the transformer.
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While I see where you are coming from on processor speed, The processor wouldn't be what I would be most concerned about when choosing between the two. I'd be looking at the mobility issue. Flyer fits in my shorts pocket. It's hands free when not in use but available whenever needed. Transformer have to carry around in hand all the time or in a bag. It is added bulk, & I found when only using a 10" device I didn't carry it around everywhere with me. It was a couch surfer.
Back to the original question. In my experience with the Notion Ink Adam Dual Core Tegra, The Flyer blew it away speed wise when running single apps and in general operation. The Tegra chip starts catching up when running multiple processes, like switching between open internet pages and other apps all running at the same time. Majority of apps aren't built to utilize dual core for speeding up their processes.
Picking the Flyer or the view isn't about processors or operating systems it's about functionality and portability. The flyer will be there when you need it, the 10" will be on the couch when you need it.
Previous post answers it quite well. In general, a higher clocked single core CPU will be faster within a single app than a lower clocked dual core CPU (although design differences between chip manufacturers means that straight comparison between MHz is not always a reliable point of comparison). Just like with PCs several years ago, there just aren't enough dual-core phones around yet for app developers to support multiple cores in their apps. Where you will see the dual core excel, is switching between apps, running lots of background processes, etc. But eventually, as multi-core phones become more commonplace, app developers will likely add support into their apps.
Thank you gentlemen, nice to see those responses. Those replys helps me make the decision.
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Maybe this will make a little sense....
Another important factor in speed is the memory, not just memory as in ram but memory as in cached memory that is built into the processor. I'm going to try to make a little diagram.
p1-->L1--L2
L3- shared ---->Ram
p2-->L1--L2
So in this diagram p1 is processor one, p2 is processor 2, and all the L1's...etc are cache.
L1 is the fastest, smallest memory cache, memory size increases as you move to L2, L3, Ram, but memory speed slows down.
Basically everytime the processor has a new task it puts that task on a stack(in one of the caches). So the faster it can unload and reload that stack then the faster the speed. Thats where processor speed comes in. So a bigger L1 cache means it can store more tasks in its stack in the fast memory cache making the machine run faster(processor can access the tasks quicker)
Now this is why the Flyer out performs so many dual cores. As someone already mentioned, most applications aren't optimized for dual cores. That means that it can only take advantage of half of the combined L1. Then on top of that, it is only 1gz so it can't unload and reload the stack as fast as a 1.5 ghz can. Does that make a little sense? Ha.
I'm not exactly sure what the hardware structure is of the tegra2s, I doubt they have an L3 cache, I'm pretty sure (99.9%) thats a quad core thing, so they probably share the L2 cache.
Look:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1145032
Xoom got 1GB of memory, but, 256MB for dalvik vm, 256MB for GPU, 512MB for apps)
So, now with 4 cores, 512MB for apps will be enough?
Or maybe ASUS will be more generous and will give us a full 1GB memory for apps, without dalvik ou GPU?
I don't own a asus transformer (old version), I don't know how tegra 3 will work too. So I really don't know.
Anyone have a clue about it?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1145032
Xoom got 1GB of memory, but, 256MB for dalvik vm, 256MB for GPU, 512MB for apps)
So, now with 4 cores, 512MB for apps will be enough?
Or maybe ASUS will be more generous and will give us a full 1GB memory for apps, without dalvik ou GPU?
I don't own a asus transformer (old version), I don't know how tegra 3 will work too. So I really don't know.
Anyone have a clue about it?
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Interesting question, I heared that multitasking with 512 MB of RAM isn't very good because apps close very soon due the lack of memory.
When Windows 95 shipped, a typical PC had 8MB of RAM, and now this tablet has 125 times that much.
I'm guessing the nature of Android requires less RAM that a desktop OS:
http://davidquintana.com/entry/mobile-multitasking
I hope not!
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When Windows 95 shipped, a typical PC had 8MB of RAM, and now this tablet has 125 times that much.
I'm guessing the nature of Android requires less RAM that a desktop OS:
http://davidquintana.com/entry/mobile-multitasking
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I know a tablet require less memory, they should at least...
But if we got more ram, more complex applications/games can be developed!
We have now some restriction about compress/uncompress files because of the amount of ram free/avaliable at the device.
Let's wait some one put their hands at the tablet and say to us
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Every Android device is like this: some RAM is used by the system, some RAM is used by the video frame buffer, and some RAM is used for applications. Every time a new device is released, this forum and others are filled with complaints like "I don't have 1GB RAM!!! ASUS screwed me!!!" The fact is that there IS 1GB of RAM, it's just being actually USED as it's supposed to be. And, if we had only 512MB of RAM, then far less would be available for running applications.
Furthermore, the number of cores has nothing to do with this--it's not like there's a linear relationship where more cores equals the ability to run more apps. Or, that we're somehow going to be crippled vs. a device with a dual-core processor. We'll be able to run the same number of apps as any other 1GB device, only more efficiently and quickly.
It would be nice to have 2GB, of course, but then the device would just be more expensive.
Plus honeycomb and Especially Ice Cream Sandwich do a great job of memory management. You could always root n use some app to freeze some apps/system processes you don't need or use to free up ram. I think using those free ram apps does more harm than good with later dated android OS versions. Of course more RAM would be ideal but 1GB is good enough for the prime. There is nothing or any type of apps or games out now for any tablet that truly demands more of that. People don't need that much multitasking going on to have a million things running in background. All that'll do is burn up the battery..lol
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Plus honeycomb and Especially Ice Cream Sandwich do a great job of memory management. You could always root n use some app to freeze some apps/system processes you don't need or use to free up ram. I think using those free ram apps does more harm than good with later dated android OS versions. Of course more RAM would be ideal but 1GB is good enough for the prime. There is nothing or any type of apps or games out now for any tablet that truly demands more of that. People don't need that much multitasking going on to have a million things running in background. All that'll do is burn up the battery..lol
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I think if will be the same number of memory modules, don't have any relationship with battery time.
Some websites eat so much ram and processing (bad developed sites), so, I think the navigation will be more smoother if we get more RAM.
Anyway, I'm thinking in buy one too, but, maybe I will wait for a version with 2GB.
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The RAM in this tablet is hell of a lot faster than the previous TF101. Along with the faster GPU, and CPU, this thing should multitask a lot better than previous dual-core tablets.
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I think if will be the same number of memory modules, don't have any relationship with battery time.
Some websites eat so much ram and processing (bad developed sites), so, I think the navigation will be more smoother if we get more RAM.
Anyway, I'm thinking in buy one too, but, maybe I will wait for a version with 2GB.
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You are right about websites. Web browsers n sites can eat up RAM fast as he'll. More tabs open, more ram eaten up. SH!?, my iPad only has 256MB RAM total and I make due with it..lol browser shuts down at times due to too much ram used or too many tabs open. Heavy duty games will eat it up also.
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The RAM in this tablet is hell of a lot faster than the previous TF101. Along with the faster GPU, and CPU, this thing should multitask a lot better than previous dual-core tablets.
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Yep, the Prime has a faster/more advanced memory module or something. Plus several vids showed it multitasking like crazy. Andyx, member here, even showed a vid with his prime loaded with widgets on all home screens and stuff running in background. It still moved fast n smoothly between pages in such. No slowdown at all.
I multitask on first Transformer and had an app restart in the middle of it maybe one time - when sth was clogging the system (a broken game or sth). Browsers can be a problem though, the more memory they have, the happier (faster) they are. Games use a lot of graphic memory, so the more of it, the better (256 for 2D games is more than enough, but for 3D games nothing is enough ).
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Plus honeycomb and Especially Ice Cream Sandwich do a great job of memory management. You could always root n use some app to freeze some apps/system processes you don't need or use to free up ram. I think using those free ram apps does more harm than good with later dated android OS versions. Of course more RAM would be ideal but 1GB is good enough for the prime. There is nothing or any type of apps or games out now for any tablet that truly demands more of that. People don't need that much multitasking going on to have a million things running in background. All that'll do is burn up the battery..lol
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1GB RAM was not enough for me on original Transformer.
On SGS2, I usually get around 500MB of free RAM and that feels sufficient for me.
But on Original TF, with 730ish visible/350ish free, together with more sophisticated apps, RAM easily runs out... The browser will be killed as soon as leaving it.
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1GB RAM was not enough for me on original Transformer.
On SGS2, I usually get around 500MB of free RAM and that feels sufficient for me.
But on Original TF, with 730ish visible/350ish free, together with more sophisticated apps, RAM easily runs out... The browser will be killed as soon as leaving it.
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Yeah phones can deal with ot better. Tblets different story. I guess I'm thinkn since iPad had only 256mb RAM, upgrading to new tablet with 1GB RAM would seem ideal..lol
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Yeah phones can deal with ot better. Tblets different story. I guess I'm thinkn since iPad had only 256mb RAM, upgrading to new tablet with 1GB RAM would seem ideal..lol
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iOS is not as memory thirsty as Android... Not sure about the mechanism behind but that's what happens. The newer tablets after TF201 will probably pack 2GB of RAM.
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iOS is not as memory thirsty as Android... Not sure about the mechanism behind but that's what happens. The newer tablets after TF201 will probably pack 2GB of RAM.
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I believe I heard Samsung and Lenovo new line of tablets coming out near future will pack 2GB of RAM. I wish at least the memory could be upgraded as easily in tablets as with PC. Imagine packing 6-8GB of RAM into Prime
dont forget, more ram means also more battery drain. Ram sucks quite alot.
Of course more is always better^^ But i think "only" 1gb wont be a bottleneck for the prime.
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I believe I heard Samsung and Lenovo new line of tablets coming out near future will pack 2GB of RAM. I wish at least the memory could be upgraded as easily in tablets as with PC. Imagine packing 6-8GB of RAM into Prime
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Yes you heard correct.I posted the link a few threads back.The Lenovo tablet itself will have 2gb of ddr3 ram.Which is a faster ram than the ddr2 ram in the Prime.But I also hear the Lenovo tablet will be a lot thicker (yuck lol).No telling how much ram Samsung will have to put in their 11.6 inch screen (2500x1600) ..that screen is going to be a battery/ram eater lol.
The Lenovo tab is making me doubt getting the Prime as if all the ICS tabs that were made for it feature 2GB RAM then it must mean ICS will benefit from it.
Granted its not as thin as the Prime and wont have a keyboard but prerformace will be better.
As far as the Samsung ICS tab..that will be EXPENSIVE because of the screen, I expect it to be around £599 as currently high res screens that size are in small yields.
I have a HTC Sensation which has "768 MB" of RAM, but a lot of it is used in normal use. I mean a LOT. I normally only have about 100 MB of free RAM. This is how essentially all Android devices are.
Yea, there are going to be some tablets coming out partway through 2012 with 2 GB of RAM, but quite frankly Lenovo products don't do anything for me because they're typically so ugly, and I'm not interested in a Samsung tablet if they put Touchwiz on it.
While I would like 2 GB of RAM, you have to consider that the TF Prime is IMO ushering the beginning of the 2nd generation of Android tablets. No company so far has put such an effort into an Android tablet. Look at the Motorola Droid XyBoard, Motorola's successor to the Xoom. It's absolutely pathetic compared to the TF Prime. Until the TF Prime, every tablet maker so far has been half-assing Android tablets, giving them basically the same specs as always. The TF Prime brings in the true beginning of 2nd gen specs, and it still comes in cheaper than the half-assed XyBoard. Considering that, I'm not surprised that Asus can't make absolutely every spec on the TF Prime amazing. They have to make money on it somehow lol.
I don't think a "super resolution" will be good for us.
Ok, Tegra 3 is X times faster than Tegra 2, but my Xoom got a 1280x800 screen.
Now, 2500x1600? holy ****! too many pixels to handle...
Lenovo? don't have a keyboard.
Samsung? don't like they software modifications...
A asus "prime 2" with 2gb and a faster ddr3? I will got one
Let's wait and see what the future has to offer.
So in 2011 we have Tegra 2, in 2012 we have Tegra 3 so my questions is what will come in 2013? Octo-core or an improved version of quad core cpus?
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So in 2011 we have Tegra 2, in 2012 we have Tegra 3 so my questions is what will come in 2013? Octo-core or an improved version of quad core cpus?
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Well as octo core desktop CPUs havnt really caught on yet I would guess just better quad cores likely with more powerful GPUs
Tegra 3 is already very powerful, presuming the will increase ram and make them more battery efficient or even higher clock speed. 12 core tegra gpu is pretty amazing already and anything better must be godly
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If u mean for mobile platform , Will we really need beyond Quad core, having seen how SGSIII is smoothly running with it, beyond that what more perfection ( yaa still more can be expected) and speed u will need to do ur work . As known Android use other cores on need basis , why u need to see ur 2-3 cores never used.. i think its just more curiosity n to have more advaced/latest will be the only reason to have such high cpu on ur mobile..
What I like to see is ups in RAM installed and lows in RAM usage by system...
Sounds like octo-mom..the debate.lives on.. battery vs performance...but to answer your question I think it would be hexa-core which is 6..let's wait and see what is to come...
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If u mean for mobile platform , Will we really need beyond Quad core, having seen how SGSIII is smoothly running with it, beyond that what more perfection ( yaa still more can be expected) and speed u will need to do ur work . As known Android use other cores on need basis , why u need to see ur 2-3 cores never used.. i think its just more curiosity n to have more advaced/latest will be the only reason to have such high cpu on ur mobile..
What I like to see is ups in RAM installed and lows in RAM usage by system...
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I agree. Cores are at there peak right now. The amount of CPU power we have especially in the higher end phones is enough to acomplish many, many things. RAM is somewhat of an issue especially since multitasking is a huge part of android. I really thing a 2gb RAM should be a standard soon. Also, better gpu's won't hurt
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If they decide to keep going on the core upgrade in the next two or so years, I see one of two possibilities happening:
1) Dual Processor phones utilizing either dual or quad cores.
or
2) Hexacore chips since on the desktop market there's already a few 6-core chips (though whether or not they would actually be practical in the phones architecture, no clue).
Generally speaking whatever they come out with next will either need a better battery material, or lower power processors.
I mean I'm pretty amazed by what my brother's HTC One X is capable of with the quad core, and here I am still sporting a single-core G2. But yes I would like to see more advancement in RAM usage, we got a nice bit of power, but how bout a standard 2GB ram for better multitasking?
I believe 2013 will be all about more efficient quad-cores.
May i ask what going from 1gb to 2gb will improve? Loading times?
hello everyone, could you tell me what is cuad core?
Quad core means that a processor has four processing units.
Because there are more, that means that a process, theoretically, gets executed 4 times faster.
Read more about it: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-core_processor
Maybe i7 in mobile devices?
I'm sure it will stay at quad core cpu's, anything more is just overkill. They may introduce hyperthreading. It's going to boil down to efficiency.
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I'd say the future lies in more efficient use of processors. Right now, Android is still far from optimized on multi-core processor-equipped devices. Project Butter is the start of a great movement by Google to optimize the operating system. Hopefully it spreads out to other OEMs and becomes the main focus for Android development.
Improving and optimizing current processors is the way hardware companies should go.
In my opinion, processor development is out running battery development. Optimized processors could reduce power consumption while preserving excellent speed and usability.
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building processors on more efficient ARM architectures is going to be the way to go from what I see......throwing four less efficient cores at a problem is the caveman method to dealing with it.....looking at you Samsung Exynos Quad based on tweaked A9 cores.....
the A15 based Qualcomm S4 Krait is more efficient on a clock for clock core for core basis and once the software catches up and starts using the hardware in full capacity, less more efficient cores will be preferred
I dont see anything beyond quads simply because they havent even scratched the surface of what can be done with a modern dual core processor yet.......throwing more cores at it only makes excuses for poor code.....i can shoot **** faster than water with a big enough pump......but that doesn't mean that's the better solution
We don't need more cores! Having more than 2 cores will not make a difference so quad cores are a waste of space in the CPU die.
Hyperthreading, duh.
More ram. Got to have the hardware before the software can be made to use it.
With the convergence of x86 into the Android core and the streamlining of low-power Atom CPUs, the logical step would be to first optimize the current software base for multi-core processors before marketing takes over with their stupid x2 multiplying game...
Not long ago, a senior Intel exec went on record saying that today, a single core CPU Android smartphone is perhaps better overall performing (battery life, user experience, etc) than any dual/quad-core CPU. Mind you, these guys seldom if ever stick out their neck with such bold statements, especially when not pleasing to the ear...
For those interested, you can follow this one (of many) articles on the subject: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/intel-android-not-ready-for-multi-core-cpus/20746
Android needs to mature, and I think it actually is. With 4.1 we see the focus drastically shifted to optimization, UX and performance with *existing/limited* resources. This will translate to devices beating all else in battery life, performance and graphics but since it was neglected in the first several iterations, it is likely we see 4.0 followed by 4.1 then maybe 4.2 before we hear/see the 5.0 which will showcase maturity and evolution of the experience.
Just my 2c. :fingers-crossed:
what is going on here? samsung is going to launch a galaxy s III with a quad-core processor, 4G LTE and a huge 2GB RAM in Korea!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why they are doing this? why we are not getting these super features with the International version of galaxy s III?
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what is going on here? samsung is going to launch a galaxy s III with a quad-core processor, 4G LTE and a huge 2GB RAM in Korea!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why they are doing this? why we are not getting these super features with the International version of galaxy s III?
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1. Most countries aside from the US and Canada (and countries in Asia) don't have LTE.
2. The 2GB of RAM is negligible unless you're a super-multitasker.
3. The way they got the LTE radio to work with the Exynos is by separating it from the SoC, which will result in very poor battery life. In the US models, which also do LTE and have 2GB of RAM, the phone uses the Snapdragon S4 SoC, not Exynos, which results in better battery life at the loss of raw power.
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1. Most countries aside from the US and Canada (and countries in Asia) don't have LTE.
2. The 2GB of RAM is negligible unless you're a super-multitasker.
3. The way they got the LTE radio to work with the Exynos is by separating it from the SoC, which will resort in very poor battery life. In the US models, which also do LTE and have 2GB of RAM, the phone uses the Snapdragon S4 SoC, not Exynos, which results in better battery life at the loss of raw power.
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what do you think? will 2GB RAM boost the speed of s III? mean, will it help to run high graphics games smoother than the International version of s III?
No
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This completely uninformed and un-knowledgeable post makes me sad
RAM does not affect speed positively, only negatively if you have too little (like if you tried running Ice Cream Sandwich on a G1/HTC Dream). RAM only affects the amount of applications you can have open at once, which is not a huge deal given that 1GB of RAM is a lot already, and Android (which is Linux) has fantastic memory management.
Now, I know you're going to go into your Task Manager and then come here and post, "BUT I ONLY HAVE LIKE _____ MB RAM FREE!". In Linux, free RAM is wasted RAM; the OS will load applications into memory to fill it up BUT that doesn't mean they're running. They'll start up faster when you use them, but they won't use battery when you're not. So even if you got the 2GB version, most of it would still be filled by the OS.
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This completely uninformed and un-knowledgeable post makes me sad
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Are you here now too
Get used to it. Sgs3 forum manages to knock down the average xda iq quite a bit.
Not so much a dig at this op... this is quite mild
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This completely uninformed and un-knowledgeable post makes me sad
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are you asking me to inform you before posting a thread????????
Product F(RED) said:
RAM does not affect speed positively, only negatively if you have too little (like if you tried running Ice Cream Sandwich on a G1/HTC Dream). RAM only affects the amount of applications you can have open at once, which is not a huge deal given that 1GB of RAM is a lot already, and Android (which is Linux) has fantastic memory management.
Now, I know you're going to go into your Task Manager and then come here and post, "BUT I ONLY HAVE LIKE _____ MB RAM FREE!". In Linux, free RAM is wasted RAM; the OS will load applications into memory to fill it up BUT that doesn't mean they're running. They'll start up faster when you use them, but they won't use battery when you're not. So even if you got the 2GB version, most of it would still be filled by the OS.
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thanks for your information. I've got it now.:good: can you please make me understand that how samsung make a 4G LTE supported quad-core processor in a short time?
Normally, everything (RAM, CPU, GPU, DAC, Radios) are on one chip called an SoC (System on a Chip). Samsung put a separate 4G LTE radio in the phone, which talks to the SoC when it's being used. To clarify, when you say Exynos, you're talking about the SoC; that's what Samsung's is called. Snapdragon and Tegra III are other SoC's. But anyways, they put a separate (not on the SoC) LTE radio in there to make them be able to talk to each other, BUT it results in much less battery life since the phone has to power several components at once instead of one chip with everything on it.
This isn't the first time they've done this. The Tab 7.7 on Verizon (4G LTE) here in the US has the same Exynos dual-core as the Galaxy S II, but it has separate radio as well. The separate 4G LTE radio must have its own co-processor of some kind to process the information that the Exynos can't.
Hi people, just a simple question that hope has not been made, do you think, in a short time (few months) 2 GB of RAM will be required for our devices to work well?
The most important is smooth and stable, higher RAM is not neccesary. :laugh:
Probably as tech gets higher, more ram will be required for later games and applications.
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Cellphones today are the same as computer is... the higher hardware it would only be required to those who uses heavy features, like games and developing programs.
So, if you want a device just to basic use, you'll not need high spec cellphones.
It really depends on the usage, but there will be a lot of resource-consuming games released soon.
Some custom roms like miui also take a lot of memory! 1GB is getting short...
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higher RAM is not neccesary
You don't really NEED 2GB of RAM, but does help. Better multitasking, mostly.
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me personally i don't think that phones really need 2gb like gagdude said. I think if you have a kernel that makes the phone run faster then not necessarily 2gb is needed but helps alot.
Seeing phones like the new Nexus or the Galaxy S3 Alpha are coming out with two GB... I dont know if there will be apps or tweaks like that new one on the S3 Alpha that will not work well in our 1 GB phones soon.
i have a htc desire with cm10 4.1.2, it only has 576mb ram, but still kind of smooth, so 2gb is not necessary, but still more is better, because it will be more smooth, espicially when you playing games.
I don't think it's necessary and yeah you guys are right phones are like computers.
HD Screen
Quad Core
2GB Ram
Powerful gpus
If cpus would be x86 and with a mouse and keyboard you could get a fully working windows 7 on your phone. Even most of the computers at schools and libraries are not quad core.
I think ubuntu realized that and they are developing a fully functional ubuntu for phones with two and more cores.
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Personally, I feel that 2gb ram is needed. Reason being that stock s3 uses around 700 - 900mb of ram. Of course, you may still say that you can install custom rom and decrease its usage to maybe 500 - 600mb. But if you run a lot of apps, it will eventually use more than 1gb of ram and the remaining usage will be send to and forth the swap(slower access).
Despite having zram which improves performance for devices with low rams, but ram is still faster than zram so having more ram is indeed better.
With a device that has to swap to and forth the swap and ram, battery life will be reduced and the performance will not be that good as the instructions of the code inside the ram has to be done then only it can be swapped with the instructions inside the swap and so it reduces the performance(in theory, you may not feel it unless you run something i/o intensive)
Go read up more on ram, zram and swap and you'll get it why I'd said to get a device with more ram.
Platform fragmentation on android will surely slow down this process. Also the maximum heap space available for a Java application (opengl textures and native code are excluded from this limitation) doesn't make extra RAM so important for many apps.
But for sure I wouldn't complain if my phone had more RAM.
1GB is enough. 2GB? You will play Asphalt 7 & Modern Combat 3 at the same time?
muabaylentroi said:
1GB is enough. 2GB? You will play Asphalt 7 & Modern Combat 3 at the same time?
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Why not
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gagdude said:
Why not
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Not only your device is multitasking, but also you are multitasking.