Hi, this is my first post on the XDA forums and I have some Q's. Hopefully I find some A's. Can someone point me in the right direction or explain this. I bought a used Sprint Mogul and I have Alltel. I want to have this phone work for Alltel. All I have right now is the newest HTC rom for alltel and the Titan Unlocker. Will someone give me a hand on how to make this phone my new phone for Alltel? BTW I dont want to really run any custom roms unless I have to.
Thanks,
Moulds
The problem isn't the rom, the problem is that carriers store their "own" ESN's in their systems, since the phone wasn't sold to Altel originally, it won't be in their system. There are stories of people having success getting one carrier or the other to activate other carriers phones, but it's extrememly rare and very difficult to do. The first thing you would have to do is download the stock rom for Altel for your model phone, flash it, and verify the phone boots and appears to work. At this point, you can try going into the Altel store and see if you can convince their reps to activate the phone. If they won't, then try calling customer service and see if you can get them over the phone to do it, however again, their system is going to throw up a flag when they try to activate someone other carriers phone.
If the phone doesn't look exactly like Altel's there is even less of a chance of getting it activated.
Honestly your best bet is to put it back on ebay and take the proceeds from that sale to buy a used Altel phone. You will have a whole lot less trouble.
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Well what if I took the current esn of my razr on change my mogul to that? would that work and if so how do I do that.
That is illegal and even discussing it in this forum can get you banned.
While possible, Altel will know it's a data phone and could legally sue you for violating their terms of service.
Again, your best bet is either to change to Sprint, or swap the phone out on ebay for one from Altel.
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Mogul on Alltel
I just bought a Mogul and loaded an Alltel stock ROM last weekend. It has been working great. Alltel will put the ESN in no problem if you call them on the phone. Don't tell them it is from another carrier. All they asked me was what type of phone it was.
Tools I used:
ftp://ppcgeeks.com/../Tools/QPST_2.7.249.zip -THis is used to unlock your phone if needed and update the service information from Sprint to Your Provider
ftp://ppcgeeks.com/../Tools/GetSPC.zip (finds your phone's MSL if it needs unlocked).
ftp://up.ppcgeeks.com/Titan/Users/Im...rd-SPL-MFG.exe - Run this and then your RUU loader afterwords to install your ROM
Latest ROM ver 3.52.671.9 (What I am running) @ http://www.htc.com/us/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=63&act=all
make sure you have the usb cable, activesync if you are on XP, otherwise Vista has it already.
Basically you need to
1. Get the MSL code from GetSPC inputing your ESN and it outputs the MSL.
2. Put your phone in DIAG mode (##3424# ##3424 Send, or #*#3424). If it is a sprint phone, the first one will work.
3. Run QPST (you will need the MSL you obtained from getSPC
4. You may want to save the phone's configuration if you ever want to roll back to the SPCS config. Anway, Change the MSL to 000000 and write it back to the phone.
5. then run the Hard-SPL-MFG.exe program, paying attention to when it tells you to disconnect and reconnect your phone.
6. Then install your ROM by running the RUU program on your pc.
7. Now, you will need to configure service by going into DIAG mode again (probably need to use ##3424 SEND now) and using QPST change the service information to that for Alltel or whatever carrier you want. I had it easy, I plugged in my Samsung Hue R500 and copied the service information off of that one.
8. If you get all the service information right, you should be able to call Alltel, give them the ESN. If they give you slack, wait a bit and call back until you get someone nice. Persistance is the key. Then you can do *228 for OTA programming.
If you need Alltel config I will post it here, just PM me.
Scott Emick
BillThyCat said:
The problem isn't the rom, the problem is that carriers store their "own" ESN's in their systems, since the phone wasn't sold to Altel originally, it won't be in their system. There are stories of people having success getting one carrier or the other to activate other carriers phones, but it's extrememly rare and very difficult to do. The first thing you would have to do is download the stock rom for Altel for your model phone, flash it, and verify the phone boots and appears to work. At this point, you can try going into the Altel store and see if you can convince their reps to activate the phone. If they won't, then try calling customer service and see if you can get them over the phone to do it, however again, their system is going to throw up a flag when they try to activate someone other carriers phone.
If the phone doesn't look exactly like Altel's there is even less of a chance of getting it activated.
Honestly your best bet is to put it back on ebay and take the proceeds from that sale to buy a used Altel phone. You will have a whole lot less trouble.
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Alltel DOES activate CDMA phones NOT branded Alltel. Please have all your info str8 before misinforming someone.
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Alltel DOES activate CDMA phones NOT branded Alltel. Please have all your info str8 before misinforming someone.
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The Altel store here doesn't. I don't have Altel so I have never called their customer service, but since I see this same question asked for every other carrier and they all get the same advice I handed out, I assumed that all Altel stores were the same.
Sorry for "misinforming" someone, however, the fact that it has been programmed for sprint may cause him issues down the road... So again, I still think my advice of getting an Altel branded phone is the smartest option.
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Wow thanks for the help anything else I should be warned of?
why would getting an alltel phone be any different than using a sprint/AT&T etc phone. They are all the same, just locked onto their networks for service. If he had bought an HTC Titan that was not branded to a carrier he would have the same luck as all others. Many people still buy unlocked out of the box phones. Most carriers will also add them to their services. The stores may not, but the phone people will. These companies are in business to make money and have customers and turning someone down because they don't get your free phone ain't gonna happen. Just don't tell them it was another carrier's phone.
First off AT&T is GSM, which means if the phone is unlocked you can just stick and sim card in there and bam, it works.
CDMA is different. I know I have looked at my QPST and EPST info pretty close, and there are many settings in there that are carrier specific, so that if you were to try to use it on a different carrier it wouldn't work very well. Phone most likely will work, but data is a different beast. I see dozens of people on here who flash a sprint rom on their verizon phone and accidently let customization run, once you've done this, rolling back to a verizon rom in some cases doesn't fix the problem, you have to go in and hand edit a lot of settings, the same could apply here, since Sprint apparently is different than most carriers.
I'm glad you've had luck getting other carriers phone's activated, and how many of those were smart phones? I bet most were just plain phones, in which case there isn't any problems.
I'm not gonna get in a flamewar with you, I stated my opinion, you stated yours, I feel yours is wrong, you feel mine is wrong. Lets leave it at that.
As to the OP, feel free to try to get it activated, heck, it might work, but if it doesn't, then again, get the correct carrier branded phone and you will have no problems!
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One question am I able to just get the service information from my razr and use that? and if so how do I do that.
actually I am not flaming, and not stating opinion. I am stating fact. If you buy a stock HTC phone w/o contract, which would be unlocked. You can get it activated on any carrier that supports its network CMA or GSM. Smartphone or regular phone. The point is to not tell them it was from another carrier.
One question am I able to just get the service information from my razr and use that? and if so how do I do that????
scottemick said:
I just bought a Mogul and loaded an Alltel stock ROM last weekend. It has been working great. Alltel will put the ESN in no problem if you call them on the phone. Don't tell them it is from another carrier. All they asked me was what type of phone it was.
Tools I used:
ftp://ppcgeeks.com/../Tools/QPST_2.7.249.zip -THis is used to unlock your phone if needed and update the service information from Sprint to Your Provider
ftp://ppcgeeks.com/../Tools/GetSPC.zip (finds your phone's MSL if it needs unlocked).
ftp://up.ppcgeeks.com/Titan/Users/Im...rd-SPL-MFG.exe - Run this and then your RUU loader afterwords to install your ROM
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the link to the 3rd file you listed is broken... is there anywhere else to get that file? i've tried to google it but i cant get the whole filename from the link to do so.
Thanks for any help
Actually it can be done. I done it today with no problem. Just because the epst and qpst settings are carrier specific doesn't mean that they cant be changed. What I will say is that after you have unlocked the phone and finally have your # activated on alltel via esn your sprint mogul will be functional. you have to update the prl so u wont be stuck in roaming and your data package will be disabled because Sprint uses a different server address. In order to change these settings you will use both qpst to set in hard settings and back everything up and then epst to keep the settings within the phone. the reason you wont have data has to deal with the Security and M.IP settings. its a lot to type so im not going to but if im on at any time you can pm me to walk you through it or even better you can reach me on yahoo messenger. its set within my phone as well so I can give you real time help with the settings on the spot. My messenger name is seraphazaziel79 as well.
I bought a Qwest phone sometime this Spring and I was trying to get it activated on Verizon. I flat out told them it was from another carrier, they put that in my customer file and copied down the ESN so when I called back and told them that it was a XV6800 they called me out on it. Basically lie to them from the beginning and you should be good. If they won't activate it you can sell a Sprint phone on ebay. My Qwest phone makes a pretty decent paper weight.
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How possible is[nt] this?
Anyone got a clue? I would love t move, BUT I don't have $350 for a new mogul [vx6800]
I gather this isn't legally possible without having Sprint unlock your phone (which they said they'll start doing, AFTER contracts run out), and then having Verizon permit your unlocked phone onto their network.
There are probably ways of doing it yourself, but they're not legal. And they require more intimate knowledge of the phone networks than I possess.
Yes and no
Greetings,
It would work as the devices are pretty much the same, major diff is the MSL. Sprint uses an algorithm to compute this code based on ESN, where Verizon just uses 000000 on all units. This could be changed easily and you could even have a ROM cooked up that would load the VZW applications loaded up. Where you run into a problem is that both carriers look at the ESN range that your unit falls in and will deny you just simply based on that alone. It is a rule of the carrier as opposed it not working. Maybe they will open the rules one day, as they actually do use the same CDMA network, as a consultant I work on Sprint, VZW, Alltel, and many others systems.
The way I see it, if sprint is allowing the phones to go global, then it should work. I remember in the days when i was in love with the e815 for vzw. The e816 came out, which is a black version, but it was only for amped mobile. I was able to swap out the rom and then use the e816 on verizons network. I'm not sure if its the same for sprint, but maybe since they're all cdma phones anyway.
I'm tempted to try a VZW ROM on my phone and see what happens... I got as friend with VZW I could call in and try to activate under her account... Maybe I'll try it.
I was a cell tech 10 years ago but now I am lost. I want to switch providers but keep my phone. Company techs say no way, have to buy new phone. That HTC 6800 and xv6800 look similar but have different guts and one will not emulate the other. Can I flash the mogul to work with verizon? If so, A few keywords for searching this site, to get up to speed would be greatley appreciated. Thanks for your help.
The phones are essentially identical if you put cosmetic differences aside. The real difference is that Sprint have that one's ESN number in their database for the phone, and Verizon have no knowledge of that phone in their database. So, if you call VZW they will say, "hmmm... nope, we can't help you." But, if you illegally change that one's ESN to the ESN of a valid Verizon phone, you can register that phone to their network. But, there is a little difference about ESN, MSL, MSID, etc. between VZW and Sprint... so if you decide to break the law well, make sure to research your topic thoroughly. It is possible though.
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The phones are essentially identical if you put cosmetic differences aside. The real difference is that Sprint have that one's ESN number in their database for the phone, and Verizon have no knowledge of that phone in their database. So, if you call VZW they will say, "hmmm... nope, we can't help you." But, if you illegally change that one's ESN to the ESN of a valid Verizon phone, you can register that phone to their network. But, there is a little difference about ESN, MSL, MSID, etc. between VZW and Sprint... so if you decide to break the law well, make sure to research your topic thoroughly. It is possible though.
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verizon now (or will soon) lets you use any phone on their network (provided its CDMA of course) so having them activate a sprint mogul shoudlnt be an issue
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verizon now (or will soon) lets you use any phone on their network (provided its CDMA of course) so having them activate a sprint mogul shoudlnt be an issue
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My Verizon rep said next year... and in Verizon time that means don't hold your breath.
i had heard some areas had started immediately following the announcement last november
Hi guys. I've read through the threads and I've not seen anything specific to my question.
Had to buy the XV6800 for work out of my pocket. Two months later, they let me go (downsizing....yay for me). Luckily, they owned the plan, but I own the phone.
Can I load the Sprint ROM onto my phone and activate it on the Sprint network? I've been with Sprint for 10 years and they generally treat me good. The tech support guy in the store said 'theoretically, yes, if you load the Sprint ROM it should work, but I don't know if they'll activate it or not and we can't support it." He did say that Sprint was trying to be more open in their network.
Any takers to this one? Otherwise, I'm going to have to Ebay this phone, and I really hate doing that. It's been a decent phone. Putting it on Sprint would be nice.
Thanks!
EDIT: I'm asking this because I've seen people mention that they are stuck on Sprint's towers when they upgrade the XV6800 with one of the custom ROMs. It seems possible then to talk Sprint into activating it. But what would I need? MSL, etc?
If it doesnt say "SPRINT" on the phone sprint wont activate it.
This has been discussed several times at PPCGeeks, and from what I've read, it's a lot easier to take a Mogul from Sprint and put it on VZ's network, than it is to take an XV6800 from VZ and put it on Sprint's network. that is, as long as you talk to the right VZ tech. i believe that the techs at VZ have a lot easier time entering new ESN's into their database than do techs at Sprint, and the ones at VZ are a lot more willing to do this. sorry.
but my guess is that after Verizon opens up their network to foreign CDMA ESN's (in june/july-ish i believe) that Sprint would more than likely start putting in more ESN's to grab your business. otherwise, it'd be fighting up a slippery slope if any phone on sprint could be used willingly on verizon.
as for your problem, i really don't know how exactly, but if you do under the grace of god manage to have sprint enter the ESN in, i believe it only takes a few EPST setting changes and a customization to work.
You can but......
Well yes here is an idea for you, but keep in mind that doing it is technically NOT legal to do, for reasons we will not go into. If you have a phone that is on Sprint that is EVDO then you could put the ESN and MIN in the 6800. I am not suggesting that you do this at all, but it would work. Other than legallity issues, and that you could never turn on the power to that other phone or else it would trip fraud detection software and cause a re-generate of the A-Key in the system killing your 6800, so I say just don't do it, but it would work.
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I bought the htc touch pro sprint version off a good deal. I used the elite team unlocker and I tossed the vzw leaked rom on the touch pro. Installation of the leaked rom went fairly well, and I thought I was ready to get this device connected via vzw network. I called vzw 3 times, went to 3 different stores, all have the same answer.
They cannot add the esn to their database. So my question is - what's the workaround regarding that policy? Do I have a very expensive alarm on my hands or is there something that can be done?
btw I haven't unlocked the msl code and I put the sprint rom (stock rom) back on the device to start fresh. Bear in mind I tried Getspc and I found that didn't work too well. I also tried QPST on vista and windows xp and the same popup on both machines came up (installing new drivers, please select driver location) to try and change the msl.
Any other thoughts or a good direction of where to go? I tried going to mobile files and I got an okay understanding of it, but an issue is well...I'm not sure of what to do.
I know there was a thread in the diamond forum to change the esn and I think that would be a good idea, what are your thoughts on it? Is it a good idea? Did I just open up pandora's box?
Try this
Go to forum.ppcgeeks.com
I believe I read something similar to this on that site. Don't know about the solution, but they are more advanced in dealing with the CDMA Pro, as they appear to have had it longer.
Sorry I couldnt help more. So Much for the Open Network Verizon promised.
Carriers sometimes are just a BIG Joke.
yeah I was reading two topics started by one guy...seems he went through the same drama that i went through
so I'm thinking from the discussion the only way would be to send the phone to verizon and I don't want to do that honestly
Dont
Don't Do it, and Verizon would rather you bu their own touch Pro when it gets released
Unless you can edit/spoof a Verizon ESN I don't think it's possible currently. If you do manage to find a way to do that, you need to be careful as it's probably illegal (as the ESN could belong to someone else -- and I'm sure there's laws in place to "protect you") -- Guessing at least, IANAL
Yes, technically it is illegal to change the ESN of a phone, however, I know that there was a way to change it (at least for the Mogul).
its been done
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44663
trying it now and so far my results are exactly as advertised huzzah!
So what's the verdict? Success or Fail?
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So what's the verdict? Success or Fail?
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its my understanding that at this time vzn has suspended adding ESN's to there DMD. check the PPCgeeks post above your post and check to make sure though.
Yeah, I see they have some Sprint Touch Pro's on e-bay and I was thinking about getting one for my verizon account because they are cheaper and also I heard they have more processor memory or something. So does that no longer work, or can someone point me to a thread on this?
if you go to PPC geeks you can fint the post in the TP section.
I have a sprint touch pro on vzw network working perfectly using the above method a wile back, however 2 days ago i lost internet, and decided to activate an old phone and reactivate the touch pro to reset the internet settings on verizons network, when reactivating the sprint touch pro i was told the esn was invalad du to the fact that it was not 911 compadable,.. wich we allknow it is, but i believe verizon has just set their network to generate that error when a sprint esn is trying to be added, as of right now there is a truble ticken in with verizons it department but, im not very hopefull, i think my next step would be to clone an esn of a verizon phone i am not using, can anyone help me with that?
if it was anything close to what I had to do to get it on alltel, if you can get them to add the esn you may have to manually program it then add a prl then try *228 it....you do best to call vzw CS and tell them its theirs if they ask...
Can someone please help me I have a Touch Pro for sprint, but I recently changed to US cellular. Is there anyway I can use my phone on the US Cellular Network?
Probably not.. they only allow US Cellular branded phones on their network.
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Can someone please help me I have a Touch Pro for sprint, but I recently changed to US cellular. Is there anyway I can use my phone on the US Cellular Network?
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i understand that us cellular wont activate it but i have a way around that problem. i just need to know how to program the phone for there network.
find someone with a windows mobile phone and look at the settings from QPST from them.
Then find a carrier cab i think DCD made one im not sure if USCC stants for us cellular http://dcd1182.n715dp.com/index.php?dir=hermann/carriers/
Good luck
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find someone with a windows mobile phone and look at the settings from QPST from them.
Then find a carrier cab i think DCD made one im not sure if USCC stants for us cellular http://dcd1182.n715dp.com/index.php?dir=hermann/carriers/
Good luck
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im a noob when it comes to flashing to another carrier. i have flashed over to the us cellular rom, but still get sprint when i dial out.
Load the latest PRL
http://corolada.com/prl/
I'm not sure if US cellular uses DMU key authentication, you might need to change that too. (i doubt it, but search google or something)
Also search google for threads on converting a sprint TP to verizon and you might find steps on how this is done although its a diff carrier.
does anybody have the DMU setting for US cellular or know if they use it?
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Load the latest PRL
http://corolada.com/prl/
I'm not sure if US cellular uses DMU key authentication, you might need to change that too. (i doubt it, but search google or something)
Also search google for threads on converting a sprint TP to verizon and you might find steps on how this is done although its a diff carrier.
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no a key used.
for the settings check out http://sites.google.com/site/victorbush/htc-6800-1/epst-data-settings
The problem you will run into is that until they add your ESN into their system, no matter what you do the phone won't work on USCC.
Customer support won't activate a phone with an unknown ESN, they will require that you go to a store, and unless you can find a store with a tech who doesn't mind breaking the rules, you will never get it activated.
All roms for the most part are mostly universal, so putting on USCC's rom won't help, because the phone doesn't physically say USCC on it, when their actual phones do, will basically make it impossible to get accomplished.
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I am receiving a US Cellular Touch Pro on Monday. People at the main US Cellular told me to buy one on Ebay lol. Well I did & will have the settings. Cant you just call in & give them the new ESN?
Viper Matrix Wireless said:
I am receiving a US Cellular Touch Pro on Monday. People at the main US Cellular told me to buy one on Ebay lol. Well I did & will have the settings. Cant you just call in & give them the new ESN?
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they do have a (white)list of their 'GOOD' ESN numbers, since HTC customizes the phone for them and will provide them a list of the ESN numbers sold...
YMMV to get a tech to activate an unknown ESN number... the system may not even allow it if it doesn't match the whitelist
im actually really interested in this... for my old Titan however, my sisters phone broke, and shes broke as well (har har), my old Titan still works fine, I want to give it to her and activate it on USCC but am running into the tech problem...
I second the interest, I have a Verizon Touch Pro that I am going to try and activate on US Cellular, the settings would be fantastic.
cleanser said:
find someone with a windows mobile phone and look at the settings from QPST from them.
Then find a carrier cab i think DCD made one im not sure if USCC stants for us cellular http://dcd1182.n715dp.com/index.php?dir=hermann/carriers/
Good luck
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would this work the other way around (us cellular to sprint)?
You may have luck with USCC if you get a nice tech.. but you can NOT activate a non-sprint phone on sprint.. period... they are very particular about that.... & if you want a chance of activating your phone on USCC, have it all programmed for them before you even take it in.... that way they will see no major work needs to be done, and presto!