This is the biggest disappointment yet. VZW really dropped the ball. With the missing memory the phone is nearly crippled. For those that dont know all other variants of this phone have 256 megs of RAM. The VZW version as 192. I dont even see it all and the website says 128. By default TF3D is NOT even enabled. When it is... OMG! The lag is horrendous. Free RAM on first boot can be seen in my screenshot below. 45 megs!! Woot! Great job VZW. My vouge with a custom ROM boots at 75 megs free and has no freakin lag at all. Same thing with my Titan. My Titan will run circles around this disappointment in a shiny package!
This is a SAD day for me and all VZW users.
If your on VZW and are thinking of upgraded from a XV6800 or an XV6900 DONT DO IT! Its not nearly as nimble as teh sprint version. GPS is locked right out of the box. I am so let down. Luckily two days ago I got a brand new vouge. I am packaging this back up and sending it back to VZW.
UPDATE: I did some tweaking on the stock ROM and have the device running pretty decent now. Here is what I did.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2963848&postcount=30
Here is the full thread which is very similar to this one. Maybe we should kill this thread and continue on here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450196
Onto the Pros:
I can send it back
The screen is incredible!!!!
**Sorry for the rant.
Is that 45 megs free RAM while TF3D is running?
onstadj said:
Is that 45 megs free RAM while TF3D is running?
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No, that is no touchflow running.
Right now I am screwing around with MemMaid to see if I can tweak this thing. Its helped a little.....
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No, that is no touchflow running.
Right now I am screwing around with MemMaid to see if I can tweak this thing. Its helped a little.....
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30.09 Megs free with TF3D running. WOW!
got 4 of the phones in today, and i've been using it since 10am this morning with TF3D enabled......
TF3D works flawlessly on all the phones, no lag whatsoever in TF3D with google maps, opera, teeter, and activesync running
Does this phone have less memory than any other Touch Pro? Yes
Does it affect the performance of the phone? No. Period.
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got 4 of the phones in today, and i've been using it since 10am this morning with TF3D enabled......
TF3D works flawlessly on all the phones, no lag whatsoever in TF3D with google maps, opera, teeter, and activesync running
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Have you ever used one of my custom ROMS? This is very laggy. Can you post your free memory?
Oh man. I don't know where anyone EVER got the idea that reducing memory on a WM device was a good thing to do.
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Have you ever used one of my custom ROMS? This is very laggy. Can you post your free memory?
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i'm using the stock rom from Verizon
if your custom rom is lagging it sounds like a personal problem
I have yet to find a cooked ROM for the Verizon TP as from what i've seen everywhere the SPL unlocker for all the other TP's does not work with the VZW one
Do your ROM's work with the VZW Touch Pro?
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i'm using the stock rom from Verizon
if your custom rom is lagging it sounds like a personal problem
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You did not read my post accurately., I asked you question. I did not say I was using a custom ROM on this phone. I am asking you if you have ever used one of my custom ROMS? IF so you woul understand why I percieve this to be so laggy. My titan is much faster than this.
Everyone on VZW is using the stock rom as of now. There is no unlocker for this crippled model. NONE. They are working on it though. Its a differnt device DI than the rest of them.
What phone are you coming from? Can you give us more info so I can gauge if this is my phone having issues?
Could you post your free memory once again please?
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Do your ROM's work with the VZW Touch Pro?
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No. Only Vouge and Titan. I cant wait to get a ROM going for this if I keep it.
Namtaru said:
got 4 of the phones in today, and i've been using it since 10am this morning with TF3D enabled......
TF3D works flawlessly on all the phones, no lag whatsoever in TF3D with google maps, opera, teeter, and activesync running
Does this phone have less memory than any other Touch Pro? Yes
Does it affect the performance of the phone? No. Period.
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Wow. I just read teh second part of your post. WOW. Did you do any speed comparisons? I did. I sat it down with the sprint model side by side today and did basic tasks like sending text, slidgin with TF3D, etc. The VZW version with less memory was much slower.
Can you tell me what benchmarks you used to determine that the speeds were the same? I will run them as well and post my results. You seem to be shooting from the hip on this. You have no proof of what you are saying. If you could once again post your memory results on fresh boot with or without TF 3d running I would love to see. Once again I am trying to determine if my device is defective. Thats the only thing that can explain this lag.
WAIT A MINUTE.... 5 Posts.... Comes in only to say how great the phone is.,... You work for VZW dont you? Be honest.
Ok, I got this thing upto 60 megs of Free RAM without touchflow using MemMaid but thats the best i can get on the stock ROM. It helps the lag quite a bit actually.
Sorry, I misunderstood.......
I'm coming from an Apache using a helmi rom. Coming from that thing, the TP is night and day difference.
I have noticed that the phone lag's pretty bad when it is tilted horizontally, however the sprint phone i tested does the same thing. And again the TF3D is not any slower on the VZW phone than it is on the Sprint version, and i've been mukkin with this thing all day (hope my boss doesnt notice i didnt get any work done )
while running all the above in my previous post i had 22MB free
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Sorry, I misunderstood.......
I'm coming from an Apache using a helmi rom. Coming from that thing, the TP is night and day difference.
I have noticed that the phone lag's pretty bad when it is tilted horizontally, however the sprint phone i tested does the same thing. And again the TF3D is not any slower on the VZW phone than it is on the Sprint version, and i've been mukkin with this thing all day (hope my boss doesnt notice i didnt get any work done )
while running all the above in my previous post i had 22MB free
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Ok, then we both stand corrected. Thanks for the info. Apache was pretty slow device man. My Vouge is SMOKIN fast.
WE will have to agree to disagree. To you the device is worthwhile... To me the lacking memory has a huge impact. That fact that sprint boots with over 100 megs free and I am struggling to hit 60 while on my Vouge I can hit 75. I think I just need a custom ROM!
Hopefully this will be unlocked soon.
Yes, My boss came over today and said the same thing.. Said... Does that phone do your work for you too? I just lauged....
Two of my techs bought this phone as well. One on VZW and one on sprint. Another went out and bought the Samsung Something or other that was released with this one.
After another 15 minutes of use and tweaking I am starting to come around. i guess its not that bad for a STOCK Rom but I know it can do a whole lot more when its unlocked... Maybe I am partially frustrated that I cant get GPS yet other than VZ-Crapigator for $10.00 a month.
RE-read... TILTING IT CAN CAUSE IT TO LAG? Oh crap. Can we disable that motion sensor crap?
I put a vid up on my ftp to show you what TF3D is like on my phone with a bunch of apps running
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http://www.namtaru.com/uploads/2008/Files/TF3D_Demo.avi
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I put a vid up on my ftp to show you what TF3D is like on my phone with a bunch of apps running
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http://www.namtaru.com/uploads/2008/Files/TF3D_Demo.avi
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Ok dude, I take back what I said about you working for VZW> I am sorry. Just a bit fustrated. Check ing ouy the vid now but WMPlayer has no video, what codec is this in>?
i encoded it in xvid
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I put a vid up on my ftp to show you what TF3D is like on my phone with a bunch of apps running
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http://www.namtaru.com/uploads/2008/Files/TF3D_Demo.avi
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Holly ****, you wont believe this... Yours is way smoother than mine. Im not joking. This damn thing has to be defective. I will send it back. Yours is like what I expected. Mine... Oh no.. Nothing like yours....
Here is what mine is doing: Gets stuck on tabs like teh screen is dirty but its not, some tabs take twice as long as yours to open. For example, I go to weather and I have to kick back and wait for it to load.
I feared something was wrong with my phone and I think that proves it. When I go to work tomorrow I will compare it with my techs who got theres in.
Thanks again for posting this.... I may have to recant my initial statements.
Here's a decent video that shows the vzw touch pro booting (slowly), and then stalling when the user starts using TF3D. It get's better, but when the user starts playing music, you can hear skips in the music... The portrait to landscape change looks slow too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV8W...ab=nv&q=vzw TOUCH PRO&feature=player_embedded
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I don't think it's HTChome... cause i have the new nexvision rom, and its not even included. But after about three hours im down to 4 or 5 megs free.... Even when i turn my mogul on it only has about 16 or 17... Anyone figure out a fix for this?
Try installing dcd's super clean rom.
I have read all the posts and it sounds to me like it is WM6.1, so what is the best ROM without WM6.1?
got a link to superclean?
i removed all startup items except VistaHide & poutlook
I startup with 20mb ram and i dont seem to see any memory leaks that lots of other ppl are having.
btw i have nexvisions latest sprint rom. also i dont have anything on today screen (no agenda/time nothing at all)
after starting and running "Close Apps" program...it gives me 21mb free
morganlowe said:
got a link to superclean?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367574
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I have read all the posts and it sounds to me like it is WM6.1, so what is the best ROM without WM6.1?
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2.0.0 beta was the rom with gps without 6.1
it was nice but i love 6.1 even with the memory leak, i dont worry about memory anymore. since it runs mad fast even with 1 meg free.
true about it running faster and smoother.... but still texting takes for ever when i only have 7 megs free... I guess ill just quit my B%#@#ing and wait for the fix...
I'm not running DCD's ROM but my memory usage is at 8.69MB free right now with no2chem's 5046 build and I'm running Opera Mini, Google Maps with GPS turned on and activated, PIE, and a few other things...
I wouldn't really worry about the memory getting low with WM6.1 - it manages the memory much better and the only program to throw an out of memory message for me has been NetFront 3.5 concept version on a huge site (like my Myspace page, lol)
hmm, how does one clean a memory leak, cat litter?
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I don't think it's HTChome... cause i have the new nexvision rom, and its not even included. But after about three hours im down to 4 or 5 megs free.... Even when i turn my mogul on it only has about 16 or 17... Anyone figure out a fix for this?
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I've gotten really bad memory leaks on DCD's 2.2.6, NexVisions hybrid, and No2Chem's 2.0
DCD's 2.2.0 seems to be treating me really well, and is also 6.1, so maybe try that one.
Good luck!
i have been using dcd 2.2.1 to build some of the roms with htc home 2.1 the memory leak is not bad at all im going on two days with no resets , and 14 megs left.
kmartburrito said:
I've gotten really bad memory leaks on DCD's 2.2.6, NexVisions hybrid, and No2Chem's 2.0
DCD's 2.2.0 seems to be treating me really well, and is also 6.1, so maybe try that one.
Good luck!
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could you post up 2.2.0 (megaupload rapidshare etc) no ones been able to post it up yet for Srpint, only seend the verizon one left. im having big RAM problems with 2.2.6, only 17.5 on reset and goes down below 12 leaving me unable to use Igo and other programs.
I had to go back to DCDs new rom because I had like 5 hudge problems within 2 days using NexVisions Sprint roms. I firmly believe the leak is caused by the notifications button flashing over the organiser button that had been freezing my device non stop.
After a soft reset I'm at about 17 megs. At the end of the day I'm at about 6megs, but everything still runs very smoothly. As of now it's just all numbers.
problem is its not just number. certain programs refuse to open without a certain amount of free memory (opera, miomaps/igo particularly says it needs 12). They will pop-up a box that says error needs 12mb to run free up memory and crash out. During a program it may crash the program and error out. thats a BIG deal
so by that theory HTC should refund my $125-150 for my gps software because their phone supposedly "manages memory efficiently" even though it may run smoothly because software made for the OS wont run most of the time except after soft reset. Even though for a few dollars more per unit tops, they could have made it 128mb.
were talking a $550 PDA that cant run software made for its OS because of a limitation made by the manufacturer. So its much more than "just a number" when were talking power users. Sure people who run the stock software or google maps wont have problems. But "power users" will run into those issues.
thats my MAJOR issue with it. I also refuse to buy another program for over $100 because the manufacturer made a shotty phone
klmsu19 said:
so by that theory HTC should refund my $125-150 for my gps software because their phone supposedly "manages memory efficiently" even though it may run smoothly because software made for the OS wont run most of the time except after soft reset.
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thats my MAJOR issue with it. I also refuse to buy another program for over $100 because the manufacturer made a shotty phone
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bummer... Worked fine for me with the stock Telus ROMs (WM5 and then 6), DCD's 1.6.10 and then passably with DCD 2.1.
Sure, it would have been nice to have more installed memory, but it was never advertised as such and most of us happily manage.
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im having big RAM problems with 2.2.6
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Sucks to be you for thinking that you may feel warranted to complain to the manufacturer for your experimental use of alpha/beta and hacked ROMs for your phone. Considered going back to stable releases? DCD 1.6.10 is rather rock solid. No GPS with that? A bummer again. Expect potential trade offs when you wish to hack your phone for unreleased features.
Sadly, some people demand it all and now -- without any pain.
Maybe you should return your phone? Or first ensure that you are using a stock release without ANY extra software. Something is causing you dilemma.
klmsu19 said:
problem is its not just number. certain programs refuse to open without a certain amount of free memory (opera, miomaps/igo particularly says it needs 12). They will pop-up a box that says error needs 12mb to run free up memory and crash out. During a program it may crash the program and error out. thats a BIG deal
so by that theory HTC should refund my $125-150 for my gps software because their phone supposedly "manages memory efficiently" even though it may run smoothly because software made for the OS wont run most of the time except after soft reset. Even though for a few dollars more per unit tops, they could have made it 128mb.
were talking a $550 PDA that cant run software made for its OS because of a limitation made by the manufacturer. So its much more than "just a number" when were talking power users. Sure people who run the stock software or google maps wont have problems. But "power users" will run into those issues.
thats my MAJOR issue with it. I also refuse to buy another program for over $100 because the manufacturer made a shotty phone
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Go back to the stock ROM then and quit using beta products.
32M at boot I am running numerous apps and no problems......smooth and fast......I had 7 apps open at once and it ran them no problem....Skyfire, messaging, etc.......I have TL loaded and still sit at 25-26M....this is by far the best ROM I have run and it is not finished yet.....the camera is not loaded until NO2Chem finishes working on it....if your looking for memory....this is for you!!!!!
is the bluetooth working on it? also, what is the link for it?
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he has a fix for bluetooth, and here is the link. you must donate to download.
http://www.nuerom.com/BlogEngine/
Sweet... I will wait till Someone finishes beta testing right now the release is only for Sprint Users and not for Verizon users.... I am looking foward when they have a verizon release.
Can you upload the newest No2chem rom, please?
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Can you upload the newest No2chem rom, please?
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lol...no....he said finals will be available for all, but beta builds for those who donate.....if you really want to try it, give him a buck. for all he has done for this device...people should really donate....
I just went up there and only see 6096-3pre1. Is that the rom you are talking about. Also,is it true these will work on Sprint only?
Donate, it is well worth it. Even if its only a small amount, it helps him out alot. and 3pre1 is the latest release. it is a very very stripped down version of wm but it works wonderfully. I can actually do stuff on my mogul now. Biggest noticable loss is no more camera, but he is working on that. IMO, best rom out there right now. Hands down. worth any penny in donations. I plan on donating more when i have the money to
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I just went up there and only see 6096-3pre1. Is that the rom you are talking about. Also,is it true these will work on Sprint only?
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works on my verizon got my internet and my vzw stuff
its an impressive beta release but no nuetools *sniffs*
just installed this. the screen switch is REALLY quick. my jawbone works nicely as well.
gmaps/voice command are fast too.
I have Mogul/2.47/3.42.50 & 2.04_003 w/ 60711
I donated, downloaded, and flashed. It's got a lot of memory available, but it's still buggy.
I went back to dcd 3.2.6, which also has good memory and is much less buggy with a working camera.
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I donated, downloaded, and flashed. It's got a lot of memory available, but it's still buggy.
I went back to dcd 3.2.6, which also has good memory and is much less buggy with a working camera.
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Can you elaborate as to what exactly was buggy?
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I donated, downloaded, and flashed. It's got a lot of memory available, but it's still buggy.
I went back to dcd 3.2.6, which also has good memory and is much less buggy with a working camera.
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What is buggy? I have mine loaded up with apps and have no issues at all...I had a scrolling issue where it kept scrolling on its own once....that was I first installed everything which was much earlier in the day.....been running 8-10 hours with no more issues at all.....
I flashed preview 1 last night, pulled out battery, put it back in, loaded my apps, and it ran like sh*t all day today. Great memory but very slow, buggy, half of my programs didn't work, and the battery life was terrible.
Since everyone else seemed to be having a grand time with it, I figured it was my error, and of course it was.
All it took was another hard reset, reinstall, now it runs like a charm
I've always heard people talk about these complex post-flashing rituals, but I figured it wasn't necessary. Well i guess it is a good idea to pull the battery, AND hard reset after a flash after all.
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What is buggy? I have mine loaded up with apps and have no issues at all...I had a scrolling issue where it kept scrolling on its own once....that was I first installed everything which was much earlier in the day.....been running 8-10 hours with no more issues at all.....
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The on-screen keyboard is buggy, you can't see the bottom row of characters.
I think enlarge start menu caused some problems with weirdness in the start menu.
I'm not a fan of the stock dialer, and when I tried to cab install the vogue dialer, the icon for call history was transparent to the today screen.
It seemed to run slower than dcd's rom after I added all my usual programs, even though I had more ram available.
I did not build from the kitchen, just added cabs to the pre-build, so maybe a kitchen build would be more stable. It could also be some non-compatable program that added overall bugginess.
Obviously no camera is kind of a bummer, even though i don't really use the camera all that much anyways.
Overall, I'd say it's a big step forward, and is groundbreaking in some ways. However, I still feel that today, dcd 3.2.6 is overall a more solid rom.
Sprint Users Only? Not really
Per No2Chem, the flash-ready rom is for Sprint. But the kitchen allows you to choose any carrier. I built mine from the kitchen. It took a little time to figure out how to use the kitchen and I can explain if someone needs helps.
Adjust OOM...?
Does anyone know what the 2 "Adjust OOM" options do in the nueROM3 kitchen?
I tried to find answers before posting but was unsuccessful. I just figured since the kitchen and rom itself were so stripped down, that No2Chem would not have made it a point to include them if they were useless, so yesterday I just checked them both and my phone seems fine so far...
Also - I tried posting this question on http://www.nuerom.com but when I hit "save comment" it just sits there and does not actually submit my post. Maybe I'm not signed there? is the login different than the donator login?
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The on-screen keyboard is buggy, you can't see the bottom row of characters.
I think enlarge start menu caused some problems with weirdness in the start menu.
I'm not a fan of the stock dialer, and when I tried to cab install the vogue dialer, the icon for call history was transparent to the today screen.
It seemed to run slower than dcd's rom after I added all my usual programs, even though I had more ram available.
I did not build from the kitchen, just added cabs to the pre-build, so maybe a kitchen build would be more stable. It could also be some non-compatable program that added overall bugginess.
Obviously no camera is kind of a bummer, even though i don't really use the camera all that much anyways.
Overall, I'd say it's a big step forward, and is groundbreaking in some ways. However, I still feel that today, dcd 3.2.6 is overall a more solid rom.
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1...on screen keyboard issue yes...
2 I am runnning Quick menu
3 I am running the Minimal dialer with no probs...
4. In my opinion it is the fatest rom I have used outside of JD's ROM
5. I added all of my apps and regedits through SASHAMI......and added a few OEM's through NuePackage installer.....
6 Camera is an ssue but he is working on that and I knew there was no camera before flashing....I know no camera is a deal breaker for now.....
It is a pre-release but I am sure it will all be working fine when the final build is done....but mine seems to be running fine really....
I am running my setup with WAD and WA3 as startup, usually always a slow go on my titan. I boot up with 27+mb of memory. I set my pagepool at 10 when i made the rom and am very happy. pre0 was a deal breaker for me cause he didn't have working bluetooth. But now that its in the rom again, i couldn't be happier.
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Does anyone know what the 2 "Adjust OOM" options do in the nueROM3 kitchen?
I tried to find answers before posting but was unsuccessful. I just figured since the kitchen and rom itself were so stripped down, that No2Chem would not have made it a point to include them if they were useless, so yesterday I just checked them both and my phone seems fine so far...
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It has to do with the "Out Of Memory" in windows mobile. (see here http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms911907.aspx) Changing that basically adjust the way WinMo handles OOM's. By lowering the threshold, WinMo doesn't close down apps as eagerly as normal.
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I also must add that having the extra RAM makes this phone an entirely different beast for me. iGO8 and Opera Mobile 9.5 caused some issues before due to how RAM hungry they are. Now, they are not a problem. But not having the camera is kind of a bummer, and the keyboard is horrible . But I will continue testing because this has MAJOR potential
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Per No2Chem, the flash-ready rom is for Sprint. But the kitchen allows you to choose any carrier. I built mine from the kitchen. It took a little time to figure out how to use the kitchen and I can explain if someone needs helps.
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I would love to try it - please do explain or pm me!
What rom do you consider is the best rom out there? fast? reliable? tons of apps? cool mods? balanced?
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What rom do you consider is the best rom out there? fast? reliable? tons of apps? cool mods? balanced?
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Would a rom flash be safe on a sprint phone?
its worked before so why not now, i just dont want to be the first lol
okay so ive never posted b4, but been here for a few months, so here goes.... over at ppcgeeks, and i hate to put that up on xda but, they have a few nice custom roms and the ppckitchen is now updated with the herman=cdma touchpro, for them i guess?, and a few vga apps... im currently using jakedillards "jd" custom rom and have noticed an extreme improvement over stock with tf3d off its like using my desktop, also he has a diff build of manila on it... i know it says he removed it but it was on there after i flashed... i also saw a 24 page pool rom that im going to try out tomorrow
kaos over @ smartphonejunkie.com is dropping a tight one
yay4jayy's on ppcgeeks. slim down. fast!!
The Best so far is JD's @ ppcgeeks!!!
JD with 22pp
so i tried out the 24 page pool i and didnt c any diff.. and then used the ppcgeeks kitchen to build my own and it was about the same... but 22 to 24 seems to be a sweet # for page poolling... and i knew it was going to be a much faster phone comming from the titan/mogul but wow with the sprint crap gone and the latest htc manila build on it... its smoking fast....
but i am having a lot of heat comming off my phone, like my own personal hand warmer... any 1 else notice this?
gabemeyers said:
so i tried out the 24 page pool i and didnt c any diff.. and then used the ppcgeeks kitchen to build my own and it was about the same... but 22 to 24 seems to be a sweet # for page poolling... and i knew it was going to be a much faster phone comming from the titan/mogul but wow with the sprint crap gone and the latest htc manila build on it... its smoking fast....
but i am having a lot of heat comming off my phone, like my own personal hand warmer... any 1 else notice this?
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that heat also isn't good for your battery. The warmer a battery is, the faster it drains
Is it possible to keep some of the Sprint stuff? I like the Sprint turn by turn navigation since I have the Everything plan, it's included. I would prefer to keep that functionality if I could.
Otherwise Sprint Music and Sprint TV seem to be useless and I don't care for any of their other modifications.
LennySh and Astainhellbring (as part of the elite team) are developing the elite ROM for CDMA, ofcourse the thread is over at ppcgeeks
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that heat also isn't good for your battery. The warmer a battery is, the faster it drains
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Yeah I have noticed excessive heat also, especially when heavy cpu load ie installing software or when using wifi. My mogul got hot when using wifi also, but not as bad as the touch pro.
It is not unbearable at the moment, but it could get painful during the hot and humid summer months here in TX. I'm sure I will deal with it though since the touch pro is so much better than the mogul in every other way possible =)
is it me, or is it everyone here??
i never liked CDMA i always had GSM, especial that i travel to the Middle East (Jordan) once a year for a month.
i always thought CDMA was old tech, i still do.
for X-mas i wanted a touch pro, AT&T wanted $750 deposit (which by the way is more than the deposit i put on the apartment i rent, and my rent every month is $1500) so money is low, i check out sprint.
they had the best plan for the money, $99 for simply EVERYTHING, including Navigation.
so my girlfriend bought me one at Best Buy for $199 and sprint approved me for 2 lines with no deposit.
signal here in Southern California (Orange County) is actually not bad.
ran a speed test on EVDO where i live and i got 1.6Mbs which is really cool considering i had a TYTN II on T-mobile's EDGE.
so i open XDA so i can customize this bad boy, and there isn't many ROMS to choose from, so i did the customization using apps and tweaks and the phone runs flawless, 3 days not even 1 reset
and trust me i run everything on the phone from Excel, to media to youtube to qik, Skype is running all day by the way.
i used to use TomTom on my Kaiser but i dont think i need it now with Telenav
so is the stock ROM fast enough for every one here??
i am very happy with the phone, TouchFlo 3D runs very smooth
no complaints except the fact that i cannot do DATA and Voice at the same time, too bad i guess thats why theres Skype, now i wish they would allow video calling!!
Moe
I've had this phone for about 2 weeks now & I have to say that the stock ROM seems good enough for me as well. Coming from a Tmo Wing I'm extremely pleased @ what this phone can accomplish with the stock ROM. I'm sure that I will flash a cooked ROM sooner or later (as I did many times with my Wing) & I am guessing that the new ROM can only make things better.
By the way, how did you get speedtest to run on your phone (always been curious about that)?
mrbelvedere said:
By the way, how did you get speedtest to run on your phone (always been curious about that)?
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http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed
i also used my laptop to go on speedtest.net while connected to my touch pro through usb and Internet connection sharing, it wont work on its own cuz sprint doesnt want u to tether but there is hack here somewhere that lets u do it!
CDMA is old tech? Huh?
As for the original question, yep I think the Sprint ROM is pretty darn good, considering. Do the cache tweaks and it's pretty responsive and smooth.
Haven't yet felt the need to find another.
My Sprint Touch Pro with stock ROM is fast enough and works well enough that I'm completely satisfied with it. Would it work better with a tweaked ROM? Maybe, but I don't care. As I already noted, my phone works well enough and I'm not one to fix things that aren't broke. That, and I've already had my fill of problems with tweaked ROMs.
As for Sprint's features versus the other carriers, the people I know who carry a TP or Fuse from the competition all seem to be a little miffed by the fact that their phones don't include as many features as the Sprint TP.
I should also add that I live and work in Orange County, CA and have an Everything plan too.
Pete
dr g said:
Do the cache tweaks and it's pretty responsive and smooth.
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Can you post a link to these "cache tweaks"?
Thanx.
Pete
PGRtoo said:
Can you post a link to these "cache tweaks"?
Thanx.
Pete
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http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=41770
First three items
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I agree that after the tweaks my sprint stock rom is speedy and crash proof. I love it
I actually just flashed my Sprint TP for the first time to a ROM I made through PPCKitchen. It's a little quicker and TF3D is a little smoother as well, but I don't think it was worth the trouble to get the minor (at best) boost in performance.
I did the few tweaks and have zero problems with the stock Sprint ROM. I've been with sprint for almost 6 years and with the exception of about 5 dead spots (all carriers have the same ones here in Cleveland) no problems. This is probably one of the best devices I've had from sprint.
Come to the light!
After upgrading from an AT&T Tilt that I was using with T-Mobile service, I was convinced the Sprint stock TP ROM was pretty darn good as well (I flashed/customized the crap out of my old Tilt).
I ended up keeping the stock Sprint ROM for about three months until today, I flashed the MightyROM and let me just say OMGWTFGTFOBBQ!!!
This is FCKING AMAZING!
But I figured since there are some people here still running the stock ROM, would anyone be willing to post the stock wallpapers from the Sprint ROM I forgot to copy them to my SD card before I re-flashed and there were a couple that I really liked, and I don't want to have to re-flash the stock ROM just to get those backgrounds...
There were two in particular that I really want, one was a fire-flower and the other was a bright green vine/plant on a white background.
MAD MAD MAD props to anyone who would be willing to post those up for me!
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There were two in particular that I really want, one was a fire-flower and the other was a bright green vine/plant on a white background.
MAD MAD MAD props to anyone who would be willing to post those up for me!
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Hope that helps
My hero!
That's awesome! Thanks a ton.
yet another example of why I love xda-devs!
thanks again!
B
Sprint stock rom good enough??
Has anyone tried this one from ppcgeeks.com ?
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=61966
This is supposed to work with the new touch flow 2 being developed by
XBoxMod. It looks promising
mrfett79 said:
Has anyone tried this one from ppcgeeks.com ?
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=61966
This is supposed to work with the new touch flow 2 being developed by
XBoxMod. It looks promising
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Juicy 6 is the bomb, if you want to run Rhodium.
stock ROM
When I first got the phone I was really frusterated with it. I was coming from a Motorola razor.. so u can imagine... A friend has the Fuze and he showed me how cool you could make it, I started reading this site and ppc and was doing all kinds of customizations and tried out many different ROMS, I had some issues along the way but nothing I wasnt able to fix, but then I started noticing that When I texted or used my e-mail, my keyboard was lagging real bad, and it would consistantly tyyyypppeeee the same letter over again... un usable! and the on screen key pad is real small.. I had to use the stylus to text or e-mail. I tried all the supposed cab fixes out there, and I reflashed to two different ROMs .. and back to Sprint ROM.. NOTHING worked. I was so pissed! y buy a phone with a keyboard if you cant use it... (ill take part of the blaime though.... messing with it)
Sprint sent me new one and keyboard is fine... Im sooooo scared to change ANYTHING on it now, But I think part of the fun with these phones is being able to try new things and customize it the way that you want it.
I dont know what to do ... risk trying to find a good rom that wont mess with the crucial pieces of my phone, or just trying to find good cab files to customize it... I mean in reality the sprint Rom is plenty fast. but There are so many features that it lacks....
I think the latest Sprint Stock ROM for the Touch Pro is good. But I must say, after trying some custom ROMs, they only improve upon an already good thing. For Rhodium Manila, I recommend StarROM, version 1.6a or 1.7m are in my opinion better than Juicy 7. Because with StarROM, you can make calls from Manila.
there are plenty of cdma roms over on ppcgeeks
I have a question for all those guys that make a big deal about having their phone upgraded to ICS or JB. I would like to know what is the big difference or a feature that would make my phone Atrix that's stuck on GB so special? I mean, I can run any browser I want except maybe chrome, I can run any email app and watch and listen to music just like on upgraded phone... oh and lets not forget I can still make phone calls. Have I been living under a rock or do you know something I don't? Please let me know
Thanks for your time.
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I have a question for all those guys that make a big deal about having their phone upgraded to ICS or JB. I would like to know what is the big difference or a feature that would make my phone Atrix that's stuck on GB so special? I mean, I can run any browser I want except maybe chrome, I can run any email app and watch and listen to music just like on upgraded phone... oh and lets not forget I can still make phone calls. Have I been living under a rock or do you know something I don't? Please let me know
Thanks for your time.
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Well firstly, ICS/JB is soo much smoother and much more asthetically pleasing. Many more people prefer ICS/JB and they are entitled to their own opinions.
Also, many people are angry at MotoFail because they promised us ICS and did not deliver. This is what has caused most of the outrage.
Well, yes I'm mad myself that they did not upgrade my $600 phone. BTW I'm using GO Launcher so my phone still looks pretty good and I can't complain about not being smooth. If this is it, it ain't that bad.
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Well firstly, ICS/JB is soo much smoother and much more asthetically pleasing. Many more people prefer ICS/JB and they are entitled to their own opinions.
Also, many people are angry at MotoFail because they promised us ICS and did not deliver. This is what has caused most of the outrage.
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Google Now & Project Butter
erikmarko said:
I mean, I can run any browser I want except maybe chrome, I can run any email app and watch and listen to music just like on upgraded phone... oh and lets not forget I can still make phone calls. Have I been living under a rock or do you know something I don't?
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Yes, for now most applications support GB, but as percentage of ICS/JB will grow, more and more application developers will dump GB support. There are some bugs in GB that are not fixed and probably won't be ever fixed, so some developers make workaround for them, some don't, so you can stumble upon one of those if you are 'lucky'. Most of new applications are primarily targeting new ICS interface with Action Bar, so they support GB with third party Action Bar library which also has a lot of bugs, some application features could be disabled because it is hard or impossible to implement them in GB. And things will get worse...
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Google Now & Project Butter
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I agree, these two things may seem small, but going back from CM10.1 to CM7 makes it feel like my phone is very slow (although I'm sure this is more of a perception than a real difference).
ICS and JB bring UI enhancements. More importantly, there are apps that only work on ICS and above and will never be backported, Which apps are important to users, depends on the user. For instance, Brighthouse and TWC have cable apps that only work on ICS and above. And as time goes by, you'll find more and more newer apps will require ICS and later, especially since ICS itself was released 16 months ago.
But you're right, you can still make phone calls and you can still use 2 year old apps. But if all you care about is using just a phone, you can get one without paying for a smartphone plan for a hell of a lot less money. And while it's unrealistic to have the latest greatest software at all times for the term of the contract, the device at least should not be obsolete before the ink dries on that contract. While the device still mostly works as it did when it was new, the actual resale value has plummeted since the ICS update cancellation announcement, so much so that a decent protective case costs more than what the device is currently worth.
So when it comes to why people make such a fuss about ICS, aside from the cancelled update, and aside from all the marketing hype that went into the device that got people to buy it in the first place, and aside from the fact that ICS and JB are that much better or they wouldn't be considered updates/upgrades, some people like to at least be a little current. After all, why go buy a new computer when people will give you an old one running windows 3.11 for free? Who knows, maybe you can find an old Univac somewhere. While we're at it, why use anything new at all when we can go back to wearing animal hides and banging rocks together to make tools.
I should tell you about the security vulnerabilities as well, but I'm not going to. Sometimes the lesson becomes more valuable when the person learns on their own, even if it's with some rogue dialer hooking you up with one of those $100/minute pay per call lines like back in the days of dialup.
erikmarko said:
Well, yes I'm mad myself that they did not upgrade my $600 phone. BTW I'm using GO Launcher so my phone still looks pretty good and I can't complain about not being smooth. If this is it, it ain't that bad.
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Go Launcher is smooth only after first one or two clicks. It has many advantages like foldering but for the smoothness, i dont think so.
What pisses me off about GB is notification bar pull-down. Sometimes it gets damn so laggy and slow.
Google Now, Multiple GTalk logins, stable push connection, data counter/limiter, better app support, interface that's easier to use and navigate, faster, and many other improvements.
Stable push connection is the one that really made me not want to go back. When I'm on mobile data on GB it would disconnect every 4-5 minutes, and then wait for a few minutes before reconnecting, and then disconnect again after another 4-5 minutes, ad infinitum. I can't tell you how many times I've been frustrated seeing gray status bar icons instead of green ones. And the fact that GB's push mail & market is dependent on the gtalk service doesn't help.
Gray icons? No gtalk messages, no mail, no downloading from the market.
Signed out of gtalk? No mail, no downloading from the market.
It was frustrating...
I don't care about staying in gb, imo the problem is that there are apps made only for 4.x+ and in a close future gb will be definitely dead.
Sent from my MB860
I bought this phone 9 months ago for 300€, even a Lapdock (120€), and I hear that ICS won't be delivered by Moto and my digitizer starts glitching (A full zone of the screen). Now my phone is unlocked the warrantly is void. This is what makes me angry.
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I bought this phone 9 months ago for 300€, even a Lapdock (120€), and I hear that ICS won't be delivered by Moto and my digitizer starts glitching (A full zone of the screen). Now my phone is unlocked the warrantly is void. This is what makes me angry.
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I'm surprised that Motorola hasn't recognized the digitizer problem. Too many people are affected by it.
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The digitizer doesn't mean much to them. The device is 2 years old and they stopped caring long ago.
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Yes I fixed mine for 33 bucks works sweet now just have to get a good. Screen took 3 of them to get 1 good one only payed for 1..
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I think you guys are exaggerating a little bit. I mean I went to the store and played with phones that run JB and my old Atrix is pretty much just as smooth. I can play Youtube videos in 1080p no problem. And Google Now... do I really need it? I mean I don't live in my phone or on facebook like some of you hard core cell phone users. Balintmaci what did you notice that was so special when browsing on JB OS? Im using Opera browser and it runs pretty fast.
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smoothness, many apps, YouTube in 720p for instance. hardware acceleration makes it WAY faster. you can not compare the browsing experience... Google now. that's just what I can think of in a few seconds... i believe that's more than enough.
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Less reboots/stability
My stock FY/GB Atrix rebooted randomly a lot. It's the whole reason I looked into roots and ROMs in the first place.
I rooted...unlocked...and put epinters CM10 on my Atrix cuz Motorola said I couldn't!
Haha... good for you mister. Now I'm a total newbe so pardon the stupid question. When you guys flash roms to CMx... ie ICS or JB does this allow you to download and install apps that require that OS from play store?
blueglide said:
I rooted...unlocked...and put epinters CM10 on my Atrix cuz Motorola said I couldn't!
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tacarat said:
My stock FY/GB Atrix rebooted randomly a lot. It's the whole reason I looked into roots and ROMs in the first place.
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Same. Got the device in September of 2011 from local AT&T store, in October it started randomly rebooting, even after several factory resets. Between that and the unified messenger spam, I was not impressed.
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Haha... good for you mister. Now I'm a total newbe so pardon the stupid question. When you guys flash roms to CMx... ie ICS or JB does this allow you to download and install apps that require that OS from play store?
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Yes...and I can flash back to a GB rom anytime I want. I prefer the JB rom without all the bloatware and epinters rom is very good.