Hi all,
There's no doubt that the Touch Pro/Fuze GPS is lagging. I was comparing it with my imate 8502 today and doing a side by side test, the Fuze is consistently at least 1 second behind. This is confirmed not only by looking at the map, but also at the GPS coordinate. The imate 8502 is quite accurate.
The question is, imate uses the same qualcomm chipset as the fuze. Is it possible to extract the imate driver to try in Fuze? I'm willing to do it if I can get some directions on how to proceed.
bro, your complaining about 1 second....... 1 second.... i think that's the least of your worries
v6ttgnx said:
bro, your complaining about 1 second....... 1 second.... i think that's the least of your worries
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Umm.. when you are driving at 75mph, 1 second is some distance. Furthermore, the GPS lock is unreliable, sometimes it would lock in and sometimes it just wouldn't. It's inconsistent.
Don't you want your Touch Pro GPS to work flawlessly?
Please post a link to an official RUU upgrader for the imate containing the drivers you are referring to. I will port them and see if they are compatible and affect our issue.
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Please post a link to an official RUU upgrader for the imate containing the drivers you are referring to. I will port them and see if they are compatible and affect our issue.
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I'm uploading it to RS right now. Imate also requires a special 'update code' that's printed on the box to upgrade their rom. I'll PM you the code when I have the upload link available. Thanks!
sooby77 said:
Umm.. when you are driving at 75mph, 1 second is some distance. Furthermore, the GPS lock is unreliable, sometimes it would lock in and sometimes it just wouldn't. It's inconsistent.
Don't you want your Touch Pro GPS to work flawlessly?
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do you make a turn with 75mph?
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do you make a turn with 75mph?
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Good question, heh. But seriously, a second difference when you're using GPS navigation is a long time, especially on congested streets of a large city.
I'm all in favor of something that reduces the lag, reduces the fix time, and increases accuracy.
What am I going to have to do? Carry my old BT GPS with me, as well as my Fuze? That sucks.
I don't even think "nessesity" is the issue here. All of us just spent at least 300 dollars on this thing.... We want it to work perfectly! I've been waiting for the do it all gps/wifi/bluetooth/wm/speakerphone/washthedishes phone for quite a while - and I expect ALOT out of it. GPS is one of my main concerns; and I've been searching these forums for a week now trying to improve it... so yes, 1 second is enough to worry about. In fact - I can't get any fix - and that's even more to worry about. If you guys are sucessful please pm me to let me know the files up.
Thanks,
BZ.
I have examined the imate 8502 drivers, unfortunatly they use an entirely different method of communicating with the GPS hardware than the HTC drivers, in such a way that a large amount of drivers would need to replaced (as driver xxx is dependant on driver yyy, and so forth)
So far I have not had success booting up with the imate drivers loaded. But am continuing to work on it
Main problem is differing OS driver design. On Raphael, rilphone.dll provides interface to Radio ROM, gps driver sits on top of RIL and provides communication between RIL and HTC GPS Intermediate Driver. On imate, TaiServer.dll provides RIL, gps daemon provides communication between taiserver and stock microsoft GPSID.
So, not sure how lucky we are going to be porting those drivers, as much of HTC's software is based on communication with rilphone.dll, and those apps will all break.
Da_G, I want to thank you for releasing such crucial drivers. Lots of ROM chefs have used your great driver extracts and you should get a credit on all their ROMs. Great job you are doing.
I was wondering, could you give your take on the Raphael video drivers? What is the main problem with them and what's keeping us from using Raphael's video hardware to its full potential?
No sweat, I don't do it for credit, I do it to get better use out of the device I paid good money for And learning. Knowledge is power! Spread the wealth! So forth and so on!
Anyway, moving along..
I have tested raph driver 1.43 (xperia), 1.90, 1.95, and blackstone 2008.6.25
Performance goes as such from best to worse: 1.95, 1.90, 1.43, blackstone
There is much potential optmization to be done in regards to the video chipset, but the simple fact of the matter appears to be that the optmization was not done. For example, with the 3d drivers, some roms include hardware support (d3dm_ati.dll) and some use the microsoft reference drivers (equivilant to software rendering on the PC), some use the HTC reference drivers (again software rendering but optimized for performance)
Problem with video playback and 2d interface functions is that only very basic acceleration is included, advanced acceleration features are simply not coded in to the driver. Unfortunatly on my end there isnt much to be done, either we get our hands on drivers not coded by htc (like the imate drivers) and try and port the entire set (not terribly likely to work), or we get our hands on some HTC coded drivers that include proper acceleration support, and drop them in as replacement for current drivers. Adding in the features ourselves is not practical without source code and chipset documentation.
So for the moment, in regards to video drivers, the best we can do is to keep an eye out for phones with similar chipsets (qc msm7xxxx)
Best performance I have seen out of any combination of the drivers is roughly what pfcsabre shows here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448268 give or take. That's with the 1.95 driver w/1.43 HTCmdp.dll
Rest assured i'll be dismantling every ROM i can get my hands on with a similar chipset, looking at the graphics drivers
Da_G said:
No sweat, I don't do it for credit, I do it to get better use out of the device I paid good money for And learning. Knowledge is power! Spread the wealth! So forth and so on!
Anyway, moving along..
I have tested raph driver 1.43 (xperia), 1.90, 1.95, and blackstone 2008.6.25
Performance goes as such from best to worse: 1.95, 1.90, 1.43, blackstone
There is much potential optmization to be done in regards to the video chipset, but the simple fact of the matter appears to be that the optmization was not done. For example, with the 3d drivers, some roms include hardware support (d3dm_ati.dll) and some use the microsoft reference drivers (equivilant to software rendering on the PC), some use the HTC reference drivers (again software rendering but optimized for performance)
Problem with video playback and 2d interface functions is that only very basic acceleration is included, advanced acceleration features are simply not coded in to the driver. Unfortunatly on my end there isnt much to be done, either we get our hands on drivers not coded by htc (like the imate drivers) and try and port the entire set (not terribly likely to work), or we get our hands on some HTC coded drivers that include proper acceleration support, and drop them in as replacement for current drivers. Adding in the features ourselves is not practical without source code and chipset documentation.
So for the moment, in regards to video drivers, the best we can do is to keep an eye out for phones with similar chipsets (qc msm7xxxx)
Best performance I have seen out of any combination of the drivers is roughly what pfcsabre shows here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448268 give or take. That's with the 1.95 driver w/blackstone ahi2dati.dll.
Rest assured i'll be dismantling every ROM i can get my hands on with a similar chipset, looking at the graphics drivers
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Very interesting Da_G. Yours is the clearest explanation of the video driver problem I have read. I will definitely watch your posts to see what you come up with. Your work at xda is really appreciated
I just want to thank Da_G for even trying. You know we all appreciate and continue to support your work!
I wanted to add another strange observation of mine regarding the GPS. I use Garmin XT on my Fuze and I notice that the signal bar strength is DIFFERENT if I connect directly to the com port vs going through the Intermediate Driver. The direct com port connection usually yield stronger signal (as displayed by longer bars), and also produces random spikes on some of the bars. With the Intermediate Driver, the signal seems low and 'smoothed' out.
Don't know what's going on...
I just came back from Hong Kong and I have several GPS problems with my Fuze. They really need to fix this thing!
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Hello everybody
I have been reading on this forum for some time now, and I understand the update process, including unlocking, its all great.
However, Im at a loss - I have no idea what I have to gain from upgrading my ROM.
I currently have an untouched T-Mobile Vario II with bootloader 1.04, hardware vesion (?) 634.
My friend has just recieved his Vario II, v646.
Everyones talking about using ROMs from other providers, but I've yet to read anything substantial about whats to be gained from switching or upgrading ROMs.
What CAN actually be changed by changing ROMs? For example, T-Mobile have been kind enough to bundle my device with a free registered version of 'Spb GPRS Monitor' - it monitors GPRS/3G and battery power, plus providing a useful bar on the today screen. it's very useful and I wouldn't want to lose it should I decide to gamble on a ROM update that provides nothing nearly as useful.
I have identified several short comings of my devide, not the least of which is the fact that it intermittantly skips every 30+ seconds when playing music through my stereo bluetooth earphones. I imagine that some kind of update will be required to fix this, as it seems to be a problem for only certain version of the device - the Vario II being the obvious.
I have also decided that I would like to try other graphic themes. Before I have a go at making my own I thought it might be nice to try some existing ones...
There are lots of hardware/radio versions published, but unless I've missed it theres very little talk about what the ROMs provide.
Cheers very much for all your help thus far, and in advance for anything else you might be able to help me with!
lets make this a simple one.. if you are happy with the device the way it is then there is nothing to change... kinda like the old saying, "If it aint broke then dont fix it"
If there are things you are looking to change then maybe post your problems here and we can tell you if you would benefit from changing roms!
I have the universal and purchased the hermes for size and HSDPA / UMTS improvements.
The universal was upgraded and hacked many times.
However, I cant see an upgrade rom hack that is available at all here for the hermes yet.
Can anybody confirm a WWE 3.x Rom upgrade being available? Mine is Imate, but I am not particularly loyal in any way, but would like more reliable Push Email, and the speed improvements that occur with 3.x
To the moderator, you cant really say if it aint broke dont fix it, cause quite often, you dont know if it is broken until you start to fix something, and you dont know if something is faster, better, more efficient, more effective, or provides improvements in functionality until a question is asked.
Its a bit like me taking my car to a mechanic, they always ask if everything is fine, it always is, but they always call me up and tell me that this isnt working, this needs fixing, and this is about to broke... You can triple the cost if you would like us to fix it.
You didnt know until somebody points out the improvements and benefits.
So, I would like the initial question answered as well, if somebody is prepared to give an explanation and some guidance.
Here's some upgrading facts for you:
There is no AKU 3.x ROM available for the Hermes yet.
Due to a new encryption strategy, ROMS take 25 minutes to flash. Any interruptions during this time may brick your device.
Also due to the above encryption strategy, we are not yet able to cook our own custom ROMS for the Hermes.
Boot Loader v1.04 which shipped with most of the early ROMs contains a bug which allows easy bypassing of CID lock. However subsequent bootloaders fix this problem and will CID lock you to your original vendor. The only crossgrade solution is to first downgrade to a BL1.04 version of your vendor's ROM then exploit the bug to load another. Device owners without a 1.04BL version of their ROM have consequently been unable to crossgrade/unlock their Hermes.
There is a bootleg solution that will flash BL1.04 on any Hermes while leaving the rest of the ROM untouched. However, it isn't available here. In fact the original owner of it's copyrighted code actively pursues anybody who posts this solution on the internet. Consequently, it's worldwide availability is constantly changing
There is a CID/SIM unlock solution by pof that is posted here which works with the 1.04 Bootloader only
The more current ROMS for the DoPod, TyTN and 8525 contain measured performance improvements
The most current radio rom (v1.20) improves battery performance
Most of the newer roms fix a media player audio stutter bug
Getting a combination of the most current radio ROM and the most current device ROM involves 40-60 minutes of flashing time and the use of the bootleg BL1.04 solution described above.
HTH!
Thanks sleuth255 for taking the time to answer comprehensively.
I am really only interested in upgrading to 3.x and will wait and see how things transpire. There was major benefits to the universal upgrade to 3.x however, the hermes doesnt appear to suffer the speed issues of the universal and I am so far very happy with the device.
jubbbird said:
Hello everybody
I have identified several short comings of my devide, not the least of which is the fact that it intermittantly skips every 30+ seconds when playing music through my stereo bluetooth earphones. I imagine that some kind of update will be required to fix this, as it seems to be a problem for only certain version of the device - the Vario II being the obvious.
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I tested all the WWE ROM here (not the one with 1.09 bootloader, because since today is a one way only road, no way to flash back the original ROM)
About music skip: not sure if upgrade will solve it (since today) but there is a good patch here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=284974
Other well known problems (lost storage card in windows media player, overnight and in-call freeze, poor efficiency (short battery life in UMTS coverage, slow performances if compared to processor speed promise, ...) are still unsolved
I will suggest: play if you want, but having in mind that HERMES ROM flashing today is just for play, have a look, testing, not for really solving anything
Supercid ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282073 ) your device to play with ROMs, now, because you have the 1.04 bootloader version. Once SUPERCIDed you can play with all ROM
Well thats my primary issue at the moment and it sounds a lot like your fix may work for me.
I am using an original ROM im guessing, with bootloader 1.04 so all the doors are open for me. I'm in nor rush, strictly speaking, because I love this device and it generally works wonders for me. I listen to music for long periods of time once in a while (long car journeys alone with my SE ds970 - plugs the ears well providing awsome noise removal from external sources, can't even hear the engine on my crappy Vauxhall Corsa with those in...) but it is during those periods that I suffer with the skipping. fixing it will be wonderful.
I have a question about your fix though, but I worry that having read the first few pages of your other thread, and the last few, I may have missed the answer so I apologise if I'm asking questions you have already answered - but I remember reading the original thread a while ago from the guy who discovered the Task Manager app that fixed the issue and he mentioned that because the software seems to prevent any CPU speed scaling (not sure if thats actually what its doing) he observed that CPU battery consumption while running that specific app + audio decreased noticably. Is this still an issue with your patch? I plan to purchase a working in-car power adapter so it won't really be a problem, but im curious
I'm gonna take my time with regards to ROM upgrades because as has been mentioned above - I have only a few issues which after reading this thread now seem to be standing issues which won't be fixed whatever I decide to do right now. Ultimately, I have the stuff I detailed above adn thus far no steadfast information about which ROMs are good for what. I don't even know anything about this 3.x business noted above...
What I'd like to know now, before I try your fix, is - if i were to install a TyTn ROM (which right now Im assuming is an original HTC TyTn ROM as oposed to a yet-to-be-released T-Mobile ROM...?) will that effectively brand it back to HTC, wipe the onboard flash, give me the original TyTn green theme, remove all the software and settings T-Mobile gave me (they were kind enough to give me a licensed copy of Spb GPRS Monitor which is quite an advantage for me - my friend has a more recent T-Mobile Vario II and they seem to have retracted the offer ... ) and leave me at square one with any fixes/improvements/new-issues that ROM provides?
I also seem to remember reading that because as yet T-Mobile have not released an original ROM, changing now is a one way trip.
I think what I need is for someone to set me in the right direction from the perspective of a early Vario II user. I really enjoy my gadgets, and the best thing about them is "fixing things that aint broke" I love upgrading and trying to squeeze it for all its worth. Better yet, updating my device and gloating to those who have no idea what that means! It's all good...
Anyway, cheers very much for your help thus far - greatly appreciated.
I take no responsibility for anything you do to your device.
dcd's titan kitchen pre-1.6.1 (TEST 2)
CORE: dcd's clean rom pre-1.6.1
KNOWN ISSUES: none yet...
ROM: 2.16 / CE OS 5.2.1933 XIP by no2chem.
SYS: Build 18533.0.7.0 ported from custom Wizard rom.
OEM: 2.17 OEMDrivers / 2.14 OEMApps / touch themed dialer, commmanager, calc, media player, audio fix, my tweaks
THIS IS NOT "THE OFFICIAL KITCHEN"!!!
THIS IS NOT MY OFFICIAL RELEASE!!!
This is the 2nd test for what will become my official kitchen release. Use at your own risk. Report bugs, but please dont ask for support.
As time permits, I will fix any problems found and continue to cleanup the kitchen base to form a proper release.
If you are new to ROM kitchens, wait a while. This is for experienced users to help me find problems I may have overlooked. I will not be providing any guide at this time. A tutorial with screenshots will be included when this becomes finalized.
I have absolutely nothing to do with any "official" kitchen efforts. This is the base that I use to build my clean roms.
kitchen 1.6.1 TEST2: 11-29-07 CE OS 5.2.1933 Build 18533.0.7.0
thank you ImCoKeMan, no2chem, bepe, tadzio, dogguy.
if you're going to modify and redistribute this, it would be nice if you drop me a line first.
PLEASE LIMIT YOUR RESPONSES ON THIS THREAD TO BUG REPORTS.
Other requests, questions, comments will be ignored.
If you experience problems, please include specific directions on how to reproduce the problem in your post.
If the issue can be confirmed, it will be acknowledged in post 1 as a known issue.
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Good job Beavis, can't wait to test it out.
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Good job Beavis, can't wait to test it out.
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you've been testing it for weeks, dork. HUGE CLOCK included.
You need to give more detail if you want people to test it out!
Is this a command line based kitchen?
Does it require .net?
Is it script based (like DogGuys), or GUI?
Your first post goes on and on about how this is not the "official" kitchen, its not the final release of your kitchen, its not DogGuy's kitchen...
so, we get what its NOT, now tell us what it IS!
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You need to give more detail if you want people to test it out!
Is this a command line based kitchen?
Does it require .net?
Is it script based (like DogGuys), or GUI?
Your first post goes on and on about how this is not the "official" kitchen, its not the final release of your kitchen, its not DogGuy's kitchen...
so, we get what its NOT, now tell us what it IS!
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im not sure if it requires .net framework. doesnt everybody have this by now?
its the old buildos GUI. run buildos. select carrier. select applications. press play. exit buildos. run createrom. move your new .nbh into the RUU folder and flash.
actually, one of my biggest gripes with dogguy's kitchen is that buildos requires the newer .net framework and my laptop has currently, and at the moment its a work laptop which doesn't give me admin rights to install .net...
So, I thought maybe your kitchen would be a workaround for me, but apparently yours is using the same buildOS, which requires .net.
Oh well.
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actually, one of my biggest gripes with dogguy's kitchen is that buildos requires the newer .net framework and my laptop has currently, and at the moment its a work laptop which doesn't give me admin rights to install .net...
So, I thought maybe your kitchen would be a workaround for me, but apparently yours is using the same buildOS, which requires .net.
Oh well.
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i see. i just took the .net installation for granted. there MIGHT be another option. hang on a few.
edit: nope, you have to have .net 2.0. sorry. i wish i could come up with another option, but i guess not.
however, if "new buildos" does not require .net, it wouldnt be hard to switch out. i just didnt have a need for it as the old buildos is working fine for me.
OEM Packages for your kitchen?
Nice to see you on xda, dcd. I had checked out for a while there (work).
Will you also be posting OEMs customized for your kitchen? Or, do OEMs prepared in standard way work with your kitchen?
Thanks.
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Nice to see you on xda, dcd. I had checked out for a while there (work).
Will you also be posting OEMs customized for your kitchen? Or, do OEMs prepared in standard way work with your kitchen?
Thanks.
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most existing OEMs should work, may take a little experimentation/tweaking to work right once flashed, but same structure.
Missing Device Lock settings
When cooking the rom with DeviceLock builtin, the Settings icons is missing so it's impossible to customize behaviors of DL.
no, its the older devicelock version that is not configurable.
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no, its the older devicelock version that is not configurable.
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Ah, ok. I understand. Btw, as a side note, damn is that new 1.6.1 rom fast compared to Sprint 2.17. I really have no rationale to offer as to why but I clearly see the difference. My device is so much more responsive, minimal lag (for a WM6 rom), and makes me love back my phone (well, almost).
Currently Running 1.6.1 Using Kitchen Test2 11/30/07
Bug found: HTC Clock seems to be approximately :30 faster than the clock in the titlebar. Maybe it is something I did wrong, I don't know.
Update 11/30/07
Using 1.47.1 Radio
I decided to test the different radios at the same location (my desk). This is a poor reception location but is good for testing.
dcd's 1.5.0 rom gave me the best reception/speed with the 1.4.0 radio at this same location versus all other roms I have tried.
Radio Test Results:
Tested Radio 1.40 = Reception was not good. dslreports.com speedtest for simple mobile (400k file) = 450kbits average
Tested Radio 1.47.1 = Reception is slightly better. dslreports.com speedtest for simple mobile (400k file) = 550kbits average
Extremely impressed dcd, this is the fastest rom as far as responsiveness and overall speed I have had on my phone yet and I have installed quite a few from all different dev's. Also, memory usage is great with virtually no mem leakage when phone was on overnight.
Update 12/02/07
I have been using the rom made from the kitchen for 3 days now. I am extremely impressed by how well the memory has virtually stayed at 53-60% over the weekend. I rebooted once every 24 hours and activesync starts at every boot (can I disable that?). Phone is running great. Of course the only qualm that I have is reception, but it is not bad reception. I suppose I am spoiled by the 1.40 radio that I used on dcd's 1.5.0 rom a while back. It seems like the 1.40 radio is MUCH better than the 1.47 radio when used with a pre-2.17 rom. However, I have not had this phone perform anywhere near as well as it has now using this kitchen. Now that this kitchen has 2.17, it seems like using 1.47 radio is actually better. This is just my experience though.
So my experience has been simple actually Performance vs. Reception. Considering that the performance is FAR SUPERIOR than anything I have used before, and the reception is not much worse than before (compared to increase in performance), I definitely will stick with this rom.
Tested Radio 1.47.1 = dslreports.com speedtest for simple mobile (400k file) = 550kbits average so it stayed the same....
Update 12/07/07
I have been using the rom for officially one week. I am very happy with it. First off I must say that the battery life is undoubtedly the best I have had yet. I did not comment on the battery life in the previous updates because I feel like it takes a week to truly judge the difference in battery life between different roms.
I am now running Voice Command 1.6 which I installed about 3 days ago, and I use it a lot during the day. I call all of my contacts and dial almost all calls with the Voice Command. The memory is now a steady 60-70% a day from using the Voice Command these past three days. Towards the end of the day it goes to about 73%. However, the memory usage and performance is still FAR superior than any other rom I have used in the past.
Summary: Everything runs great, only qualm being the reception/data speed. I attribute the poor signal/data directly to the 1.47 radio. Unfortunately it seemed to me that the rom made using the kitchen worked best with 1.47 and NOT 1.40. So it is still a direct sacrifice of performance/memory versus reception and data speed in the end with this kitchen.
Thanks DCD works great so far, all built in options no issues, can drop most ppakages that I use from other kitchens with no mods, I really like it.
dcd,
Nice kitchen. I'm on alltel and built a basic rom. Everything is working properly so far. I'm going to start adding some OEMs and check for any problems.
Thanks
Jay
By the way, Qmenu is a much more memory-friendly alternative to X-button.
And, it has an optional cascading start menu which displays all running apps as well as a memory reclaimation tool (does the Oxios Hibernate thing).
Works really well, and uses under 100k of memory!
Might want to consider cooking that in instead of X-button. (I'm a recent x-button convert)
when it goes to build the registry i keep getting an error saying "Error building default.hv and user.hv" ..anyone know whats causing it?
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when it goes to build the registry i keep getting an error saying "Error building default.hv and user.hv" ..anyone know whats causing it?
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it has to be an oem you added as all that were included were tested.
go into the temp folder and view the log. it will show you the guid of the package that failed. find that package and verify that the .rgu is unicode, starts with REGEDIT4, and ends with a blank line.
Ok so here is a quick question for you. I got my new device and whats better to flash on it? DCD or the new VZW release? Let me know and I will do it?
DCD is way ahead of the curb to any software release from any company, with his software it pays in spades what you originally got from the phone out of the box. GPS, PAN, DUN, sting SMS, faster better use of CPU and RAM the list is endless. hands down DCD's ROM is the industry standard.
the added value to the phone is nothing short of outstanding.
no question. dcd.
There is absolutely no way you can dobetter than DCD's Roms.
JukEboXAuDiO said:
Ok so here is a quick question for you. I got my new device and whats better to flash on it? DCD or the new VZW release? Let me know and I will do it?
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Oh boy, don't get me started. Read my rants in the thread I started about the official release. The only think worse you could do to your phone other than putting the VZW release on it is running it over with your car after pulling it out of the back of a dump truck thats filled with molten lava, uranium, and fast flying neutrino radiation. I would rather try conjuring the spirits of my dead grand mother in hopes that she could build a better ROM than this crappy, late to the game, outdated months before it came out, non supported, lacking GPS , bullsh*t ass VZW ROM.
I guess what I am trying to say is I would go with DCD's ROM ;c)
DISCLAIMER: Before anyone gets offended, this is solely my opinion (granted taken to an extreme!). Thank you for taking the time to view.
what i think is sad is all the people who won't flash anything but stock have suffered through all these months with 2.09 only to be rewarded with a crippled 6.1 with useless gps.
at least now you can unlock and flash to dcd knowing that you can revert to stock without bricking since you now have a stock gps rom. that is going to be the only thing this rom is good for.
lafester said:
what i think is sad is all the people who won't flash anything but stock have suffered through all these months with 2.09 only to be rewarded with a crippled 6.1 with useless gps.
at least now you can unlock and flash to dcd knowing that you can revert to stock without bricking since you now have a stock gps rom. that is going to be the only thing this rom is good for.
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Hey, that is a good point I didn't think about. We can use this to flash if we hose our phones.
lafester said:
what i think is sad is all the people who won't flash anything but stock have suffered through all these months with 2.09 only to be rewarded with a crippled 6.1 with useless gps.
at least now you can unlock and flash to dcd knowing that you can revert to stock without bricking since you now have a stock gps rom. that is going to be the only thing this rom is good for.
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LOL
Why do people continue to insist that the phone GPS is all that and a side of fries?
Has it ever occurred to you that some people dont give a rat's behind about GPS functionality on their phone? Guess what, I dont - I have a dedicated autonomous GPS which blows the crap out of anything you will get on your 6800's "gps" function.
Its not all about GPS you know - imagine that? There is a universe where things other than GPS is important
I've also tried a few of dcd's roms - great stuff - no doubt about it. But for the apps I run, the stock ROM seems to be better - blows your mind, I know.
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LOL
I have a dedicated autonomous GPS which blows the crap out of anything you will get on your 6800's "gps" function.
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What will your gps do that my Titan won't?
I would like to know what apps run better on the stock ROM. Seriously... I want to know.
indagroove said:
What will your gps do that my Titan won't?
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Are you kidding me? Do you even own a dedicated GPS unit like a Garmin or Magellan?
kdj67f said:
I would like to know what apps run better on the stock ROM. Seriously... I want to know.
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I have a number of dedicated business and medical applications that run better with the stock rom than a few custom roms I've tried. For what/how I use my 6800 for, stock edges out custom roms.
If you use your 6800 like a toy, than its possible that a dcd or similar rom offers benefits. But for my purposes, the custom roms werent cutting.
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Are you kidding me? Do you even own a dedicated GPS unit like a Garmin or Magellan?
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No, but I run Garmin and TomTom on my Titan, so what can yours do that mine can't? Anything?
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No, but I run Garmin and TomTom on my Titan, so what can yours do that mine can't? Anything?
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Sorry, but those applications are just that - applications. They arent the same thing as what you can get on a dedicated unit. They are nothing more than maps - just like mapquest
But if you want something that a dedicated GPS unit can do that the 6800 cant with GPS enabled I'll tell you....
Real-Time traffic
And no, you dont have true real-time traffic on the 6800 since it isnt capable of accepting FM RDS signals
Listen, there is no sense arguing about it further - if you are happy with the GPS on the 6800 then isnt that what matters? I was not, hence, the reason I dont care about the whole GPS/custom rom thing. Enabling GPS on the 6800 was such a low priority for me since I didnt need it.
If you are happy with it and it serves your needs, then great.
If you want to continue this conversation, PM me - no sense clogging up this thread anymore
Well, I asked. I have never ran one of those programs so I have no idea how they compare to stock/DCD roms.
I use my device like a "toy" as much as I use it for e-mail, Excel editing and other business type applications.
Thanks for educating us.
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Sorry, but those applications are just that - applications. They arent the same thing as what you can get on a dedicated unit. They are nothing more than maps - just like mapquest
But if you want something that a dedicated GPS unit can do that the 6800 cant with GPS enabled I'll tell you....
Real-Time traffic
And no, you dont have true real-time traffic on the 6800 since it isnt capable of accepting FM RDS signals
Listen, there is no sense arguing about it further - if you are happy with the GPS on the 6800 then isnt that what matters? I was not, hence, the reason I dont care about the whole GPS/custom rom thing. Enabling GPS on the 6800 was such a low priority for me since I didnt need it.
If you are happy with it and it serves your needs, then great.
If you want to continue this conversation, PM me - no sense clogging up this thread anymore
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I usually refrain from posting, but err wha? This confusingly senseless posts seems to have dragged me out of my cave...
Is FM not only used as a very low cost alternative to using Cell Phone Data Networks? It is the same network built out by MS to support their MSN Direct Watches that they are now leasing to services like Garmin for GPS Traffic... Since the tech you mentioned is simply there to give the "real" GPS device access to data, how is it any "better"?
Do they release updates to their non-PDA GPS setups faster? Otherwise, it should be the same (provided the cell phone has data coverage)...
Unless Garmin doesn't provide real time traffic at all on their PDA stuff?
I too am curious on the apps though... As DCD 3.2.6 is the fastest ROM I've ever touched on my Mogul (not saying much since I've only owned it 1.5 months and have only ran Stock + Stock latest + DCD 3.2.5 and 3.2.6). It runs everything faster and just "better".
I don't use my PDA as a "toy" so I'd recommend you not lump anyone who doesn't do exactly what you do into the kid with a toy category.
Depending on your applications needs you might be better off using the kitchen for DCD roms to be sure the stuff you need is included.
I had to add the Enterprise option to my ROM so it would sync with my exchange server (as my phone has to be able to enforce my corporate exchange policies).
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I usually refrain from posting, but err wha? This confusingly senseless posts seems to have dragged me out of my cave...
Is FM not only used as a very low cost alternative to using Cell Phone Data Networks? It is the same network built out by MS to support their MSN Direct Watches that they are now leasing to services like Garmin for GPS Traffic... Since the tech you mentioned is simply there to give the "real" GPS device access to data, how is it any "better"?
Do they release updates to their non-PDA GPS setups faster? Otherwise, it should be the same (provided the cell phone has data coverage)...
Unless Garmin doesn't provide real time traffic at all on their PDA stuff?...
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Its only a pointless post if you didnt go back far enough in the thread to see where someone was asking me about something specific.
Either the 6800 is capable of receiving live traffic updates or its not - it obviously cant get RDS so we know its not getting updates there. Can it get it over another network?
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I too am curious on the apps though... As DCD 3.2.6 is the fastest ROM I've ever touched on my Mogul (not saying much since I've only owned it 1.5 months and have only ran Stock + Stock latest + DCD 3.2.5 and 3.2.6). It runs everything faster and just "better".
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Sorry but I tried 3.2.5 and 3.2.6 and found the stock rom to be faster
I love how people try to tell me that the custom rom is faster and that I must be mistaken - arguing with someone over their experience with anything is completely pointless. If in your use dcd's rom was faster, then great - in my experience it was not and hence I went back to the stock rom (unhappily since at that time I had to give up RevA)
I don't use my PDA as a "toy" so I'd recommend you not lump anyone who doesn't do exactly what you do into the kid with a toy category.
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Point well taken - my apologies
Depending on your applications needs you might be better off using the kitchen for DCD roms to be sure the stuff you need is included.
I had to add the Enterprise option to my ROM so it would sync with my exchange server (as my phone has to be able to enforce my corporate exchange policies).
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EXACTLY! Thats what I've been saying all along - depending on your needs, the stock rom will be fine or you may need to go with a custom rom
Now we are back on topic
My TomTom software pulls real-time traffic. Live Search can even pull the traffic in real time..provided you have a data connection.
That is the real difference, not that it cannot get the traffic but the method it does and if it costs anything. I got the unlimited data so it is a non-issue to me, but with a limited data plan a dedicated GPS will win out based on that function alone.
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I have a number of dedicated business and medical applications that run better with the stock rom than a few custom roms I've tried. For what/how I use my 6800 for, stock edges out custom roms.
If you use your 6800 like a toy, than its possible that a dcd or similar rom offers benefits. But for my purposes, the custom roms werent cutting.
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What medical app runs better on a stock ROM than on a dcd ROM? Please name any specific app? Lexi-...? PocketMed? Harrison's? Even Epocrates?
If you're going to make this claim publicly, back it up with ANY specific app you've used which runs better on stock in your opinion so others can weigh in or test your claims. That's only fair when you're slandering dcd ROM's as better for "play" than "work." If you have "a number of..... apps that run better with the stock rom" surely you can name at least one, but I notice you don't.
I say, put up or shut up.
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Sorry, but those applications are just that - applications. They arent the same thing as what you can get on a dedicated unit. They are nothing more than maps - just like mapquest
But if you want something that a dedicated GPS unit can do that the 6800 cant with GPS enabled I'll tell you....
Real-Time traffic
And no, you dont have true real-time traffic on the 6800 since it isnt capable of accepting FM RDS signals
Listen, there is no sense arguing about it further - if you are happy with the GPS on the 6800 then isnt that what matters? I was not, hence, the reason I dont care about the whole GPS/custom rom thing. Enabling GPS on the 6800 was such a low priority for me since I didnt need it.
If you are happy with it and it serves your needs, then great.
If you want to continue this conversation, PM me - no sense clogging up this thread anymore
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Then why waste your time posting here then? If stock if great for you then why waste your time on a forum for making custom ROMs? I think the GPS in the Titan is just as good as any hand held. TomTom, Live Search, Google Maps and others all can receive realtime traffic through the standard data network. Also TomTom devices are Windows CE embedded devices and use bluetooth connection to a data phone for the real time traffic and other services. So for me having one unit that I can carry to do GPS, email (work and personal), Geocaching, Bible, and internet search is invaluable. Since VZW seems to want to charge for using the GPS then we have DCD. If you don't care about the internal GPS then be happy with the stock ROMs. Better or faster is a matter of opinion that is true, but if I don't have to deal with all the bloatware that comes with the stock ROM the less that will take up precious memory. For me DCD/GC has made my phone a tool that enables me to work outside of my office, it is definitely not a toy.
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Its only a pointless post if you didnt go back far enough in the thread to see where someone was asking me about something specific.
Either the 6800 is capable of receiving live traffic updates or its not - it obviously cant get RDS so we know its not getting updates there. Can it get it over another network?
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I've read every page of this thread prior to posting. I read far more than I post by a long shot. I rarely post without listening (reading) first.
I posted because FM RDS is simply a data connection. Nothing more, Nothing less. With that in mind it would mean as long as the 6800 has a data connection it should show the same exact traffic information as a standalone "real" GPS device, unless either real-time traffic isn't a provided feature or the traffic provider prioritizes one device class over another.
Sorry but I tried 3.2.5 and 3.2.6 and found the stock rom to be faster
I love how people try to tell me that the custom rom is faster and that I must be mistaken - arguing with someone over their experience with anything is completely pointless. If in your use dcd's rom was faster, then great - in my experience it was not and hence I went back to the stock rom (unhappily since at that time I had to give up RevA)
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I wasn't slamming you as being inaccurate in your usage findings. There are far too many variations of this device to be absolutely certain they don't have more than just cosmetic differences. I was just adding to the thread collective my experience of DCD being a LOT faster than stock. As I also pointed out, my experience with the Mogul doesn't run that long. I just recently moved to it from my HTC Wizard.
Although it does help if you cite specifics. Such as "App XYZ runs faster" or whatnot so someone else using it can chime in and agree or what not. Unless you wrote the app for yourself you can't assume none of us run it
Hello everyone,
I'm starting this thread following my replacement of the standard radio (1.02.25.19) that comes with the UK Touch Pro with the Cingular Rom (1.02.25.31), thanks to MrVanx for the suggestion and to Olinex for the great HardSPL 1.90 (all these in Raphael Wiki here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419746, except MrVanx of course).
EDIT: By the way, if you're new to this radio game, replacing the radio only DOESN'T erase your memory (as long as it's extracted of course, and despite what updateRUU will tell you), so you can go back and forth very easily, no fastidious reinstall needed.
Following some questions by Athanaso77 in the HardSPL thread, I thought we could share our experiences here about the different radios we try, give feedback and try to see if problems / improvements are general or specific to each phone.
MrVanx has started a more general thread somewhere for feedback about different ROMs/Radios/Protocols (link needed!), so if you're not specifically interested in finding the ultimate T-Mobile UK radio, please post there!
As most (EDIT:many) T-Mobile UK users, I've experienced dropped calls when on 3G and not so good reception in 2G/3G (at least compared to my Vario III/Tytn II), which has prompted the quest [EDIT: along with bad Wifi performance)...
I haven't been able to fully test the 1.02.25.31 radio yet, but here are my first impressions:
- Slightly improved 2G/3G reception
- Not tested yet the dropped calls issue
- Slightly degraded data speed (around 10%) but not sure yet
- Had a problem initially with GPS fix (became longer with TT7) and I'm still testing this. I initially got better results by setting the GPS to Other NMEA GPS, 56700bps, COM4, but it's not consitent so I'm not happy yet.
For those (like Athenaso77) who want to play with the GPS settings in TT7:
from your main TT7 screen, click on the GPS signal strength on the lower right corner, then on the signal strength again on the right (below battery), then configure. You can chose Internal GPS, Other BT GPS or Other NMEA GPS (all three should work and can affect the strength of the signal/lag issue/time needed to get a fix). When asked for speed, select 4800 (default) or 57600. When asked for Com Port, always select COM4 (these should be the default settings in the External GPS app in EDIT:settings/system/external GPS), you can have a look there but don't m*** up with the parameters there, it's the shortest way to a hard reset!).
Please don't ask generic questions about TT7 in this thread (there are plenty on this subject), unless it's related to the performance of the GPS with a new/different Radio.
I'll post a more detailed report in a little while after more testing.
Please let us know about your specific experience. Also before any feedback/question, please give your radio number at the time, as your signature may change....
PS: Any suggestions to make this thread more useful are welcome!
To be honest I am still using the radio that my device was supplied with (1.02.25.19) because I haven't had any problems. Nearly always got H in my bar where ever I go in my local area (bearing in mind I live in the bottom of a valley), only had one or two dropped calls at the most in the month I have been using it, GPS works fine for me, always get a lock quickly and never noticed lag that is out of the ordinary (even going at questionable speeds on the motorway )
It may just be that I am in a great signal area (North Kent btw, if your interested) but I am more than happy with the radio in my phone!
EDIT: It may also be pertinant for people to oost what ROM they are using, as it could be a combination of ROM and Radio that produce a good result! Mine is currently DCSTouchPro-v13 WWE
Great to hear that at least it worked out of the box for you!
As I said, I'm comparing with my Tytn II/Vario III (same area, Salisbury/Wiltshire).
Although the 3G signal was good (not as good as my Vario III), I missed 2 or 3 calls the first day so promptly switched to forced 2G.
The Wifi reception (is it the Touch Pro or the shipped ROM, I don't know) was appalling with the initial ROM, which is also what prompted my quest for a better radio, as I hope the TP can do better than that!
I compared it with my Vario III (before I sold it!) in real time, and I couldn't connect in some rooms where the Vario III had always been absolutely fine (and still was until its last day).
Haven't tested Wifi coverage with the new radio yet, but I will report....
Only have a long fix problem with TT7 since I changed the radio. Not tested the lag yet to see if it's still there, but I think this is more a TT7 software issue as I believe it's fine with TT6 (although not tested on the TP yet).
Out of interest as as everything seems to work for you with stock radio
1) which version of TT7 are you using (I'm using Black VGA repack 3)
2) what are your GPS parameters (in TT7 and in the External GPS app)?
3) do you use QuickGPS or not?
4) are you happy with wifi cover/signal strength and stability?
It may help us less lucky people to improve our experience...
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Great to hear that at least it worked out of the box for you!
As I said, I'm comparing with my Tytn II/Vario III (same area, Salisbury/Wiltshire).
Although the 3G signal was good (not as good as my Vario III, I missed 2 or 3 calls the first day so promptly switched to forced 2G).
The Wifi reception (is it the Touch Pro or the shipped ROM, I don't know) was appalling with the initial ROM, which is also what prompted my quest for a better radio, as I hope the TP can do better than that!
I compared it with my Vario III (before I sold it!) in real time, and I couldn't connect in some rooms where the Vario III had always been absolutely fine (and still was until its last day).
Haven't tested Wifi coverage with the new radio yet, but I will report....
Only have a long fix problem with TT7 since I changed the radio. Not tested the lag yet to see if it's still there, but I think this is more a TT7 software issue as I believe it's fine with TT6 (although not tested on the TP yet).
Out of interest as as everything seems to work for you with stock radio
1) which version of TT7 are you using (I'm using Black VGA repack 3)
2) what are your GPS parameters (in TT7 and in the External GPS app)?
3) do you use QuickGPS or not?
4) are you happy with wifi cover/signal strength and stability?
It may help us less lucky people to improve our experience...
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I do use QuickGPS and I have made sure A_GPS is turned on (by default it was disabled), but I haven't been able to try TT7 yet because I haven't got any maps! iGO8 seams to work fine but the only real testing I did was with google maps, just making sure I kept up, and I let it auto detect the settings.
As for WiFi I don't really use it extensivly, as my office doen't have it and if I am at home I just use my computer but it seamed to be quick enough. I did use it in a pub for a good hour (checking film times, restraurants in the area, general browsing stuff really) and it never dropped out on me, although it did slow down on occasion.
As for dropped calls (i.e straight to answermachine) I can honestly say I haven't had any, the first couple of weeks I still had my old contract running so only 3 people had the new number, so I would have known if someone had
tried to contact me and been unable to. According to T-Mobile I am in the highest level of coverage so maybe I am just lucky in that respect. Like I say it could also be a combination of the ROM, DCS's stuff is very quick and I am very impressed with it
This makes more sense then. The GPS Fix / Lag is only an issue with TT7 on the TP. Google Maps fixes in about 10s (and can be used to improve your fix with TT7) but I'm trying to improve TT7 native response.
The Wifi is specifically a COVERAGE issue. If you're next to the router, or away with no walls, no problems. But I used to be able to get a good signal with my Vario III one or two floors down (I stream TV on my Touch Pro with my Slingbox Pro), and I'm really struggling with the TP (doesn't connect, or loses the connection constantly). I'm not telling you in which room I'm using it most but it's really annoying to suffer such lack of performance compared to the Vario III. Again, this was tested with same router, and simultaneously with Vario III, so I know it's a TP issue.
I may give a new ROM a try once I've decided on the radio...
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This makes more sense then. The GPS Fix / Lag is only an issue with TT7 on the TP. Google Maps fixes in about 10s (and can be used to improve your fix with TT7) but I'm trying to improve TT7 native response.
The Wifi is specifically a COVERAGE issue. If you're next to the router, or away with no walls, no problems. But I used to be able to get a good signal with my Vario III one or two floors down (I stream TV on my Touch Pro with my Slingbox Pro), and I'm really struggling with the TP (doesn't connect, or loses the connection constantly). I'm not telling you in which room I'm using it most but it's really annoying to suffer such lack of performance compared to the Vario III. Again, this was tested with same router, and simultaneously with Vario III, so I know it's a TP issue.
I may give a new ROM a try once I've decided on the radio...
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Fair enough, I thought it was a general GPS issue as opposed to a program specific issue. As for wi-fi I was in the pu so I have no idea where the signal was broadcast from, athough I can say it was a traditional building with incredably thick stone walls by todays standars, so even one room over would have had an effect.
Good luck with your search, if I ever take the plunge for the TT7 maps I will let you knwo how I get on!
Okay, I've done more tests, and here are my first conclusions for1.02.25.31 with stock WWE ROM:
- 3G dropped calls doesn't seem to be an issue anymore, although I need more time - more calls! - to see if it's definitely gone (I usually have 3/4 bars in 3G, and almost all 3G calls were dropped with stock radio).
- 3G data seems to be 10% slower than with stock, but that could be T-mob's mood
- Wifi seems definitely more stable. I used to have trouble connection right next to the router, the new radio is rock stable. From further away (weak signal like 1/2 wifi bars, router in loft , TP in ground floor), it also seems to connect more easily and keep the connecting for longer, where stock used to lose connection every few seconds. It doesn't displays more bars by the way, it's just more stable in borderline locations.
- I have setup my GPS for 4800bps/COM4 in both TomTom and in the external GPS app in settings/system, using "other NMEA GPS" in TT7, and with A-GPS switched on (using Schapps ACT) I get a hot fix in 10-30s consistently, which is good enough for me. I'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out about a cold fix!
So all in all, quite happy with the new radio, which is for me a definite improvement over stock. Now I need to check if the lag in TT7 is still there...
well, I think I'll go for it. I haven't so much had an issue with dropped calls....it's being able to receive the calls in the first place!!.
I also wonder if this will address the data connection issue I've had (push email works fine 90% of the time, if I try to collect my pop mail it connects immediately, but no internet until I do a soft reset.!!)
are there some simple instructions in the wiki about doing the Radio upgrade from the SD card?
Re the data connection, did you uncheck the proxy in your t-mobile connection settings? I had a problem with exchange initially, which was related to a wrong proxy being used by default.
yup..the proxy is unchecked.
it just seems odd that I can't connect to the internet using GPRS etc, but if I connect to my pop3 account ot check email..it works imediately....back to internet explorer...no connection. yet push email works fine too.
surely if my pop3 email connction works when required, and push email works, then connecting to the web via IE should work too??...but no...sometimes it will, sometimes it wont.
well, I now have all the bits I need to update my radio....but....I don't think I will!!
all the instructions I've read are aimed at people who have done it all before and understand the terminology. One day I'm going to sit and write some idiot proof ones.
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well, I now have all the bits I need to update my radio....but....I don't think I will!!
all the instructions I've read are aimed at people who have done it all before and understand the terminology. One day I'm going to sit and write some idiot proof ones.
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i dont think there will ever be a more idiot proof one than "install hard-spl first!!!!" the rest is just download blah blah blah and run customRUU
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i dont think there will ever be a more idiot proof one than "install hard-spl first!!!!" the rest is just download blah blah blah and run customRUU
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perhaps, but the wiki mentions 'flashing' to hardSPL....to me 'flashing' implies ROM replacement!!
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perhaps, but the wiki mentions 'flashing' to hardSPL....to me 'flashing' implies ROM replacement!!
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the procedure is fairly harmless... as long as you follow the instruction (download, extract, click, run, wait)
ok..getting VERY nervous...connected my device...waited for it to finish it's sync, ran the HardSPL exe, it asked me on my device if I wanted to enter bootloader mode, I clicked yes....the screen faded and now it's been sitting with a blank screen for 25 mins!! the backlight is slightly on, but nothing on the screen and although it's connected to my pc still...the sync light is out, and it's not charging...what's gone wrong???
strange, when i ran it, it was actually disconnected via active sync, as i cant browse the device in my computer anymore
Hi all!
I'm picking up a hopefully gently used Touch Pro tomorrow to replace my HTC Mogul. Very excited to have some extra RAM to work with, as well as the capability to try out all of these great ROMs.
As I have no experience with the Touch Pro, I am hoping you all can tell me what Radio and SPL I will need to begin my journey, and hopefully where to find them!
If you can offer any additional advice about this phone, any tips, tweaks, or general recommendations, I'd be very appreciative.
Thanks in advance!
I forgot to add that I'm going to be on the Sprint network!
Anyone?
I found the unlocking guide above which includes info on obtaining a HardSPL version. I hope this is the best one available.
I have not been able to find any information about updating the radio of the device so it works best with Sprint.
Hopefully someone can shed more light on this for me.
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Anyone?
I found the unlocking guide above which includes info on obtaining a HardSPL version. I hope this is the best one available.
I have not been able to find any information about updating the radio of the device so it works best with Sprint.
Hopefully someone can shed more light on this for me.
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You should have everything you need on my guide. As far as radio, what you could do is after unlocking the device, flash a Sprint stock rom (the latest available), which will likely have the latest radio that Sprint released as well. Once you have flashed this package, simply flash another rom (whichever one you like) on top. The radio will remain the same and only your rom will change. Hope this helps.
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You should have everything you need on my guide. As far as radio, what you could do is after unlocking the device, flash a Sprint stock rom (the latest available), which will likely have the latest radio that Sprint released as well. Once you have flashed this package, simply flash another rom (whichever one you like) on top. The radio will remain the same and only your rom will change. Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the reply. I was able to find more for our device on another popular forum. It seems that XDA has more of a GSM focus for the Touch Pro. I appreciate your guide as it has helped me expand my knowledge of the device. I feel like I'm all set now.
I did the same thing a few months ago. There is everything you could ever need to unlock and flash to what ever rom you want. After flashing just about every rom here, my problem is that I want to combine about 3 different roms to make the one I want, The only problem is I have no idea how to use a kitchen or build a rom hahahaha.
Tony
YO MAN!!!
Glad you were able to find everything you needed. Holler if you need anything else, we here and over at PPCG are always ready to help someone else... Just remember, there will always be nOObs out there and it never hurts to share the knowledge you have received.
Take care man.
EDIT 1: To the post above mine, try PPCKITCHEN.org... if you are not sure how to cook a rom, this kitchen is made for people with little to no experience... Experiment with it, build your own rom with your own options. Just make sure you do the update first...(it takes forever for the update to complete.) There are also other kitchens out there, but this is the one I first started out with. (Sorry for advertising other sites...)
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Glad you were able to find everything you needed. Holler if you need anything else, we here and over at PPCG are always ready to help someone else... Just remember, there will always be nOObs out there and it never hurts to share the knowledge you have received.
Take care man.
EDIT 1: To the post above mine, try PPCKITCHEN.org... if you are not sure how to cook a rom, this kitchen is made for people with little to no experience... Experiment with it, build your own rom with your own options. Just make sure you do the update first...(it takes forever for the update to complete.) There are also other kitchens out there, but this is the one I first started out with. (Sorry for advertising other sites...)
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There are a LOT of issues with the rom kitchen for the Herman in PPCK. A lot of reports of roms simply getting stuck at the initial boot-screen. You can try Ervius or one of the newer Visual Kitchens. Good luck!
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Thanks for the reply. I was able to find more for our device on another popular forum. It seems that XDA has more of a GSM focus for the Touch Pro. I appreciate your guide as it has helped me expand my knowledge of the device. I feel like I'm all set now.
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the pro is a good phone as long as you have a good rom.
i am currently using the new xxxRootRom which can be found on the ppcgeeks.com forums. i have tested about 6 - 8 different roms so far and found this one to be very stable and snappy.
maybe try a few so you can compare.
only thing i would recommend is to change the pagepool on the xxxrootrom because for some reason it was set to 6. change the value to 0 and you will be very happy with it.
hope that help.
New to Touch Pro (former Mogul User) - Many Issues - Verizon
I just got a new Touch Pro from Asurion as an insurance replacement to XV6800. I am not new to these forums and have, over the years, applied many hacks and flashed many ROMS to my Mogul.
I'm currently using the stock ROM from Vzn (full device details in my sig) but I'm experiencing too many issues to address in a single post perhaps, and I researched and tried many solutions for hours. My biggest issue is Bluetooth related.
I am using the Bluespoon Spider stereo headset which worked great on Mogul. On TP I cannot get any settings to not cause skips and lags on locally stored music playback. I use both Adv Config 3.3 and Total Commander to adjust bitpool Min/Max bitpool. sample rate, & audio gateway settings. The best I've gotten is clear, mostly uninterupted music with the TP sitting in my lap, BUT if I turn my head to the right (the AVRP controls are in the right earpiece) I get serious skips & lags. I used to go about 100 ft clearsight from my Mogul before experiencing drops! Now with TP a matter of inches and my own head blocks the signal?
Anyone else experince this issue? What are you best results with BT seeings? I remember dumping M$ Bluetooth Stack for Widcomm's on Mogul and that made all the difference - can I / should swap out stacks on the TP? My headset won't even properly coonect, I must continually choose "set as wireless stereo" each time I turn on BT.
As for players, Ive used WMP, HTC player and S2P all with the same poor results. I hate that with TouchFlo 3D off, WMP insists on opening and assuming control of AVRP (play/pause/next) features. I tried one hack to break that and it nearly bricked my phone and it caused my SD card to become unreadable AND unformattable. I'll address that in the proper forum
I was so psyched about getting the Touch Pro, but I think I'm gonna have to cook the pants of the stock ROM. Any help with my bluetooth issue woud be greatly appreciated.