yup just putting the word out. pictures and more info here http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=3018 lol I wonder how long it will takes us to get our hands on this one
windows mobile 6.5 walk thru for video click link http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/255/71.733
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=474406
my friend the link I already knew about, Da_G is doing his best to get a BETA version of 6.5. I am talking about the "official" release. Which microsoft has made it official to have devices come out the end of 2009. But that doesnt mean we wont have it sooner, all we need is a leak and then DA_G wont have to work as hard
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Microsoft said. "Manufacturer’s will not be able to customise the interface as much as they have done in the past
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Tell me if I'm wrong but visual layers as manilla are an add-on software, not a modification of the OS. So how could microsoft no allow such UI
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Microsoft said. "Manufacturer’s will not be able to customise the interface as much as they have done in the past
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Tell me if I'm wrong but visual layers as manilla are an add-on software, not a modification of the OS. So how could microsoft no allow such UI
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That explains alot in regard to the difficulties surrounding the issues Da_G and others have had getting things to work correctly on the betas. It is not a good sign that Microsoft is taking this approach. This tells me that the issues with the ui breaking with lots of third party software are only going to get worse. I have a feeling we are going to have alot more problems with 6.5 than we would like before its all over.
It saying late 2009 so that means windows mobile 7 prolly wont be out until 2011 maybe cause i doubt if they release it 2010 after releasing 6.5 late in 2009.
Yea im cant wait for the not beat leak for 6.5 for the fuze
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That explains alot in regard to the difficulties surrounding the issues Da_G and others have had getting things to work correctly on the betas. It is not a good sign that Microsoft is taking this approach. This tells me that the issues with the ui breaking with lots of third party software are only going to get worse. I have a feeling we are going to have alot more problems with 6.5 than we would like before its all over.
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My guess is that they're trying to establish a more consistent appearance of the operating system for branding purpose. It's hard to say "this is what a windows phone looks like" when every manufacturer makes it look different. My guess is that 3rd party UI's will still be around though, and they're just talking about what a stock phone looks like.
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Yea im cant wait for the not beat leak for 6.5 for the fuze
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Its not happening:
Sadly, Microsoft's saying that no devices in the market today will receive official 6.5 updates, but don't pull out your wallets just yet, though -- the first devices with Windows Mobile 6.5 preinstalled should be available in the fourth quarter of the year.
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http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/02/16/microsoft-announces-windows-mobile-6-5/
So it won't be leaking for the Raph. The leak will probably be a generic leak, not customized for any specific (or maybe customized for another new phone) phone so the guys here will play/work extra hard to make it work on the Raph.
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My guess is that they're trying to establish a more consistent appearance of the operating system for branding purpose. It's hard to say "this is what a windows phone looks like" when every manufacturer makes it look different. My guess is that 3rd party UI's will still be around though, and they're just talking about what a stock phone looks like.
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I hear what your saying and I agree with Microsofts idea to some extent. I hope your right about the UI's Scotchua.
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Sadly, Microsoft's saying that no devices in the market today will receive official 6.5 updates, but don't pull out your wallets just yet, though -- the first devices with Windows Mobile 6.5 preinstalled should be available in the fourth quarter of the year.
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So it won't be leaking for the Raph. The leak will probably be a generic leak, not customized for any specific (or maybe customized for another new phone) phone so the guys here will play/work extra hard to make it work on the Raph.
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My guess is this is why HTC's leaked roadmap shows att coming out with a new phone called the barium that is almost identical to the fuze. That will be the 6.5 variant.
What the heck, is it just me or is there not a picture of an "OK" button anywhere...
at least now I know what my "X" button is supposed to look like..
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What the heck, is it just me or is there not a picture of an "OK" button anywhere...
at least now I know what my "X" button is supposed to look like..
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LOL ... Theirs is a little small than yours just a little. Im amazed at how far IE has come. SPEECHLESS>.
Now I want a Touch Pro 2. Ill be drooling for the next 6-8 months waiting for it
What I read none of the older devices will get 6.5. The only ones released with 6.1 that will get 6.5 are the TP2 and Diamond 2 due out in late Q2
I'm kind of intrigued by 6.5 but its not a huge deal for me the news apps look cool, most of the improved functionality I can get with fingermenu and manilla, IMHO Manilla with fingermenu > then 6.5 (though if we could have all together that would be great). What I really want (and I'm searching for on all kinds of asian boards) is the latest version of manilla the TP2 runs. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know.
can we have a confirmation if we will have a wm 6.5 rom upgrade from htc?
in terms of processor both touch pro and touch pro 2 have same MHz (different chipset though).... only higher resolution.
And during the livecast i think steve ballmer said something about wm6.5 being available on phones in all price ranges... that could mean our touch pro will be able to do wm 6.5 as it has some horsepower underneath
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can we have a confirmation if we will have a wm 6.5 rom upgrade from htc?
in terms of processor both touch pro and touch pro 2 have same MHz (different chipset though).... only higher resolution.
And during the livecast i think steve ballmer said something about wm6.5 being available on phones in all price ranges... that could mean our touch pro will be able to do wm 6.5 as it has some horsepower underneath
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Everything I have read thus far says no that touch pro will not get a upgrade to 6.5.
Hopefully we will see different over the coming weeks.
we even have on our toch pro (and touch diamond) the required windows button: in our case it is the home button... it could have same functionality.. and the back, call end/start buttons too.. so that is checked, like the processor speed.. lol its only up to htc's decision to prolong the life of an "outdated" product or not (in their vision, as on some us carriers it just got launched)
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Everything I have read thus far says no that touch pro will not get a upgrade to 6.5.
Hopefully we will see different over the coming weeks.
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It wont cause of the fact touch pro 2 rumor to be release in 2nd quarter. Which has the tilt screen again. Which i loved my at&t tilt. plus tp2 looks thinner.
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Now I want a Touch Pro 2. Ill be drooling for the next 6-8 months waiting for it
What I read none of the older devices will get 6.5. The only ones released with 6.1 that will get 6.5 are the TP2 and Diamond 2 due out in late Q2
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The manufacturers and software engineers are killing me!! Just about the time I think I have a great phone and become satisfied with a cooked ROM, they go and tease me with a newer, better version of what I already have. Don’t these people know the state of the world economy?!
I agree about tp2
I already told my fiance that I am getting it and she was like you just brought that phone, so we came to the conclusion I had buy her a new X-Pole. I think the tp2 looks alot like the nokia teaser I saw a couple of months ago http://mashable.com/2008/12/02/nokia-n97-facebook/ I may try to get both.
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Hi all,
I see a lot of familiar/famous faces here allready.
Would be good to know which Devs are porting over to the Raphael.
May also help with Development work if we have a list of Developers that will be here from the beginning.
So far I believe we have
Mamaich
Bepe
Olipro
CMonex
JJ
Dutty
Laurentius
myself
Who else will be joining us?
Cheers,
Beasty
I'll be too.
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I'll be too.
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Count me in sir.
Heee ... Beasty, yes you can count me in!
I'm looking forward to Rapheal!
Regards,
Leo
Looks like the old Universal team is back together
Myself included!
You can count me in for any help with ROM testing - my upgrade is due in 4 weeks and counting...
Well whenever this comes to ATT I'll compile another thread devoted to tweaking and removing all of the random crap that is bound to come with the ATT version...
Upgrade or no upgrade available on my contract, I'm getting this phone (but I can wait for a non-front camera version for about $200 less than the $904 price it's at right now.)
I'm certainly ready to jump on the Raphael bandwagon, but the details for the 3G radio for us yankees are still questionable. Until I see what the US version is, I'm not getting really excited about it. Other than a RAM/ROM/Processor upgrade, there isn't much of a gain. Also, until this thing gets in the hands of some XDA users, we won't know if they made a similar mistake as they did with the Kaiser in terms of drivers and hardware implementation.
HTC Omni with Android - yes. Another rehash of the Wizard, meh.
-Mc
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I'm certainly ready to jump on the Raphael bandwagon, but the details for the 3G radio for us yankees are still questionable. Until I see what the US version is, I'm not getting really excited about it. Other than a RAM/ROM/Processor upgrade, there isn't much of a gain. Also, until this thing gets in the hands of some XDA users, we won't know if they made a similar mistake as they did with the Kaiser in terms of drivers and hardware implementation.
HTC Omni with Android - yes. Another rehash of the Wizard, meh.
-Mc
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Pretty sure that TouchFlo 3D needs D3D acceleration to work?? The GFX drivers situation should be almost identical to the diamond, so best to take a gander at the diamond forum and see if any issues are apparent?
You're absolutely correct.
But let us not forget that HTC's devices from years ago perform better graphically then the Kaiser. Who'd have ever thought THAT would happen (especially considering the vast technological improvements)?!?!
I have been lurking on the Diamond forums keeping an eye on how things play out. We still haven't seen a US-based Diamond variant yet.
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You're absolutely correct.
But let us not forget that HTC's devices from years ago perform better graphically then the Kaiser. Who'd have ever thought THAT would happen (especially considering the vast technological improvements)?!?!
I have been lurking on the Diamond forums keeping an eye on how things play out. We still haven't seen a US-based Diamond variant yet.
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Yes McHale but even if that is the case the Touch Pro is running the same chipset as the Diamond (7201A) so people could just make hybrid ROMs incorporating the best of both devices. Next question.
I'm not talking about the video specifically, I'm talking about support and proper implementation of hardware. Believe me, I'm not bashing HTC. I have enough devices I can say I supported them quite a little. I'm saying we haven't seen a US model yet and until I see the model that will work in the states, we don't know how well it will be implemented.
-Mc
You guys make me feel like A Noob again.
Not a Dev, but come agust 28th, i'll be switching to my new Baby and thread.
ill be here also,,,, full throttle.
Still debating when to get the ***** purchased, get it before holiday......or after?? hmmm
(bearing in mind i chose day before holidays to get my Hermes back in 2k6 lol)
i will switch over when at&t comes out with their version.
hope soon cause i can't stand the wait.
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Still debating when to get the ***** purchased, get it before holiday......or after?? hmmm
(bearing in mind i chose day before holidays to get my Hermes back in 2k6 lol)
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I've done the same mate, the Raphael should arrive just before we fly off to Florida (hopefully) gives me plenty of time to work on some Roms whilst away (and a new toy to play with on the plane)
Stocks for pre-orders are running a bit low on most UK sites now though, so be quick if you do want one. Expansys did me one for £460 with case and cables TV Out etc. I imagine prices will rise slightly after release and demand will be pretty high. The Uni finally gets chance to have a rest in the Bottom-Drawer Beasty PDA vault.
Cheers,
Beasty
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You guys make me feel like A Noob again.
Not a Dev, but come agust 28th, i'll be switching to my new Baby and thread.
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is 28th Aug the official release to retail date?
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is 28th Aug the official release to retail date?
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Since this isn't about the release, (that's another thread)
No the 28th is not the release date, It's when "I" get my Baby.
i so happy that i see some of my fav devs getting ready for my new HTC!!.
i was hoping to stay with the original Rom at least 6 months but i dont thing this will happen with u all!!
good luck
I notice that there has been a lag in the ROMS and updates for the WM6.5 Betas. I'm not sold on WM6.5 yet so I'm thinking about going back to WM6.1. However, given recent news that some carriers are pulling the Titan product in favor of a newer model I'm starting to wonder if the phone may be losing it's luster and on the outs. I love my Titan, but am becoming frustrated with it's lack of memory (hence performance). To me WM6.5 seems to be clunkier than WM6.1, making the Titan even more sluggish. If this is the case it would make sense carriers would stop selling it in favor of a newer model with more memory and performance capabilities.
BTW thanks to everyone on the forums who have given a piece of themselves so that we all can enjoy the fruits of their labor.
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I notice that there has been a lag in the ROMS and updates for the WM6.5 Betas. I'm not sold on WM6.5 yet so I'm thinking about going back to WM6.1. However, given recent news that some carriers are pulling the Titan product in favor of a newer model I'm starting to wonder if the phone may be losing it's luster and on the outs. I love my Titan, but am becoming frustrated with it's lack of memory (hence performance). To me WM6.5 seems to be clunkier than WM6.1, making the Titan even more sluggish. If this is the case it would make sense carriers would stop selling it in favor of a newer model with more memory and performance capabilities.
BTW thanks to everyone on the forums who have given a piece of themselves so that we all can enjoy the fruits of their labor.
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I am in favor with you. I really enjoy my 6800 and I just updated to the vwz TP. I do not plan to selll the 6800.
I only updated because the development is moving to the TP and like you so frustrated with no memory. They did reduce the vzw TP memory which sucks so many are getting the Sprint version and making it work on vzw which is easy to do which has more memory. All the info is at ppcgeeks which where I read more now.
There are many roms over there..overload...but I found that SSK 1.5 provides the best memory for the TP since it has less. Device is fast, gps all works with the right patches but I do miss the 6800 however this new model is growing on me...
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I am in favor with you. I really enjoy my 6800 and I just updated to the vwz TP. I do not plan to selll the 6800.
I only updated because the development is moving to the TP and like you so frustrated with no memory. They did reduce the vzw TP memory which sucks so many are getting the Sprint version and making it work on vzw which is easy to do which has more memory. All the info is at ppcgeeks which where I read more now.
There are many roms over there..overload...but I found that SSK 1.5 provides the best memory for the TP since it has less. Device is fast, gps all works with the right patches but I do miss the 6800 however this new model is growing on me...
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I have started looking at newer models, but I still like most of what the Titan has to offer. I wonder if anyone has come out with a clean version of Android on the Titan? I think the biggest problem was the lack of memory.
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I have started looking at newer models, but I still like most of what the Titan has to offer. I wonder if anyone has come out with a clean version of Android on the Titan? I think the biggest problem was the lack of memory.
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I think that many of us will just continue supporting the titan as changes happen, and not move forward until there is a better phone for us. I don't like the TP completely, even on sprint cause the titan is so near perfect in design. Ram and resolution are the only issues for me, I love the buttons and roller and would love to be able to open it up and solder a 2GB chip onboard.
Android is interesting, but there may be software and hardware issues that could plague it from being a great solution, but I would love to see it work.
Of course the Titan is dying. It's been replaced by all the carriers with some variant of the Touch Pro, and supposedly the Touch Pro 2 will be out sometime this year. That would make the Titan 2 generations of phones old. Not many people want to spend time making new ROM's for a 2-3 year old phone when there are much better phones out there to support.
It has been, by far, the best phone I've ever owned. Durable, decent reception, voice clarity, battery life (using an upgraded battery from Seidio), and I love Windows Mobile. I've just never been a Blackberry guy, never loved the Apple OS, and still not quite sold on Android.
But its just like any other electronics equipment... newer and better things come out eventually, and the old stuff fades away. I've resisted going to the Touch Pro with Verizon specifically because of its reduced RAM (compared to ATT/Sprint versions), and because I dont like the keyboard layout. I'm also not a major proponent of getting the Sprint phone then using it on VZW's network, just cause I'm not comfortable with that idea for whatever reason.
For now, my XV6800 lives on. Sure, my vibrate doesnt work anymore, but oh well. I still find it to be incredibly reliable for every day use, and until the TP2 or something along those lines comes out, its the phone for me.
My contract ends this December so I have a while to go with my Titan. Either way I love it and I use Sk-tools which helps a lot! I do like all the hardware buttons.
Really I don't see myself getting another Windows Phone unless it has Windows Mobile 7.
titan scene is dying. the supports, at least here at xda has disappeared. the devs have moved on, unfortunately. i would love to work with some other devs to get android working on this phone, but its tough finding people who want to take on that task.
i think htc will be releasing a cdma phone with android soon, i might end up getting that... but in the mean time i am just running DCD's 3.2.6 with HTC Home. nice and simple, and quick.
the Titan is dying..quite honestly, I'm waiting on the Palm Pre to be out..I can't deal with the severe memory leaks most WM phones have
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I notice that there has been a lag in the ROMS and updates for the WM6.5 Betas. I'm not sold on WM6.5 yet so I'm thinking about going back to WM6.1. However, given recent news that some carriers are pulling the Titan product in favor of a newer model I'm starting to wonder if the phone may be losing it's luster and on the outs. I love my Titan, but am becoming frustrated with it's lack of memory (hence performance). To me WM6.5 seems to be clunkier than WM6.1, making the Titan even more sluggish. If this is the case it would make sense carriers would stop selling it in favor of a newer model with more memory and performance capabilities.
BTW thanks to everyone on the forums who have given a piece of themselves so that we all can enjoy the fruits of their labor.
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The titan is being out modelled yes, but the titan is still very much alive. All the 6.5 coming out have been successfully ported to the titan, and guess what it just keeps getting better.
Yes the earlier builds of 6.5 were sluggish but the builds coming out now are faaaaaast. Get to try one and you will not be too fast on ditching your old love for a new lover.
Whats Titan
Whats Titan anyways?
Not in the coffin yet...
It's fascinating to see all the different responses. I too have a contract until the later part of the year so I won't be moving to a new phone any time soon, but I am starting to look down the line. It is hard to think that my little friend will eventually be collecting dust in the closet by then, it has been, as someone stated, the best phone I've ever owned. Sure it has flaws like lack of memory, memory leaks, a small screen (although it did seem big at one time) and so on, but overall I think, with the help of communities like xda and others, the benefits far outweigh them. Funny thing is I finding I'm using less and less apps on the phone -not exactly sure why though.
BTW I don't like the new MSIE6 at all -does anyone know of any tips or tricks for it?
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Whats Titan anyways?
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Not sure if you're joking or not, but just in case you're not.
Titan = HTC XV6800 -AKA: Sprint Mogul PPC-6800, I'm sure there are other guises it goes by...
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The titan is being out modelled yes, but the titan is still very much alive. All the 6.5 coming out have been successfully ported to the titan, and guess what it just keeps getting better.
Yes the earlier builds of 6.5 were sluggish but the builds coming out now are faaaaaast. Get to try one and you will not be too fast on ditching your old love for a new lover.
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Vickylife007,
Which WM6.5 do you have in mind? There are so many out there and I believe I've tried most of them to the same results (I know their betas, so they aren't perfect yet).
I'm always willing to try new things to spice up my love life
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My contract ends this December so I have a while to go with my Titan. Either way I love it and I use Sk-tools which helps a lot! I do like all the hardware buttons.
Really I don't see myself getting another Windows Phone unless it has Windows Mobile 7.
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I've been out of a contract for 6 months now. I like my Titan, it works pretty good, my limits, battery life (will there ever be a PDA phone battery that lasts a week with use ?) and memory limits.
I've said a few time on this site as well as PPCgeeks, I will not buy a new phone till we see some new features (more than a little more memory, newer screen and shape of phone), and from what I am reading that will come down the line in WM 7. Pretty much all the phones are about the same when it comes down to real specs, there is no reason to upgrade to a newer phone. Oh, yea, they look a little nicer, not worth that in my eyes
After all, with internet, GPS, a keyboard, and all the other little bells the Titan has, who really needs another phone ?
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Vickylife007,
Which WM6.5 do you have in mind? There are so many out there and I believe I've tried most of them to the same results (I know their betas, so they aren't perfect yet).
I'm always willing to try new things to spice up my love life
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21193 is good, 21198 is great. Yeah they are all betas, they will remain so in name until there is an official release from MS, but they are stable for everyday use. If you like trying new things then try to catch up with the builds as they come out like two per week. I personally have had problems catching up.........................you may have a nack for this.
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21193 is good, 21198 is great. Yeah they are all betas, they will remain so in name until there is an official release from MS, but they are stable for everyday use. If you like trying new things then try to catch up with the builds as they come out like two per week. I personally have had problems catching up.........................you may have a nack for this.
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Actually I'm having a tough time keeping up too. I just tried Titan_21198_Beta_1. It's not bad, but in the few hours I've had it now there's Titan_21198_Beta_1.1. Haha...
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Actually I'm having a tough time keeping up too. I just tried Titan_21198_Beta_1. It's not bad, but in the few hours I've had it now there's Titan_21198_Beta_1.1. Haha...
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It gets better, 21314 is reported to be out.
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It gets better, 21314 is reported to be out.
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What happened to all the releases in between!? Oh well at least I don't have to test all of them.
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It's fascinating to see all the different responses. I too have a contract until the later part of the year so I won't be moving to a new phone any time soon, but I am starting to look down the line. It is hard to think that my little friend will eventually be collecting dust in the closet by then, it has been, as someone stated, the best phone I've ever owned. Sure it has flaws like lack of memory, memory leaks, a small screen (although it did seem big at one time) and so on, but overall I think, with the help of communities like xda and others, the benefits far outweigh them. Funny thing is I finding I'm using less and less apps on the phone -not exactly sure why though.
BTW I don't like the new MSIE6 at all -does anyone know of any tips or tricks for it?
Not sure if you're joking or not, but just in case you're not.
Titan = HTC XV6800 -AKA: Sprint Mogul PPC-6800, I'm sure there are other guises it goes by...
Vickylife007,
Which WM6.5 do you have in mind? There are so many out there and I believe I've tried most of them to the same results (I know their betas, so they aren't perfect yet).
I'm always willing to try new things to spice up my love life
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I'm the same way...... I had, at one point, 30-40 apps installed and 20-30 games. Then I realized most of them were things I NEVER used. The last time I flashed my phone to DCD 3.3.4, I decided to only install stuff I actually use.... which is maybe 10 apps and 5 games at most. The phone is so fast without all that extra junk.
I played with WM6.5, and honestly, not that impressed. I dont see a huge difference. Maybe WM7 will have something amazing and make an upgrade worthwhile.
I see myself eventually going to a different OS though, depending on what HTC cooks up for us.
WM7 will probably be too much for our Titans to handle; it may get obsoleted due to hardware requirements. my hope is for Linux (Android)! or whomever gives me Flash 10 first...
Android...
From my searches (granted they haven't been too in depth) it would appear nobody is really picking up on Android builds for the Titan. The ones out there now are just apps to run on top of WM, which kinda makes it pointless. It seems the lack of memory on the Titan is an issue for the Android OS to run on it's own.
Has anyone heard different?
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I notice that there has been a lag in the ROMS and updates for the WM6.5 Betas. I'm not sold on WM6.5 yet so I'm thinking about going back to WM6.1. However, given recent news that some carriers are pulling the Titan product in favor of a newer model I'm starting to wonder if the phone may be losing it's luster and on the outs. I love my Titan, but am becoming frustrated with it's lack of memory (hence performance). To me WM6.5 seems to be clunkier than WM6.1, making the Titan even more sluggish. If this is the case it would make sense carriers would stop selling it in favor of a newer model with more memory and performance capabilities.
BTW thanks to everyone on the forums who have given a piece of themselves so that we all can enjoy the fruits of their labor.
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I like to think of my Titan like the child that was born with an incurable genetic disease. I may love it and do all I can for it,but yes,in the end ,it is in fact dieing,and it started before it was even born. I just try to help it along doing all the things that other phones do and minimize its suffering while waiting for the inevitable.
http://www.androidcentral.com/dell-reportedly-release-android-version-venue-pro
Interesting indeed! Don't see this happening too often, manufacturers releasing the same phone with different OS.
Lol, yeah I just heard about that. This could explain why they haven't released many details about the Venue Pro while all the other manufacturer's phones have already been reviewed.
BTW, where is that Asus phone!? It was sexy as hell.
Whilst they may release a similar phone with Android, it won't be identical because it won't have the Windows Phone hardware keys. It will effectively be a different model, even if the differences are subtle.
But Android is a festering abortion anyway.
Jim Coleman said:
Whilst they may release a similar phone with Android, it won't be identical because it won't have the Windows Phone hardware keys. It will effectively be a different model, even if the differences are subtle.
But Android is a festering abortion anyway.
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Finally someone agrees with me!
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Finally someone agrees with me!
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Well it is. It tried to be an iPhone but has ended up being a WM6.5. And it's made by an Advertising Vendor.
Isn't this just the "Thunder" that we've known about for months and months. The one that Engadget gave a preview of some time ago. I'll dig up some links...:
Thunder was revealed in April: http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/dell-thunder-explodes-android-with-4-1-inch-oled-screen-promise/
They got their hands on it in August: http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/19/exclusive-dell-thunder-prototype-preview-video/
I've seen this story pop up on a few sites, and none of them have realised we already knew about this...
Just another flavor of Android. Not too interesting. I am ready for some WP love... on second thought that sounds gross. I am really excited for the Dell Venue Pro w/ WP& though.
Interesting comments...but I have to differ...I was using and cooking WM 6/6.5 for years, and have used it for years. But switching to Android has been a complete breathe of fresh air...it's leaps and bounds ahead of WM in my opinion.
it needs webos and then it would be the best phone out in the market
the_scotsman said:
Interesting comments...but I have to differ...I was using and cooking WM 6/6.5 for years, and have used it for years. But switching to Android has been a complete breathe of fresh air...it's leaps and bounds ahead of WM in my opinion.
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Dude, my twitching left buttock is better than WM. Go play with WP7 for another breath of that fresh air.
Windows Mobile was never a crappy OS, it just had an unintuitive UI. JUst like other people have said, it's probably still the most feature packed OS available.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/28/dell-venue-hits-the-fcc-is-this-the-thunders-new-name/
Looks like it's going to be the Dell Venue...same device but no slide-out keyboard.
Crap I missed the part about no keyboard *angry*
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http://www.androidcentral.com/dell-reportedly-release-android-version-venue-pro
Interesting indeed! Don't see this happening too often, manufacturers releasing the same phone with different OS.
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well honestly guys do we really care?? lets get the WM7 version and im 99% sure devs will port the android version fairly quickly
I was just wondering whether it is worth holding onto hope for the TG01, or should I upgrade to a WP7?!
It all depends on what you want, its not really a question anyone can answer for you. If you feel that you need WP7 then you should upgrade as there isn't any real movement in that area on the TG01, I'm not saying it won't happen but its probably a while off yet. Android is looking promising at the moment though and with the restrictions in place in WP7 like lack of SD card swapping android may be the way forward, but that's only my opinion. I personally will be hanging on to my TG01 for a little while yet, it does what I need the way I like it. I'll try Android and WP7 if they become available but i'm happy enough with 6.5.5 till then.
I hope this is of some help to you
gamerr120 said:
I was just wondering whether it is worth holding onto hope for the TG01, or should I upgrade to a WP7?!
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first of all wp7 eill be brought to hd2, then later it might get ported to our tishibas. i highly doubt so though, we have such a small communtiy, and there are lots of restrictions like multitouch. if we do get a working port, ir would be useless, alot of apps will not work on it.
gamerr120 said:
I was just wondering whether it is worth holding onto hope for the TG01, or should I upgrade to a WP7?!
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If I was you, I would rather hang on to TG01 as irrespective of bad publicity it got initially (thanks to winmo 6.1) it's an excellent piece of hardware and gadget to be proud of! I have used HD2 and I have used TG01, and looking at it's sleek display, thin frame, light weight -and same power beast within - I don't think there is any winmo 7 or android phone ready to beat it!
It looks promising as pointed here, that we might see android on TG01 - which will be the best thing to happen to this beast. But if we don't I don't see any drawbacks with Sense roms, SPB Shell and even 6.5.5 titanium for now. WM7 porting on TG01 by the looks of it, very unlikely but not impossible. It's a difficult job to do and it won't happen overnight. If you can be patient for few months or even more, you might see android and/or WM7 on your TG01.
But irrespective of OS, I think, the hardware capacity of this beast is awesome!
Cheers guys for all your help, I think I shall be holding onto my tg01 for a little bit longer, the upgrade to WP7 can wait, I think i'd prefer to see it on the TG01 anyway, rather than any other phone
thanks again!
You could also try toshdroid on it. It does not work fully yet but so far it looks very good and runs very nice. Have a look in the toshdroid forum for more info.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=846777
Some links to video of Toshdroid running.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w--i1ENqsBI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POJQtPClRsY
TG01 Rocks Guys
I am so happy with my toshi; even if there is no android or any wm7...!! With the SPB Shell upgrades and the Droid skins and the WM7 skin...you hardly need the actual OS, with this device I can change the UI whenever I want and everytime it becomes as good as using a new device...!! What more you want...!!
No other phone / tab in this display range can match TG01. It surely rocks..!!
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I am so happy with my toshi; even if there is no android or any wm7...!! With the SPB Shell upgrades and the Droid skins and the WM7 skin...you hardly need the actual OS, with this device I can change the UI whenever I want and everytime it becomes as good as using a new device...!! What more you want...!!
No other phone / tab in this display range can match TG01. It surely rocks..!!
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An excellent sentiment - and very well put
Sorry all, I am unhappy with my Toshiba TG01 phone.
True it is thin and it looks nice. But it is just not good enough for me.
The only reason why I am hanging on to it is the lack of WP7 phones available through Orange. I've been with them for a long while and Orange have been good for me.
My feelings with regards Android are out at the moment as I would much prefer to stick with windows mobile.
Come on Microsoft get your act together - bring WP7 as more of a competitor; bring SD Card swappable access in; and bring more WP7 phones available to all operators [especially via Orange ]
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Sorry all, I am unhappy with my Toshiba TG01 phone.
True it is thin and it looks nice. But it is just not good enough for me.
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Hi.
I do not understand You. You write it is not enough good but You do not mention
anything what You do not like. I can see only complains that there is no WP7.
Do You expect miracules having WP7 ?
Regards
fxdjacentyfxd
Found the buyer of the infamous WP7 TG01 recently sold on eBay
OK guys, this is just a shot in the dark, but I've just sent a message to the eBay buyer and invited him to join our forum. Not sure when he'll check his eBay messages or if he'll even bother to respond but it was worth a try.
Stay tuned...
Don't worry about WP7, we're working on it.
CrashMurdock said:
OK guys, this is just a shot in the dark, but I've just sent a message to the eBay buyer and invited him to join our forum. Not sure when he'll check his eBay messages or if he'll even bother to respond but it was worth a try.
Stay tuned...
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Nice try!
Of course you now that WP7 will never have a full functionality with the TG01 device. Because of the multi touch function witch miss in TG01!
I think Sense or Shell cover pretty well the User Interface and we will get no further functionality using WP7!
So my question is why everybody looks for WP7 or Android!
Rila said:
Nice try!
Of course you now that WP7 will never have a full functionality with the TG01 device. Because of the multi touch function witch miss in TG01!
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Thanks! I personally don't care about multi-touch on a screen this small. As a matter of fact I prefer using a stylus to not only keep the screen clean but also because it's more accurate with my big fingers, again for these small screens. I recently bought a used Viewsonic G-Tablet and the multi-touch is nice on its 10" screen.
Rila said:
I think Sense or Shell cover pretty well the User Interface and we will get no further functionality using WP7!
So my question is why everybody looks for WP7 or Android!
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I can tell you I'm very happy with fxdjacentyfxd's WM6.5 ROM. His support and tolerance for my newbie questions has been fantastic, to say the least! I really like WM 6.5 because I've previously been using a great XDA WM6.0 ROM on my HTC 8525 for almost three years.
So far I'm not very impressed with Android 2.3 on the G-Tablet, but I'm a total newbie to Android so need more tinkering time. The Vegan 7.0 custom ROM looks good and seems to be fairly fast, though.
I really haven't looked to see what WP7 is all about since it's not available for TG01. I can see where converting multi-touch to a single-touch resistive screen is probably a nightmare. Other than that, with its 1Ghz CPU I would think the TG01 should run it fine.
@aeroflyluby, I posted in this thread because I read through the WP7 forum again this morning and it appears nobody at XDA is working on WP7 for TG01. Of course, your subsequent post indicates otherwise. The TG01 is a great phone, other than the undersized battery (which I've solved with fxdjacentyfxd's help) and the infernal inaccurate battery meter. I don't know if WP7 or an Android port can fix that problem, but anything is worth a try.
Cheers, guys!
Wondering if MS said anything about their first gen of wp7 are guaranteed to get mango update? I dont recall that upgrade from 6.1 to 6.5 was rolled out to all of their past devices. To give MS justice though, the update took a lot of time and there could be devices more than 1 years old.
Another thing, how come i notice in singapore, mozart is less cheaper compared to trophy.. Whats the upside of throphy compared to mozart?
every windows phoine 7 wil get mango
Trophy is a cheaper phone.
My wife has one, and I a Mozart - the only real difference is the camera and single mold case.
Otherwise, the Mozart is a little smaller - but is much more expensive in Australia (60% more or so).
I kinda like the trophy though..
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every windows phoine 7 wil get mango
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i haven't heard MS confirm this - i'm HOPING it's true but i haven't seen anything official. Have you?
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i haven't heard MS confirm this - i'm HOPING it's true but i haven't seen anything official. Have you?
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Yes, in MIX11 they have stated that. Some hardware options embedded in the new hardware chassis won't be available in the 1 GEN of WP7 like gyroscope, but MS also stated they will develop some kind of emulator for this to the current devices. It wont be as good as the hardware ones, but it will work.
All current devices will get Mando for sure.
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Yes, in MIX11 they have stated that.
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That's good to hear - i followed the MIX11 updates specifically looking for this information and didn't hear them say it - have you got a link?
i know they said about the gyro but i didn't hear anything where they specifically said that all current devices would DEFINATELY be getting mango.
otech said:
Trophy is a cheaper phone.
My wife has one, and I a Mozart - the only real difference is the camera and single mold case.
Otherwise, the Mozart is a little smaller - but is much more expensive in Australia (60% more or so).
I kinda like the trophy though..
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in hong kong windows 7 phones are droping prices like mad, it's because there are no chinese language for the main menu, and the price for the mozart 7, some shops are selling them more than the HD7.
I don't have any link right now, but its "common sense" that all current devices will have the updates, MS stated that even before they launched WP7...
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I don't have any link right now, but its "common sense" that all current devices will have the updates, MS stated that even before they launched WP7...
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i know it's 'common sense' - but that doesn't mean anything
Because they've bumped the release number up to 7.5 - this is technically NOT an update but a new version - historically for MS this means no upgrades and until i see or hear one of them say that "current devices will get this as an update" i'm not going to hold my breath.
The OP was looking for someone with DEFINITE PROOF - not just speculating.
at which point do we STOP expecting updates? wp8? WP8.5? wp9? wp10?
In Thailand, the price drop from over 630 USD to 230 USD within 3 months.
WTF HCT marketing.
Even the price are low but no one want to buy its, cuz they don't guarantee mango for this device.
What do you think?
I don't have an official link, i have read on lots of websites that the current devices will have Mango update, and i support this.
On MIX11, they even stated that since hardware gyroscope probably isn't available on current devices, the Mango update will have an emulation mode for these devices.
Also, several hardware specs were added or improved, but not removed.
Microsoft is in this for the long run and they wan't the OS to be successful. I'm sure they will provide future updates to current devices as long as it will be a good experience on current devices. Updates for all devices was also a big spec announced for WP and even if this could be a different version in number, i don't think that would change anything, this is not computers and Windows usually have a minimum 2 year between major versions.
Although this is considered "the next major version of Windows Phone" it is also being treated like an update, and traditionally MS releases the updates for free.
I'm not sure on Windows 8 thought, but i believe that will come at the end of 2012
EDIT: So now that Mango was officially presented by Microsoft and announced as free to all current devices and being available on fall, do you believe me?
I am waiting for my htc hd2 to get mango, so far DFT NODO rom is working perfect.
Every wp7 phone
It is said that "Every existing WP7 phone in the market will get the Mango Update" and the update is in this coming Fall.
MS is now making WP7 just like iPhone iOS where every WP7 phones will get the update just like how NoDo Updates is......for every WP7 phone.
i told you lot before. jsut listen and stop doubting. This is not andoroid (howver not saying android is bad, as its not as a previous user). But I have a feeling mango and the update after that and possible the one after that will be compatiable, until they focus on dual core phones and optimizing them. As whats the point of have a dual core phone if the software only uses on core
Di Mariachi said:
In Thailand, the price drop from over 630 USD to 230 USD within 3 months.
WTF HCT marketing.
Even the price are low but no one want to buy its, cuz they don't guarantee mango for this device.
What do you think?
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this is a good one.
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I don't have an official link, i have read on lots of websites that the current devices will have Mango update, and i support this.
Microsoft is in this for the long run and they wan't the OS to be successful.
EDIT: So now that Mango was officially presented by Microsoft and announced as free to all current devices and being available on fall, do you believe me?
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are you working with M/s?
ecez said:
...are you working with M/s?
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No! Why do you ask?
WP7 devices will get the Mango update . i read this some where but should happen ...
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No! Why do you ask?
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juz ask, cos from the way U wrote made me wonder U worked in M/S.
isenthil said:
WP7 devices will get the Mango update . i read this some where but should happen ...
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yeah, shld happen . . . . .
still waiting, . . . . .
andoridkiller said:
every windows phoine 7 wil get mango
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i hope thats right
That have been confirmed several times now: ALL current WP7 devices will get the Mango update